Keljo
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Joined: 12/28/2005
Msg: 101 | |
| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 12/27/2006 6:05:46 PM | My friend SWEARS it was the vaccine that caused her daugher's autism. All her baby pictures up until 18 months show a normal, happy, engaged child. Afterwards, you can see the regression progression through the photos. She is no longer engaged, not looking at the camera, 'distant' look in her eyes.
She is a sweet child, and I would hate to think that the mercury in the vaccine could have caused her autism. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 12/27/2006 7:19:18 PM |
I guess there are many causes but I tend to believe that blaming vaccines is a case of mis-placed cause and effect conclusions
I don't know about that.. Most of the children I know who have developed Autism it's the same story.. Over and over.. If you pull out that book "What to Expect in the first Year" Open it up, children should be doing this, that... blah blah.. by certain ages...
Sure enough, my son is no different. Were right on cue. And was fully engaged in the world around him. Had an interest in other people, and even was curious about other children around him.
Then all of the sudden it stopped. And even started to go in reverse. And almost like he was starting to forget things... And stopped reacting to both my Wife and I... | |
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Posted: 12/27/2006 8:46:06 PM | Spiderham, I just read a gew of the posts in here and I have a few questions to you.. you seem like the best (IN MY OPINION) to ask..
1. Im a little worried now.. I dont want my son to get autism from the vaccines.
2. Are you allowed to refuse them? I thought they were mandatory for school purposes.
3. Alot of people on here keep saying a different vaccine. What is the one for which they are connecting autism to?..
4. My son is just about to get his 6 month needles. I am now a little eery as im confused. Would they not tell you the potential risk of autism if in so many cases it has been related to the vaccine?..
Please ease my mind, I am a worry wart when it comes to my son.
Thanks. | |
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Posted: 12/27/2006 9:13:25 PM | I just want to add something else, I was just talking to my grandma LOL. and she watched Montel Williams today and he had Sylvia Brown on it and her predictions for the new year. She said (for those who believe LOL) that they are going to find a cure for autism and it will be a thing of the past by the end of 2007.
So hopefully she is right.
Have a good night. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 12/27/2006 10:48:50 PM | My friend SWEARS it was the vaccine that caused her daughters autism
I believe Your friend is correct.........
2.Are you allowed to refuse them?
I believe every school principals desk will contain 2 forms for ''exemption''
1. A medical exemption........ ( possible allergic reaction ) or negative immune response etc.
2. an exemption based on your religious objections and or beliefs.........
Sometime in the future...one might consider.......
Asking a question ''''''''
If immunizations (vaccinations) really work !
How then, will my non-vaccinated child put vaccinated children at risk ? | |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 1:39:45 AM | Fckn_around:
Well I'm no expert... So please do take what I have to say with that in mind. If you actually consult the vaccine people, they will tell you that your Child must X age before such a vaccination can be administered... Not that it must be done at that age or else..
Vaccines for the most part do work... I am all for the contiuning of Vaccinations. However where I differ is the age at which we give them... Simply by waiting a little longer and allowing your child's immune system to develop more on it's own, before administering a vaccine, in my opinion you decrease the risk of side effects..
As far as which vaccine is being connected to Autism.. I've been reading allot on the MMR (Mumps, Measles, and Rubella) It's a 3 in 1 shot.. And even with those.. I've been hearing that seperating the 3 of them, and giving at different times, in essence allowing the body to fight 1 off at a time, it also decreases the chances of Side Effects.
The Measles one is what started most the argument after a Doctor in examing a few children with Autism found the Measle Virus in the Stomach, and digestive tract. Yet the child was not contracting the disease.. Nor was there a point in time where exposure from they could see would be obivious...
And then after consulting the parents, and thinking about the time of vaccine, it was noted that shortly after that shot signs of Autism were starting to be noticed by the parents.. And there was more then simply 1 case of this happening..
As far as your Son goes, it all depends on your situation.. also history... If there is a history of ADD or Autism, or things like that.. as Autism is more prevelant in Boys then girls.. you might want to wait a little..
But then some Daycares won't take the children unless they are done ext... So it's a big Coin Toss...
