| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/8/2007 2:51:14 AM |
what are you all using to check resource usage? Are you augmenting that stat with the fact the OS is proven (see my earlier post) to be faster than XP?
i use a programme called tuneup utilities, it can list all running processes on your pc and display exactly how much ram they are using, and i'll say it again, vista uses 512 MB of ram just standing still.
to answer a previous post, all vista betas will stop working in june of this year | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/8/2007 2:58:21 AM | | Vista? Just more planned obsolesence software. I won't upgrade until I can't get software that'll run on Win2000 anymore. XP still has scsi bugs? I haven't checked nor used it on my own machines since they screwed it up on initial release. The last stable M$ OS on release *.0 was DOS 5. I got sucked in by that; screwed by DOS 6, again by winblows 95, never again. I spend so much time supporting my family and friends windows machines because of faulty code that I refuse to pay for any microsoft software anymore. Gates owes me a fortune in labor because he won't fix simple problems, so I pirate his software. Still using OS/2 on one machine, the most stable one I own. Really a shame I can't get software for it anymore. Don't need all the resource hog 'features' and predatory software of the windows environment which will now be considered 'enhancements' by the windows ad campaign. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/8/2007 9:56:54 PM | Wow, a lot of people are really bitter.
I've installed Vista.
Yes, made pretty its a resource hog.
Take away the pretty, its not a resource hog.
Bugs? Haven't found any myself, save for with my video card (7950 GX2) but that was on account of the drivers made by nvidia, not the OS.
Improvements? Not a ton, but there are a few.
Networking. Easy.
Myself and my roommates all installed it to play around with. The vista machines discovered each other and created a workgroup based on the router they were connected to. Media center extensions and everything synced flawlessly. We can all access and play media on each others machines.
Not released yet, but DirectX 10 is going to be fantastic. Finally a version of DX thats not backwards compatible, going to improve gaming an insane amount. Looking forward to it.
People that whine about having to get a new card for it.... suck it up. Having DX backwards compatible was beginning to severely limit performance.
Being in the printer business I like the new colour management features, going to help me out a lot when explaining why a persons laser printer doesnt accurately reproduce images on a screen.... :P
The new audio features have actually improved sound on my PC a lot. I no longer get noise from my onboard sound, and the bass responsiveness and overall quality of the sound coming out of my PC has improved.
Device drivers are now on a seperate layer, allowing for greater flexibilty and stability when dealing with crappy drivers... a driver can fail and not have the system lock up, restarting the driver individually. As well you can load new drivers for devices without requiring a restart. (unless they're kernel mode drivers! but kernel mode drivers need to be digitally signed)
Plus, the whole software development side of things theres an absolute ton of fun things to do. The use of directx on the desktop is so much fun to play with, it allows for a whole new level of integration.
What I dont think people realize is that vista isnt aimed at being the most efficient option for operating systems, its aimed at integration and entertainment while maintaining ease of use and security.
I feel it succeeds fairly well at this.
But thats just my opinion. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/8/2007 10:04:40 PM | Sorry, I also forgot the ability to change any piece of hardware without requiring you to reinstall the OS :D
I like that part too. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/9/2007 9:08:32 PM | ^^^ sounds just like xp, ....gee, except the pretty and the resource hog parts. And you'll pay how much for it?
you forgot the lack of drivers, the non existent security, the 500 to 700 dollar video card to use dx10. the upgrade (RAM, CPU) most users face to run it. but hey its pretty | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/9/2007 10:16:33 PM | Did you even read what I wrote?
I listed differences from XP.
And you don't NEED A directx 10 card unless you want to play directx 10 games.
If you had half a clue about technology and software you'd understand why directx 10 is a GOOD Thing and why its NOT Backwards compatible.
Saves a ton of resources when sending commands to a piece of hardware not having to check compatibility first, and not having to have alternative methods based on what happens if those checks fail.
You response in general is an arrogant/ignorant attitude towards something you seem to actually know very little to nothing at all about.
But, keep trying, maybe one day you'll succeed. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/10/2007 11:05:28 AM | funny how my opinion mirrors most of the other peoples on this thread. and not once do i lower myself to name calling.
my response is based on my experience running the betas and RCs, what I've read on the web, in articles and tech forums. So I guess that makes everyone else arrogant and ignorant except you and bill gates.
and "keep trying, one day I'll succeed?" wtf is that about. it doesn't even make sense.
and now I'm going to ignore you since "I'm" the ignorant/arrogant one.
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/12/2007 4:59:32 PM | | I sure don't. Especially with what it will cost to upgrade the hardware too. I'll bet the only Vista thet sells is the Vist that comes loaded in new PC's. Not too many people are gonna' go for the upgrade with all that you have to do for it. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/13/2007 1:55:23 PM | Hey Plentofric.
