| | The War on Drugs Is a SCAMPage 4 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | He said you have a duty to stay healthy, that you had no rights to your own body, and that it belonged to the state.
Ya and he is Dead too...................... | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/9/2005 7:09:26 PM | | My point being that the state has no right to stop me from destroying my own body | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/14/2005 6:01:24 PM | @Shan- I agree with you again. This is scaring me... Alcohol kills alot more people. Prohibition is bad.
I've done other drugs beofore. The gateway wasn't pot, though. It was a girl I knew named Christine. Who didn't smoke pot, either. But I don't like those drugs. I like to just smoke. And if pot was SUCH a bad thing, then there wouldn't be states trying to make it legal for medicinal use.There wouldn't be a movement to get the federal government out of that picture, and let the states decide whether or not to use it medicinally. (please go to www.norml.org to sign the petition for those that are for it!!)
What drives me mad are the states like Florida that have a zero tolerance for drugs classifing crack as bad as pot. Sorry, but it's just not the same ballpark. Not the same sport, even. I don't like that my tax dollars are going towards incarcerating potheads. And I mean just the ones who smoke pot, not necessarily the ones who use other drugs. Possession, which is illegal in all states according to the federal govt., in my opinion should be a ticketabl;e offence, like speeding. I'm not sure what the laws are in other states ,but in Oklahoma where I'm originally from you can practically get a million DUI's before your license is revoked, and or doing jail time. But get caught with something like a couple grams (keeping in mind that in Okie land, you get really crappy stuff with alot of seeds, so it's not realy that much) you go to jail. You do not collect $200. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/14/2005 6:43:38 PM | | just be patient folks... if alcohol can be made legal, pot will follow in due time. until then... don't get caught with more than is legal and you won't have a thing to worry about. i don't smoke pot anymore, haven't since 1991 or so but if that's what floats your boat, have at it... just be careful. people really need to learn the art of picking their battles... this is a losing "fight". | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/16/2005 7:54:46 AM | indicalover, I think you've pointed out the real gateway to drugs...
The gateway wasn't pot, though. It was a girl I knew named Christine. Peer Pressure! How do you "experiement" with Crack or Horse or whatever, unless you "know" someone who can get it for you? | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/16/2005 8:33:36 AM | Hi I have worked with many teens and the issue is always the same - as long as they have access to them they will try them ! The rate at which they are available now these days is incredible here in Canada! Way too many kids are doing the hard drugs - if drugs were legal - it just may cut down on the availability to kids - something has to be done to save these children - these are the kids who will be taking care of me when I go into a retirement home someday - very scary thought !
How do we try to save them from this awful life of drug induced thinking ? I like the fact of legalization. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/17/2005 6:34:21 AM | i don't think legalizing all drugs is the solution. this all starts at home with your own children. you can only be responsible for teaching your own children, at a young age, that drugs can kill. and no matter how much you teach them, the majority of them will try something at some point in their life anyway. the curiosity is too much for them and they need to see for themselves. problem with that is... it only takes using something once to kill yourself.
if our schools were able to administer a much more graphic anti-drug program, that might add to the detourants we set up in our childrens lives. we have a "scared straight" program in los angeles but in order to attend that program, you have to have already been convicted of driving under the influence. we're waiting too long to administer these programs. kids needs to see the horrific consequences drugs cause at a much more impressionable age for these programs to be successful in keeping our kids off drugs. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 12/14/2005 3:17:53 PM | I think you are wrong as you could be. here is my opinion (and just my opinion): we are losing the war on drugs because every citizen is not stepping up to the plate and pitching in. During world war two the whole country stepped up and worked toward the war effort. Woman went to work for the first time, our factories changed their machines so they could pump put war realted items. To win a war it take the whole counrty to pitch in and we just don't have that with the war on drugs. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 12/15/2005 7:17:39 AM | | And that would be because a large protion of the population do not believe the Scam. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 7/3/2006 4:41:29 PM | Of course its a scam with the CIA and federa government being the biggest importer of illegal drugs into the country. Tha is not even taking into account that the was on drugs is itself illegal and unconstituional. If the alcohol prohibition took a constitutional amendment they wh didn't the war on drugs?
I usually ask someone that is for the war on drugs the question:
How much violence are you personaly comfortable with using to keep someone from smoking a joint?