If you want to email privately feel free, would be more the happy to answer any questions I can... And find you some Web Links.. | |
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babs3
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Joined: 7/30/2006
Msg: 107 | |
| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 12/31/2006 2:06:16 AM | | After reading this site...and alot of research on the web..I have decided not to vaccinate my daughter with the 12 mos shot and especially the 18 mos shot until she is older. Since she is not in a public daycare, I can postpone these shots until it becomes an issue for entering kindergarden. From what I have read, these shots are much better tolerated when a baby grows to be a toddler (3) and has developed a much better immune system. However, I will still ask to have the MMR shot done seperately to reduce any chances of a reaction....thanx for forcing me to be informed guys! | |
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Posted: 12/31/2006 2:13:07 AM | Babs3:
I have to agree with your choice.. I do think the vaccinations should be done.. But not so early in life. And as far as the MMR being separated.. In truth I don't know if they do separate them here in Canada at all.. Be a good question to find out. | |
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babs3
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Joined: 7/30/2006
Msg: 109 | |
| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 12/31/2006 2:16:29 AM | spider,
My doctor says she can perscribe the medications seperatly...but I will have to pay for them out of my own pocket. I think it is a small price for the peace of mind. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 1/2/2007 5:07:23 PM | Most vaccine's are totally safe. There are some however that they will tell children not to get if they have some food allergies (ie eggs...not sure which vaccine though). Most vaccines are pretty safe except for fever, pain in the area where it was given but there are cases where the child can have a reaction to the shot. I guess, as a parent, you have to decide whether the risks are worth not getting the vaccine for your child. I know here (Ottawa, Canada) kids have to have all of their shots in order to attend school.
There are no cases of vaccines causing any type of developmental delay (ie autism) that I know of. I worked with special needs adults and kids for 17 years and have never had ANY cases of vaccines causing their specific delay.
Don't know if this helps at all.
Take care | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 1/2/2007 6:27:30 PM |
There are no cases of vaccines causing any type of developmental delay (ie autism) that I know of. I worked with special needs adults and kids for 17 years and have never had ANY cases of vaccines causing their specific delay.
As of right now there is no 100% data to say Autism or other like Developmental Delayed disorders can be directly linked to Vaccinations. Your right... However when you have allot of parents noticing the same similarities.. at about the same time... And even watching children regress... The Genetic key I think needs something to turn it.. An environmental factor.
Just as putting Winter Tires on your car is not going ensure you don't slip on the ice... But will greatly improve your chances of avoiding an accident... Waiting an extra year to get the 8-12 month shots done is not going to for most part adversley effect the child..
The more time your body has to develop naturally, the better your odds are for being able to effectively use the vaccinations, and not have any side effects. Also as a side note, there is allot of evidence to suggest that not all Vaccines are equal..
Meaning depending on the lab that produced them, they could be different strengths.. And even doses in the same batch can come out at different strengths..
As I stated before I am not against Vaccinations... There is reason why do them, and have eliminated allot of the world deadly diseaes here in Canada (Vancouver Area). But why must they be done at the Earliest possible moment? | |
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Posted: 1/2/2007 7:24:15 PM | Parents considering immunizations prior to the age of (2)
Immunizations administered before the age of 2 .
All to often, result in a demyelinating encephalitis which prevents the normal development
of the protective myelin sheathing of the brain and nerve cells during infancy and early childhood years.
The adverse pathologic changes , might lead to various forms of learning disabilities and
behavioral problems so often encountered now-a-days with increasing frequency......... | |
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Posted: 1/2/2007 7:36:30 PM | EddyJ
Where did you get that info... I've been looking for a few more links on this... Would be interested in reading more of the article.. I completely agree with it.. Just would like to find some more literature on it. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 1/2/2007 7:44:10 PM | The doctors have suspected autistic specturm in my oldest since he was 6 months old. They have tossed the idea back and ofrth for 8 years, no one can agree. Latest is deciding if it is PDD-NOS. His behaviours appeared very early, we started noticing at 3 months he wasn't quite right, but it took until 6 months for the dr's to consider it. I do not believe that vaccine's cause autism. What I do believe however is that their brains are predisposed to various disorders and due to environmental factors (vaccine's, food sensitivities, trauma) the disorders tend to manifest themselves, or inthe case where they are already present become more severe. Something that I have often considered is the cumulative effect of toxins in our dna and how it affects the next generation.
