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Posted: 2/23/2007 11:10:01 PM | I am a Registered Nurse, and I know that as soon as many of you read that you will assume that I am all for conventional medicine and that nothing else is better....that is not the case, I am a person who bases not only my medical practice but my beliefs on substantiated, scholarly (which means highly reviewed, recent, and credible) evidence. The vaccines of today have not shown any strong correlation or link to Autism, and the major factor is this: Many believe that mercury is a cause of Autism and thus, the fear of mercury-containing vaccinations. However, today's vaccinations, thanks to advances in medical science in regards to preservation, do not contain the significant amounts of mercury that would lead to a cause in Autism (even when 1 or more vaccinations are given at the same time), in fact, almost all vaccines that are administered DO NOT contain mercury, as a result of it being a poor means of preserving a live culture. As all scholarly studies have shown, the risk of "getting" Autism from vaccines is not even a high or realistic possibility. However, the risk of being diagnosed with whooping cough, meningitis, or polio (to name just a very few) are great.
I guess my point is this, when you work as a nurse in a children's hospital and you have a kid who comes in with a fever through the roof, in an intese amount of physical pain, and near death (this has actually happened in my experience, more times than I care to remember), and the resulting diagnosis is whooping cough, where the child must go through a painful and potentially scarring experience in a hospital all because the parents thought that they were saving their child from something that was not even a factor in what they were avoiding (the vaccine) then you have to give your head a shake......it's disturbing to me. Not to mention, the thousands of health care dollars spent on this treatment, where in most cases cannot be afforded!
Education is the key, and people need to question their sources, where, who and how was the study done.
Also, we have better screening methods for Autism than we have ever had in the past, so.....is it an increase in cases, or better screening methods than before?????????? that is the million dollar question!
Something to think about....but just remember how many people are put at risk when children are not vaccinated......there's a reason polio isn't a major epidemic in our country (Canada). | |
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Posted: 2/24/2007 5:14:54 AM | My oldest child has Asperger's Syndrome or High Functioning Autism. My younger 2 have no evidence of the disability. 10 years ago, the cases of Autism diagnosed were 1 in 10,000. Now that we have more diagnostic tools available, the cases diagnosed are 1 in 166. I too thought at one time that the mercury might have played a role in his disability, but quickly ruled it out on the premise that if it caused it in one child why not every child? I teach children with different levels of Autism. I always read anything new coming out about research, cures, treatment, etc. There has been research recently that confirms that Autsim is related to a gene, and it can affect one child as easily as an entire family of children. If you are interested in anything related to Autism, please visit. www.autismspeaks.org.  | |
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Posted: 2/24/2007 10:27:18 AM | Pinklollipop:
One of the reasons Mercury was suspected in Autism Link, had to do with the effects of Mercury Poisoning in comparison to Autism.
http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, they give a pretty realistic comparison as to how they are similar.. And note that they pretty much cause the same effects in a person.. Slight alterations, but enough to see where people got the idea from.
Now the argument has very little to do with the Mercury in the vaccinations as you have said, and many others, it's been pretty much ruled eliminated from vaccinations as a whole. Now there is some evidence to suggest that maybe it's the disease itself contained inside the vaccination.
There has been some evidence to support the idea that for allot of these kids, earlier on in life their immune systems are not as up to speed at regular kids.. And so the vaccination may not be the direct cause, but still may play a role.
When giving a person a vaccination you are in essence infecting them with the disease. And though it may be a scale down version, and be missing some of the major RNA components that give it the ability to replicate rapidly... and also be infectious, it's still a disease none the less..
Genetics is a large part of it... However, there has to be an environmental factor that sets it off.. One case that was noted in Finland, was with a set of Identical twins. By chance during the time that the MMR vaccination was given, one of the twins had a serious cold going on.. So they could not vaccinate that child then... But the other one was still vaccinated.
Then an alarming thing happened within a few months... 1 of the twins started to regress into Autism, and the other did not.. The thought was that if they were identical, why didn't they both regress into Autism.. So they had to look back over the life of the 2 kids up until then.. And the only thing that was different was the timing of the MMR vaccination... 1 child received it 6 months later then the other... And the one who received it 6 months later is a normal child.
