| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 6:58:35 AM | look its simple YOU DONT need anyone to tell you anything
get a New king james bible and read the New testament
tell God hey I am not sure I believe in you but if your real show me yourself
and I promise you with all my heart YOU will NOT find GOD for God is NOT lost
but HE will come and find YOU for you are the ONE that is LOST
you dont see him cause YOU dont believe
and he wants us to have FAITH
what is faith? faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR the evidence of things NOT Seen | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:03:36 AM | ReallY well let me tell you
Paul who saw Jesus
said if what Jesus did in his LIFE TIME was all written down in books
the world would not have room enough to contain it
see you all miss the point Jesus made the world the animals the universe
HE was the LORD God walking in the garden with Adam
in the beginning was the word and the word was with God
and the word was God
and the word became flesh and lived among us
JESUS is God | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:05:13 AM | yes will you just keep believing that
and when your old and dying see how much praying to the wind and earth and air
and water brings your afraid heart peace
Jesus is the only way to God
and your Only hope of salvation | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:07:33 AM | drop science////////?/???
ok you tell more than half of the top scientists in the world
that are very very strong believers in God and Jesus that
they should drop science
Einsteins father was a strong christian man
and his son returned to faith in God
after he helped america wipe out a bunch of Japanese people with a couple of bombs
and then he said God forgive us for man now how the power to destroy himself | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:11:51 AM | get a clue
first it not the bible that said all that
its what the bible tells you about the law makers and the idiot
pharasees that set the rules
the LEVITICan laws your talking about were added to by men
Gods laws were given to moses and there was ONLY TEN OF THEM
jesus comes and says love god love your neighbour as yourself
so why do people assume that the bible approved of anything
its a testiment to what was
YOU Want to know what God wants read the NEW testament
the bible says that idiots sacrificed babies on fires so does that mean that God wanted them to do that??????????????????//
no its just telling us thats what happened | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:14:58 AM | cause you would rather debate than believe
well for your sake i hope you know God before you die
and find out he exists
cause those that reject his love in this life
will be rejected for eternity
Romans for the LOVE OF YOURSELf anyone that is having trouble
read romans
for YOU are all without excuse the sun came up for you today didnt it
there is air for you to breath will the grass grow?
do amimals die for us to have a hamburger?
will you eat something today???????
Read romans just read it and believe | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:18:00 AM | acutally no Jesus was quoting a old testament scripture to satan
when he said IT is written you shall not put the Lord your God to the test
meaning something stupid like jumping off the temple to see if God will save you
but in other areas the Lord himself said TEST me NOW IN THIS sayeth the Lord God
and see if I will not pour out on you such a blessing and open the floodgates of heaven that you will not have room enough to contain it
god does not view our asking him to reveal himself to us as a test
he actually is very happy we ask him to do so | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:22:08 AM | praying is not an art Just talk to him
he is everywhere
he doesnt want anyones fancy words
just a honest heart about our doubts our fears our joys
God is LOVE
and Jesus is God
its all a great mystery but we have eternal life to get all our questions answered
all he wants us to do
is love him thank him Love others
and read HIS word to seek him
in Hebrews there are many many people that did not get there promises fullfilled in this lifetime
but they pressed on anyways | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 7:26:48 AM | the answer came YOU just didnt like it
the jews were captive by the pharoh for years
thousands died and thousands prayed for release
but it was only when gods plan was fullfilled
and moses was ready
so hundreds and thousands could say God never answered my prayer
God answers every single time
but sometimes his answer is YOU wouldnt understand so I am not going to say anything
suffering makes us grow
and we all suffer
God still loves you
and his plan will be worked in you
if you stop being angry with God YOU KNOW your not in control HE IS | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 9:43:12 AM |
well for your sake i hope you know God before you die
and find out he exists
cause those that reject his love in this life
will be rejected for eternity
Say, does rejecting the same thing as not believing?
