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 sls177

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Posted: 10/25/2009 10:00:53 AM
It's nonsense to suggest that the vaccine cases in the US are being won, the Michelle Cedillo test case was thoroughly blown out of the water and to 4,800 other plaintiffs have been found to have no case; there is a federal fund for vaccine damage in the US and no autism claim has been paid out so far, although one child with a pre-existing mitochondrial disease and 'autism-like' symptoms has been paid out.

The symptoms of Mercury poisoning include loss of peripheral vision and tremors, these are not typical autistic behaviours, if your child is suffering from any of these symptoms I would suggest further investigation.

I have never heard anything to suggest that there is any difference in the vaccinations given to the general public and those given to government officials.

It's also worth pointing out that countries where thimerosal hasn't been used in vaccines for years -such as Canada and Denmark - have similar incidence of autism (and rising cases of autism) as the UK and Japan, which hasn't used the MMR since 1993 also has rising cases of autism.
 catseyeslinda

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Posted: 10/25/2009 12:35:54 PM
Researchers present evidence of mercury’s effect on brain neurons

http://www.fp.ucalgary.ca/unicomm/Gazette/April4-01/mercury.htm

A University of Calgary Faculty of Medicine research team has found that exposure to mercury causes degeneration of brain neurons in animals.

The scientific findings are being published in a cover story in the April edition of the British journal NeuroReport. The researchers’ academic paper is supported by a time-lapse video recorded from a microscope camera showing how neurons degenerate when they are exposed to mercury.

"Our study illustrates how mercury ions alter the cell membrane structure of developing neurons," says Fritz Lorscheider, physiology and biophysics. "This discovery provides visual evidence of our previous findings that mercury produces a molecular lesion in the brain."

The research paper, co-authored by Lorscheider and U of C professor Naweed Syed as well as medical student Christopher Leong, looks at brain neurons from snails. The researchers added mercury ions to cell cultures of developing neurons and observed the neurons undergoing rapid degeneration. Nerve processes in snails and other animals, specifically the microtubules in neurons, are similar to those of humans.

The team has identified how this degeneration takes place:

• mercury ions attach to a neuron, causing its microtubules to disassemble or break down and, ultimately, leave that neuron stripped of

• its protective membrane

• some of these stripped neurons then form aggregates

• these aggregates are damaged neurons that are clumped or tangled together

• the damaged neurons cease to function as healthy neurons would

Other metals – aluminum, lead, cadmium and manganese – did not produce this type of degeneration.

"Mercury has long been known to be a potent neurotoxic substance, whether it is inhaled as vapour or consumed in the diet as a food contaminant," says Lorscheider. "This research provides visual confirmation of that."

Medical research laboratories, over the past 15 years, have established that dental amalgam tooth fillings are a major contributor to mercury body burden. In 1997 research done by Lorscheider and colleagues at the universities of Calgary and Kentucky demonstrated that mercury vapour inhalation in rats produced a molecular lesion in the brain - similar to a lesion seen in 80% of human Alzheimer-diseased brains.



Video support for researcher’s findings

Peer-reviewed animation?

When U of C professors Fritz Lorscheider and Naweed Syed co-authored their research paper on the effects of mercury on neurons, one of the most compelling proofs they had was a five-minute video that showed those effects.

The video combined state-of-the art animation and time-lapse videography to irrefutably demonstrate their findings.

The video, created by the Advanced Media for Learning group from the Learning Commons, used the same animation software used in Hollywood films such as The Matrix.

"Dr. Lorscheider called and asked us to put together the animation to help explain mercury’s effect," says Dave Rittenhouse. "We just filled in the blanks."

However, the video was more than just a prop to gather media attention. When Lorscheider submitted the paper to the British journal NeuroReport, which eventually published it, he added the video as an accompanying document, making it the first time that a piece of animation was subjected to the peer-review process, as far as Rittenhouse knows.

Rittenhouse foresees the animation technology being more useful for researchers.
 Matthew__Angel

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Posted: 10/25/2009 4:17:05 PM
The ingredient "Thermisol" is used in vaccinations to preserve the quality of the shot and is mercury based. It is this ingredient, which is present in almost every type of vaccination, that has people asking if vaccinations cause Autism. Many studies have said it does not.

You can also find vaccinations that are Thermisol free including the one shot h1n1 vaccine. Keep in mind that vaccines are injected into chicken eggs for incubation/growth of the actual virus and the virus is then cut into pieces. Anyone allergic to egg may want to mention that to their doctor.
 catseyeslinda

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Posted: 10/26/2009 1:34:37 AM
my son was diagnosed with an egg alergy after the fact . your not supposed to give young babys eggs . he also had ezema was on steroid creams . mercury is not a safe substance . history has taught us that have you seen wat it does to a nuron . a baby learns to wave a nuron joins a baby points a nuron joins it keeps going on and on . baby walks nuron conects again . regressive autistic children are however loseing skills how can the be what is affecting the nurons in the brain that they are loseing skills .. mercury the most toxic substance nown to man is injected in them from birth . it was never tested for safety on little babys look up history see when mercury was added to vaccines . 3 yrs later the first cases of autism . and as they put the vaccine s up more kids are affected . then more then more . mercury has plauged history with neurological problems . look at mercury poisen look at autism there one and the same condition . now howcome when a child is treated they start to show signs of recovery . yes all kids matture change . im talking here less autistic behaviour . teething powder had mercury in it in the 1940 wat did it do it killed babys it also gave others pink disease ( that was the name given to the neourological condition as well . but my goodness it was so like autism look up minamata disaster omg wat eating fish that were exposed to mercury there did those who survived had minamatta disease but same symptoms as autism . you ever herd of mad hatters disease . again mercury was in the thread that the hatters used . they developed neurological problems .now over time our imune systems have got weaker . more ashma in kids more ezema . this shows pollution foods loads things are insulting our imune systems. now if young babys imune systems are comprimiosed with alergys wat will a toxin like mercury do ... look at history .the vaccine program needs to change . sis 77 how could i no your son had ezema how coul;d i no he was either on steroids or antibiotics . i asked the question because thousands of kids have same link . i new the mmr was not a cause in your sons case as he showed earlyer signs of autism . you have told me your son waved goodbuy then lost the skill then got it back when he was older . very unlikely he had autism if he waved . he just wouldnt have been intrested enouth in people . i think his autism affected him young after 9 mnths though . mercury is used so the vaccine has a longer shelf life . money again lose the mercury keep kids safe and wat do you think of sodium borat being given to kids .. rat poisen
 catseyeslinda

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Rates of autism have skyrocketed 1000% since 1990, yet defenders of vaccines and the pharmaceutical industry keep scratching their heads in confusion: What could be causing this? Lots of clues point to vaccines as one of the primary contributing factors to increased rates of autism.

