| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/15/2005 12:40:52 PM | YamIhere, you are so full of crap:
"No, it's not any better. But you can enjoy alcohol without abusing it. Smoking weed is done for one purpose alone - getting high. There's no such thing as not abusing weed."
I have been smoking pot for a couple of years now, about as long as I have beeen drinking. And to say that pot ismore dangerous is a crock of shit, one effects your liver, one your lungs, they produce the same basic psychological effects. One exception is that weed has a much smaller effect on your judgement, being drunk for a lot of people makes them rowdy and sometimes even destructive (not unlike the early myths about pot that made it illegal in the first place), while even if you are high as a kite on weed, you're more likely to sit around laughing with your friends then go out and break shit. And whats more I know and spend time with a lot of stoners and they are the friendliest, most entertaining people in the world. Sure there are the occasional burnouts - but you know what? There are a lot more alcoholics out there then burned out stoners. And on yet another note, alcohol is a really dangerous drug, its all too easy to drink yourself to death, but you would have to smoke something like 3000 joints in a sittting to kill yourself, and that would be from carbon monoxide, not canibinoids (if you dont believe me look it up).
Next time you want to make some stupid statement about things you know nothing about, dont just throw some stupid bullshit propaganda out there and treat it like fact, look into the issue and see how full of shit you really are. Because I am so sick of people slagging pot when they have no knowledge about it beyond the crap that the DEA feeds them. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/15/2005 12:51:00 PM | I will never,never ,never understand why people smoke cigs.Useless habit.It stinks,gives you bad breath and health problems and what do you get in return?Addiction to a habit that doesn't even give you a buzz,now how does that make sense?How is that superior to pot?
I've smoked pot off an on for over 30 years.It has had no effect whatsover on my daily life with friends,family,work or anything else.But then I have this thing called common sense.I have no problem keeping it in perspective.A buzz on your off time when you don't have to worry about things is no problem,but you can't live there.That goes for any and every mood altering substance.The problem arises when people think they have to live buzzed all the time.
Gateway drug,narco terrorism..geez,I wish those morons in goverenment would come up with something new for a change.It was made illegal back in the 30's to keep the Mexicans out.That attempt failed miserably,just as connecting it to terrorism has failed and will fail,what do they take us for?
I hate ciggarettes and I'm not too fond of alcohol,two drugs our government loves.The government hates pot because they can't put their stamp on it and make money from it.A good enough reason for me to continue to love it.If the government hates it,it's probably a good thing. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/15/2005 1:05:52 PM | | THAT IS NOT A FAIR QUESTION, i am a smoker and i have been for quite a while i go through a pack a week and don't do drugs. i would take a person who smoked over a pot head any day think about it $9 canadian for a pack of smokes or a joint that costs $10 a gram. and i'd like to meet the pot head that only smokes a gram of pot a week my friends spend at least $20 a week on pot. besides pot heads are losers | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/15/2005 1:16:57 PM | its not fair?? lol that statement alone tells a lot about you. As for being a smoker and and doing drugs??? Just what is it that you think Nicotine is??? lol I guess you don't drink coffee either then.... And if you want to compare the costs... 2 pks od cigs a day (which is what was stated in the OP) would be 18$ a day, or 126$ a week... a joint is worth about 5$ if you just go buy a joint... 120 will buy at least 1/2 oz of high grade bud which should give you at least 50 joints... and if your only smoking one joint a week you probably wouldnt smoke a full joint...
you are right about a pothead smoking more than a joint a week... a pot head is someone who smokes at least a couple of joints a day...
As for us potheads being losers... thank you kindly for your opinion...
p.s. theres a lot more losers than there are potheads... and most of them spout crap that means nothing or worse yet is wrong...
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/15/2005 1:50:12 PM | okay... think of it this way... about the scenario you described... you have other choices other than quitting the job... you could buy air filters for your office or better yet, get your company to have actual smoking rooms that are comfortable and air filtered... name the situation and there are alternatives to the government stepping in and making a blanket regulation...
and just think about some of the silliness that is involved in it... a welder who sits there and breathes welding fumes all day, can't smoke a cigarette... instead, make him unhappy by telling him he can't smoke or only in a certain area... either way he isnt as happy and is going to be less productive... lol
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@ ChronicTom
I agree that their are other solutions rather then having the government step in and forcing all business owner's to comply to certain rules and regulations such as making all public establishments non smoking. You suggested a few that seem reasonable. Will I foot the bill. Nope, unless I have a share in the business itself. It's not for me to pay for such expenses if I'm just an employee. As for your example of the welder I couldn't help but have a smile on my face when I read it. We can all make an argument in our defense. I agree that their are some workplaces that are hazardous to our health. It's not just a smoking issue. People are working under certain conditions and breathing other things that are just as unhealthy as cigarette smoke (like the welder guy) he! he! Hopefully the day that you hire this welder he will get off his behind and be productive. He might have to smoke a few cigarettes beforehand to get him going. lol I'm just playing with you here. I hope you have a sense of humour because I do. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/15/2005 1:55:59 PM | THAT IS NOT A FAIR QUESTION, i am a smoker and i have been for quite a while i go through a pack a week and don't do drugs. i would take a person who smoked over a pot head any day think about it $9 canadian for a pack of smokes or a joint that costs $10 a gram. and i'd like to meet the pot head that only smokes a gram of pot a week my friends spend at least $20 a week on pot. besides pot heads are losers
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@ shy girl
Although I don't smoke pot myself I hardly would refer to someone who smokes one joint a week a pothead. Lots of very productive people will toke once a week and are by no means LOSERS. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/15/2005 2:02:53 PM | I'm a smoker and I've always gone been as considerate as possible to non-smokers. I never bought this crap about having smoking sections either so I'll side with anybody who thinks that's not a valid argument.
