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Posted: 12/14/2006 5:36:12 PM | As a Brit home schooling fascinates me, its so quaint. My daughter attends a private school, which in the uk you pay for rather than a state school which you dont. She is in gifted and talented groups for English, Maths, Art and science and gets extended in ICT now this requires specialist teaching to ability. How does a homes school manage that? I chose her school because they use my and the other parents money to bring in 25% of kids whose parents cant afford the fees. She receives a great grounding in socialisation at all levels, she also benefits from having friends from a multitude of cultures and all corners of the globe!
So in the states you allow unqualified persons to teach children in the home environment, a home environment that may be abusive, or inappropriate im thinking Waco etc here, those children are not actually given any choice surely. All sounds a bit 18th century to me im afraid | |
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Posted: 12/14/2006 6:01:17 PM | There's no such system here in almost every single instance. So, sorry chap, but those comments do not apply, as private schooling isn't an option over here, yet. In Canada, you can accept the very questionable public systems, throw them to the wolves in a catholic school, or try to do better yourself. & That's it.  | |
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Posted: 12/14/2006 7:18:31 PM |
As a Brit home schooling fascinates me, its so quaint. My daughter attends a private school, which in the uk you pay for rather than a state school which you dont. She is in gifted and talented groups for English, Maths, Art and science and gets extended in ICT now this requires specialist teaching to ability. How does a homes school manage that? I chose her school because they use my and the other parents money to bring in 25% of kids whose parents cant afford the fees. She receives a great grounding in socialisation at all levels, she also benefits from having friends from a multitude of cultures and all corners of the globe!
A homeschool (and there are many in the UK) has access to many and varied resources to challenge, inspire, engage and encourage accelerated students. The amount of resources (traditional curriculum, classes, computer support, private tutors, co-ops, etc) available to homeschoolers in 2006 is overwhelming. We are in the dubious position of having almost too many rather than limited choices in meeting the specific educational needs of our children.
Again, you position your choice as if it's the only one in which socialization and multiculturalism exists. Certainly it does in your setting. As it does in the overwhelming majority of homeschools.
So in the states you allow unqualified persons to teach children in the home environment, a home environment that may be abusive, or inappropriate im thinking Waco etc here, those children are not actually given any choice surely. All sounds a bit 18th century to me im afraid
That's a huge leap, insulting and inaccurate comparision. Certainly homeschoolers don't have the corner of the market on cultish, abusive and horrible situations. As a culture and in our government, we miss too many of those situations regardless of where the children are educated.
Test scores, college success and other factors have consistently proven that homeschoolers are academically on par or above in spite of the fact that their education is facilitated by parents. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 1:52:15 AM |
Test scores, college success and other factors have consistently proven that homeschoolers are academically on par or above in spite of the fact that their education is facilitated by parents.
Could you please direct me to some factual information by a reliable source, mot some small half-@ss poll from one zip code..Thank You very much.
I use to be 100% against home schooling. Especially when I seen my school system which has a very high scholastic and sucess rate in my local area go to letting stay home moms home school that don't even have a GED..WTF?
I am now 99.5% against home schooling because I do know of one local family that raised 6 children (youngest is under 18 still) and all went on to college several with scholarships.
However, she is a RARE RARE breed in the contact I have had with home schooling moms.
It takes a very very special person to home school.
Remember my daugher as myself (same schools) will have/had nearly 75 different teachers in 13 years.
Can one home school parent really provide anything close to that????
I truly believe in a good school that the parent is active invovled with as well as actively involved in your child/ren school work for the 13 years is truly the best option for your child.
Technically, My daughter is public schooled 32 1/2 hrs a weeks, and home schooled (5 hours/ week, homework) and in the area of another 30-40 hours we spend one-on-one learning/playing together each week.
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Posted: 12/15/2006 3:59:04 AM | Midley
I am glad that you have strategies for dealing with more able children, however, you cannot speak for all home schools only your own. Wheras in a national context my child follows National Curriculum and there are checks and balances in place, including regular testing and assessment of not only her, but also her teachers! What testing takes place for the quality of teaching in home schools, not just your own obviously well run home school but in the community in general.
That's a huge leap, insulting and inaccurate comparison. Certainly homeschooling don't have the corner of the market on cultish, abusive and horrible situations. As a culture and in our government, we miss too many of those situations regardless of where the children are educated.