I don't believe that vaccinations are the Cause of Autism... And I would not stop the vaccinations from happening overall.. However I would strongly suggest either getting the MMR vaccinations seperated, or wait till about the age of 2 before administering them to allow the body to build up more of a natural defense first. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2007 11:06:14 AM | | The reason people think that think vaccines give kids autism is the fact that they used to use mercury in the fluid. They no longer do that in Canada!!! | |
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Posted: 2/24/2007 12:04:11 PM | Halimomma:
That was the old reasoning, and it was based on fact that Mercury Poisoning closely resembles the effects of Autism.. And also after chelation therapy on a quite a few autism kids, there was almost an awakening of them out of there shell.
Once the mercury started being removed from the vaccinations... But the effects were still being noticed to come around, shortly after the receiving of a vaccination... There started to develop new ideas about the vaccinations...
As I listed before one of the cases from Finland, where they use the same vaccination standards as here in Canada, was found after mercury was being removed.. Another researcher in the US after conducting some medical tests on Autistic kids, found a very common thing.. A less developed digestive system... And even further upon closer examination, it was found that these kids had the same strain of measles contained in the digestive tract, that is used in the vaccinations..
The theory as to why it was still alive, and even causing some effect was that essentially the body in trying to fight off the infection after receiving the vaccination, did not complete the job... Or was to slow in fighting it off before it caused some major side effects... | |
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Posted: 2/24/2007 6:12:23 PM | Spiderham: I see what you are saying, but it is still not significantly substantiated by evidence; scientific for that matter. In the case of the twins, there is no data to definitively correlate that the twin who developed Autism, developed it as a result of the vaccine! Also, if it was as you stated "believed to be caused by the virus it self" then wouldn't parents be placing children in direct risk of developing Autism by not vaccinating (although, I do not agree that the vaccine viruses can contain cause for Autism; I am rather just trying to make a point!) I would like to make another point to question the ethics of the very study that you chose to highlight (the twins). The doctors decided not to administer the vaccine to the one child due to a cold.......well, as I have recently learned through research with physicians THERE IS NO DATA TO SUPPORT HARM TO AN INFANT/CHILD IN ADMINISTERING A VACCINE WHEN A CHILD HAS A COLD. This is simply a common misconception. So, point being, if these doctors did not even know this basic medical knowledge, who is to say that their findings in regards to Autism cause were even relevant, or correct!
>>"However I would strongly suggest either getting the MMR vaccinations seperated, or wait till about the age of 2 before administering them to allow the body to build up more of a natural defense first".<<
This was stated in your last post......the body CAN NOT develop a "natural defense" to MMR, thus the rational for vaccinations, and waiting until 2 defeats the larger purpose of protecting those children/infants aged 2 and younger from the disease, or any older/younger siblings or kids that may interact with them.
What exactly is the rational for the "seperation"? the fact that measles were found in the digestive tract of the child who had the vaccine....OF COURSE THERE WAS!!!! OF COURSE IT WAS THE SAME STRAIN....THUS THE VACCINE! a less developed digestive system has nothing to do with a vaccine as well, as they are administered IM (intramuscularly) and would not be given orally! polio may have been given orally in the past, but not today! So, the reason it was in the digestive tract, I would have to see the actual study to see what parameters and controls were used with the child, not to mention the child pre-study. Extraneous factors need to be seen for understanding of this.
Anyways, point being, for myself and others to be convinced I believe that everyone should question sources and studies carefully as you do not know their reliability. I am going from personal and academic experience on this issue.
I read the article you referenced, and case-in-point for an article that has no referencing to studies, physicians, or even dates...not scholarly, and for that matter not reliable as a trustworthy source, I scoured that article for referencing and there was none. Any Tom,**** or Harry can place an article like that on the net and state it is gospel. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 9:42:16 AM | pinklollipop:
I think you have been misreading what I have been saying...At no point in time have I suggested that the Vaccine is sole cause of Autism.. But rather a trigger... Meaning Genetics plays a large part in it to me. The vaccine is like a environmental trigger that more or less activates the gene..
And I didn't say build up an immunity to the the MMR vacciniation... Otherwise I would suggest not getting the vaccination, as it would defeat the purpose of the vaccine. If you could build up an immunity on your own, without the vaccine, we wouldn't need them in the first place.
What I was suggesting is the immune system in allot of these children with Autism matures at a slower rate of development then normal children.. So as a result, normal children may show no signs of side effects from the vaccination... As I didn't when I was a kid.. However ASD kids, who's immune system isn't quite up to snuff yet, may be allot slower in fighting off the virus..