In my province, there are pretty well no places that allow smoking. Even in private clubs. Personally I think that's a little too far. They want to ban it in restaurants? I can understand that. They want to have it banned in the workplace? I can understand that as well. What I don't understand is why (and this is where it starts infringing on public versus private rights IMO) a business owner can't designate and seal off a room or something to cater to the smoking clientele. Firstly, it's not the government's business to tell a business owner what he can or she can't do as long as no crimes are committed. Secondly, this is a pretty happy compromise since everybody wins. Instead what we have are these draconian laws against a legal product. I have a great example of just how stupid it gets but I'm not going to get into it.
Anyway, that's my (let's see....carry the three...um...move the decimal....) 4,366 cents.
Oh, and Ritz....smoking IS a drug. Addiction remember?
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@ Gotapulse
I agree with your posting with the exception of the very last line. I don't believe smoking is a drug (addiction). It's a choice. People who smoke do so willingly.
P.S. I did a thread on this very topic. Is it an addiction or lack of self control/self indulgence. I can't remember the exact title of the thread. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/16/2005 5:53:59 PM | @ Ritz
C'mon, nicotine is a drug. It's listed in every textbook on the subject out there. It falls under the stimulant class. Booze is also a drug which falls under the depressant classification. Just because we're used to hearing about drugs in the colloqial sense as anything that gets you blasted out of your gourd doesn't mean there aren't other drugs out there. Aspirin is a drug as well as penicilin. See what I mean? | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
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@ Gotapulse
I respect your opinion however I disagree. I won't go into details as to why since I already posted a thread on that very topic awhile back. You can check it out if you want. I think I mentioned this earlier. The thread is about it being addiction or lack of self control/self indulgence. I don't want to repeat what I already wrote in that thread. If you have the time or patience just do a search and you'll find it. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/16/2005 6:12:33 PM | I'm confused ritzNB, I went and read the other thread... and theres nothing about drugs... well not about what substancesare drugs, which is what gotapulses last post was about... wasnt it???
Gotapulse... I agree with you (seems your are stating facts...) caffeine and nicotine and aspirin and such are all classed as drugs...
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/16/2005 6:23:26 PM | Ritz
Since this is still part of the topic I'll only ask this : If it's not a drug then what is it? There is no scientific or medical textbook in the world that doesn't list it as a drug so I just can't see how you can say it isn't. It is a drug by definition. It's addictive as well and people enjoy it. What it isn't is a medicinal drug. It is a recreational drug. It is a recreational drug with addictive properties. In all cases it is definitely a drug though.
We can't pick and choose what we want something to be or mean so that it fits our view of it. That's called misinformation and leads to miscommunication.
You're entitled to your opinion and I understand that but on the subject of the definition of cigarettes, it's not open for interpretation. No more than calling your refrigerator an air-conditioner because you leave the door open.
Oh, and yes, I will check out your thread. It should be interesting read so thanks for the heads up on it. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
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@ ChronicTom
The point I'm trying to make in the other thread is that I don't believe alot of the stuff that is labelled an ADDICTION. I think it's an excuse in many cases for a lack of self control or self indulgence as I mention. I believe it can become physically addictive as in the case of substances such as certain hard drugs (cocaine, meth, crack ... ) or alcohol. Just look at the people who go through detox. How their bodies react in the withdrawal process. I think it's more of a mental dependency or habit that people get into and take it too far. I know if I drink past my limit I'll be uninhibited, more talkative, I might slurr my words a bit or have some lack of motor skills .... It's probably been years since that's happened (party days)To answer your question I don't believe that smoking tabacco is an addiction. I see it as a bad habit and not an addiction. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
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@ GeO
I tried it maybe 3 times when I was a teenager. My curiosity got the better of me. I wanted to see first hand what the big deal was. I never smoked an entire joint though so I'm sure I ever got the real effect. I did try pot brownies twice and that hit alright. Yikes !!! They were really strong. The man poured pot into a blender (full) and put the entire thing in the batch of brownies. Anyways, I can tell you it's not my thing. | |
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| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/16/2005 6:47:25 PM | RitzNB
To answer your question I don't believe that smoking tabacco is an addiction. I see it as a bad habit and not an addiction.
uhm... what question did I ask that could possibly be answered by that???? lol
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@ ChronicTom
LMAO I thought I was answering your question (perhaps reading between the lines). Let's just say it's a communication problem. Men and women don't talk the same language. he! he!  If this continues I think I'm going to go out and by myself 2 packs of cigarettes and a joint for this evening. Do you want to join me? That way you can pick on me all night. | |
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Msg: 250 | |
| Choice - a person who smokes 2 pks of cigarettes/day or a non smoker who smokes 1 joint a week
Posted: 7/17/2005 7:17:58 PM | I'm confused ritzNB, I went and read the other thread... and theres nothing about drugs... well not about what substancesare drugs, which is what gotapulses last post was about... wasnt it???
Gotapulse... I agree with you (seems your are stating facts...) caffeine and nicotine and aspirin and such are all classed as drugs...
***wondering just what part of this I missed***
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@ ChronicTom
I spoke of addiction in the other thread. I didn't spefically mention pot or cigarettes but my feelings are the same as far as that goes. In other words just substitute the addictions I mentioned and replace them by cigarettes and pot. I feel the same way. | |
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