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Posted: 11/29/2006 6:33:40 PM | I also work in the medical field where it is "required" that we get the flu shot. So a few years ago I dutifully went had one and within 3 minutes had an awful reaction,... think... try draggin sand paper across your eyes for 3 hours!!!!coupled with dry throat and nausea. Within the next 48 hours I had the worst case of the flu I have ever had in my life, almost requiring hospitalization. ( not fun as I was nursing my son at the time).
Guess what? Have a reaction and suddenly it is no longer "required " that you have a flu shot to work. I haven't been sick since in 6 years, nor was I ever before. I think my immune system is pretty strong having sick/germy/pnuemonic folks coughing on me everyday. I'll pass thanks. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2006 6:42:31 PM | How I understand how the flu shot works is that it doesn't mean that you don't get the flu. What it does is to give your body something to work with so the body is better equipped when the real one hit and if there's a different virus that you get that's not included in your flu shot, you still can get sick. (we only get the ones which they think is the most common virus that would hit us)/
For the elderly, the young ones and also those who's got health issues, people who works in the field that has public contact should get the flu shot, so if they get sick, they are not "as sick as they would be" before the shot. Washing our hands is still one of the best prevention.
The flu shot does not go into effect until 2 weeks after you've taken it. Some people will react to it by feeling like they've got the flu, some don't have any reaction at all. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2006 6:51:03 PM | I get a flu shot each year at work.... Our informal statistics show that those who do get the shots don't get as sick as the ones who don't. Being a teacher we are exposed to vast quanitities of viruses and stuff YOU don't want to think about. I think the flu shot has helped me. Washing hands frequently and 'gifting' students with the pens and pencils they borrow from me probably saves ME the most. lol  | |
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Posted: 11/29/2006 9:38:20 PM | I work with a bunch of sickies. And I get it thru work, its free anyways. And I find that I always get sick regardless.
The flu vaccine is a dormant type the inject in you, which protects you from 2 major strains of the flu. Since it is derived from chickens you cannot get it if you are allergice to eggs. Some people claime they get the "flu" or "get sick" from it. True but alas, not.
You merely get an allergic reaction from the flu shot that has symptoms like a cold.
So allergic reaction or not, if it feels like a cold.
Yer sick.
:P
My arm was sore for about 2 days, and itchy as well, (took some Aerius to help with the itchiness) and the next week after, i get cold like symptoms, sore body, COMPLETELY lost my voice, and a really sore throat. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2006 10:52:32 PM | The last time I had a flu shot, I ended up with a very sore arm and sick for over a couple moths.
I will never take another flu shot again, and I don't feel it prevents you from getting it, and I feel to get the flu shot, its all about the Hype. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2006 11:25:59 PM | | I teach grade one and am one of those people that catches absolutely everything there is to be caught - I get the flu shot because, even if it only can help to prevent 2 or 3 strains, that's 2 or 3 strains that I am protected against. I couldn't get it last year because, well, I came down with mono, but I have my appointment to get it on Friday. Now if I can make it to Friday without coming down with some other bizarre illness....hahaha | |
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| Compromised Immune Systems
Posted: 11/29/2006 11:37:18 PM | Research is starting to show that maybe the increases in asthma and allergeries is due to our immune systems being compromised, by too many innoculations and too much sterilization .
When I grew up nobody was allergic to peanuts or much of anything now every daycare and school has a ban on peanuts and peanut products and asthma is prevalent.
The flu shot is just another drug company ploy to make more profit, the research data is suspect on effectiveness, people are having adverse reactions and is unneeded. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2006 7:17:44 AM |
Insulin is a hoax???
Never read "insulin" in that post there Twinkler. I think what he was trying to say, is what I am trying to say. If you keep running to the doctors and keep pumping your body full of meds,,,,,your not asking your body to do any of the fighting for ya anymore. Therefore MORE meds please!!!!!!! Not a good circle to be caught up in, is all I am saying. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2006 7:30:22 AM |
... are all drugs just a drug company ploy???