And even though the virus is scaled down version... It's still the virus.. And the virus causes some damage before if it fully fought off... And stuff like the measles has known to cause meningitis to dead in it's full form... Why is it so hard to fathom a scaled down version of it, might lead to other disorders, if the body is not fully ready for it.
I would suggest waiting an extra year for the vaccination... Give the young body enough time to develop to a point where accepting on a vaccination it is strong enough to fight it off... Again one thing to note, the ages at which vaccines are administered are suggested EARLIEST ages... Not that if you wait an extra year your child is going drop dead...
To me you have just as much chance of catching stuff contained in the MMR vaccination before it's given, as opposed to after it's given.. And allot of the chance is more based on the living environment of the child.. So waiting an extra year is not going to adversely effect a child.
My rational for separating the MMR is very simple.. Can you do 3 things at the same time? Can you interact with 3 different people simultaneously? I'm guessing not.. And now if the immune system is not quite up to snuff when receiving the vaccinations, what makes you think the body can fight off 3 different diseases at the same time...
So if you separate them, and administer them in 2-3 month intervals... It gives the body the chance to figh each one, alone. And you can get the vaccinations separated... You just usually have to pay for it, as it the 3 combined in the MMR vaccine is cheapest way for the government to administer it.. And again to me... If paying the few hundred dollars for it now, will make the difference, then so be it. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 10:55:39 AM | Spiderham:
hey.....was not trying to offend, but clearly we are not even discussing the same point of the matter.....I guess what I am trying to say is that, although in theory I see and understand the rationale behind your ideas, and can see the logic behind them....there is no conclusive data to support this. This has been considered in studies, but nothing has come of the studies to support the very claims that you are arguing (i.e seperating MMR, and vaccines triggering autism). This is a strong topic of discussion where all parties will have equally important opinions, and I think that we may have to agree to disagree here......
Thanks for bringing in another point of view though, as an individual that enjoys to research and study this type of matter, I appreciate it!
Have a great day :) | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 12:16:35 PM | Pink:
Oh I don't take offense to allot of things in here.. I to enjoy allot of good open discussion about subjects and points of view... As far as not having data to support my idea... Well I would beg to differ..
I am a parent of a Autistic Child... And I know many other parents of ASD children.. And if you listen to their stories as to how things progressed, they all sound the same. Almost every parent I know will tell you they're child was developing just fine... Was even developing language skills like mine... My son just months before his diagnosis was forming words, and even combining words... Also was very interactive with his environment, and other people... And then all of the sudden started closing off from everything around him, and sunk into his own little world.
And if you look at the time line with myself, and allot of other parents... It all seemed to happen at the same time... And even further I have heard of cases of the child being 4 before receiving vaccinations, and then within a few months of receiving them, developed ASD tendencies...
Even further to this... ASD is one of the fastest growing disorders among children in the developed world... But I saw one stats comparing the rate of growth, in comparison to the population of each country..
In places where these vaccines are standard for all children, and free distributed, the rate of climb of ASD kids is higher, then in countries where the vaccines are not freely distributed on a per capita basis... Or % of the child population.
One of the problems with medical studies, it bases the findings on what we currently understand.. And also sometimes you have to look at the funding sources, and who is actually included as experts in some of these studies... And the questions they are looking to answer...
Most of the studies if you look at them, were asking 1 question. Does vaccination cause Autism? Thats it... everything else was irrelevant.. to their scope of interest in that particular study... Also the allot of the funding for such studies came from Pharma companies.. Not to suggest they were trying to cover up anything, but it has been known to happen in the past..
A very good example of exactly what I'm speaking about is again Lorenzo's Oil... Do some research on the history of development of this stuff... It was litteraly 1 father going into countless hours of research.. Having the established medical community tell him his ideas were rubbish... And that because he wasn't a MD, he couldn't possibly know what he was talking about...
Well almost 2 decades later, It's widely accepted by much of the medical community as a very viable treatment. Yet still to this day many many insurance companies will not pay for the treatment as it is expensive..
Another good example is the GFCF diet.. My own pediatrician was fully against the idea of me trying the diet, and declared it would have no effect in my son... So it was pointless to try.. Yet within 48 hours of starting the diet, he slept through the night... within a week, he started to speak more.. Within a month, he was totally different kid then what we knew before...