Basically, if we don't believe in God, we'll all go to hell, therefore we'd better believe in God?
I don't want to try and accept God's existence just so I won't go to Hell...:S Can you tell me how and where did you find your faith? | |
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Posted: 4/8/2005 9:46:12 AM |
god does not view our asking him to reveal himself to us as a test
he actually is very happy we ask him to do so
Ok, I think I'll try again, then. So can you give me some help on how to communicate with him? Do I have to close my eyes and get down on my knees or can I just ask him mentally? What should I do? | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 9:52:51 AM |
suffering makes us grow
and we all suffer
Yeah, I'd imagine that God isn't suppose to help make our life easier during the bad times. I believe that it's our hard times that allow us to appreciate what life is given to us. Is that how people loses faith, because God didn't make the obstacles go POOF and disappear that they feel God weren't answerable to them, and were never there?
It's still hard to believe to start faith, though. | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 9:53:47 AM | | Oh yeah, one more question. Is it true that God will never forgive you if you make fun of him, but will forgive you if you murder a lot of people but asks for forgiveness? | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 1:10:55 PM | angielah,
it's all about creating and then letting free willed creatures like humans and angels develop.
at first they make really bad decisions, and ruin the environment and self-destruct the planet, and themselves.
they have to learn about all of that, and work it all out.
it will take a resurrection to complete the educational process.
some will never live through it....... they keep picking the lie and selfishness, and never make progress, but that's their choice.
hell is eternal seperation from god and truth and love......basically if you don't follow truth and love and progress, you self-destruct, and god stops resurrecting you. | |
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| help an atheist
Posted: 4/8/2005 4:03:29 PM | | If you seek the truth Mr Niceguyblue not a single being on earth know if there's a god or devil untill they die. I say follow your own way and if you know right from wrong then your all set. I think that a person doesn't need to believe in anything but what they want to believe in and thats what lifes about just be yourself and you don't need to play fake in order to fit into the world. There will only ever be one you, no exeptions so be you and be free. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2005 4:07:05 PM | | No, he will forgive all sins if you ask him that includes if you call him every name in the book, thats how it is with catholics. Don't go to church so not completely sure. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2005 7:33:29 PM | I asked God to reveal himself to me a few hours ago. I asked him to give me the strength to have faith in him and in his creations, and I need his help in believing his omnipotent existence. I told him that I'm willing to love him with all my strength and might, and am willing to continue to abide the 10 commandments, but need to have faith in that what I'm doing is out of gratefulness for his love for me and forgiveness of me (and not for an illusion).
I basically repeatedly ask him to show himself - but he didn't talk back :(
So I felt like I was really mentally communicating with myself, which left me a sense of lonesomeness.
I'm getting pretty disappointed, and discouraged, and I was pretty excited at the start.
Why won't he answer me? :(
I'll tell something personal. Living by the ten commandments as a nonbeliever have given me some sense of contentment and peace all these years. The commandment that helped me the most is forgiveness - the parable about forgiving others because God forgives me has always been one of my favorite. But I'm serious; If God exists, I'm quite glad to serve him because I'll have a real sense of purpose of living by some of his wishes. I'll be content to know it when the world go mad and all loved ones falls away from me - I'll have God. If he doesn't exist, then I would have lost the peace and contentment that the commandments have brought me - forgiving won't come as easily to me, which'll taint my peace of mind...does that make sense?
