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Posted: 8/9/2007 7:04:35 PM |
sorry but gotta put my 2 cents in on this one... my son is 15 years old and has been home schooled for 6 of them years, and he was not robed of poper socialation, he got friend outside of school, the schools here sucks no one cares about the kids.. and I know this for a fact I fight so much to have my son learn in school that in grade 6 he was at a grade 2 level..now who fault is that mine? I am not paid to teach, so I did what I had to do and got even the school board to pay for the home schooling a teacher came to my place 3 times a week..just my 2 cents here
This post is why I think if a parent is going to home school, they should have a teaching degree. This OP's spelling and grammar is terrible. How is a child going to learn properly, if the parent doesn't use proper spelling and grammar? If anything, the parent should of learned this by teaching and studying with the child.
I also think children need to learn to listen and take directions from others, besides the parents. When a child goes into college or the work force, I think it will be hard for them to adjust to other people telling them what to do etc.
I had my kids in a Charter school for their elementary years. At times, I felt they were missing out on some of the socialization and extracurricular activities the public school had. Even though their school had some opportunities, it was still different than the public school. When they moved into the public school system for junior high and high school, they loved it. | |
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Posted: 8/9/2007 7:42:07 PM | I got past 2 posts and I am not reading any further. I feel the need to respond.
I homeschooled in elementary. 
I was part of a homeschool organization. We had a basketball team, cheerleaders, social events, and yes even proms and graduations!!! So the "robbing of socialization" is OUT the window.
But that's your best way IMO. Find a local organization and go with that. It's more fun and you can meet more people with common interests. :)
I went to a Christian school after that and then entered into the public school setting.  | |
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Posted: 8/10/2007 7:08:35 PM | I am so sorry that some of you that are against homschooling cannot/will not read the rest of the posts. Or research the issue.
Why would you blame any mentally illness on the mother? Why would you think that homeschool mothers are over-possessive?
Why would you use this as the basis of making homeschooling illegal? Why do you assume that homeschool children have no access to any other people?
Homeschooling is growing dramatically as a choice for many families internationally. Must be a reason.
"Scratch the surface of a biker and you will find an over possessive mother. Bikers develop their social skills interacting only with non-bikers. Biking should be against the law.(' ')('')('')
What kind of mother I choose to be is none of your business. (' ') | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 6:18:51 AM | | I think you are right, and as for my spelling.WHATEVER.....And its like you never make a mistake | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 6:20:14 AM | | and you never made mistakes? grow up.my son is better off being home schooled | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 9:34:41 AM | | Our local communit college has classes through a co-op program..they are great! not to mention all the endless opportunity our city provides with Nature centers, library resources and cultural events. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 11:02:38 AM | It amazes me sometimes but not ALWAYS how ppl like to stereotype.
My belief is you do what is best for your child/children.
The benefits to homeschooling for my ds was it has enabled him to get an education.
He has an anxiety/panic disorder.
I am sure there are many other reasons for homeschooling but that is the reason our family has embraced it.
He is unable to deal with large crowds and for him a smaller environment like our home worked for him.
It isn't for every child and it takes committment on both the parent and child to make it work.
It can and it does.
Children who are homeschooled are not socially deprived despite what you believe or have seen/witnessed.
Socialization does not just come through attending school.
Not all of us are social...it doesn't mean we are lacking something necessarily either. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 12:45:09 PM | | some people don't like putting there children in school ...and some don't like to take them to see a doctor when they are sick ..there should be a laws against stuff like that , its abusive to deprive children of something they are all being offered freely in a modern country .they have teachers aids now to help the ones with disorders and require additional one on one time | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 3:36:42 PM | You have no clue what goes on in public schools. Equating homseschooling to not taking a child to the doctor when they are sick is comparing apples and oranges. Public schools are not free, our tax dollars pay for them. If you do not know this maybe you should be taking a remedial tax class. Have you ever even been on a campus lately?
You calling homeschooling abuse is proof that you have neither researched the subject or want to. What can I say? Do you even have kids? Are you a special education teacher?Do you know any? Have you ever worked with one?
Parents that homeschool are here to share what a powerful and positive experience homeschooling is for our families. We know homeschooling is a good thing. Others, based on nothing, attack us for doing what is our right and duty as parents. They attack because we spell a word wrong. Or make a grammatical error. Nowhere in the parent handbook does it require us to be perfect. (do not look, there isn't one. ) If a homeschooling parent mispells something ,so what? They are not teaching here. They are just expressing themselves. Sometimes the point is more important than the form/style. One of my greatest teachers could not read much less spell. It is a passion for us, doing what is right for our families. Does not passion make for a better teacher? Can you say that all the "experts" on school campus never make a mistake or abuse kids? I have proof otherwise. Is the staff on campus from another planet with superior educational skills. No they are people just like homeschooling parents. My weakness is math, my strong point is english. I have parents who are math wizards help my son with that. Sometimes I even sit in and learn ,too.I help their kids with spelling and such. The first thing we teach is we do not know it all. But, we know where to look it up.