The medical community still for the most part is against the GFCF diet, for ASD kids, as it does nothing for the Autism itself.. And they are correct in saying that... However it did wonders in allowing him to calm down, and concenrate more... Which allowed stuff like the therapy we were doing to take more effect... It allowed us in some regards to gain our son back... | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 1:24:23 PM | ''Vaccination is big money''
In the Dec. 1994 Medical Post, Canadian author of the best seller book, The Medical Mafia, Guylaine Lanctot, MD, stated, the medical authorities keep lying.
Vaccination has been a dissaster on the immune system.
It acctually causes illness.
We are acctually changing our genetic code through vaccinations...
100 years from now, we will know that the biggest crime against humanity was vaccines...
Entire professional organizations are speaking out.
Criticisms of vaccines are being sounded by an increasing number of reputable, credible scientists, researchers and self educated parents from around the world...
The medical systems are controlled by financiers in order to serve financiers.
Since you cannot serve people unless they are sick.
The whole medical system is designed to make people sicker and sicker...
Trust Us WE're Experts
is a book which explores the effects of big money on advisory boards, universities and scientific journals,,,
The people who officially advise government agencies whether or not to force Americans to submit to vaccines, should not be on the payroll of the corporations that profit from those government mandates... | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 3:59:32 PM | My Nephew is autistic, he had the MMR vaccine... our whole family believes its linked whether medical experts say otherwise or not. We know how he bahved and how well he could talk, sing, etc before he had the vaccine.. within days of having it, it was like flicking a switch to the real world, it turned him off. Now he has limited speech, is very hyperactive, doesnt like affection and is becoming harder to deal with everyday. He will need care for the rest of his life and will never be independant. Now if you could only see how he was before the MMR and after it, you would agree with us linking the two together. I believe that some babies immune systems are just not able to cope with 3 live vaccines and its like parts of them just "shut off".
It's heartbreaking to see my nephew and think of the life he could have had.
I haven't had my 6 year old daughter immunised with this vaccine and i have no plans to either.
The government will NEVER admit to a link with this either as the amounts of compensation they would have to pay out would be astronomical. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 5:54:43 PM | EddyJ:
I'm not sure to suggest the entire Gov, and medical community trying to ensure the people become sicker and sicker... That would be an utter insult to the thousands of Doctors and Nurses out there that give their blood, sweat, and tears into making patients better...
However one thing I do know is that the Medical community at large is very resistant to change in their medium... Take a look at naturopathic medicine... Use of things other then manufactured drugs to treat an illness... 20 years ago, the Medicare here in Canada would refuse to fund such things... So people were forced to pay for it on their own..
Now, they have gone as far to start allowing Medical Marijuana for patients suffering from chronic pain... 100 years ago the thought of trying to even treat stuff like Autism in the fashion we do now through intensive therapy, would of been simply appalled.. 100 years ago, we would of insisted in simply sterilizing these people to ensure they could not reproduce, and thrown them into the asylums in deplorable conditions..
But medicine has advanced... Our understanding of the human psychy has evolved.. Our acceptance of alternative medicines has relaxed... And logic would dictate that it would continue to do so..
Anytime a new idea is introduced to the Medical community at large that would indicate something they are doing is actually having a bad side effect... It is quickly rejected as hogwash... As how can that be? They are experts in their fields... And have years of experience to backup themselves up with... | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 7:12:35 PM | Eddy J:
in regards to your comment: "The whole medical system is designed to make people sicker and sicker..." I am an RN and I find that disgusting that you would say something like that to people who want others to become well.....medical professionals put in countless hours (of overtime, at that!) to ensure that our patients are getting better, or we are helping them in one way or another.
That comment allowed me to see you for what you are....an inconsiderate, ungrateful individual. I wonder if the next time you get severly ill if you will view those treating you as trying to get you "sicker and sicker". Open your eyes!
It's sad we have idiots like you in our world! | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 7:16:54 PM | Spiderham:
Thanks for not taking offense! I was glad to hear your point of view, you gave me an enlightened conversation! :)
I am sorry to hear about your son, and I am glad to hear that you have found methods that have worked, most importantly, for him but you aswell!
