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Posted: 12/3/2006 6:42:40 PM | I know a 27 year old woman who has been on Paxil since she was 14. She is afraid to come off of it because she thinks that she would need to be admitted to the psych ward, She literally does not know who she is underneath those pills.
A friend of mine went on Paxil for PTSD and he had a psychotic break due to a toxic dose and tried to harm a coworker. These are just personal stories, not even the ones I have read about through research and school.
Yes, antidepressants can cause an increased suicide risk, they can also cause cause sexual dysfunction. Ever heard of priapsism? It is an abnormally prolonged erection... for hours, days... good times hey? These are just a few, and it really depends on the agent used...
Some people do really well with the help of medication, but should something that alters your neurotransmitters be the first chioce and handed out like candy? There are other options out there, what about good old fashioned counselling? Or dealing with the underlying issues instead of applying a band aid? | |
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Posted: 12/3/2006 7:01:58 PM | I also notice Dr Mercola is making tons of money from peddling his wares but
of course self interest and greed couldn't be a factor in his opinions.
Got that one right.
Telostrider: Hmm. Lead poisoning would be an interesting diagnosis.
http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/lead/lead.html
I would suspect you would show other symptoms - its primary action is to displace or form bonds with iron (Fe) in the Heme-centers of certain proteins, including hemoglobin and the Fe-S active centers of the cytochrome proteins of electron transport chain in mito.
A bit more technical discussion can be found at this website.
http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/lead/lead.html
Did the doctor identify a specific probable cause for lead contamination?
Regardless, its not among the more common causes of depression.
Depression has a complex etiology; there is not "one cause". Very mild clinical conditions will respond to counseling or self treatment using CBT. More serious cases will require either naturopathic or pharmaceutical intervention.
The key is to back up drug use with one or more adjunct therapies to push the depressed personality from dysfunction (assuredly, people, this is a neurochemical issue..not just 'psychological' - a term that describes behavior features having chemical origins) towards more normal production of key neurochemicals. They can be assessed using a generic neurotransmitter assay that many labs can perform on a doctors request.
In many cases, one can look at a patients health history and pinpoint lifestyle issues, especially sedentary behaviors, malnutrition and unusual sleep habits, often coupled with alcohol and recreation drug use.
These result in (1) GI tract malabsorption and vitamin/cofactor deficiency and (2) liver indole pathway dysfunction.
This is why naturopathic medicine has been found to be helpful in treating the base underlying condition.
More rarely, periods of extended acute stress will also initiate chemical pathway shortages in liver. And this results in apathy, low energy, sleep and mood disorders.
The key here is to understand that the drugs aren't meant to be a permanent solution in most cases. Rather, they afford temporary mood stabilization (sometimes, a bit too stable) while other treatment modalities are pursued by the patient and physician (MD/ND) or therapist. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 6:02:16 AM | When i was 17, i was put on paxil for post partum/anxiety and severe depression and was told i would be on anti depressants for life (since some of my symptoms of it range back to the age of six or seven years old)
NOW they know that paxil is dangerous for anyone under 18/21, and can cause psychotic behaviour in teens. I think that there is even a health warning now for it on adults as well, or at least that is what i heard.
(but being a pill popper before hand, i was ended up taking around 8 a day before i finally quit taking them all together.) i have never needed anti depressants ever again. We now are almost positive that i had physical problems FIRST and the depression was a secondary disorder, not the primary. I didnn't need a psychologist, i needed to be seen by a specialist. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 6:38:43 AM | Sombient, both of your cites lead to the same page.
Can you provide some cites on the efficacy of diet on depression outcomes. I'd be
very interested in reading about this. Thanks, Richard | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 7:37:59 AM | baby, just cause for you it seemed to work with no ill side effects does not mean that they ar not addictive. Anti depressents make you feel good by increaing serotinin.....AS DOES MOST STIMULANTS as does nicotine. How can doctors say that they are not addictive? That is the purpose of the drug, to make someone feel good. So whethre or not there is a physical addiction (which i would challenge considering that one is supposed to be "monitored' and gradually taken off, if there was no physical depenancy, this would not be needed) it could all be mental, just like a shopping addiction.