In this article, we present supporting quotes from some of the industry’s top authors who write about the possible links between autism and vaccines. Enjoy this collection of research.
Autism and vaccines

There is also a strong connection between all forms of vaccinations and autism. A U.S. study found that children who received vaccines containing a preservative called thimerosal, which is almost 50 percent mercury, were more than twice as likely to develop autism than children who did not. Although mercury has been removed from regular childhood vaccines due to growing safety worries, it is still present in other vaccines children might get.
- Toxic Overload: A Doctor’s Plan for Combating the Illnesses Caused by Chemicals in Our Foods, Our Homes, and Our Medicine Cabinets by Dr. Paula Baillie-Hamilton

Every year more and more children are being diagnosed with learning disabilities and autism. What is the cause? According to many experts, including Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., a senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council and author of Deadly Immunity, our government is to blame. There’s growing evidence that shows that a drug called thimerosal is to blame. This drug is found in vaccines. The fact is the more vaccines kids get, the more autism, learning disabilities, and lifelong illness develops. The drug thimerosal is a preservative that was put in vaccines back in the 1930s.
- More Natural Cures Revealed: Previously Censored Brand Name Products That Cure Disease by Kevin Trudeau

Autism is a catastrophic epidemic with an increase of 1,500% in the UK in the last decade. In California one in 150 children is autistic – a 54% increase in just 2001/2! The primary causes of autism known to come from vaccines, maternal overexposure to heavy metals and antibiotics, heavy metals from industry pollution of the air and water, and the chemicals used in the electronics industry. Significantly, the first cases of autism were described in the US shortly after the vaccines for whooping cough were introduced in the 1940s.
- Dispatches From the War Zone of Environmental Health by Helke Ferrie

Could the number of vaccines now recommended actually be contributing to the rise in children’s chronic diseases like asthma, allergies, autism, autoimmune disease, diabetes, obesity, some cancers, and the growing epidemic of developmental disorders? Remember, in just twenty-four years, we’ve gone from fewer than ten vaccines to fifty vaccines, and there are more on the way. As the childhood health crisis worsens, more and more parents, and physicians, are starting to question the effect these vaccines might be having on our children’s developing immune systems.
- Growing Up Green: Baby and Child Care: Volume 2 in the Bestselling Green This! Series (Green This!) by Deirdre Imus

Mercury toxicity is a suspected cause of a steep rise – a tenfold increase between 1984 and 1994 – in diagnosed cases of autism in children around the world, according to some scientists. Specifically, the culprit is thimerosal, a mercury-based compound used as a preservative in vaccines commonly administered to babies and infants. Thimerosal-free vaccines are available. If you have a child who will be receiving vaccinations, ask for and make sure thimerosal-free vaccines are used.
- Prescription for Dietary Wellness: Using Foods to Heal by Phyllis A. Balch, CNC

The first reported case of autism occurred after thimerosal, a preservative for immunizations, was added to vaccines. Since then, the incidence of autism has increased at an alarming rate. Thimerosal is not a necessary additive and is toxic to the human body, yet it has been used for years. And although thimerosal has been phased out of childhood vaccines, the vast majority of flu shots given to children and adults still contain it, and it is believed that many pediatricians are still using unexpired vials of thimerosal-containing vaccines.
- Super Health 7 Golden Keys to Unlock Lifelong Vitality by KC Craichy

Is it mere coincidence that rates of autism increased when the Center for Disease Control inserted additions to the recommended vaccination program for infants in 1988? In the 1980s, autism rates were estimated at only six in 10,000 children. Today one in 150 children is autistic, though in some areas autism affects closer to one in 50 children. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has acknowledged that thimerosal can be a neurotoxin (knowing very well that mercury is a neurotoxin), and in 2004 stated that thimerosal-containing vaccines were associated with autism.
- Timeless Secrets of Health & Rejuvenation: Unleash The Natural Healing Power That Lies Dormant Within You by Andreas Moritz

Nonetheless there continues to be lively debate about environmental roots of autism, which may have nothing to do with genetics. When California researchers, for example, studied the association between autism and environmental pollution in the San Francisco Bay area, they discovered a potential connection between ambient metal concentrations, and possibly chlorinated solvents, and an increased risk for autism. A lot of controversy has also emerged concerning the mercury preservative called thimerosol used in vaccines, as some believe it can cause autism.
- The Detox Strategy: Vibrant Health in 5 Easy Steps by Brenda Watson and Leonard Smith

The mercury in the vaccines causes autism, brain damage, and disease. The vaccines themselves cause the body to be in an unnatural state and set you up for major disease. In the Natural Cures book I give you several other books that I recommend to discuss vaccines. They are: A Shot in the Dark, by Harris L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher; Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective?, by Neil Z. Miller; and What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children’s Vaccinations, by Stephanie Cave, M.D., F.A.A.F.P., with Deborah Mitchell.
- More Natural Cures Revealed: Previously Censored Brand Name Products That Cure Disease by Kevin Trudeau

New evidence is constantly being uncovered and autism rates continue to rise. In October 2004, US pediatrician Dr F. Edward Yazbak provided another interpretation of the large overseas studies on which the vaccines’ safety profile was based. He said the definitive Danish study of more than 500,000 children born between 1991 and 1998 could not rule out a link between MMR and autism because many children went on to get autism after the trial had been concluded. ‘The most important age group to look at comprises children aged from five to nine,’ he said. ‘The number with autism increased from 8.
- Big Pharma: Exposing the Global Healthcare Agenda by Jacky Law

The connection between vaccinations and autism may be mercury poisoning. Thimerosal, a preservative used in many vaccines, contains about 50% mercury. The increases in the occurrence of autism are closely linked to the widespread use of thimerosal-containing vaccines. Mercury is well-documented as a cause of nervous system deterioration, decline in mental function, and learning problems. Certain symptoms of mercury poisoning are similar to autism, particularly defects in coordination and motor skills, visual disturbances, and immune suppression.
- Alternative Medicine the Definitive Guide, Second Edition by Larry Trivieri, Jr.

Increased research dollars are spent on developing new vaccines, but little has been done to investigate the possible connection between vaccines and developmental problems (as in the possible connection between the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and autism). The possible side effects of immunization, including rashes, fever, diarrhea, autism, and even death, have been considered to be minimal when compared to the benefits.
- Alternative Medicine the Definitive Guide, Second Edition by Larry Trivieri, Jr.