I have taken care of many Autistic children and I find that once you have found that "secret way" to calm them down and make them comfortable you are SO HAPPY for that child!
good luck to you and your son! | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 2:17:17 AM | [1 of the twins started to regress into Autism, and the other did not.. The thought was that if they were identical, why didn't they both regress into Autism...]
Spiderham, there has been several studies w/ identical twins, and not all develop the same mentally. Schizophrenia is one of them, where they had everything the same and then when they start maturing in their late teens, the symptoms start for just one. The same w/ Autistic twins, one has different severity of symptoms from the other, yet they are both Autistic. Same goes for one being autistic and one completelly normal, they have different brains.
About the blood test, San Diego Children's Hospital was conducting a test to find out how many children had a common gene. This was 2 years ago.
About Mothers carrying the gene, I could agree on that, might be a possibility, YOU SEE I HAVE 3 CHILDREN with Autism. One is 18 and a Math whiz, one is 11 and a walking little enciclopedia of facts, they are both Asperger's, and they where both misdiagnozed for years. They both talk like there was no tomorrow, they get in trouble a lot, and both are know it all smart asses. After reading your profile, it struck me, you sound like you have ADHD (some say it's the same as Asperger's), now don't take this bad, but you projected that to me.
My third Son was born w/ neonatal hypoxia, because of the umbilical cord. His Autism is more notisable. He has speech impediments. They all have ADHD.
What they all have in common, is that at certain stages of growth, their Autism/ADHD started showing, between 1 1/2 and two, I saw mayor changes in behaviour, between 3 1/2 to 4, saw another change, this time in hyperactivity. At 7 to 8, it was consentration and perspectives on reality. On the pre-teen years, fustrations , agression.
It is seldom one knows what to look for in Autistic babies, it is not until the socialization starts that one starts notizing abnormalities, and then many are missed by inexpirience. EACH AUTISTC CHILD IS AS INDIVIDUAL AS HIS SYPTOMS, there are no two autistic children alike. As they grow older, the Autism is more notizable.
If you have read the Anatomy of an Autistic childs brain, you will know that the blood supply is lesser, the neurotransmiters don't shot properly because of the chemical inbalances (to much dopamine and serotonin), and the part of the brain that involves speech is not developed properly (temporal lobe).
Most children (note: not all) w/ Autism are predisposed w/ the disorder, and the vaccinations are not going to cause the disorder. There are other causes too, maternal rubella, untreated phenylketonuria,tuberous sclerosis, anoxia during birth, encephalitis, infantile spasms and fragile X syndrome. Brain disfunction can also be caused by trauma, structural abnormalities and yes, disease. Extremelly high fevers cause brain damage.
You pass yourself as an expert on Autism, yet, have you studied Psycology, Medicine?
How can you advise parents not to vaccinate their children? You are endangering children!
P.S.Rubella is the one to worry about if your child has a defective inmune system. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 5:05:57 AM | I don't think Spiderham is telling people to NOT vaccinate their children, he's saying to look at all the consequences from vaccinating and not vaccinating them. He has also said that you should get your child vaccinated with the MMR, but a couple months after they are supposed tog et it so their bodies can develope a little more and be better able to handle it. Also he has said in anopther post that he is "far from an expert". Before jumping into a conversation please read the other posts.
P.s. Everyone Thanks for keeping this post alive it is getting closer and closer to my sons MMR vaccine and you have all given me soo much information. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 11:20:16 AM |
Most children (note: not all) w/ Autism are predisposed w/ the disorder, and the vaccinations are not going to cause the disorder. There are other causes too, maternal rubella, untreated phenylketonuria,tuberous sclerosis, anoxia during birth, encephalitis, infantile spasms and fragile X syndrome. Brain disfunction can also be caused by trauma, structural abnormalities and yes, disease. Extremelly high fevers cause brain damage.
You pass yourself as an expert on Autism, yet, have you studied Psycology, Medicine?
How can you advise parents not to vaccinate their children? You are endangering children!
Well first of all I have never passed myself off as an expert.. I don't know everything there is to know about Autism.. However if you want to know... I hold a BA in Psych, and was part of a couple of large research projects on Autism, Have worked with in home ABA programs off and on for roughly 8-10 years now... Including doing some minor ABA consulting. On top of all that I the proud parent of an Autistic child.. of on 7 years of age.. And even for myself, with 4-5 years of experience before the diagnosis of my son... Until he was handed the diagnosis it never crossed my mind as a possibility for the behaviour... And even spent close 6-7 months after the diagnosis, trying to disprove the Experts....
