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Posted: 11/28/2006 7:05:41 PM | I have heard the three in one at nine months has caused problems, a coworker who's son is almost three had a withdrawl after the nine month vaccine he has been diagnosed with autism. He was also getting over a cold at the time perhaps it's the level of immunity?
My doctor gave my son's vaccine separately at nine months as that was her practice and I am grateful. I have also heard that the chicken pox booster they are giving now also has side effects. I'll have to do some homework before his 18 mth appointment. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2006 7:49:31 PM | | The only problem with saying that vaccines "cause" autism is that it doesn't explain how children who never received vaccines developed autism. If someone wants to solve that little riddle for me I'd really appreciate it. I think a large part of it is that we don't know what causes it, and it's easier to blame it on this that or the other, rather than just accept that sometimes bad things happen... and there doesn't always have to be a reason. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2006 10:05:51 PM | Some Autistic children have a family history of Autism. Indicating that there can be a genetic link. Around Stannford University and MIT there are high incidences of autism. It is suspected that brilliant high functioning Autistic adults are getting together and having kids.
The issue for some is with the MMR vaccine and how the various viruses interact in an underdevloped immune system. Spinal fluid taken from autistic children show very high viral loads for measles years after it should have been cleared by the immune system. Resaerchers are finding that in there look at HIV they are getting to understand the complexity when two or more viruses are present in the body. They are discovering how complex and unpredictable the results can be and that may hold true for MMR. Prior to that vaccine they were given seperatley.
A correspondingly high amount of children also have severe 'gut' problems. It is suspected that the viruses are causing the abnormailitis in the gut therefore depriving the child of essential nurtiants for neurological development. Autistic children physically often resemble those with malnutrition. See the link below for an interesting lecture on that aspect of it.
http://www.chem.cmu.edu/wakefield/
Heres is an article by Robert Kennedy Jr. regardng the mercury issue and the proof of a cover up on the issue for mostly financial reasons. 'If I had A Rocket Launcher....'
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/
The doctors and psycologists state my sons Autism was caused by yet other reasons. The point I'm trying to make is that the diagnosis is a spectrum disorder and maybe has several causes of which one or several are at play, effecting children diffrently. In each though resulting in neurological damage at a young age. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 2:01:58 AM | Yes YES YES! There is a connection for some children. It may be a sensitivity to the vaccine, or more likely the mercury (added as a preservative).
There are MANY MANY MANY cases. I too know of a mother who swears her child fell ill at 12 months after he got his shots..and never recovered. He was later diagnosed autistic. Up until then he had been starting to talk and even feeding himself with a spoon. He got sick for a few days and was never the same. A mother knows.
No the medical community is not ready to jump up and down and admit to poisioning millions of kids. (Think of the lawsuits.) Read the book "A Shot in the Dark". It has hundrends of testimonials. Do a little research. This problem is much bigger than we think. Autism is part of a whole spectrum of disorders, cognitive disabilites and behavioural conditions we dont fully understand.
I urge all parents to research and think for themselves. Please, dont think 'doctor knows best' These days with so many books and wesites available we owe it to our children to inform ourselves about their medical treatments and vaacinations. Some parents do choose to forgo vaccination, or delay their scheduling. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 2:02:14 AM | Yes YES YES! There is a connection for some children. It may be a sensitivity to the vaccine, or more likely the mercury (added as a preservative).
There are MANY MANY MANY cases. I too know of a mother who swears her child fell ill at 12 months after he got his shots..and never recovered. He was later diagnosed autistic. Up until then he had been starting to talk and even feeding himself with a spoon. He got sick for a few days and was never the same. A mother knows.
No the medical community is not ready to jump up and down and admit to poisioning millions of kids. (Think of the lawsuits.) Read the book "A Shot in the Dark". It has hundrends of testimonials. Do a little research. This problem is much bigger than we think. Autism is part of a whole spectrum of disorders, cognitive disabilites and behavioural conditions we dont fully understand.