It was determined that there was a close correlation between mercury doses from thimerosal – containing childhood vaccines and the prevalence of autism from the late 1980s through the mid-1990s. In contrast, there was a potential correlation between the number of primary pediatric measles-containing vaccines administered and the prevalence of autism during the 1980s.
- The Food-Mood Connection: Nutrition-based and Environmental Approaches to Mental Health and Physical Wellbeing by Gary Null and Amy McDonald

Orthodox medical opinion claims autism is caused by genetic defect, but many people have been looking at the possibility that vaccines are at the root of autism. Specifically, the concern centers around thimerosol, a mercury-based preservative that was used in several childhood vaccines until 1999, at which time thimerosol was removed or greatly reduced. An estimated 80 percent of children show significant improvement after detoxification of poisonous heavy metals from their system.
- The Food-Mood Connection: Nutrition-based and Environmental Approaches to Mental Health and Physical Wellbeing by Gary Null and Amy McDonald

In 2000, the US Congress passed the Children’s Health Act, mandating its main research agency, the National Institutes of Health, to fund five centres of excellence into autism research. ‘Here was an unprecedented political commitment to expand, intensify, and coordinate research into autism and services for children living with autism,’ says Richard Horton, in his book MMR: Science and Fiction – Exploring a Vaccine Crisis. Or the government could have anticipated a steep rise in demand for individual vaccines, particularly against mumps.
- Big Pharma: Exposing the Global Healthcare Agenda by Jacky Law

In conclusion, it seems that a number of chemical factors play a role in triggering the onset of autism. In the case of MMR-triggered autism, the virus in this vaccine could be the final straw, triggering autism in a child who has already been damaged by previous exposure to chemicals from vaccines and the environment. Major improvements can be made. They center around a detox program, a good rounded supplement program, and a diet low in gluten and dairy foods.
- Toxic Overload: A Doctor’s Plan for Combating the Illnesses Caused by Chemicals in Our Foods, Our Homes, and Our Medicine Cabinets by Dr. Paula Baillie-Hamilton

Since the 1990s, there has been a tenfold or 1000-percent increase in autism, an increase which has been linked by some researchers to the organic mercury preservative commonly found in baby vaccines. A greatly increased incidence of juvenile diabetes has been correlated to specific vaccination sequences and to the number of vaccines given.
- The Natural Way to Heal: 65 Ways to Create Superior Health by Walter Last

We must ask: why were faulty tires quickly recalled when they were dangerous while infant vaccines are not when there are so many claims they appear to cause autism and brain damage? If they are safe, use them. If they are not, stop using them. And if there is serious doubt about their safety, err on the side of caution. We should not allow the present autism epidemic to continue. The bottom line is: Decisions by federal or state agencies for either vaccines or the use of drugs such as Ritalin® should be recommended and suggested but not compulsory or mandatory.
- Our Toxic World: A Wake Up Call by Doris J. Rapp, M.D.

The use of the mercury-based thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines has been associated with autism. Despite the evidence, mercury is still being added to vaccines at completely unsafe levels considering the fact that it is a known neurotoxin. A recent study conducted by the University of Calgary showed that mercury ions alter the cell-membrane of developing neurons in babies and young children, directly contributing to autism.
- Timeless Secrets of Health & Rejuvenation: Unleash The Natural Healing Power That Lies Dormant Within You by Andreas Moritz

Studies have shown that the poisons in vaccinations are a major cause of learning disabilities, autism and mental retardation in children. Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy by David Kirby is one of several books exposing this danger. The drug companies even lobbied to get a rider attached to the Homeland Security Bill that prevents people from suing them for the damage done by vaccinations!
- The Live Food Factor: The Comprehensive Guide to the Ultimate Diet for Body, Mind, Spirit & Planet by Susan E. Schenck

Vaccines cause autism: Supporting evidence 230909banner1

According to a U.S. government survey just published, rates of autism in children have doubled since 2003. Today, an estimated 1 in 91 children are being diagnosed with autism, making this the highest rate in any population in the history of human civilization. Meanwhile, the vaccination push in America continues, specifically targeting children with not just seasonal flu vaccines (which may contain thimerosal), but also the H1N1 swine flu vaccine.

It all begs the question: Is there a link between vaccines and autism?

In defending vaccines, many doctors have blamed autism on a genetic cause. But if it’s genetic, why are rates skyrocketing so quickly? The gene pool obviously isn’t changing that dramatically. There’s no such thing as a “genetic epidemic.” If genes caused autism, the rate of autism diagnosis should be holding steady year after year. Clearly, something else is at work, causing the sharp increase in autism.

Autism is a neurological disorder. If you’re looking for the cause of autism, it only makes sense to look at causes involving environmental factors that expose children to chemicals linked to neurological disorders. Vaccines immediately come to mind, not only because they contain thimerosal — a preservative made with methyl mercury that’s extremely toxic to the nervous system — but also because they contain chemical adjuvants like squalene, which directly cause inflammation of the nervous system.

So what happens when a nutrient-deficient child is exposed to more than one hundred vaccines injected with thimerosal, squalene and other chemicals? It’s not unreasonable to suspect that vaccines — which inject these chemicals directly into the body — might be one of the more obvious causes.

The pharmaceutical industry (which thrives on vaccines) claims there is absolutely no link between vaccines and autism. Well of course they do! The entire future of pharmaceutical profit-making depends on the continued propagandizing of the myth that chemical intervention improves human health. They’re no more likely to find fault with their own vaccines than a cigarette company is to admit cigarettes cause cancer.

“Asking the pharmaceutical industry to investigate the safety of vaccines is like asking Big Tobacco to investigate the safety of cigarettes.

What’s clear is that rates have autism have paralleled the rise in children’s vaccines. Each year we get more vaccines pushed onto children, and each year we see increases in autism. Given that many vaccines contain a neurotoxic heavy metal (mercury) and neurotoxic adjuvants, it only seems reasonable to start looking at vaccines as one of the important contributing factors (if not the main cause) of autism.
Other factors for autism

There are likely other factors involved, and their danger potentially gets multiplied in the presence of methyl mercury from vaccines. Monosodium glutamate (MSG), for example, is a neurotoxin, too, and kids today are eating more and more foods laced with MSG as flavor enhancers. (It’s found in canned soups, gravy mixes, salad dressings, snack dips, and virtually all “instant” microwaveable meals.) Look for “yeast extract” on food labels: It’s a covert source of MSG that manufacturers use to avoid having to place “MSG” on the ingredients label.

There’s also aspartame and diet sodas. Aspartame is a potent neurotoxin that could be making the nervous system especially vulnerable to damage from vaccines. Beyond chemical food ingredients, the human nervous system can also be compromised by pain drugs administered during childbirth, antidepressant drugs or diabetes drugs given to expectant mothers, or even the highly toxic chemicals commonly found in “baby care” products used in hospitals around the world.

Even before they’re born, most first-world babies are exposed to a toxic stew of synthetic chemicals. The chemical invasion of a vaccine injection might be the one final blow that sends the nervous system in a downward spiral of destruction.

The facts cannot be denied: Our children are being neurologically poisoned by chemicals, and vaccines are one of the most worrisome sources of chemical suspects. In my opinion, any parent subjecting their child to vaccines today is directly putting their child in harm’s way. They are risking their child’s life in order to comply with a highly unethical, profit-focused vaccine push that has but one objective: To sell more dangerous pharmaceutical chemicals to children who don’t need them.