I base allot of what I'm saying off studies which I have read, and antidotal evidence which I have collected throughout the years in my dealings of of well over 50-60 different families... And the hundreds of other parents which I have met online.
I like to think of myself as a Logical thinker.. Don't simply jump to a conclusion without trying to think of all side of the coin... And I'll be the first to say, what I have suggested could be totally wrong... And if I am, then so be it... As I would love to be proven wrong, and be shown a more concrete reason as to how Autism is coming about..
And you are right... There could be a variety of reasons as to why Autism, ADD, ADHD are being caused.. And I to agree that there is a large Genetic Link to Autism... I have never suggested otherwise... And I have not suggest the vaccination is the cause of Autism... Simply a would be trigger, that sets things in motion, that then exploits the mutated Gene..
And also, again... I have never suggested to not get the vaccination.. Further can be from the truth... I believe in Vaccinations as much as the next person... They do serve a real purpose in modern society... However the only thing I have ever suggested is waiting an extra year to administer the MMR vaccination... Or attempting to have them separated, and administered at different times... maybe 3-4 month intervals... Why? To allow the immune system to develop more on it's own, and become stronger before subjecting them to the vaccinations...
I know my next child, knowing what I know now... I will be waiting to get the vaccinations for him/her.. As most of the diseases the vaccinations are meant to prevent... You have as much chance of contracting them in North America in the 12 months before they are given, as in the 12 months after the vaccination... And most of the contraction is based more on environment exposure of the children, then it is anything else. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 11:49:02 AM |
After reading your profile, it struck me, you sound like you have ADHD (some say it's the same as Asperger's), now don't take this bad, but you projected that to me.
Sorry.. tried to post this with my other post... But for some reason, it didn't show up.. So I'm trying again... My own mother, after experiencing my son, and thinking back to when I was a child, strongly believes that I had a form of Autism myself.
My own brother will be one of the first to attest to the fact that he has trouble concentrating on things for more then 5-10 min... And although he's never been officially diagnosed, I can see Adult ADD in him. And have told him there are theraputic methods to help him out some... But he refuses to try any of them, as he doesn't think there is anything wrong... And it's simply more of Mind over Matter for him, and he can simply will himself through something. So the possibility of me having it... I wouldn't doubt it. But I to have never sought out a diagnosis on myself... As it doesn't effect my everyday life.
If you have read the Anatomy of an Autistic childs brain, you will know that the blood supply is lesser, the neurotransmiters don't shot properly because of the chemical inbalances (to much dopamine and serotonin), and the part of the brain that involves speech is not developed properly (temporal lobe).
I have read that book, very interesting read. Has some info in it, that I base some of my theory off of.. And in particular the exactly what you have suggested.. The question I ask though. Why?
Unless we start conducting a comprehensive study on all children born... And examine the brain chemistry of each child... We truly won't know if this is something from birth. As the book title would suggest. We are looking at the brains of Autistic children... Meaning they have already been diagnosed...
And sure they are comparing it to a normally developed brain of the same age.. But again one of the questions raised... Was it always like that? Or was there something that caused this mutation to occur.. Some environmental factor played a hand in it perhaps..
Perhaps it was a disease of some sort.. Perhaps it was simply being exposed to the sin for 2 long... But the reasons why Vaccinations can't simply be dismissed is because it's one of the few things that well 90% of these children seem to have in common, within the same time frame of the onset of symptoms... And it's a fairly logical step to think that maybe there is something going on.. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 10:17:46 AM | Vaccines that contained mercury has a preservative did this: overwhelmed body's natural ability to 'reduce' mercury = remove it.
How is it removed? It's valence state is 'reduced' (a chemical term that for metallic and metallic like elements, means that its made less soluble in the blood, where it can be filtered out by the liver (bound to a carrier compound), and excreted/dumped to large colon, for exit from the body.
What does this: selenium, a naturally occurring element found in fresh vegetables. Some parts of the country have soils low in selenium.
Autistic kids and adults have low selenium levels in their cells.
What else needs selenium?
Glutathione.
Autistic kids don't make sufficient glutathione.
How is glutathione made and where?