Yes, I agree, that this would be taking it a little far. I believe there are good intentions in the health field,,,but we all know that sometimes good intentions will only get you so far. I kinda compare this to what is being pumped into our foods nowadays also. We try to get the most potential out of our fields, our feed to our animals etc, and now we are dealing with some "side effects" that others in past never did.
Sometimes I feel that the human population is now taking place of the lab rat, which in some cases is'nt a bad thing | |
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Tyeee
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Joined: 7/6/2007
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| Flu shots...
Posted: 1/18/2008 7:18:19 PM | There is news that the lower mainland of British Columbia is one of the hotspots in Canada with higher than average outbreaks of the flu. In light of this are people from the area now more inclined to consider getting the vaccination, or at least get one in the coming autumn when the new vaccines come available? If more people get the shot then they will reduce the risk of spreading the bug to others.
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Posted: 1/18/2008 7:29:00 PM | | Nope still not getting it,... still haven't been sick either. Wash your hands with regular soap and water OFTEN and sneezing INTO your arm NOT hands will do wonders too. I notice all the kids these days are taught this and yet few adults do it. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 7:42:55 PM | | Some times it's important to get one, like when working with the elderly. I prefer to let my immune system fight and stay strong. If my being sick would effect others around me then maybe. I like using hand sanitizer to prevent spreading germs. Wasn't it last years that the government coughed up ( mo pun intended) money to educate doctors on the value of washing their hands, that was a real kicker. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 9:25:22 PM | | Only with a gun to my head would I accept any inoculation. | |
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Tyeee
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Joined: 7/6/2007
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Posted: 1/18/2008 9:45:22 PM |
Hmmm, does that gun have to be loaded?
BTW I heard on the TV (yes heard, I was in another room) that Christopher Columbus got infected with Syphilis on his travels and brought the disease back to Europe. This killed 5 million people.
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Joined: 2/20/2005
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Posted: 2/2/2008 1:11:35 PM | | I wish i had got a flu shot the way i feel today. Oh mercy im sore all over gonna snuggle up and rest | |
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Joined: 4/22/2007
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Posted: 2/2/2008 1:18:23 PM | | hmmmmmmm - I didn't get a flu shot either. ^^^ I hope I do not regret it. I can see advantages and disadvantages to getting one. Fortunately, I rarely get the flu. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 1:35:33 PM | Even though I have been sick all week with a horrid bug that I got at work, I still will not get the shot. There are many arguments for and against and I understand the pros and cons.
My grandson is immune compromised and he gets one every year as does his mother. I of course do not go around them when and/or if I am ill. I don't tend to get sick that often (despite exposure etc). Washing hands is the biggest one and just use soap and water, none of the anti-bacterial stuff. Now there are many reports out there advising people to stay away from anti bacterial products.
It is rather odd but this particular virus that I am dealing with was brought into the workplace and passed around by someone who had their vaccination. The vaccinations are not fail-safe, they are just a guess and forecast of what they expect will be coming, they can never actually predict or immunize for all the virus mutations. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 12:49:23 AM | I haven't had the flu for between 4 to 5 years, so I was starting to feel very confident about my immune system starting to rebound after so many years of sh*te and abuse. But alas, I am now fighting through my third day of the flu/cold bug, and let me tell ya,..... it really sucks. But for me, just washing my hands as much and as often as your regular R.N. (nurse) dose at work really make a big difference with the frequence and strengh of the flew for when it finally dose hitcha. And that routine only started happening as often as it dose today for me only after I had a scare with a "Super Bug" about 4 and a half years ago. So its clear to me that a good came out of a bad experience for me.