You sound like you have some experience with this beta vista an I could use your help. I am running vista Beta RC1 and it is shutting down. I got pop up messages advising me to buy a retail copy. Then windows explorer shuts down and restarts every 4 sec. I have a copy of XP pro that I need to install BUT I need to save my documents and pictures. When I insert the disc Explorer shuts down and restarts so fast the disc cant start loading. I cant get into control panel or documents. AVG claims no virus, SpyBot claims no spy ware but this starting and stopping looks like a virus. Can you advise please??? Thanks. Mail me at brn.hartley@yahoo.ca as Your restrictions won`t allow males to contact you. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/13/2007 10:25:16 PM | I think it'll all break down about like this : M$ devotees will have to have it while new computer sales will move the bulk of Vista OSs sold/implemented.
Here at the casa, me and ol Tux will just keep kickin it and smilin :>)
Kim | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/14/2007 1:16:11 AM | 2 b honest, I believe that Vista is garbage, another marketing schem to make users to buy there oh my god, amazing vista, when you buy vista, then have to upgrade your machine to handle the resource hog.
My self, I believe Vista is a waste of time, same with windows XP; from what I know about windows vista, its XP with more graphical hokus pocuks & cant forget its a lil more of a resource hog to XP, even tho Vista drivived from XP.
I personaly stick with Windows 2000, and just slap the Service Packs to it, but Ive gotten tired-some and unpatachient with MS Operating Systems. If I could suggest neything, the best bet would be to go with Linux, my personal fav's would be Distros: "Slackware, Gentoo" for more advanced users whom like to use the core of Unix type systems, Im using Slackware which act's more of like a unix type system, for the beginners, id suggest to go with Mandrake, Redhat, Fendora Core, they are very user friendly.
for the past few years the Linux Kernel has improved alot (current stable version 2.6.17.13) and has great hardware dection, and alot of comanies such as ATI, nVidia, Linksys, AOpen, etc are now offering alot more linux support, thus making game play, on line and shits alot more easier for people. BTW, there are program such as Cedega, Wine, Crossover Office that does allow you to use Windows Apps. and on top of that, there are other programs built just for linux that have been ported from Windows apps. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/14/2007 6:09:56 PM | [QUOTE]
FlashPlayer is a bit different. On linux they only supply the tarball and you have to run install-flashplayer (I think that's the script's name). It's always worked for me, but someone new to Linux may not know where their mozilla or FF install is and I can see it getting confusing. That's MM's issue though, they're primarily a Windows shop.
Other than that, and a few apps that aren't mainstream, and people reading this thread probably won't need, I can't remember installing anything from the tarball in the past several years.
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Well, I beleive that Flash is not redistribuable. Permission from Macromedia is required. For a company like MS / Apple etc., they just pay for the licence fee if they want to include it in their OS. If the OS is free, then there is no money coming in... Or they don't even know the number of users. This is why for a few things, it requires extra steps.
How easy actually depends on the Linux OS used.
I remember with Debian it was a script to download/install these kind of thing.
An interesting OS is Gentoo Linux. Gentoo does not distribute software but only "scripts" to download and build software. Things like Flash player are installed exactly as any other software. The user won't see a difference. But Gentoo has other things more complex and it is usually not considered for a OS for newbies... | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/17/2007 4:19:06 PM | There will always be new operating systems, you can either keep bolting stuff onto old ones, or have a clear out and clean the slate (probably not all of it)
If you have recently rebuilt, or are planning a rebuild the majority of people will put on a MS OS.
Now I have seen vista and had a little play & it's not a million miles away from XP.
I think DX10 will be the biggest reason for me to Upgrade.
Sure Vista with all the bells & whistles turned on is going to hog RAM & resources, but most recent desktop machines have loads of idle power lying around anyway.
So why not give the user the option to use it & make things look pretty.
As for me I won't be upgrading any of the machines at work & any new purchases will stick with XP for now.
I'll wait for the 1st SP (which is due out middle of 2007) before adding any to the work network. +
For home i would purchase OEM (£112 not sure on USD) on my next machine build which will have enough grunt (dual core, 2Gb ram + 8800 graphics) for the DX10 games (crysis is looking fantastic due June 2007)
This is the fourth (edit: 5th forgot about ME thankfully) MS OS release I have seen now and the same thing happens every time
why should we upgrade. Well when your old pc can't run something you want it to or it dies beyond repair then guess which OS you are more likely to get ?
My guess is that in the corporate market MS will have somthing up their sleeves on their next server release so that only vista clients connected to vista server will be able to perform some funky new functionality. I have no idea what this is but probably along the lines of virtualisation/disk imaging/remote admin. | |
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Posted: 2/20/2007 10:32:39 PM | | i've heard similar cases, i'm gonna wait a year before i upgrade. i run both win and mac and mac is still my no. 1 choice overall. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/21/2007 6:30:49 AM | ^^^ Mac is just a proprietary, overpriced machine that looks pretty. About the only thing die hard Mac people brag about is its ability to use Photo SHop which Windows already does without a problem.