There will be a day in the future, I’m sure, when injecting a child with a neurotic chemical will be considered a felony crime, punishable by years in prison. Until that day comes, this same criminal act is innocuously called “administering a vaccine.”
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-Dexter Morgan .................... we need to look at the evidence and protect our children our granchildren look at the date mercury was added to vaccines then look at the new childhood condition found a few yrs later they up the dose we will get more autistic kids Autism: A Medical Mystery?
By Neil Z. Miller
http://www.thinktwice.com/xpeditions/autism.htm
In 1943 the well known child psychiatrist, Leo Kanner, announced his discovery of eleven cases of a new mental disorder. He noted that "the condition differs markedly and uniquely from anything reported so far..."(1) This condition soon became known as autism.

What is autism?
Autism (alternately referred to as autistic disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder) is a complex developmental disability a neurological derangement that affects the functioning of the brain. This condition usually appears during the first three years of life, and often strikes following an early childhood of apparently normal development. Mental and social regression is not uncommon. Although the severity of the affliction varies from child to child, the following symptoms are typical: inadequate verbal and social skills, impaired speech, repetition of words, bizarre or repetitive behavior patterns, uncontrollable head-banging; screaming fits, arm flapping, little or no interest in human contact, unresponsiveness to
parents and other people, extreme resistance to minor changes in the home environment, self-destructive behavior, hypersensitivity to sensory stimuli, and an inability to care for oneself.(2-4)

What causes autism?
When the first cases of autism began to appear in the 1940s, researchers were puzzled by the high incidence of autistic children being born look again at the dates my god there destroying our kids brains . someone has to stand up to these people . it was added 1940 mercury a brand new condition never seen b4 surfaces in 1943 .. its happeninmg on a bigger scale as they up the vaccines . .. put this in your browser mercury poisen and autism look at the symtoms . who are they trying to fool there the same .. maybe your not that intrested in the vaccine debate but everyone needs to look up the evidence why it could hit your mother father granchild your kids look at the increase in dementia and alshmizers and adult brain reacts diffrent to a baby
 Matthew__Angel

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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:42:35 AM
OMG people, did I not just tell you that vaccinations are available WITHOUT mercury..... Geesh, sounds like fear mongering is more important to you than your childrens health.

What do you tell all the parents who decided not to vaccinate their children and the children became Autistic anyway ? Were they spoon feeding them mercury at home ?

My son got all of his shots with mercury. He is fine.

First study the fact that non vaccinated children deleope autism and the get back to me
 carterscutie85

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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:45:44 AM
^^

I didn't read the whole thread so I didn't see your post about the vaccinations being available without mercury. If there is such controversey surrounding the shots with mercury, why aren't all doctors just using the ones without?
 Matthew__Angel

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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:52:13 AM
Because they have been proven safe
 hooked_and_happy

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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:52:14 AM

My son got all of his shots with mercury. He is fine.

My kids too. As well as my neices and nephews, and they are all fine.

From what I've been told, out of approximatly 350 kids that go to my kids school, only 6 kids have autism. Considering that kids had to have all thier immunizations to go to that school, I'd say those are pretty good odds for taking the vaccines.

If vaccines are THAT dangerous, then why don't all kids have autism?
 Matthew__Angel

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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:54:16 AM
And because without a perservative you would not be able to stock a vaccine, you would have to order and wait your turn
 catseyeslinda

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Posted: 10/26/2009 7:36:58 AM
mathew have you not seen the studies of the amish none vaccinated children no amish children have autism . and again the mercury wasnt removed they lowered the amount so as not to have it show as in there cheque it out yourself unvaccinated amish kids there is no autism No Autism in Unvaccinated Amish Community
The Dangers of Thimerosal

Dan Olmstead, Autism's****Tracy

By EVELYN PRINGLE

According to officials in the nation's regulatory agencies, the main obstacle to proving or disproving a link between the autism epidemic and the mercury-based preservative, thimerosal, that was contained in childhood vaccines until a few years ago, and is still in flu vaccines, has been the inability to find a large enough group of people who have never been vaccinated to compare with people who have.

In fact, a few months ago, CDC officials claimed that such a study would be nearly impossible. On July 19, 2005, the CDC held a Media Briefing on the topic of vaccines and child health. On the issue of government research on autism, a reporter asked CDC Director, Dr Julie Gerberding: "are you putting any money into clinical studies rather than epidemiological studies, to verify or disprove the parents' claim about a particular channel, a particular mechanism by which a minority of genetically suspectable kids are supposed damaged?"

Gerberding replied: To do the study that you're suggesting, looking for an association between thimerosal and autism in a prospective sense is just about impossible to do right now because we don't have those vaccines in use in this country so we're not in a position where we can compare the children who have received them directly to the children who don't.

Dr Duane Alexander, of the National Institute of Health, agreed and said: It's really not possible ... in this country to do a prospective study now of thimerosal and vaccines in relationship to autism. Only a retrospective study which would be very difficult to do under the circumstances could be mounted with regard to the thimerosal question.

However, Dan Olmsted, investigative reporter for United Press International, and author of the Age of Autism series of reports, appears to have solved this problem when he came up with the idea of checking out the nation's Amish population where parents do not ordinarily vaccinate children.

First he looked to the Amish community in Pennsylvania and found a family doctor in Lancaster who had treated thousands of Amish patients over a quarter-century who said he has never seen an Amish person with autism, according to Age of Autism: A glimpse of the Amish on June 2, 2005.

Olmsted also interviewed****Warner, who has a water purification and natural health business and has been in Amish households all over the country. "I've been working with Amish people since 1980," Warner said.

"I have never seen an autistic Amish child -- not one," he told Olmsted. "I would know it. I have a strong medical background. I know what autistic people are like. I have friends who have autistic children," he added.

Olmsted did find one Amish woman in Lancaster County with an autistic child but as it turns out, the child was adopted from China and had been vaccinated. The woman knew of two other autistic children but here again, one of those had been vaccinated.

Next Olmsted visited a medical practice in Middleburg, Indiana, the heart of the Amish community, and asked whether the clinic treated Amish people with autism.

A staff member told Olmsted that she had never thought about it before, but in the five years that she had worked at the clinic she had never seen one autistic Amish.

On June 8, 2005, Olmsted reported on the autism rate in the Amish community around Middlefield, Ohio, which was 1 in 15,000, according to Dr Heng Wang, the medical director, at the DDC Clinic for Special Needs Children.

"So far," according to Age of Autism, "there is evidence of fewer than 10 Amish with autism; there should be several hundred if the disorder occurs among them at the same 166-1 prevalence as children born in the rest of the population."

In addition to the Amish, Olmsted recently discovered another large unvaccinated group. On December 7, 2005, Age of Autism reported that thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with Amish children, they have never been vaccinated and they don't have autism.

Homefirst has five offices in the Chicago area and a total of six doctors. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973.

Olmsted reports that the autism rate in Illinois public schools is 38 per 10,000, according to state Education Department data. In treating a population of 30,000 to 35,000 children, this would logically mean that Homefirst should have seen at least 120 autistic children over the years but the clinic has seen none.