Somtimes that makes a light go on in their head.... sometimes not. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 7/5/2006 7:01:47 AM | | The war on drugs was designed to be exactly the way it is, the cia and other orgs have been caught pedling drugs and producing drugs for the citizens, from their point of view it is important to have a "drug war" because through "problem reaction solution" we can create free social labor, the police state, more funding in every sector of security and customs, mind control, dissafected youth, also it is a means to tax the nation, and that just for starters. go to inforwars dot com for all the info and alternative news also prison planet dot com. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 8/14/2006 9:04:35 PM | Left and Right will debate all day yet they fall for the same bottle of placebos.
One is Gun Control and the other is The War on Drugs.
Method; Take an object or substance and assign it human qualities. Then make it more illegal. Avoid people with first hand experience..ie..police who have spent time on the street or people from AA or NA who have openly talked about their "gateway" into abuse. Be sure not to ask those people who have first hand experience for solutions. And be sure to assume that all alcoholics and addicts want to stop. And assume that all gun owners are criminals. Remember always to generalize. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 8/14/2006 9:42:21 PM | Hey, all:
Yes, the War on Drugs is a scam. Part of the larger private professional prison industry. Ever heard of the Privatization Network? No?
Try this:
http://www.privatemanagement.net/
Welcome to the world of companies RUNNING PRISONS FOR PROFIT in the U.S.!
On all levels--city, county, state, Federal, even international.
And of course, a growing business needs plenty of customers, therefore, among others, criminal penalties for drug use, possession, etc., on all levels from supposedly outraged legislators on all levels.
As far as I am concerned all of them are corporate whores who practice the worst form of prostitution possible.
And the public pays. It is called the corporate oligarchy. Vote the mother fu ckers out.
David
Messages done with sustainable energy, with Wind and Sun! | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 8/14/2006 10:41:28 PM | Prohibitions are designed to create Millionaires and to provide "Black Money" for the Govt's illegal operations, just as Reccessions and Depressions are engineered to return the Money to it's rightful owner's.
When a War on "Something" ie Poverty, Drugs, Illitercy, Illegal Immigration or Terrorism is declared we get more of it, Ad Infinitum. "Golly gee whiz we just can't seem to get handle on the problem Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer." Keep em scared and keep em consuming.
When a War on "Somebody" is declared ie Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussien et al the issue is concluded quickly (except Buddy Bin-Laden [[another story for another blood soaked day]] but don't be suprised when you-know-whos families construction company is going to be instumental in rebuilding most of Lebanon!)
Remember the first victim in War is truth! "Suspecto origio"=Suspect the origins! | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 4/15/2007 4:55:56 PM | | looks like to me the biggest drugs are money and jobs. tho as a former addict and on the methadone i should agree with drug enforcement i dont, and in the end this is all political prattle about cash. none of this matters in the end.... | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 4/15/2007 9:27:19 PM | OP on the Government side you forgot the CIA actually running drugs ... a bit contradictory for a government to decry illegal drugs while at the same time profiting from them. As long as everyones attention is focused on any heatted topic that they have no intention of solving it is easier to do as they please and not raise much fuss.
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/blum1.html | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 4/22/2007 3:00:49 AM | Many have posted economic and social reasons for legalizing drugs, but few have really stopped to look at the cost to humanity as a whole.
The point that ricburts makes about his wife and Meth, is all too common, and there here are far too many displaced children in our society as a result of drug abuse and addiction. It has nothing to do with drugs not being legal. It has everything to do with the effect that drugs have on ones mental state. Most people who are hardcore addicts care for nothing or no one.
The simple truth is that if people want to do that to their minds and bodies it should be their choice to do so.
That casual thinking goes right out of the door once you watch two drug addicted babies born into your own family- - babies who are unable to hold food on their stomachs and do nothing but cry for the first 8 months of their lives as they go through withdrawals. These “babies” are now 17 and 19 years old, both with mental and emotional problems as a result of the drugs that affected they brains before birth. There are MANY more stories like this. Many of these children end up in the system, with your and my tax dollars supporting them. And do you honestly think that legalizing drugs will make addicts capable of holding a job to support their habit? Not even. They will continue to rob your and my grandmother to support their habits. Drug addiction is NOT victimless.