*sigh* How can I be certain that God exist? Can I be sure that the Bible isn't written by imaginative writers? | |
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Posted: 4/8/2005 7:44:28 PM | angielah
You sound a bit like the apostle Paul who questioned himself in Romans. I have gone through the same emotions as you are going through what I realised was that the spirit of God was always helping me to work through my problems. It was only when I tried to do things of my own volition problems started. So I live by the freedom that God gives me and the law of the spirit that guides me. I get things wrong because that’s what freedom brings. The commandments don’t save but gives a guide to the spiritual path. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2005 7:52:59 PM | | Hey, Rebirth, I've already sent you an email about what you've just said. There's still a lot of questions to be answered...but thanks for the reply, though. If that's the commandment's purpose, then at least I'm taking steps towards God even though I'm bringing doubts along with me, right? | |
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Posted: 4/8/2005 8:43:16 PM | | I just wanted to tell my story,about wanting God to answer my questions , and was dissapointed when they weren't answered when and how I wanted. I too lost my father to cancer when I was 19. A few years before that, I had lost my soulmate and best friend . She was killed instantly in a auto accident. One minute we were talking on the phone , and afew hours later I get a phone call from her friend saying that she was killed. I cannot even explain the devastation I felt. It was like someone ripped me in half but I coudn't die. Every night for over a year I would cry, and DEMAND God tell me why . I finally took matters into my own hands. I stayed home one afternoon ,when the rest of the family went out to eat,and I proceeded to the garage , where we had my camaro that my dad and me were restoring together. I put down the garage door and got in the car and put on my seat belt and said to God somthing to the effect " YOU CAN TELL ME WHY NOW, OR FACE TO FACE" and started the engine and sat there staring up at the ceiling. I waited and waited . After several minutes, I started getting dizzy, and a while longer I started to feel weaker and weaker, until finally I realized that I could die. But I was so weak I could barely unlatch the seat belt . I manged to open the door and fall onto the floor and crawl on my stomach to the door leading to the house, then crawled through the house to the patio door, managed to eventually get it opened and crawled onto the patio ,and layed there face down unable to move. I then realized that maybe it wasn't wise for me to demand that God answer me when I expected him too. This loss has affected me over the years because , I don't want to let my friend go, and I still dwell on the past more than I should,but I am tired of being alone, I guess that is why I am on this website. Oh yeah, the point I am trying to make is that I still believe , also my friend's father was and is a minister and a retired Army chaplin ,and all of her family are still devoted Christians to this day. I realize now that just becuase we may think sometimes God doesn't answer us when and how we expect him to, doesn't mean, he didn't already give us an answer, It could mean that it takes US time to realize the answer ,or accept the answer he has given. It has taken me a while to realize this,Over 15 years to be exact. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2005 9:50:41 PM | That is quite a story Mic. I wonder if like me, part of your problem with God was seeing others around you who claimed to love God and never had to face half the emotional trauma that I have faced in my life? I hope I am over that stumbling block now.
Angie, don't beat yourself up over it and don't get discouraged. And mostly, don't try to make it happen by willpower. It will happen when it happens. Just be sincere and don't demand that He show Himself. He does not usually show Himself, but does let us know that He is there. I told you before that it sounds like you already believe and just don't realize it yet. I would suggest attending a Church and sitting in on a service. I would not advise a Pentecostal Church. Just something where people do not "force" it on you. Maybe Lutheran or Presbyterian. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 9:44:18 AM | Angie:
Do you try to live by the commandments because you are afraid not to, or because they just seem the right thing to do? In your heart of hearts, do you want to be good in your life, or bad? What/who is guiding your feelings?
When life set you challenges, however great, you can let them suck you in and defeat you, or rise above them and become a better person for doing so. It's incredibly hard to do, but look upon each hard knock that life delivers as an opportunity to become a better person. By all means wonder why somone else should have to suffer, or why you should be made to feel such sadness, but recognize that even the wondering is a step along the path to greater understanding. Seeing a purpose in the tragedies you encounter is hard, and may take a lifetime to achieve, but if you're determined to do it, it will happen. Just give it time. Have faith in yourself, first. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 9:13:08 PM |
Einsteins father was a strong christian man
and his son returned to faith in God
after he helped america wipe out a bunch of Japanese people with a couple of bombs
Einstein? He was a deist till death. He believed god set off the universe, that it. No personel god. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 9:19:02 PM | yup^
Albert Einstein quotes:
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." | |
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