It looks like the problem is finally solved. Thanks to autism's****Tracy, the government now has thousands of unvaccinated people to compare to people who were vaccinated.


why does every child not get autism . just be glad that your kids didnt have alergys . my son has the women who posted earlyers son if you look had childhood ezema to , i no a child who regressed at 6 yrs old lost all speach . dont just listen to wat your told cheque it out yourself . now was he born with it i think not . yes there are ones avalable without mercury there has been for yrs but thats for the politions children and granchildren . im only wanting the vaccines safe and to stop given useless ones .. Im sorry you feel this is a terror alert . it is not why wait till most kids have autism to act .. dont wait till it happens to your child grandchild look now ,my grandaughter has had sellected vaccines now 17 mnths as bright as a button . my son was exclusively breast feed my family only eat organic our diet is perfect . again life style wasnt an isue as the other lady says as well her child was breast feed
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Amish sample way too small. You don't decrease mercury, its there or its not. You people should have worked for the Bush administration!

Raise the terror alert.

Listen, dont vaccinate YOUR children, just cross your fingers that they dont die from one of the many things that the vaccines protect them from
 Matthew__Angel

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Oh and BTW, the amish lifestyle could be the reason.... Please compare apples to apples, otherwise you may as well ask your pie in the sky for the answers
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mathew angel so what would you do if you broke a thermomètre would you then go on to touch the mercury in it . or would you like science states not inhale and make sure you take care cleaning it up . you would take care yes for sake of your health . ok would you give even the smallest amount of mercury to a baby to eat or sodium borat.. no as you no its poisen we are allowing them to inject it in our kids here is wat it does to primate. but alas its safe for babys A new study in the leading scientific journal NeuroToxicology lends further credence to parents and scientists concerned about an increasingly aggressive childhood vaccine schedule and toxic vaccine components. A team led by researchers at the University of Pittsburgh found that infant macaque monkeys receiving a single Hepatitis B vaccine containing the mercury-based preservative thimerosal underwent significant delays in developing critical reflexes controlled by the brainstem. The infant macaques that did not receive vaccines developed normally.

Government vaccine guidelines were expanded in 1991 to include a Hepatitis B vaccine for infants within the first few days of life, even though the disease is primarily transmitted sexually or spread through the use of dirty needles. The introduction of the shot was part of a greatly accelerated vaccine schedule that coincides with the drastic increase in autism, which now affects one in 100 American children. Thimerosal was removed from U.S. Hepatitis B vaccines in 2000 but was not recalled from the market and was administered for approximately two more years. It still remains in other vaccines including all multi-dose shots for both the seasonal flu and H1N1.

Current government recommendations for seasonal flu and H1N1 call for pregnant women to receive both vaccines, and children as young as six months to receive as many as four separate flu shots. "This also doesn't take into account that nursing infants may be exposed to additional mercury through breastmilk should both mother and baby be vaccinated," says National Autism Association (NAA) board chair Lori McIlwain. "This study's outcome confirms that such an over-the-top toxic vaccine schedule is an assault on the developing brains of our children."

Specifically, the study found:

-- Thirteen newborn rhesus macaques were given a Hepatitis B vaccine containing a standardized dose of thimerosal adjusted for their weight, four received a saline placebo, and three were not given any shots.

-- Vaccinated animals experienced a significant delay in the acquisition of three survival reflexes compared to unvaccinated animals. Root, snout, and suck reflexes, critical to animal survival in the wild, were delayed in the vaccinated macaques.

-- These reflexes are controlled by the brainstem, a vital part of the brain that regulates automatic functions such as breathing, heart rate, and intestinal activity.v -- Neonatal responses in unvaccinated control animals were not delayed.

-- The delay in acquisition of three of the four survival reflexes was not contingent on birth weight or gestational age.

For years, parents of children with autism have lobbied government health agencies to conduct research comparing the health of vaccinated children to that of unvaccinated children, and to remove thimerosal from all vaccines. Neither request has been met.

"This study underscores the lack of appropriate government action to ensure the safety of vaccines. Had our government agencies conducted the most basic research on the implications to children's health from the vaccines they rigorously promote, they could have spared thousands of children the neurological injuries they endure today," said Ms. McIlwain. "It's shameful."

Source: National Autism Association in responce to the post below hunny my sons brain is no diffrent from anyone elses he developed normal . i have 100% prof now ive detoxed my son of heavy metals hes well now and science has not found a genitic link to autism its looked and looked . i have all the studies . my god you need to see my loft folders on folders my son was ill , thanks to a man who dedicated his life to autism reaserch professer bernard rimland i have a very well boy .who laughs and plays .
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http://books.google.com/books?id=r6z7CT5v8L4C&pg=PA473&lpg=PA473&dq=Nancy+J.+Minshew,+MD.+brain+studies&source=bl&ots=vK475TpzpW&sig=vuSnlusZ6TDaBNHV5sMyefGeaEE&hl=en&ei=yuDlSpznGse2lAe6-8DoCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Nancy%20J.%20Minshew%2C%20MD.%20brain%20studies&f=false
Handbook of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorders
Nancy J. Minshew, MD., an internationally recognized expert in autism. Dr. Minshew is working with a team of scientists from the University of Pittsburgh, Drs. Mark Strauss, Jana Iverson and Bernie Devlin; Carnegie Mellon University Drs. Marcel Just, Kevin Pelphrey, Marlene Behrmann and Tom Mitchell; and Duquesne University Dr. Diane Williams, to search for the cognitive, neurological and genetic basis of autism.

Read the book. Google her and her studies. Email there. Talk to them. These studies are not bs. They are very real and show the differences in the development of the brain. There IS NOTHING WRONG with their brains, they just develop differently and as such there are things you can do to assist them in "our" society/world.

Einstein didn't have any immunizations.
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CATSEYESLINDA: Put down you George Bush handbook "how to fear monger" and step outside and get some fresh air to make you think.

Stop crying and just cross your finger and hope your kids don't get H1N1 or all the other things.

I have said TWICE that non mercury versions are available for vaccines and yet you are having too much fun raising the terror alert to READ what I wrote.

Enough with your one sided fear mongering books. THE VERDICT is in and Autism is not created by vaccinations. Wake up already LOL, geesh.
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In the US thimerosal has been phased out of - or reduced to trace amounts in -childhood vaccines other than the flu vaccine and autism cases continue to rise steadily.

In Canada and Denmark, countries which do not use thimerosal, autism rates continue to rise steadily.

A study on Denmark autism rates is available here;

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/112/3/604

It concludes that "The discontinuation of thimerosal-containing vaccines in Denmark in 1992 was followed by an increase in the incidence of autism. Our ecological data do not support a correlation between thimerosal-containing vaccines and the incidence of autism."

There's no evidence to support the claim that the Amish do not vaccinate their children and in fact, pediatrician Dr Kevin Strauss has stated “The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue ... we run a weekly vaccination clinic and it’s very busy.”

Dr Strauss also authored a study describing nine Amish children with a seizure disorder and autistic behaviours, which is available here;

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/Seizures/2954

The most interesting part of the article for me is this;

"The children generally had good language comprehension and eight of the nine had age-appropriate cognitive and social development before the onset of seizures."