Bare with me while I explain. If you look at species like the peregrin falcon for example we see that the cumulative effects of toxins affects their egg development, preventing hatchlings to be born and putting the species at risk. Who's to say a similar effect is not happening to humans. A female fetus has all the eggs she will ever have in here life while still inutero. She lives a life in our society surrounded by toxins, pesticides and additives in the food, pollution from cars and factories, household cleaners designed to " keep us healthy". It stands to reason that those chemicals *could* be altering the dna stored in those eggs. then 20, 30 or even 40 years later that woman has a child. If the egg has been damaged due to the level of toxins injested, inhaled and absorbed over decades doesn't it stand to reason that the chemical composition of the brain would be altered, leading to higher incidence of hidden disabilities. Disorders like Autism, ADHD, Learning disorder etc are in fact on the rise, yet no one can figure out why.
The second piece to this is how connected disorders like ADHD and austism really are. If you sat down and listed all the symptoms/signs of each you will see that they display the same concerns, just worded slightly differently. ADHD should in fact be classified as an autistic spectrum disorder, yet I do not see parents screaming vaccine's caused adhd, instead dr's blame parenting skills. Instead the researchers should be joining forces to study the link between these 2 disorders, but that is a whole different topic.
Back to my kids. My eldest son fits so many disorders no two dr's can agree on a Dx. He fits so many yet not enough to help him. His current Dx du jour is severe ADHD(dr says worst he has ever seen), severe anxiety disorder resulting in antisocial tendancies, and possible pdd-nos. My daughter also has adhd. I do not believe that vaccine's caused his disorders suddenly. I do believe in my theory of the cumulative effects of toxins, predisposed him to these disorders when triggured by environmental factors. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2007 7:48:58 PM | You might enter a search -google- dogpile.com
An author and researcher ""Harris Coulter""
A book that was supposed to be scheduled for publication around 1990 or so.........
Also another researcher who may have had input into this book
''Harold E. Buttram'' MD
Hope this helps...........................................
Also one might google Barbara Loe Fisher
And these words or title of a book
A Shot In The Dark | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 2/10/2007 7:11:46 PM | | In the measles mumps rubella vacinne there were traces of coloidal mercury. My friend contacted poison control and asked them what level of coloidal murcery would not be harmful to a child and the agent responded, no amount is acceptable....so my friend asked well then why is it in the MMR vaccine, and they refused to comment and advised her to contact the health department.... | |
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Posted: 2/10/2007 8:12:01 PM | asantoro:
I was led to believe that Mercury is no longer used in children's vaccinations for the most part due to the major risk of side effects...
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/05vol31/asc-dcc-12/index.html
This is a Canadian site that would seem to suggest the MMR vaccination isn't one given to children that would even contain Mercury in it.. And the only ones that might are the Hep B, and Flu vaccines... But even then in recent times they have started producing the same vaccines without the mercury.
I do know they were trying to link the Mercury levels in Vaccines to Autism... But for the most part, to that end, there isn't enough conclusive data to indicate that... As Health Canada has since the early 90's stopped using mercury in most of it's vaccinations they give to children. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2007 10:18:00 PM | | I have had a theory that my son's autism is a result of exposure to propylene glycol. This is the main ingrediant in airplane deicer, "green" antifreeze, hand creams, baby wipes, etc. It is also found in foods, medicines, candies, cosmedics etc. It enables transfer of other chemicals through the skin. It may be this transfer characteristic actually at fault rather than the substance itself. If it serves to inflame the digestive tract or simply enable transfer of partially broken down glutin or casine from foods, then these molecules act as opiates suppressing developing parts of the brain associated with language, sensory, processing, etc. Since foods containing glutin and casine tend to be introduced at about the same time symptoms begin, this theory seems to make sense. The increased use of this substance tracks the increase in diagnosed autism. | |
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Posted: 2/18/2007 10:13:09 PM | I just saw a segment on the News saying that autism is linked to group of genes. Nothing to do with vaccines. Its some new breaking thing they have discovered.
Sorry, thats all I got from the Global News segment. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2007 8:44:19 AM |
Researchers at Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto and the Offord Centre for Child Studies say the finding is a major breakthrough in the effort to better understand the condition and to eventually improve treatment for patients.