Sorry no offence intended. The fact that as a culture you miss many of these cases is not the issue. What is in place to check the welfare of home schooled children? Same Caveat as above, after all we are all acutely aware are we not that the greatest threat in terms of abuse etc is posed to children by parents and in the home. I am a Governor of my daughters school as such and because that gives me limited access to children, I am required to have a current CRB check (criminal Record Bureau) What is required of homeschoolers in this regard. In primary school children, what checks are made in regard to nutrition and vaccinations. What checks are made in terms of the appropriateness of the instruction given to society as a whole. I can just see the scope for abuse at both ends of the religious and political spectrum's.
Also how can you have a multicultural and diverse home school in general ?
I am not in these cases speaking of your HS but in general.
Test scores, college success and other factors have consistently proven that homeschoolers are academically on par or above in spite of the fact that their education is facilitated by parents.
But its hardly a level playing field is it? I mentioned above that my daughters school take 25% of their intake from less affluent families. I can tell you if this 25% were removed 100% of the pupils leaving for secondary education last year would have been in the top 5% nationwide. As it was 95% were. This is the effect that having a broad educational base has on results. If you take out the bottom 25% of poor and underclass kids from the UK system and bang we have the best educated kids in the world, surely this is simply what is reflected in Home schools results ? The sorts of parents that cant be bothered to give their kids breakfast, do homework, read with etc don't home school I would imagine? So its important that like for like comparisons are made, how do home school compare with say the best schools in the most affluent areas? | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 4:21:24 AM | I do NOT believe in homeschooling except in the cases where the parent is doing it in the best interests of their child, and not for their own selfish needs. What I mean by that, is that if a parent is uneducated themselves, they are hardly in a position to teach their children properly. As well, unless a parent is a truly organized and consistent person who will adhere to a strict schedule, homeschooling will fail. I feel so sorry for kids homeschooled in those circumstances. However, that said - if a parent wants to homeschool, and they are proven functional, intelligent and capable of doing it, then why not.
I know a couple who chose to homeschool simply because they did not want the "expense" of school, did not want their kids around those "public school heathens" who were not practicing the same religion, and did not want to have to work so chose to homeschool and their kids are paying the price. This woman barely graduated high school, is low functioning, doesn't get out of bed before 10am (suffers from "fybromalgia" or some thing like that), and her kids are unkempt. Yet she declares that schools are bad, and wont' send her children, which is my opinion is abusive, as she is setting them up for failure in life.
I think those who choose to homeschool should be held to very high and strict rules and regulations, and have checks done by the Government, or education boards in their area. If the kids are not up to par with those in the educational system, then they should be mandated back to school. This is not about what is best for the parents, it is about giving kids the very best chance at life possible, which means a higher education. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 8:12:15 AM |
There's no such system here in almost every single instance. So, sorry chap, but those comments do not apply, as private schooling isn't an option over here, yet. In Canada, you can accept the very questionable public systems, throw them to the wolves in a catholic school, or try to do better yourself. & That's it.
That's odd.. My kids who were born and raised in Ontario were both in Private school (until the split where i couldn't afford it anymore)..
So yes there is Private school options in Ontario. I am VERY concerned if you are homeschooling and aren't aware of the fact that there is private education available. What else have you missed? | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 8:46:47 AM | Ontario Is A Very Large Place When You Escape The Golden Horseshoe. Most In The GTA Have No Idea Just How Vast A Land It Is. So Let Me Tell You, There Is Nothing Like A Private School Within Many Hundreds Of Miles Of Thunder Bay. 34 Hours Of School Bus Riding Daily For A 7 Year Old Just Doesn't Sound That Practical For Some Strange Reason. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 9:15:06 AM | So
Agape Christian Academy
Dennis Franklin Cromarty High School
Thunder Bay Christian School
Are not private then ? | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 9:37:28 AM | It's clear that many of the people hostile to or skeptical of homeschooling in this thread are not familiar with many homeschoolers, the availability of curriculum and extracurricular choices and the actual social and academic results.
A quick search will reveal a large number of studies, some of which indicate that state involvement has no bearing on the effectiveness of homeschooling.
I'm in a different place politically than some posters in this thread. I support less, not more, involvement of the government into families. Relatedly, abuse, neglect and other issues are found in families no matter where they are educated.
I agree with the poster who said parental involvement in combination with a great school is the best for HIS family. The suggestion that it's best for every is as erroneous as me suggesting everyone should homeschool or that homeschooling is best across the board. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 9:40:57 AM | Two Are Exclusively Christian, One A Native HighSchool.
Thanks, But No Thanks. Not Interested. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 9:50:15 AM | I'd like to take time to respond...however, I don't have time just now. Posting to bookmark this forum.