In other words, the children regressed.
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SLS117... finally someone with something to say that isn't just a copy paste from the book of fear mongering.
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I hope my child is not sitting next to any unvaccinated kids in school and I'm thankful that the daycares and school require blue cards to attend. If you have ever had anyone struck with any of the things they vaccinate for you might see that without vaccines the human race would be pitiful. My great grandfather contracted a severe form polio as an infant. Was never suppose to live past infancy, but did. Grew up to become a huge part of the Space Program. Passed away my senior year of high school (1997) To see how debilitating the virus was on him and his body was awful. To not vaccinate your children you are setting back human civilization 100 years. JMO...
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Safe Minds Analysis of Denmark Data Finds Dramatic Drop in Autism Rates After Thimerosal Removal from Vaccines. Flaws in Study Appearing in JAMA Invalidates Its Conclusions. Role of thimerosal in autism substantiated.
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ATLANTA, Oct. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- A newly released analysis of autism registry data from Denmark by Safe Minds, a non-profit autism organization, shows that the rate of autism declined from an incidence of 1 in 500 prior to 1992 to 1 in 1,500 today. This decline in the incidence of autism follows the removal of thimerosal from infant vaccines in that country in 1992. The analysis also uncovered a flaw in the methodology of Danish investigators publishing in the October issue of JAMA (Hviid et al), who utilized the same Danish registry data and concluded that autism rates in ...
(for the above post im copeing things that are fact from my folders . the bush family funny you mention them his granfather was on the board of the vaccine companys )VACCINE INGREDIENTS - pus and sores of diseased animals. 91
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Concerned and Angry
I am very concerned about what is happening and what is being planned regarding our health, particularly this so called Swine Flu Vaccine. For one I have done my homework and I have discovered many things, I don't believe a lot of the public knows about. But they should and this is why I'm writing this hub. It all kind of started a few months back when I did some research on the Swine Flu and it's vaccines.

I had no idea the vaccines my government mandated that my child gets contains the following: Trimerisol (Mercury) and aluminum,formaldehyde, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, thimerosal, distillation of coal tar, vesicle fluid from calf skins, chick embryonic fluid, polyribosylribitol, phosphate, yeast, and chemically defined yeast-based medium, rabies virus, continuous line of monkey kidney cells including phenol red rhesus monkey fetal lung cells, rhesus monkey fetal diploid cells , bovine fetal serum, thimerosal mouse serum proteins, guinea pig embryo cells, fecal matter, urine, and macerated cancer cells, and yes pus and sores of diseased animals. The list of ingredients are so long I only included a handful of these ingredients in my list. To see the complete list go to INFORMED CHOICE. http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

I really wish I would of educated myself before I had my kid's vaccinated,...If I knew then,..What I know now,... I would of said NO !!! I am not suggesting to anyone they should refuse the vaccinations for their children. I would suggest however,..Really educate yourself, So you can
make a informed decision,..That best suit's your child. Now that I know I will file for an exempt on the rest of my children's vaccines.

I also have come to learned some other very frightening facts regarding vaccine's. The ingredient trimerisol also known as mercury was was made in April of 1930 by a company called Eli Lilly. Trimerisol it is an adjuvant, an adjuvant it increases the effectiveness of the virus or bacteria in the vaccination. Eli Lilly published a series of experiments on the trimerisol product and claimed the trimerisol which is 50% toxic mercury by weight is completely safe. However fact is they injected this into 22 people with spinal meningitis all died immediately. What's even more frightening other than being lied to about it, is who is involved with Eli Lilly.

Prescott Bush the grandfather of President George W. Bush a Wall Street Executive Banker, was sat on the board of the vaccine manufacturer Eli Lilly. In 1977 George H.W. Bush joined the board of directors of Eli Lilly for two years. Future Vice President to Bush Dan Quayle's father, James C. Quayle, owned controlling interest in the The Indianapolis Star at that time. While serving as Vice President in the Reagan Administration in 1981 he lobbied to permit drug companies to sell obsolete or especially domestically-banned substances to Third World countries. He also kept going to the International Revenue Service asking for special tax breaks for certain drug companies, including Lilly. All to act on the behalf of the pharmaceutical companies. In 1982 Bush was personally ordered to stop lobbing the IRS by the Supreme Court.

George W. Bush is by far the front runner when it comes to contributions from the drug company. The (CPR) Center for Responsive Politics, in the 2004 Bush campaign manufactures of drug companies had contributed $764,274.00.

Now let's talk about the World Health Organization and what I have found relating to it's organization. In 1972 Bulletin 45: The creation of the Immune virus suggested a useful way's to study the effects would be quote, " To put this virus in a vaccination program nation wide and observe the results." Now in bulletin 47: They say the virus requested would selectively destroy the human T-cell system. ( That is exactly what the HIV virus does.) In fact many bio-chemists have spoken theorized the W.H.O. used the smallpox vaccination program in central Africa first of all for the study and from there that's what led into the spread of HIV infection and it coincides precisely with that intense smallpox vaccination program.

Let's jump to 1974 - A turning point to see even more truth's about these health programs designed to give us a better quality of life. I'll start with Henry Kissinger. He wrote a classified national security memorandum for the year 2000 (26 years into the future). It was entitled, " Implications of world wide population growth for u.s. security and over-sea's interest" This report amazingly identifies the nation states of India, Bangladesh, Pakistan,Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia, Columbia, as quote, "Targets for initial population reduction and experimentation to be implemented around the year 2000".

Also in 1974 - The Philippines Supreme Court found and ruled that 3 million Philippines between the age 12 and 45 years of age were given a specific test vaccine that ruined their health. W.H.O. gave them the vaccine and it was individuals tied to the Henry Kissinger report and the world health organization. It was also found that the native American women indians and black woman in the united states also received this experimental vaccine and sterility rates native American women in the u.s. that received this vaccine exceeded 35% and sterility rates today over 25 % for black women




Swine Flu Vaccine. Same game, different generation. Part 1December of 1976, To set the stage for the Bird Flu hoax or the Swine flu hoax in Fort Dix New Jersey a U..S. soldier died. The (CDC) Center of Disease Control reported to the nation, to the world and controlled media that the American people would be endangered to the swine flu pandemic that could kill millions of Americans united states. The Center of Disease Control mobilized. It began purchasing massive mega doses of the swine flu vaccinations to inoculate all Americans if possible. Millions of dollars were spent enriched the pharmaceutical cartels for the swine flu vaccinations.

Vaccine Ingredients VACCINE INGREDIENTS - pus and sores of diseased animals. 91
rate or flag this pageBy Army Infantry Mom



Concerned and Angry
I am very concerned about what is happening and what is being planned regarding our health, particularly this so called Swine Flu Vaccine. For one I have done my homework and I have discovered many things, I don't believe a lot of the public knows about. But they should and this is why I'm writing this hub. It all kind of started a few months back when I did some research on the Swine Flu and it's vaccines.