I urge all parents to research and think for themselves. Please, dont think 'doctor knows best' These days with so many books and wesites available we owe it to our children to inform ourselves about their medical treatments and vaacinations. Some parents do choose to forgo vaccination, or delay their scheduling. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 4:58:56 AM | | I spoke with my doctor about getting the vaccines seperated and he told me they don't do that. So do i have to get it at 18mnth or could i wait until he was 2? | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 6:15:40 AM | Takeu2funkytown, I tried to get them to separate it too without any luck. But you can wait until he is 2 or longer. Unless he is going into a public daycare system you are free to hold off. Those are the rules in Ontario. I did that with my daughter and waited until she was almost 3. It really depends on how much exposure your child will have to other kids. They all spread germs no matter how hard we try to keep them germfree.
I believe that the vaccine may have "contributed" to my son's autism. The day he rec'd his MMR vaccine was one I will never forget. He screamed all night long, it was awful. We took him to the doctor the next day and said he seems fine now, don't worry about it. By 18 months my son was diagnosed with infantile autism, and lucky for him the waiting list for services wasn't as long as it is now.
I have had my son and daughter (she was just recently diagnosed at age 6) on the GFCF diet and the difference in my son was like turning on a light. My daugher, not such a drastic change but behaviours definitely improved.
So WOULD I vaccinate my children for any other diseases? I won't say a definite NO, but I would be doing some serious research into the ingredients and history of it beforehand. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 6:29:41 AM | actually i have been thinking....
they stopped the 2 year vaccine shot back in 2004.... as what was given at the age of 18months will hold out until the child turns 4...
now... it would be interesting to see if these kids that turned 2 on or after 2004 and never got that shot... have been diagnosed with autism?
maybe those shots at birth, 2months, 4 months, 6months 12months, 18months and then again at 2 years if actually giving the kids that body overload....im thinking it could actually be that 2 year shot.... that is doing it if it is mostly in kids that turned 2 before 2004 and not really that 18month one.
also... i wonder if the size ( weight/ height) of the child would come into effect as well... also if the child was sick at the time of getting any of those shots....
my nephew was diagnosed with autism at the age of 12months... he was a very sick baby and did have kidney problems from birth | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 8:25:54 AM | If I had any choice in it I wouldn't have had my son vaccinated so soon. My sons mother had him vaccinated right on time for everything until age 2. Apparently the health nurse and doctor dismissed the risks in the vaccines. From what I understand is that some still contain the mercury others dont and it varies form country to country. The damage could also be in the interaction of the viruses. So finding out if the proposed vaccine contains mercury would be a good bit of information to have. But still doesnt eliminate the hypothasied risks. If your child has had some medical issues I would definatley wait. I think the key here is to research what is in the shot(get the brand name and look at the monograph) and wait as long as you can.
Ive worked in the medical field for years. Seen alot of mistakes and how the attitude/arrogance of doctors leads to some bad medicine. My wife was told for months she just had a bad case of bhroncitis. Turned out to be lung cancer and she was dead 4 months after diagnosis. Dont trust them! Certainly dont trust the drug companies either. Medicine is about money and how much you can make. Doctors are trained that they will kill people through mistakes and thats acceptable.
My son is progressing and just yesterday he was playing and taking turns playing with other kids for the first time. He is just a tad over 3. My hope is that with the help of ABA he will have a different but fullfilling life. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 10:15:54 AM | | Alot of you have mentioned mercury. Is that what may be the cause of illnesses associated with this vaccine? | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 12:20:08 PM | http://www.tacanow.com/
This site is wonderful with alot of information about mercury, therapies, diets etc. Check it out, it may answer some of your concerns. It also lists some useful contacts in the medical field. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 6:19:56 PM | Well for starters....my son is autistic.....I knew something was wrong when I carried him in my belly for 9 months.....guess what....he had developmental delays as early as 2 to 4 months.....and for the months to follow....he has had all of his immunizations.....but...I don't blame that...he like any other child has autism....it is from the moment the cells start dividing......! So...for all the parents you are blaming the immunizations...or parents are scared to give there child immunizations! It has nothing to do with any of this! God creates children everyday and now the statistics are 1 in every 160 children will have Autism!