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Posted: 12/15/2006 9:54:05 AM | Agape Christian Academy
* Affiliation: Christian
* School type: Religious or Denominational
Aglace Chapman Education Centre
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, First Nations
Baibombeh Anishinabe School
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, First Nations
Chief Simeon McKay Education Centre
* Affiliation: Christian
* School type: First Nations
Cornerstone Christian School
* Affiliation: Mennonite
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum
* Association membership: Ontario Accelerated Christian Education Association
Deer Lake First Nation School
* School type: First Nations
Dennis Franklin Cromarty High School
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, First Nations
Ear Falls Christian School
* Affiliation: Christian
Eenchokay Birchstick School
* School type: First Nations, Special Education/Needs
Emmanuel Christian Academy
* Affiliation: Christian, Learning Center
* School type: Religious or Denominational
* Association membership: Ontario Accelerated Christian Education Association
Full Gospel Christian Academy
* Affiliation: Christian
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, Religious or Denominational
* Association membership: Ontario Accelerated Christian Education Association
Intola Baptist Church
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, Religious or Denominational
* Elementary/ Secondary
John C. Yesno Education Centre
* School type: First Nations
Keewaytinook Internet High School
* School type: First Nations, Internet-based only
Lydia Lois Beardy Memorial School
* School type: First Nations
Mikinaak Onigaming School
* School type: First Nations
Neskantaga Education Centre
* School type: First Nations
Nibinamik Education Centre
* School type: First Nations, Special Education/Needs
Nimiki Migizi Secondary School
* School type: First Nations, Special Education/Needs
North Star Christian Day School
* Affiliation: Mennonite
* School type: Special Education/Needs
Pelican Falls First Nations High School
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, First Nations
Pic River Private High School
* School type: First Nations
Pineview Mennonite School
* Affiliation: Mennonite
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum
Sakatcheway Anishinabe
* Offers credits towards the Ontario Secondary School Diploma
* School type: First Nations
Seven Generations Secondary School
* School type: First Nations
Simon Jacob Memorial Education Centre
* School type: First Nations, Special Education/Needs
Thomas Fiddler Memorial High School
* Affiliation: Christian
* School type: First Nations
Thunder Bay Christian School
* Affiliation: Christian
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, Religious or Denominational
* Association membership: Ontario Alliance of Christian Schools
Upsala Christian School
* Affiliation: Christian
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, Religious or Denominational
Wabaseemoong School
* Affiliation: Non-sectarian
* School type: First Nations, Special Education/Needs
Wahsa Distance Education Centre
* School type: First Nations
Zhingwaako Zaigaing School
* School type: Academic, broadbased curriculum, First Nations, Special Education/Needs
Sorry But When Every Single School Offers Exactly The Same Thing.
I See That As No Option At All. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 11:38:08 AM | Socialization is the only real argument anti-homeschoolers really push, now I have seen in my 20 plus years of homeschooling parents who fail their kids academically, and public schools do quite more often ,but that is just my opinion!
Now we are talking about preparation for "real life" as if childhood is not real life, how many of us are still emotionally dealing with our childhood issues ,but that's not my point.
let's see ,
wow my adult job is going to be with a large group of people my same age and education level?
I'm bright ,but I can only have access to materials deemed age appropriate !
let's see it's lunch break at work and all those under 30's have their own special place to eat
I don't see the difference in it's ridiculousness, why do it to children.
socialization is a myth, perpetrated by segregation
it seems the only "socially" acceptable segregation, we as a society have is with children and elders, and it is so defended and ingrained as to be thought an important part of living, we are just beginning to reacept that our elders have a right to die at home. and hopefully our children will be seen soon to have a right to grow up intermingled with all ages.
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Posted: 12/17/2006 3:48:33 PM | Midly
The questions I asked, are they too difficult to answer? Or do you have no answers?
From your later post, I would suggest that you and also many home schoolers are ill at ease with society, with state etc. Thats fair enough but surely your kids have the right to decide | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 4:25:34 PM | | Actually it's the parent's "right" to make such decisions. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 4:45:56 PM | TBay
So your children have no rights, society and we all know it takes a village to raise a child has no rights. Very sad really!
What is it that you and other home schoolers are afraid of exactly? | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 5:08:51 PM | What A Specious Argument. Geesh.
Anyway, Not Interested. Go Bait Someone Else. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 5:11:31 PM | allcrakedup:
So your children have no rights, society and we all know it takes a village to raise a child has no rights. Very sad really!