I had no idea the vaccines my government mandated that my child gets contains the following: Trimerisol (Mercury) and aluminum,formaldehyde, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, thimerosal, distillation of coal tar, vesicle fluid from calf skins, chick embryonic fluid, polyribosylribitol, phosphate, yeast, and chemically defined yeast-based medium, rabies virus, continuous line of monkey kidney cells including phenol red rhesus monkey fetal lung cells, rhesus monkey fetal diploid cells , bovine fetal serum, thimerosal mouse serum proteins, guinea pig embryo cells, fecal matter, urine, and macerated cancer cells, and yes pus and sores of diseased animals. The list of ingredients are so long I only included a handful of these ingredients in my list. To see the complete list go to INFORMED CHOICE. http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

I really wish I would of educated myself before I had my kid's vaccinated,...If I knew then,..What I know now,... I would of said NO !!! I am not suggesting to anyone they should refuse the vaccinations for their children. I would suggest however,..Really educate yourself, So you can
make a informed decision,..That best suit's your child. Now that I know I will file for an exempt on the rest of my children's vaccines.

I also have come to learned some other very frightening facts regarding vaccine's. The ingredient trimerisol also known as mercury was was made in April of 1930 by a company called Eli Lilly. Trimerisol it is an adjuvant, an adjuvant it increases the effectiveness of the virus or bacteria in the vaccination. Eli Lilly published a series of experiments on the trimerisol product and claimed the trimerisol which is 50% toxic mercury by weight is completely safe. However fact is they injected this into 22 people with spinal meningitis all died immediately. What's even more frightening other than being lied to about it, is who is involved with Eli Lilly.

Prescott Bush the grandfather of President George W. Bush a Wall Street Executive Banker, was sat on the board of the vaccine manufacturer Eli Lilly. In 1977 George H.W. Bush joined the board of directors of Eli Lilly for two years. Future Vice President to Bush Dan Quayle's father, James C. Quayle, owned controlling interest in the The Indianapolis Star at that time. While serving as Vice President in the Reagan Administration in 1981 he lobbied to permit drug companies to sell obsolete or especially domestically-banned substances to Third World countries. He also kept going to the International Revenue Service asking for special tax breaks for certain drug companies, including Lilly. All to act on the behalf of the pharmaceutical companies. In 1982 Bush was personally ordered to stop lobbing the IRS by the Supreme Court.

George W. Bush is by far the front runner when it comes to contributions from the drug company. The (CPR) Center for Responsive Politics, in the 2004 Bush campaign manufactures of drug companies had contributed $764,274.00.

Now let's talk about the World Health Organization and what I have found relating to it's organization. In 1972 Bulletin 45: The creation of the Immune virus suggested a useful way's to study the effects would be quote, " To put this virus in a vaccination program nation wide and observe the results." Now in bulletin 47: They say the virus requested would selectively destroy the human T-cell system. ( That is exactly what the HIV virus does.) In fact many bio-chemists have spoken theorized the W.H.O. used the smallpox vaccination program in central Africa first of all for the study and from there that's what led into the spread of HIV infection and it coincides precisely with that intense smallpox vaccination program.

Let's jump to 1974 - A turning point to see even more truth's about these health programs designed to give us a better quality of life. I'll start with Henry Kissinger. He wrote a classified national security memorandum for the year 2000 (26 years into the future). It was entitled, " Implications of world wide population growth for u.s. security and over-sea's interest" This report amazingly identifies the nation states of India, Bangladesh, Pakistan,Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia, Columbia, as quote, "Targets for initial population reduction and experimentation to be implemented around the year 2000".

Also in 1974 - The Philippines Supreme Court found and ruled that 3 million Philippines between the age 12 and 45 years of age were given a specific test vaccine that ruined their health. W.H.O. gave them the vaccine and it was individuals tied to the Henry Kissinger report and the world health organization. It was also found that the native American women indians and black woman in the united states also received this experimental vaccine and sterility rates native American women in the u.s. that received this vaccine exceeded 35% and sterility rates today over 25 % for black women




Swine Flu Vaccine. Same game, different generation. Part 1December of 1976, To set the stage for the Bird Flu hoax or the Swine flu hoax in Fort Dix New Jersey a U..S. soldier died. The (CDC) Center of Disease Control reported to the nation, to the world and controlled media that the American people would be endangered to the swine flu pandemic that could kill millions of Americans united states. The Center of Disease Control mobilized. It began purchasing massive mega doses of the swine flu vaccinations to inoculate all Americans if possible. Millions of dollars were spent enriched the pharmaceutical cartels for the swine flu vaccinations.

Vaccine Ingredients

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Swine Flu Vaccine. Same game, different generation. Part 2.What stopped it was simply the American people had warning voices given to them by honest medical practitioners, the problems Americans faced then was 5% of the Americans that received this vaccination died immediately,.Over 10 % was crippled or mamed and wheel chair bound for life. It showed that this vaccination was deadly, Luckily congress stepped in and intervene and stopped the insanity. No more swine flu pandemic rederick was issued anywhere in the country.

In May of 1987 the Times of London reported on the front page, that smallpox vaccinations that were given by the W.H.o. had in fact triggered HIV AIDS and it was verified through the Henry Kissinger 1974 secret memorandum and it was verified by the times of London,that the u.s. manufactured smallpox vaccine triggered the HIV aids in the same article it was reported that 100 million smallpox Africans are at high risk for HIV and the the area with the highest smallpox vaccination rates also had the highest aids rates in world wide. Robert Gallow who discovered the HIV aids detection firmly defends those figures in the debate and said quote " the problem we have is all aids researchers are keeping their mouths shut , why, because they are paid high sums to do so."

What's even more scarrier is the fact that in Nov.2002, A writer tacked on to the end of the homeland security bill confers immunity for liability prosecutions to Eli Lilly and all other manufactors vaccines.
Where Are We At Now ?????
Well the World Health Organization has a checklist for the influenza pandemic and in Section 1.5.1 Legal and ethical issues -
This basically says durning a pandemic, the government and WHO may decide to overrule legislation or (individual) human rights.For example enforcement of quarantine (overruling individuals freedom of movement) They are also poised to declare mandatory Swine Flu vaccines in all 194 countries and will be legally binding. Which means now that we are at a level 6 the World Health Organization, when it wants to, when its ready to, WHO can assume political power, security power, health power, and all other power. Read it for yourself http://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/influenza/FluCheck6web.pdf

The leader and prime developer of this Swine Flu vaccine is Baxter. The very same Baxter International which contaminated the seasonal flu vaccines in 18 North European countries in which 72 kilo's which is 2.2 pounds of highly infective Avian flu. It's also not clear if those 72 kilo's have been destroyed, they still could be floating around. Baxter was under contract to be able to sell these avian flu vaccinations if their was an outbreak.

So if it becomes mandatory you have 3 choices, get the shot, go into a incarceration center or Self - Shield yourself. http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/p=2752

We have been assured by the office of our best health freedom friend in congress will bring a bill to congress http://www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org click on Act Now.