But being a drug addict before i took the meds, i can tell you that they are very capable of giving you a high very similiar to other drugs (i saw tracers while taking them, even just one in the first few weeks). I remember thinking....."hey i can get high and the government is basically paying for it"! At the time i was not taking any other drugs, so that would rule out that as a cause. It was when i turned 18 that i went back to the drugs nad alcohol and by 19 i made my own decision to pull myslf off paxil. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 8:07:27 AM |
baby, just cause for you it seemed to work with no ill side effects does not mean that they ar not addictive. Anti depressents make you feel good by increaing serotinin
Anti-depressants increase your serotonin to normal levels. You don't feel "high" on them...maybe if you're taking an incorrect dosage or something....I never felt high and I never got addicted. Perhaps your drug addiction caused them to have a different effect on you whether or not you were taking them at the same time. Also, doctors advise slowly weening yourself off them because they don't want to shock your system and it's easier for your body to pick up the slack (so to speak) when you take the drug away.
I believe that counselling can help some people. I went to a therapist once and she determined there was nothing in my past causing my depression and it was strictly chemical and I guess that's why the meds helped me so much.
Clinical depression is determined to be a disease by many and it's unfortunate that it can't be proven that you have it by any tests since that is why so many people think you don't need medication for it. I don't believe everyone needs drug therapy, however, there are quite a few who do and there are many who have had their lives saved by it.
Nobody should ever feel ashamed for needing medication to deal with this disease. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 8:11:11 AM | | so what causes the pychotic behaviour in teens? (and this is not something i read baout on the net, it was widely discussed a few years ago in teh news, and i beleive the FDA itself has put out a warning on it for teenagers to NOT be put on it.) | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 8:17:43 AM | Had to double post but i looked up the FDA website myself and found its own website on how studies show that it causes psychotic behaviour in people under age 18
www.fda.gov/bbs/topic/ANSWERS/2003/ANSO1230.html
its says right there, that studies have shown that it increases suicidal thoughts etc in people under the ages of 18, and it is no longer advised for children or adolescents. that report was in 2003, i was first put on it in 1998/1999 | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 8:27:44 AM | Richard: Shoot! I should have rechecked that cut/paste that didn't paste! Thanks for catching my error. The citation should have been.
http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic293.htm
See also: http://www.relfe.com/IDetoxamin/lead_toxicity.htm (easier to understand).
<div class="quote">Symptoms: Abdominal pain, ADD, adrenal insufficiency, allergies, anemia, anxiety, arthritis, blindness, cardiovascular disease, autism, colic, constipation, convulsions, depression, dyslexia, epilepsy, fatigue, gout, hallucinations, headaches, hostility, hyperactivity, hypertension, hypothyroidism, impotence, liver dysfunction, hyperkinesis, mental retardation, mood swings, menstrual problems, muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, nephritis, nightmares, nausea, numbness, Parkinson's disease, poor concentration, psychosis, renal dysfunction, restlessness, schizophrenia, seizures, stillbirths, SIDS, tooth decay, vertigo, weight loss.
On depression linkage to diet: http://1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr-def-symptoms.htm
There is a great deal of biochemical rhyme and reason here on why certain dietary deficiencies promote depression. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 8:33:59 AM | http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2003/ANS01230.html
opps that O was supposed to be a 0, i hand typed it out. Go check it out.
and since that was years ago, more info has probably been collected on it for the use in adults (i swear to god they found out it was bad for adutls as well and put a warning out along with ZYBAN at the same time).
i hate it when people who it worked on, dont seem to understand what it did to someone who it didn't work on. Im just now able to start talking abotu what happened to me years ago, and the effects on my mind from what i know it increased was devastating. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 10:20:50 AM | @Sombient
Yep it was definetly an interesting diagnosys. Well I searched around the internet for the sypmtoms that I had (google) and I found lead poisoning. Then I convinced my Naturopath that that is what I could have. We took a sample, sent it to a lab, and there it was.