The discovery was part of the largest genome scan ever attempted in autism research. Called the Autism Genome Project, the initiative involved 137 researchers from 50 institiutions in nine countries, including Canada.
Working together, the scientists were able to share samples, data, and expertise to analyze DNA from about 1,600 families worldwide.
They zeroed in on a special group of neurons and the genes affecting their development and function. They then used cutting-edge Copy Number Variation (CNV) analysis to look for genetic commonality as well as unique differences in autistic individual.
The scientists were able to implicate a previously unidentified region of chromosome 11, and neurexin 1, a member of a family of genes believed to be important in neuronal contact and communication.
The neurexin finding in particular highlights a special group of neurons, called glutamate neurons, that could play a critical role in autism spectrum disorders.
"The clinical implications of this discovery are unprecedented," said Dr. Peter Szatmari, director of the Offord Centre for Child Studies.
"Not only have we found which haystack the needle is in, we now know where in the haystack that needle is located.
Dr. Stephen Scherer, a senior scientist in Genetics and Genomic Biology at SickKids, was the first to discover the existence of common genetic variants and is delighted with the discoveries the consortium was able to make.
"We first used genome scanning technology to test genetic markers in autistic children and find regions in the genome linking to autism susceptibility genes," said Dr. Scherer, a senior scientist in Genetics and Genomic Biology at SickKids.
"By combining this with cutting edge CNV analysis we were able to reveal, for the first time, the genetic architecture underlying autism susceptibility."
The findings have been published online in the prestigious journal Nature Genetics.
Autism affects roughly one in 165 children, making it the most common form of any neurological disorder or severe developmental disability of childhood.
Those affected exhibit severe impairments in reciprocal social interaction and communication, and a preference for repetitive, stereotyped behaviours.
This story was just emailed to me... Lady Di - I don't think they are suggesting at all that vaccines have nothing to do with them. Most people who believe the vaccines play a factor believe that children have a Genetic Component.
And that the vaccines is mearly and environmental trigger in activation of the gene.. Kinda like you need a car will not run properly until you put the key in the ignition and turn it on.
In any event.. If they have found is correct.. Means we're on the right step in figuring out how Autism is created, and developed... And they might even be able to do a test to see if the gene is prevelant... And then decide from there how stuff like Shots will be administered... Ext... But KUDOS to the scientists... This is a remarkable find. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2007 8:50:25 AM | Thanks for the info Spiderham!
I didn't catch the whole story and am thankful you filled me in.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:38:22 PM | SpiderHam, did they do a blood test on your son to look for those genes? Because roughly 2 years ago they took blood samples from my 2 boys, but came out negative. Yet their Autism is heredatery, as their father has it.
There is a good book about the anatomical workings of an autistic mind I have been searching for, to pass it on to you, but have not been able to locate it again. Gives great info about how the brains are wired differently.
In college, I had a Biology teacher who was working with the artificial sweeteners and running tests. She informed us about the dangers of Neutrasweet and Aspartame on the nervous system, especially the brain. When women are pregnant, they are encouraged not to gain weight, so they drink those diet sodas and artificially sweeted everything, not realizing how damaging it is to the fetuses. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 12:09:45 AM |
SpiderHam, did they do a blood test on your son to look for those genes? Because roughly 2 years ago they took blood samples from my 2 boys, but came out negative. Yet their Autism is heredatery, as their father has it.
I'm a little unsure as to what a blood test would of proven 2 years ago.. They could of proven there were similar genetic markings between dad and child to prove paternity, but thats about it... There is no blood test for Autism yet. If there was, then it wouldn't be so much of a mystery as to what causes it still...
And I actually read a study somewhere, I'll see if I can track it down.. They were suggesting that the Gene itself may be getting passed down from Mother to child.. As there are many many cases of children with multiple fathers but the same mother, all being autistic... The suggestion was along the lines of Baldness... Baldness is passed from mother to son... And since the majority of Autistic children (something like 90%) are boys... maybe the genetic component is following the same lines.
I don't know the exact book you are talking about... But I have read many many books on the same issue.. And dealing with different physical ways in which the mind of autistic children, behave differently then normal children... The largest of which is simply in way neurons fire, or better Misfire in their case.. And how the immune systems for allot of these children are usually weaker then most children..