I would also highly recommend to download the following One Page Leaflet Link: http://www.lifespirit.org/StayHomeStayAlive-bulletptfinal.pdf

Speak up and e-mail your representatives http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275
Demand you have the right to Self Shield yourself. Write your federal and state legislators and sign the petition.

A federal lawsuit to stop the forced vaccinations was filed in U.S. District court on July 31, 2009 by Tim Vawter. According to the CDC, the seasonal flu infects 15 to 60 million Americans each year, hospitalizes about 200,000 & KILLS about 36,000. That's 800+ hospitalizations & over 250 DEATHS EACH DAY during flu season. Although it appears the WHO doesn't seem to think that is a high level threat, like the Swine flu that has killed about 200,...Hmmmm.

In my research I also found a couple of things that I wanted to point out. First,..Donald Rumsfeld owns stock in Gilead Sciences Inc., the company that makes Tamiflu sold by the pharmaceutical giant Roche. Rumsfeld between 1988 and 2001 was a member of Gilead's board of directors and chairman from 1977 until he was Secretary of Defence for G.W.Bush.
Rumsfeld stock holdings valued at between $5 Million and $25 million according to federal financial disclosures. Others that served as board members for Gilead includes George Shultz (former Secretary of State) and the wife of former California governor Pete Wilson.

The 2nd thing that needs to be addressed is a article written by Barack Obama and Richard Lugar that was Published: June 6th, 2005 called, Grounding a Pandemic. In this article he (Obama) takes credit for, in one paragraph says, "The Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously approved legislation directing President Bush to form a senior-level task force to put in place an international strategy to deal with the avian flu and coordinate policy among our government agencies. We urge the Bush administration to form this task force immediately without waiting for legislation to be passed." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/06/opinion/06obama.html?scp=1&sq=Grounding%20a%20Pandemic%20by%20Barack%20Obama%20from%202005&st=cse

In closing Keep in mind that the many of the infectious diseases we're dealing with today were basically dead in the world until vaccines were re-introduced in the twenties, and vaccines
have reawakened many of these diseases and brought them back with a vengeance. After the introduction of a vaccine for any particular disease, after a period of about 5 to 8 years, that particular disease mutates and develops a resistance to the vaccine, and then the disease rate begins to climb. Look a the Amish. They never take vaccines & they are healthier than vaccinated people!

Wondering Minds,...
If the Government mandated the swine flu shots would you ?
Follow along and just get the shot's.
Declare violation of your Constitional Right's and not comply ? robert kennedy juniour can be seen on you tube debating vaccines the amish kids who had autism had been adopted and were vaccinated in the countrys they were born This most recent investigation simply provides the proverbial icing on the cake. There aren't too many other places, if any, in America where you can find large groups of children who haven't been vaccinated.

The reporter found three children with autism. One child was adopted and previously vaccinated, another was one of the few Amish children who were vaccinated, and the third had an unclear vaccine history. That leaves, at most, potentially one child out of an expected 200 (from national statistics) with autism. The odds of this being mere coincidence are slim to none.
to right this up myself would take me hrs .plus these are all published reports be having a vaccine cheque out all information available be informed . everything i post can be chequed out .
 Matthew__Angel

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catseyeslinda.... you can copy paste your life away but your copy pastes amount to no more than fear mongering over a few biased reports than have since been blown out of the water.

Honestly Linda, you're starting to sound like one of those crazy religious people yammering about their pie in the sky.....
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It's worth noting that one of the organisations regularly mentioned in this thread, 'Safe Minds' is basically the political arm of the mercury/vaccine movement and that it's president is Lyn Redwood, co-author of the book 'Autism: A Novel Form of Mercury Poisoning'. In other words, someone who has a financial interest in keeping the controversy going...

I feel it's very important to consider potential bias in sources providing information.
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This is 2009. Someone needs to stop looking at old data and read the information regarding current studies. Go put your stuff on a new thread if you have problems with the flu virus too.

Anyone know how long a first Amish girl pregnancy is? 9 months after she bundled.
Anyone know how many children are learning disabled in the Amish community? Neither do they, they don't test their children! You are lucky if they take their children to a regular doctor. OB/Gyn, not likely either. More like midwife. So that means how many babies are born with birth defects that don't survive? You don't know the answers because this is a closed society!

I always love how people don't think Amish get STD's and are so pure...yeah right, check out what some do before they join the church and then there are the upstairs bars and women for the adult men...oh the stories I have heard. I used to live in Lancaster.

You want accurate information about what causes Autism, check out Nancy Minshew's information. They are continuously studying and updating!
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I am not completely convinced either way; there is money to be made on both sides of this argument. Of course, drug companies make more money when children are given several vaccines, and they use mercury in those vaccines. On the other hand, many parents are not willing to pay the cost for a one dose vaccine, which does not contain mercury.

There has been an awful lot of "scary", seemingly fact based data published regarding vaccines containing mercury & autism, and there is some truth in this data. There are also those who thrive on propagating conspiracy theories, and there is much left out. For example, there IS a difference between metal mercury and Ethylmercury and their effects on the body. The presence of metal mercury in the body causes mitochondrial enzyme deficiency, which is not found in most autistics. Autism continues to increase, and only time will tell how long it remains to do so.

I have been slow to give my own children any "new" vaccine" without first doing some research & talking to a health professional in whom I trust. If you don't trust the medical profession, approach a college Chemistry or Physiology professor. IT certainly can't hurt. Truth is, we all have personal experiences that are such that no amount of research will change our minds. All in all, I have to say that I do believe that for the most part, greater good is done by vaccinating than not. If one feels very strongly, simply request one dose vaccines and foot the bill.
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vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 10/27/2009 12:59:13 AM
Hello,

I am so glad I found this discussion. Well I am a mother of a child with Autism and can say I, after much research and reading article after article, can say that I believe that vaccine have a correlation with the rise of Autism. If you read the possible side affects of the ingredients of the vaccines, they resemble the symptoms of Autism. Please do your research and you will be surprised. The schedule in the 1980's consisted of 10 vaccines by the age of 6, now there are 36 vaccines by that age. Please consider that when these vaccine were implemented science and healthcare were not what they are now. Look it
http://www.nvic.org/

If you havent heard of this story, it will show the possible affects on the nervous system after a vaccine is intruduced. Very sad story.
http://www.generationrescue.org/desiree_jennings.html

Anyway I can go on and on. Contact me if you would like to continue

The CDC and the US gvernment do not want to accept responsibility for allowing the country to receive these harmful preservitives in the forms of vaccines. It really is a conspiracy. Just to let you know something else. The government thanks to Mr Bush accepted full responsibilty if a law suit comes about from the side affects of vaccine. But all you will get is $200,000. this money my friends is coming out of our tax dollars. Meaning the Pharm company profit and can never be touched. EVER!!Does that make sence to you???

Okay, Okay. I will shut up now.

God Bless
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