I think that next year I just might get back into the routine of the shot because there is no such thing as being too safe. But I feel that the only down side of getting such things regularly is the possibility of the body becomeing imoune (sorry for the spelling!) to these types of shots. | |
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Joined: 4/22/2007
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Posted: 4/23/2008 10:16:49 PM | | IT got me! Not necessarily the flu but a head cold and since I haven't had a cold in 3 years, I have forgotten how unpleasant it is. My burning eyes are bugging me. I don't think a flu shot would have helped. I don't know many people with colds now and , no, it's not allergies. It is too much of a change. My nose is running like a tap and my mucas burns my skin. Okay - there go a few more favorites, but I need to vent my discontent. My nose is discharging it's discontent. I kind of view colds as the bodies way of cleansing itself. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 10:29:09 PM | Several people I work with have come down with colds this week as well as a gastro-intestinal illness. This time of year is when the flu shot we had last October wears off, so it's easy to pick up anything flying around.
Take care (medicinal) | |
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| Compromised Immune Systems
Posted: 4/24/2008 8:09:07 AM |
Never read "insulin" in that post there Twinkler. I think what he was trying to say, is what I am trying to say. If you keep running to the doctors and keep pumping your body full of meds,,,,,your not asking your body to do any of the fighting for ya anymore. Therefore MORE meds please!!!!!!! Not a good circle to be caught up in, is all I am saying.
I think that's the way our parents' generation saw it, and the way medicine was taught and presented then. Whatever your problem is, there's a pill that can fix it. I've run into a LOT of boomers who think that way.
Back when they were growing up there were a bunch of medical advances curing problems that used to be fatal. Smallpox was wiped out with vaccination. VD and many other kinds of disease became almost a non-issue because of antibiotics. Cancer wasn't quite the death sentence it seemed previously.
Now, on the other hand... Smallpox is still gone (for now) but TB is back with a vengeance. A lot of those bugs that used to be cured by antibiotics have become drug-resistant because of antibiotic overuse. Since nobody worried about VD any more, AIDS could spread like wildfire even in rich developed countries. You'd think we would have learned by now that when you tinker with complex systems like people+diseases, the results are never as simple as you hope... but there still seem to be lots of people out there who trust medicine to fix all their problems even as a lot of health professionals are starting to preach that good health begins with people taking ownership of their bodies.
The flu shot - there's another thread about this: http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts5717368.aspx
In that one I got tired of listening to the same old BS on the subject so went out and did the research and found the numbers to show that Walts is right. It's not just a matter of intuition, the average guy or gal IS better off not getting flu shots. Immunity acquired from exposure accumulates, whereas immunity from shots is only good for a very limited time and doesn't leave lasting protection.
Of course, not everybody is average. There are still lots of people who really should get flu shots - those with weak immune systems and people like nurses who have to work with them. But probably nobody will read this far and I'll immediately be flamed by somebody telling me what I just said. :P | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 10:57:11 AM | | Why on God's green earth would I pay money so that I can go to work more often? Hello???? I look forward to some sick time on occasion. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 11:27:34 AM | | Getting a flu shot protects others, not just ourselves. The elderly can die from the flu which can lead to pneumonia for them, so it's a good idea to have the shot if you are in frequent touch with them. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 11:02:19 AM | ^
Death from flu can lead to pneumonia? Ha, don't worry, I get what you were trying to say: Flu --> Pneumonia --> Risk of death.
IMO you're wrong about needing to interact with elderly people wearing proverbial velvet gloves. Just like overprotective parents who try to keep their kids clean 24/7 only to see them develop chronic problems like allergies & asthma, trying to shelter seniors from bugs & microbes only weakens their immune systems and causes more earlier-than-necessary deaths than either flu or pneumonia could manage on their own. In other words: we're unwittingly helping them to thrive & do more damage to the human body.
What you're saying is similar to claiming that we should eliminate fitness classes for seniors because the poor dears might fracture something or rupture something, or -- worse -- die from exercise-related injury which might lead to pneumonia (couldn't pass up the opportunity for a quick ribbing).
Vaccination programs are just that: programs. Resist, and society will become that much healthier. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 11:23:01 AM | Todd, I'm glad you put IMO in front of your statement.
#2 reason for health care workers to get their flu shot (aside from helping to prevent the elderly - or very young patients they work with from contacting the disease) is to prevent mass absenteeism in the workplace. In an already severely short-staffed health care system we don't need the majority of workers out sick with the flu.
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