People say Macs dont crash. I guess a pc would not crash either if it was so restricted on what it could and could not run  . I also cant stand those stupid Mac advertisement commercials. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/24/2007 2:56:35 PM | | I have been running the release version of vista on several computers for a couple weeks now. The release runs much faster than the beta versions because the debugging code has been stripped from it! If I didn't have access to business edition for free, I wouldn't have bothered. There are several small bugs, but it seems to run faster than XP. Just wait till SP1 comes out for it, then it would be worthwhile. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/24/2007 7:59:45 PM | You know, I hear soooooooooo many people complain about Vista and I laugh.
Seriously, what are you people running it on? An emulated system or something?
I'm running the Beta RC1 Ultimate (32 bit) on my laptop, 1.6 ghz AMD (solo core), 512mb of ram, An ATI X700 gpu with a total of 192mb ram.
I'll tell you right now, even with aero pretty interface, it still runs smooth, almost on par with XP, and in basic visual mode, it runs way faster.
NEVER has it used 512mb ram in one shot (I don't recall who posted that) give me a break.
I am curious though what are you people running it on? | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/26/2007 10:20:50 PM | i tried alot of the vista betas even when it was still codenamed longhorn. i wasnt to impressed with it then and i still am not impressed with it at all. i had the latest release of beta b4 it went full bore. and sadly to say every bit of data i had on my external drive was corrupted from the permissions. i lost 20 gig worth of important data. i see alot of this security is a good thing. but there is such a thing as to much security.
the worst part is i had to set permissions for the external so my pc would even let me access it. but yet i was even under the administrator account. why should i even have to set permissions for the administrator account. that kinda defeats the purpose of it being called administrator.
altho already i am sure there is alot of suckers that got conned into taking it. and the worst part of it all is soon we will have no choice but to upgrade or buy the full copy of it. as ms is doing the whole eol dance with xp. im really not happy about that at all.
i went and paid 300 for my copy of xp pro and now im being screwed into either paying for an upgrade package or a full on copy wich will set me back a prety penny and my xp will eventually be useless. sucks to be us ppl who get screwed into this type of situation. thank god ms knows we are all made of cash.
wait im not made of cash THIS BITES.  | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/27/2007 7:10:38 AM | As a PC support tech, I had a requirement to run/learn Vista.
I agree with your take on the Administrator accunt. Apparently, MS is now our Admin. When Vista is running smoothly (ie:ready to be replaced by MS after SP4) we'll discuss the next upgrade, i'm thinking of going redhat.... | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/28/2007 12:03:00 AM | The scariest thing I have heard about Vista (from a reliable source) is that when one is running this OS, it is part of the EUA that Windows can check your computer to make sure you're not running any "illegal" software - their own or anybody else's - and if they find it they will delete it from your system without so much as a "by your leave".
Now THAT scares the bejeesus out of me - but wtf do I know?
Darlene | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/28/2007 1:27:52 PM | | Well then why don't you BUY your software then, end of problem. If you read the license, it states that you have the right to USE the software, you don't own it, Microsoft does, so if you try to cheat and get caught, that's your own fault, end of story. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/28/2007 4:46:12 PM |
Well then why don't you BUY your software then, end of problem. If you read the license, it states that you have the right to USE the software, you don't own it, Microsoft does, so if you try to cheat and get caught, that's your own fault, end of story.
What if some software gets incorrectly deleted by errors? How does MS decides what is legal and what is not? Does it go only by licence or by laws of individual countries? Some licences say you cannot do something but the law say you can... For example, in Canada you are allowed to modify sofware for compatibility reasons (I actually use that exception currently :o ). What if the licence say you cannot modify the software? Actually a lot say you cannot.
There are quite a lot of open questions.
What if MS removes a software critical for your business, etc. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/28/2007 7:25:13 PM | YouTube has a video on multi-point touch-screens that makes the impetus to move to 3D, accellerated desktops make sense.
My problem with Vista? The EULA (not that I didn't have an issue with earlier ones either), and the price. I really don't want to pay $200 for the most stripped-down version of the OS, and $400 for the full one. | |
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| Windows Vista: who cares?
Posted: 2/28/2007 9:29:42 PM | KMC you missed the point of my post. Of COURSE Microsoft should have the right to remove any MICROSOFT software that I have on my system for which I have not paid the appropriate fees.
What concerns me is the slippery slope that they could delete ANYTHING that has been taken from a p2p site, based on the information that was given on a TECHTV show recently. So how can they tell if my mp3 files were paid for? Or any software NOT THEIRS that is running on my system?
That's my issue - with them deleting the stuff that IS NOT THEIRS.
Darlene | |
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