Which is where again the Vaccination holds allot of credit to me.. It's the disease itself that is causing the degradation in the Autoimmune system at a crucial stage in body development.. And as a result, affect both digestive, and brain chemistry... Which then as a result leads to things like Autism, ADD, ADHD, and Aspergers...
For all we know, the Gene mutation could be as a direct result of Global Pollution... And that with the increase of pollution, there are an increase of particles in the air we breath... And furthermore may have side effects on fetus when pregnant women breath it in... We truly simply still don't know what the cause is.. And everything at this point in time is an educated guess. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 2/23/2007 1:27:17 AM |
After reading this site...and alot of research on the web I have decided not to vaccinate my daughter with the 12...
Are you kidding me???? Information from a forum on a dating site and the internet is why you have decided about this medical decision for your child? Give your head a shake, because I am shaking mine. That is the most irresponsible statement I have ever read here.
See a physician and ASK. Then see a naturpathic physician and ASK. THEN make an informed decison after you have ALL of the FACTS. Millions of babies get immunized and suffer no effects. Those who do likely have underlying conditions or hereditary defect to begin with.
A lot of people believe ADD and ADHD are made up issues to explain a childs behaviour, behaviour which can usually be corrected with drastic changes to diet. But that is a different thread.
Point is you need to really make an informed choice, and your two sources thusfar are not enough to do so. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 9:43:40 PM |
Are you kidding me???? Information from a forum on a dating site and the internet is why you have decided about this medical decision for your child? Give your head a shake, because I am shaking mine. That is the most irresponsible statement I have ever read here.
I'm not quite sure how that is irresponsible... I could see if a person was basing their decision making process purely on this site alone... Ya.. that would be be wrong, and I would encourage people to seek out other well reputable sources of info.
I know of 2 Pediatric Physicians at Vancouver's Children's Hospital who have children, and have chosen not to vaccinate the child.. Are you suggesting that these doctors, who work with children, and childhood diseases everyday, and have over 15 years of EX each in pediatrics are foolish?
Some of these choices I think come down to a personal level. I personally would not simply skip the vaccination entirely... However after seeing the effects first hand, I know my next child will wait till about the age of 2 at the earliest before getting certain shots... Specifically the ones given out at the 8-12 months stage.
There is no harden fast rule that says simply because your child is of a certain age, you must get your child vaccinated.. The ages are the Earliest Possible time in which you are allowed to give them...
See a physician and ASK. Then see a naturpathic physician and ASK. THEN make an informed decison after you have ALL of the FACTS. Millions of babies get immunized and suffer no effects. Those who do likely have underlying conditions or hereditary defect to begin with.
A lot of people believe ADD and ADHD are made up issues to explain a childs behaviour, behaviour which can usually be corrected with drastic changes to diet. But that is a different thread.
Point is you need to really make an informed choice, and your two sources thusfar are not enough to do so.
I agree you need to research reputable sources before making a decision on the process.. However I have come to learn that just because a doctor recommends something, doesn't mean it's always the best course of action...
A good example is the GFCF diet... There are allot of Pediatricians who don't recommend parents of Autistic child ever use the diet, mine included. There reasons range from the kids not getting the proper nutrition, to there isn't enough medical evidence to prove it has any major effect...
However despite my doctor's advice, I tried it with my son... And within 48 hours of starting the diet my son went from sleeping 4-5 hours per night... To sleeping a full 8-10 hours... His meltdowns decreased 10 fold within a month... His concentration level increased 10 fold.. He was litterally a different kid within a few weeks of starting the diet...
Another good example.. Lorenzo's Oil... Do some research on it.. There was a wonderful movie on it as well.. Essentially this guy, against his doctors orders, decided he would try something with his son... And now it's well respected in medical circles as treatment for adrenoleukodystrophy (ALD).
To me until they know for sure it's a Gene causing it... And there is no way to escape it.. The research I've been reading would suggest that vaccinations might be the trigger for the gene to activate... And if waiting an extra year or so give the vaccination will mean the difference between a normal childhood, or an Autistic Childhood.. I'll wait the year. | |
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