Except your children for who they are...normal or not normal....we are going to give them love and treat them all the same anyway!
God won't give someone something unless they can handle it!
I have been blessed with a special child...I don't know the reason now....but one day I will....god has his reasons...and he will be blessing both of us!
Please put this subject to rest! | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 9:40:16 PM | Much debate on this subject. I guess I'll post my little opinion as well :P
Autism is kown to have a genetic componet and certain vaccines-MMR being one may indeed trigger autism.
The MIND institute website is a good resource
also mothering.com/discussions has a vast forum on vaccine issues if you wish to look.
I have worked with children diagnosed with autism for 10 years( I do not have a child diagnosed on the spectrum). Many did recieve all their shots. It is true that thermosol was taken out of many vaccines, but it is not completely reliable. Many brain scans and other test show high levels of mercury and lead in the brains of people with autism. Vaccines are only one way-ocean animals and run-off from plants are the main sources of mercury, which is the number 1 carcinogen linked to neurological impairment in-utero.
So, I had my son get most of his shots after 14 months and had the MMR split. Plus, only one shot at a time. Most parents notice a gradual loss of language and social interaction between 18-24 months as others have stated. So, it could be the timing of the shots.
A few sites:
http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mindinstitute/
http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/execsumm.php?gclid=CLv45suH84gCFQ09GAodJSzKuw
I also feel as parents, we have an intuition about our children and the "hunches" or "feelings" we experience should be just as important as a scientific study. I hope you find answers that you feel are adaquate to make a final decision.  | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 9:47:06 PM | Lovelyblonde:
As much as I wanna agree with you about God not playing a role in things... I sometimes don't know.. I'm not a huge believer in God and religion.. However in my life I think if there is a god... He planned my life out to a tee..
Growing up I did extensive Volunteer work with Autistic adults and Children.. A variety of things ranging from outings.. to working on ABA teams.. I just had a natural draw to want to do it.
When I went through Uni, I did Psych. And I did some extensive projects on the effects of Autism, and ABA therapy. Also a few in relation to other sorts of therapy.. But I just found it fascinating how so little is know about something that affects so many.
Then get married.. have a kid... And a couple of years later, bingo bango. The Diagnosis of Autism is given... And in all honesty it never entered my mind until I heard the team say it to me... I had no idea he was being examined by the Autism Team at the local Sunny Hill Hospital.. Our pediatrician didn't want to scare us in case his assessment was wrong..
I just now look back on things.. I simply fell right into place with everything.. Looked back over his life thus far, and after getting the diagnosis it all added up.. So I essentially picked up the ball and ran with it..
So to say there isn't an extra hand in all this.. I don't know... They say God will only give you as much as you can handle... And well he prepared me well, if there is a god.. LOL | |
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Posted: 12/2/2006 3:44:04 AM | I already posted my views...yes vaccines have risks they don't tell you about.
I just thought I'd add that here in Canada IT IS NOT MANDITORY TO VACCINATE YOUR CHILD. There is not LAW. There are some 'requirements' for school entry in a few provinces but you CAN request an exemption form. They cannot force you. Many people do not know this.