Its just most doctors failed to see the other symptoms. I mean headaches, sleeplessness, anxiety, vertigo, and I was pretty irritable as well, but it can all be a sympton of just regular depression. Well good thing I didn't go along with their zoloft solution. I dont know why they dont use regular toxicity tests more often. My lead is gone now, I just got a little too much aluminum. Yay for aluminum in anti prespirants. Ok now I know why they dont take toxicity tests more often.
I mean I would recommend most people with depression, to take a lab test for toxins, there is plenty of them that can cause similiar symptoms. And I highly disagree with using anti depressants, unless its a very severe problem. If you dont fix the underlying problem, which could be problems in your life, it will just keep coming back. Well more money for the pharmacuticals I guess. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 10:41:19 AM | Why don't they check more often? Probably because the predominant source of lead bioaccumulation, leaded gasoline, ceased to be a major influence. Same is true of coal fired power plants - tighter emission standards reduced ambient air exposure to lead.
When you find lead accumulating in humans, you also must ask: what might be amiss with certain natural counterbalances?
Selenium, a very important element in cellular function, is notoriously low in many diets that lack mineral enriched grains and vegetables. Its also been leached out of over-worked soils in many agricultural settings around the world.
Selenium, in natural abundance found in well balanced diet, opposes lead bioaccumulation, a fact confirmed by quite a few studies in animal models and diet and biological sample surveys in humans, by natural competition for binding sites in cells.
Therefore, in some instances, low background levels of lead (well below levels that cause toxicity symptoms from direct exposure) might be found to unnaturally accumulate in human tissue due to dietary deficiency of selenium and a few other natural protective factors. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 2:14:15 PM |
i hate it when people who it worked on, dont seem to understand what it did to someone who it didn't work on. Im just now able to start talking abotu what happened to me years ago, and the effects on my mind from what i know it increased was devastating.
I'm sorry it didn't work for you and I do completely understand that it doesn't work for everyone. I hope you are much better now.  | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 6:42:39 PM | | hi there re your comment on antidressants increase serotinin levels the governing body for psychiatrists in the state have a yearly get together they were asked when leaving is there a PROVEN TEST to see if antidressants increase serotinin levels the ones that were not affaid to comment said there is ABSOLUTLY NO TESTS some were very strong with this comment at this meeting they also vote on a new disorder so the drugs companies can make a new drug I SAW THIS ON TV | |
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Posted: 12/5/2006 3:20:39 PM |
Its just most doctors failed to see the other symptoms. I mean headaches, sleeplessness, anxiety, vertigo, and I was pretty irritable as well, but it can all be a sympton of just regular depression.
I work in a lead refinery, my lead averages 25-26ppm... the average person is 2-5, i've been as high as 35 and never had any of those symptoms.. We are tested monthly. High lead makes people tired, not sleepless. | |
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Posted: 12/6/2006 3:39:13 PM | its says right there, that studies have shown that it increases suicidal thoughts etc in people under the ages of 18, and it is no longer advised for children or adolescents. that report was in 2003, i was first put on it in 1998/1999
Who would put their child on anti-depressants anyway? I wouldn't do it, and disapproved of it when it was occurring. The only way I would consider it if the disease was so bad that the risks were mitigated by constant monitoring and perhaps hospitalization.
Antidepressants aren't addictive, though. They have side effects, as I did mention in my earlier post, but they do not occur with all people. I know several people who have benefitted from these drugs, as I also mentioned in my post.
One must be monitored. It is irresponsible medicine to prescribe someone something and then not follow up. It also should be used in conjunction with cognitive therapy. Having medicine without the latter just doesn't make sense.
As it is with any other medical condition, treatment should be tailored to the individual. Always. | |
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Posted: 12/6/2006 7:30:12 PM |
Antidepressants are not addictive and you do not become dependent on them.
not addictive in the sense we are used to, but try going off them cold turkey, ssri withdrawal is not fun. In that sense, your body is used to it | |
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Posted: 12/7/2006 9:48:05 PM | Hmmm. May I condescend a bit here? ;-}
It seems that from the initial posting, and a sample of others, that not being on antidepressants causes the brain to mis-spell frequently - perhaps because impetuous actions and feelings of omniscience are not suppressed.
That aside, he lumps ALL antidepressants together after what I gather was a single experience with ONE of them.