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 4/22/2007 5:49:21 PM | Law Enforcement Against Prohibition www.leap.cc has a lot of good information on the Drug War. Spain, Italy, and Luxembourg have decriminalized most drugs, and their crime rates have declined. They still have drug use and addiction, but no illegal drug traffic. Portugal and Holland have effectively decriminalized all drugs, and their respective crime rates have declined even more. Britain, Canada, and Switzerland are now approaching the drug problem as a medical, rather than a criminal problem, though they maintain the illegal traffic.
In America, the Drug War was launched in 1968, and stepped up in 1970, 1983, and 1990, all followed by major crime increases. Just as with alcohol prohibition, the illegal traffic causes more problems than the drug itself. Drugs hurt the drug users, while drug prohibition is hurting and killing innocent bystanders. I've heard from police chiefs who would arrest every drug dealer in town, only to have the demand filled by dangerous gangs.
Thousands of innocent people have been killed in botched drug raids, high speed chases, and gang violence that never happened before the war on drugs. Thousands more have had their homes raided, while more have been imprisoned--even people who've never had anything to do with drugs. Inner city neighborhoods have been turned upside down, and civil liberties have been torn up. Respect for the rule of law has been lost, and whole police departments and federal agencies have been corrupted.
I am supporting Ron Paul's presidential campaign because he is talking about the drug war. He has consistently worked in Congress to try to give the states back their sovereignty, and their ability to deal with local drug and crime issues. | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/17/2007 8:43:41 AM | And again, why are we in Afghanistan? Well not for the Offical reasons it would seem. Maybe because the Taliban were a threat to someone's Profits?
The success of Afghanistan's 2000 drug eradication program under the Taliban had been acknowledged at the October 2001 session of the UN General Assembly (which took place barely a few days after the beginning of the bombing raids). No other UNODC member country was able to implement a comparable program: "Turning first to drug control, I had expected to concentrate my remarks on the implications of the Taliban's ban on opium poppy cultivation in areas under their control... We now have the results of our annual ground survey of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan. This year's production [2001] is around 185 tons. This is down from the 3300 tons last year [2000], a decrease of over 94 per cent. Compared to the record harvest of 4700 tons two years ago, the decrease is well over 97 per cent. Any decrease in illicit cultivation is welcomed, especially in cases like this when no displacement, locally or in other countries, took place to weaken the achievement" (Remarks on behalf of UNODC Executive Director at the UN General Assembly, Oct 2001, http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/speech_2001-10-12_1.html ) In the wake of the US invasion, shift in rhetoric. UNODC is now acting as if the 2000 opium ban had never happened: "the battle against narcotics cultivation has been fought and won in other countries and it [is] possible to do so here [in Afghanistan], with strong, democratic governance, international assistance and improved security and integrity." ( Statement of the UNODC Representative in Afghanistan at the :February 2004 International Counter Narcotics Conference, http://www.unodc.org/pdf/afg/afg_intl_counter_narcotics_conf_2004.pdf , p. 5).
.............The Taliban prohibition had indeed caused "the beginning of a heroin shortage in Europe by the end of 2001", as acknowledged by the UNODC. Heroin is a multibillion dollar business supported by powerful interests. One of the "hidden" objectives of the war was precisely to restore the CIA sponsored drug trade to its historical levels and exert direct control over the drug routes. Immediately following the October 2001 invasion, opium markets were restored. Opium prices spiraled. By early 2002, the opium price (in dollars/kg) was almost 10 times higher than in 2000. In 2001, under the Taliban opiate production stood at 185 tons, increasing to 3400 tons in 2002 under the US sponsored puppet regime of President Hamid Karzai.
http://canadianactionparty.ca/cgi/page.cgi?zine=show&aid=383&_id=27 | |
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| The War on Drugs Is a SCAM Posted: 5/1/2009 10:49:57 PM | Really, Its not a scam. yes, blaming the US on the mexico problem is a scam. **** Mexico. The drugs are coming over the border however the guns are not coming from the us. Its coming from venezula, cuba, ect. All of dirty Mexico's allies.
I know from first hand, yes, marijuana-cocaine-meth, is coming over the border.
No, I haven't not caught many southbound guns. Money-yes!!!!!
Its not a scam, its real. Mexico is a broken-savage nation. Lets let go and secure ourselves: before the dirties take over.
Drugs- I don't give a F*(K. Meth is freshly made in Oregon so you scabbies, get your fix there. | |
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