Here is a website to check out
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990705200653 | |
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Posted: 12/2/2006 10:51:11 AM | http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/MMR.htm
This is a very interesting read to the subject of the MMR vaccine. | |
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Posted: 12/3/2006 12:42:32 AM | | Wow, I can tell you I am going to research the MMR shot alot more now that I have read this thread. My daughter is 16 mos now...and a bit behind with her shots because of constant ear infections. My doctor isn't concerned with the age guideline since she is in a private home for daycare. This discussion has created alot of questions for me though regarding my middle son though. After recieveing the MMR at 18 mos. he got very sick. The doctors told me he was mimicking the measles and the mumps...he had all the symptoms....red spots, high fever, swollen glands. He has always had difficulty with reading and his speech. I am wondering now if this could be a result from the vaccine?...Any opinions? Is it better to wait for this particular shot to give kids at an older age? I always thought that children would be denied entry into the school system if they weren't vaccinated. My son almost got suspended for not having his 4-6 yr shot administered. Am I missing something? Where do you get an exemption form and what are the requirements to be exempted? | |
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Posted: 12/3/2006 4:16:31 AM | I am realyy big on that. yes I did here about these vaccines causing problems. I have a child that has autisum charictaristics. It started to show way before the age of 3 yrs. It came out when he was 8-9 mths. old. I would not worry much about these vaccines, I worry more about the foods we eat! Well good luck to you.
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Posted: 12/3/2006 6:55:46 AM | I don't claim to be an expert about this but I worked with autistic children in my early years of mental health work and also did my internship in brain injury/education. I have definitely heard of the possible correlation between autism and vaccines.
I also have a child with special needs...although autism has been ruled out.
As others have already commented, there can be a genetic link too.
Although, many of the children I worked with had one erie similarity...there had been a lack of oxegyn during the birth process.
So, I am guessing by what I saw and observed that it could be a combination of genetic and environmental circumstances that cause this condition.
Great thread U2!!
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Posted: 12/3/2006 11:30:39 AM | I just downloaded a BBC show called Horizon which looked at the MMR vaccine issue. Its important to note that only regressive autism is suspected as a result of it. The Dannish give children a social inscurance number at borth and track their health records form the start. They used a sample size of 100,000 and found no higher insatnce of autism in children that recived the vaccine and those that didnt. At any rate even if there wasa correclation it wouldnt explain the higher instance of autism that isnt regressive. I too think for some its something in the food we eat. My sons neurogical damage was a result of child abuse and neglect.
Just to be sure though I've changed Gods to one that doesn't will this on children. | |
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Posted: 12/3/2006 12:51:14 PM | | Dolphin........... not sure what regressive autism is. didn't realize there were different types. Could you please clarify for me? | |
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Posted: 12/3/2006 3:47:32 PM | Autism has nothing to do with vaccines. After having a seriously sick child from a disease which there are vaccines for (she got it before she was old enough to have followed the program yet) I can not fathom how parents will risk their childrens lives not vaccinating. And not only risk your kids life, but the life of other children, especially those that cannot tolerate a vaccine. Every child not vaccinated will enable the disease to gain more ground, spreading. There has been whole societies not vaccinating after the fraud of the autism scare a few years back, and health problems relating to those dieseases have escalated, leaving children deaf etc, even dead.
Autism is something that can be TRIGGERED. No one knows by what, but it is latent in the body and will be triggered sooner or later, causing a delay in the child. | |
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Posted: 12/3/2006 4:49:40 PM | ..Funky..:
Im no expert but regressive is when a child has been progessing through the first year and a 1/2 or so. Then they start to lose language which is also noted by behavioural changes. Eventually the child will not be able to say or use the words they previously did. Often the wors get shortened first then disappear. This is what Dr Wakefield was suggesting. There have been consqeuences for people stopping vaccinating their kids and other children who cant tolerate even the vaccine due to auto immunne deficencies. Mesles can be more than just a rash from some and thiose with autoimmune deficencies it can be seriosly debilitating. However whos risk is the one to take. Risk that a child with an autoimmunine deficenty may be at more risk if you dont immunise your child but if you do your childs health could be seriously be affected. Do we go my probabilities? Cause i believe the rate of autism is much higher than kids with autoimmune disorders. Most peole are suggesting using the non-combined vaccine and waiting longer. Not in never having your kid immunised.
Some poele have what is called Aspergers syndrom or fragile X and I believe there are a few others that are autistic in symptoms but differ in diagnosis and functioning. Fragile X can also be tested for in the chromosomes where autism cant and looks very similar.