What is well known in the medical field is that some work better than others in different patients. For no known reason.
Also, they all have the potential for side effects - like numbing the body senses, suppressing the ability to orgasm, and many many more.
Proper action would be for the patient to return to the doctor and complain about the undesired side effects, and they can - together reduce one med, and introduce a replacement that may work with happier results.
As to psychotic episodes -- when I was doing one of my degrees, during the 70's the current wisdom was that human brains keep developing past the age of 15, and it is only by 15 that some reasoning surrounding ethics, and other complex interactions can be assumed to be in the norm. I know there will be countless people arguing from specific examples against the norm, but I refer to large scale results on school exams from various age groups. It is also normal to be several years before or behind the norm in ever smaller groups the greater the distance.
For instance, average for puberty is now something like 11 yrs, but it is not unusual for some women to not 'fill out' and begin menarche until much later. The brain is also a complicated hormone driven organ.
So - maybe in some cases SSRI meds can facilitate psychotic episodes in younger people.
Remember folks, medicine, and psychiatry particularly, are not in the engineering sciences. There is much to learn, much only partly understood. But we are not Nazis experimenting on people, testing them to destruction, poking them with stuff to see what happens next.
Doctors learn slowly, cautiously, trying at all times to do no harm. I know because my brother is one.
Ill take a qualified doctor over any quack any time. And holistic - to be really holistic, needs regular medical checkups too. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 2:02:22 AM | They are finding out that they are not good for the enviroment.Wastewater treatment facilities cannot remove these chemicals,so they end up in the watershed.Just think how many meds get flushed down the john?Along with estrogen from BC pills.
They found alarming amounts of these substances in the upper Mississippi River.Studies have found that male walleye have been producing eggs.Shoot,can't eat the fish now or you will grow some man-boobs .
Like they say-"it's gotta be something in the water". | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 5:18:02 PM |
They are finding out that they are not good for the enviroment.Wastewater treatment facilities cannot remove these chemicals,so they end up in the watershed.Just think how many meds get flushed down the john?Along with estrogen from BC pills.
They found alarming amounts of these substances in the upper Mississippi River.Studies have found that male walleye have been producing eggs.Shoot,can't eat the fish now or you will grow some man-boobs .
Like they say-"it's gotta be something in the water".
Um....what?  | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 5:41:40 PM | ^^ Can't read?
Three very common pharmaceutical agents that aren't degraded in wastewater treatment plants are : antidepressants (tricyclics in particular), synthetic estrins and progestins in birth control pills, and antibiotics.
These bioaccumulate in the discharge points from wastewater treatment plants. You think about the percentage of adults and teens using one or more of these drugs daily.
It adds up. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 7:22:51 PM | ^^ Can't read?
Three very common pharmaceutical agents that aren't degraded in wastewater treatment plants are : antidepressants (tricyclics in particular), synthetic estrins and progestins in birth control pills, and antibiotics.
These bioaccumulate in the discharge points from wastewater treatment plants. You think about the percentage of adults and teens using one or more of these drugs daily.
It adds up.
I can read, thanks. I was just unaware.
So now I'm not supposed to take antidepressants or birth control. Nice. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 7:28:53 PM | No, not necessarily.
More just recognize that there are unexpected consequences for using these drugs. They are slowly building up in the environment after decades of use by billions of people on the planet. They do not go "away", except where sunlight destroys them in shallow water. That only happens when they are not bound to particles that absorb the UV energy that would otherwise photo-oxidize them. Water is rarely that clear. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 7:57:53 PM | | I peroidacally take atavin it's like valium when I first started taking them I got hooked I had to stop to break the addiction...Now I cut them in half if that don't work I take the other half I don't take them everyday...I think one is more likley to get hooked on pain meds as you age I have horrible arthritis and thousand mg. vikedens to go with it, Somas muscle relaxers etc..Chewing gum helps alot with aniexty too.. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 8:17:12 PM |
More just recognize that there are unexpected consequences for using these drugs.
Understood...although the expected consequences from not using birth control seem a little worse to me at this point.
Seriously though, thanks for explaining. | |
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