What is it that you and other home schoolers are afraid of exactly?
For allot of people who home school it's not about being afraid of anything.. It's a choice. They would prefer their children learn certain things.. And in order to ensure they do, choose to do it themselves..
It's like saying those who put their children in Private Religious school are afraid of the Public system... When in fact they want the religious aspect embeded more.. As they feel that through a greater understanding of religion, they will be productive people..
For that matter... Why do some parents choose not to take their kids to Church and learn more religion? Are they afraid of something there? Something may happen to their kids in church, and become brainwashed?
Again I don't think fear is the largest determing factor in deciding to home school. But simple choice to want to raise their kids in a certian fashion.. Have certain ideals instilled into them...
I have seen many many studies that show Home Schooled children actually school higher on IQ tests then Public School children? Maybe thats a reason... But to simply account fear as it, is a little short sighted. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 5:37:24 PM | put 1000 home schoolers vs 1000 public schoolers and the results will most likely come out even.
Though the homeschool "teacher" can't possibly be able to cover subjects as thouroughly as a public school system.. these kids are resillient. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 6:17:14 PM | i've seen both sides of this issue. my son was in public school from preschool through 11th grade. he did very well from preschool through 5th grade. 6th & 7th grade is where all his hard work started to fail. i moved him out of LA Unified school district and he did better in latter part of 7th grade through about 9th grade. his grades started to slip again but he brought them up in time to study in japan through 11th grade. upon his return, his high school, the same school that said they'd recognize his japanese high school credits, decided they would not allow all of his credits to transfer and he'd probably have to repeat the 11th grade. i pulled him from regular high school and place him in a "home schooling" environment. i only wished i had done that sooner! within one month, he was able to obtain the credits the public school would not honor. he graduated 4th in his class, with honors & will be attending a private university in japan.
through the year he was home schooled, he did not have an issue with socialization because the other homeschooled students saw each other twice a week and they organized more field trips together in that one year than my son experienced in 5 years of regular schooling. he was afforded the benefit of one on one attention from his teacher as there were only 13 kids in her graduating class but over a thousand in this particular organization's graduating class for this region. he made life long friends and his teacher still keeps in touch with us.
education can be what you make of it and then there's those of us who live in CA. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 6:31:01 PM | Not Done Living.....
Why Couldn't A Home School Teacher Cover A Subject As Thouroughly As The Public School System?  | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 7:12:55 PM | Hands up..
Who here is professional Mathematician , A Writer, A scientist, a geoliist a geographer, and artist, a physician, a sports man.
Sure you may know that 1+1 = 2 , that i comes before e except after c (and its many exceptions) that when you add vinigar and baking soda you get fizz, that volcanos are big and scary, and that the gist of basketball is to get the ball into the hoop .. but does that qualify you as a teacher?
Do you understand the underlying concepts? Could you be succesful at ANY one of those things? you are short changing your children and insulting the many people who take pride in their careers. Not just teachers.. but every single person who works in any of those fields. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 8:05:37 PM | How Often Does A Professional Mathmetician Teach Primary Math?
Do You Really Think There Are Scientists Teaching Elementary Science?
Would A Doctor Go Backwards & Teach HighSchool Biology?
That's What Universities Are For.
Before That, It's Strictly By The Book.
And Those Books Are Available To All.
Not That Most Home School Teachers Will Subject Their Children Solely To TextBooks.
They Will Sometimes However Quickly Go Through TextBooks, Several Grades Above What Traditional Students Their Age Are Mired In, As A WarmUp, Before They Get Down To The Real Work. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 8:32:31 PM | not done... and you're short changing your children by placing them in an academic environment that is not condusive to learning. that's not to say that all public or private schools fall into that category but again... i live in los angeles county. our schools are 4th from the bottom of the list!
teachers here are required to teach what the school district wants them to teach... nothing more, nothing less. here in CA, it's about collecting that money for each kid who attends school each day. heck, the teachers text books have all of the answers written in the back of the book... what's that say about teachers? if they were really teaching anything above and beyond what a parent can teach a child, they wouldn't need the answers clearly laid out for them in their textbooks. i mean no disrespect to teachers but let's face it... they teach what they're told to teach because they are teachers, not mathematicians, writers, scientists, geologists, etc. if they were anything else, they wouldn't be teaching our children in a classroom environment.
and yes... i could have taught my son everything in every subject he was required to pass because when his teachers failed him throughout the years... it was ME who taught him the work he was required to complete. and i wasn't given the standard issue textbook with the answers in the back!  | |
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