I look at autism as one would cancer. Many diffrent types and some have known sources and other dont. We still have a lot to learn. But if Autism is 1/166 births and wasnt diagnosed or documented until 1947 its hard to think that in hundrerds perhaps thousands of years it wnet unnoticed. Even Fetal Alcohol Effect is in the First Testimant. But never any Autism? 1/166 births? All the experts state they dont know whats causing it but if you read that article by Kennedy i linked earlier its hard to believe that its totaly random or an act of God. If you were an expectant mother would you take Thalidamyde? | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 4:36:55 AM | Autism and Asperger's Syndrome (high functioning autism) are hereditary. They have discovered differences in brain structure as soon as 16 weeks fetal development.
Every few years some new rumour begins about vaccinations causing some other disease. This last time a family thought their son "developed" autism two weeks after his MMR vaccinations and it was reported on CNN.
Nobody wants to inject their babies, it is traumatic to watch for parents. However, ask anyone who has had it, polio sucks, tetanus sucks more. Dipteria was a leading cause of death in children. The reason they vaccinate is that these diseases were fatal to a lot of people. Right now in the South the CDC is having a huge outbreak of Whooping Cough, which is the "pertussis" of the DPT.
We have grown sanguine, due to a low infant mortality rate. Before there were vaccines, you had to have a big family, because your children might not survive until adulthood. While these ill advised people with little scientific reasoning run around in a panic, there are parents in third world countries that walk miles and miles, carrying their children in hopes of getting them vaccinated. We have a very short memory.
Some useful links:
The scientific refutation.
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/autism.html
An interesting article about the sudden upswing in Autism in the 90's. The cases tripled.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers.html | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 9:28:59 AM | Okay been reading the posts in here... And the Vaccine theory is a little more then a rumor otherwise it would not of lasted this long in professional circles. I'm not suggesting it's the only cause.. And after doing allot of reading, and speaking to people I've developed a theory of my own..
I do believe it could be the Vaccines based on the fact I think it's the Virus itself that is causing the degregation in the cell development in the brain. So if your not vaccinated, and are exposed to the virus you are just as acceptable to the development of Autism as someone who is vaccinated.
Even vaccinations them selves are not 100% effective. Even if you receive the vaccination it doesn't mean your still not able to contract the disease that you are trying to defend against.
I'm not sure why people think that the 100% best thing is to vaccinate your child. As mentioned there are tons of Pediatricians who choose not to vaccinate their children... These vaccinations are viruses.. Dormant scaled down versions of them.. And we purposely inject our kids with them...
I'm not saying they don't work all the time... Because a result certain diseases have essentially been eraticated from our society..
My suggestion to all parents wait till about the age of 2 before starting any of them... There is no law thats says you must vaccinate at the time the book says... And if you don't your not going to be thrown in jail...
If you wait till after the age of 2 it gives their immune systems time to develop far enough on their own that when giving the vaccination it won't get past it...
Most people with Autistic children will tell you that right up till about the age 12-14 months their child was developing normally.. You could pullout that book what to expect in the 1st year thing.. And by the book they did everything... My son was no exception...
Then all of the sudden around 12-14months area they started to regress... Stopped developing.. almost seemed to forget the stuff they were taught how to do.. And now if it was only sect of society.. . Then maybe Genetics might be the major factor...
But when it's affecting all races... Locations... Gender... You have to look beyond genetics... And look to see whats the common factor.. And why would the gene all of the sudden start asserting itself more now, then it did 100 years ago..
Part of the reason is simply 20 years ago the edcuation to know what it was, simply didn't exsist.. And they would of simply been diagnosed as Mentally Retarted.. However even statistically speaking that doesn't account for all of it..
So we have to look for something in society that is common among almost all the cases.. And this is where the vaccinations come in... At first they were saying it was the mercury.. But that has more or less been ruled out due to half the vaccinations they stopped using it..
The stuff I've been reading it the disease itself.. It would also explain why in countries where vaccinations are not given that autism is still developing.. Mind you though also at a lower rate based on the population then in countries where vaccinations are given.. | |
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