Its made in the liver. Its a natural and very potent antioxidant. Its also necessary for thyroid function. Selenium is the key element in the center of the enzyme complex that recycles glutathione from its oxidized state to its reduced state.
In order for an antioxidant (oxidant scrubber) to work, it must be in this reduced state.
So, in order for glutathione to be functional, there must be sufficient selenium in the body for its frequent recycling back to a reduced state, where it once again functions as an antioxidant.
Why isn't glutathione made in sufficient quantities in the first place?
Autistic kids have a problem combining amino acids to form glutathione.
Glutathione is a combination of 3 amino acids (called a tripeptide), composed of glutamate, cysteine and glycine.
Autistic kids lack the cofactors necessary to form glutathione in proper quantities in liver.
Autistics also have a problem using glutamate.
In the brain, glutamate is unique: it is both a key energy source for brain cells and a neurochemical, a very important one. Its called an excitatory neurochemical because it stimulated release of calcium. Calcium itself then stimulates other actions - and is therefore called a 'second messenger'.
Calcium is counterbalanced by magnesium.
Autistics have improper magnesium absorption in the gut. They are low in magnesium.
Excess glutamate and excess calcium = frakked up cellular funtion in the entire central nervous system, but its worst in brain.
Excess glutamate builds up because an important enzyme needed to remove it is also present in low quantities in autistic kids: glutamate dehydrogenase (GAD).
GAD gene coding varies in the general population. One common form causes it to be less efficient. GAD activity is therefore inefficient in about 40% of the population, including autistic patient, adults and kids.
Therefore - its GLUTAMATE that is primarily FRAKKED UP in autistics, because of problems in liver function related to glutathione and glutamate metabolism, caused by:
low absorption of B6 and B12, zinc, vitamin D and vitamin C.
Thus, autism can be partially or totally corrected by micronutrient therapy.
Australian physicians have been successfully treating autistics children for more than a decade using a carefully phased program of:
nutritional supplements + behavioral therapy + sleep regulation + dietary corrections
The website mentioned earlier, cites a gene:
http://www.autismspeaks.org./press/agp_results.php
called neurexin 1.
From that webpage:
Neurxin1 is a member of a family of genes believed to be important in neuronal contact and communication, among other regions and genes in the genome. The neurexin finding in particular highlights a special group of neurons, called glutamate neurons, and the genes affecting their development and function, suggesting they play a critical role in autism spectrum disorders. .
See? Glutamate excess in these neurons cases improper contact and communication.
Translation: the neurons OVERFIRE. The term is: excito-toxicity.
Excess glutamate causes excitotoxicity. Glutamate excess can be controlled by partially or totally correcting the vitamin and mineral deficiencies related to improper biochemical pathway metabolism in liver and brain.
SpiderHam't posts are generally correct. I am filling in the blanks for parents, as a public service message.
http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/condition.php?condition=Autism | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 11:03:14 AM | Sombient:
Thanks... I have never been really good at remembering the finer points of the biology side of things... I know there is even more then what you've explained in there.. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 11:10:30 AM | | Yes, there is more. I was trying to keep the reply as uncomplicated as possible. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 12:46:47 PM | In reviewing a lot of the postings on here is it sad to say that not one of the comments I read put the child first. Everyone spoke of the autistic child or person. They are people first lets treat them with respect. Acknowledging that they are wonderful children, friends and members of families first speaks volumes.
Speaking of a child with autism or a person with autism is a much more positive way of referring to this population.
Another thought, has anyone referred to the flu shot that millions of people get every year?
What does the flu shot contain? You guessed it mercury! Thoughts on that one? | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 3:23:34 PM | simone:
I'm a little unsure what you mean that we are trying to put the child first... I felt it was exact opposite... The whole reason for the discussion is to try and discuss which is best for our kids.
As far as the flu shots... Well those I don't think are ever being considered, since we don't give them to children below the age of 5. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 4:38:14 PM | The point I was trying to make is that autism is all that and more. Autism is a neurological disorder but it is not the end of the world. There are many many successful people with autism. Proper intervention is key. All I am saying is there are three main areas affected by autism lets not forget the person is a person first. Just don't discount the fact that all the behaviours they may exhibit are due to autism.
And yes, children under 5 do get the flu shot. In both Canada and the US. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 4:45:44 PM | OOOPS!
I meant to say all behaviours are NOT a result of autism. | |
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