Research a subject before you condemn it. That is one of the rules my family follows. How about your family? Oh, that is right you turn them over to strangers and hope for the best. No research needed.
condi rice was homeschooled. Look how she failed. The National Spelling Bee this year was won by a homeshooler. This abuse must be stopped.
Homeschool families everyday put up with social workers sent by schools coming to their door. Insisting to interviewing children alone. Doing strip searches. Charged with educational neglect. All without due process. See the fourth amendment. Those that comply sometimes have their kids removed only on a guess by the social worker. Those who do not end up in court. It usually gets dropped for various reasons. All based on the theory that "parents bad, nanny state good." Before you applaud this remember we just lost a child here in hawaii. I do not remember his name. He was in public school, first grade. On a false accustation of child abuse from the school the state remove the child from the home. They came and left quickly in the evening. The parent not knowing their rights complied. See the people who came lied about what they could and could not do. They had no legal basis to remove the child they just said they did. They told the parents they would be arrest if they did not comply. Social workers do not have that right. Two days later this child was dead. Why? Breaking all contact with parents. They were told by social worker not to contact them or they would be arrested. The parents never had a chance to tell them that the child had asthma.Needed his treatment 2x daily. Social worker came on friday, child had attack and then died saturday. Foster parent had no skill or ablitity to identify or treat asthma. Foster parent never knew the child had asthma. Have you ever seen a child have a severe asthma attack.
My son had asthma. I stood by and watch them feverishly try to save him. He almost died. He was in the hospital for 3 days. Some of the staff at the ER and hospital blamed my smoking. We had a cat, they blamed the cat. Told me to get rid of her. She just died at the age of 19. We wanted to get a dog. They adviced against it. Asthma continued for about 6 more months. In that time we kept the cat.She was 15 years old and stayed to herself most of the time. We got a dog. 100 pound puppy. I still smoked. He had minor attacks but I had switched Drs. She took him off of the 23 different medicines he was on. She had him on only 2 meds to be taking at night. The kicker is that when I started homschooling him his asthma completely disappeared. So did the nightmares, grinding teeth and angry outbursts. That hostile, withdrawn child no longer exsists. I have my son back. I totally contribute the change to homeschooling. There are 10s of thousands stories like mine. Look them up. We all could not be wrong? Stress is one of the biggest factors into causing asthma.
You are advocating more laws to permit and increase this consquence free abuse. (In hawaii ,at least ,no one wants to sue the state.) Without research? What is wrong with you?
I share not to whine and not to fight. I share because I know for everyone who advocates more laws and support the nanny state there are those who read my words and know they are not alone. That there is a solution. Those are the people I care about.
Maybe instead of attacking homeschoolers you should look at your own theories. 1. G-A-T-H-E-R I-N-F-O-R-M-A-T-I-O-N.
Now where is my spitoon....('')
I just shared this with my son. I said I put the thing about about the spitoon in cause some of these people act like I am an idiot.
He said "Maybe they're not wrong". Another reason we love homeschooling. Anytime and everywhere there we are.
To my awesome son,Thank you for being you!('')(' ')(' ')(' ') | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 5:18:42 PM | | I was going to homeschool my daughter, as she is of school-age this year. I am a single parent with no child support, no family help at all, and having to work full-time. Homeschooling her would not be fair to her, me, or my other children. I enrolled her in a private school and I think we will be happy with that. I'm also working from home now so I can have more free time with the kids when they get home in the evenings. Anything is possible if you put your mind to it, but definitely weigh the pros and cons before you make any decisions. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 5:30:15 PM | nothing wrong with helping with homework...but why not let him have a life without his mother wiping his nose . he will sort things out and find his niche ,make some best friends and grow up a lot happier .we have to work with what we have and do the best we can and the sooner we start the better we get at it .we build confidence with every accomplishment and obstacle we overcome along the way .motorcycles are not allowed in school ,i don't support child welfare or family services in any way at all and i smoke so stay on topic here .I disagree with you and i think its terribly wrong to deny him the socializing that comes with school ,home school shrinks a child's already small world.It should be fun to be a child.
yes i see i dont hit the caps .so don't point that out next | |
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Posted: 8/13/2007 5:41:06 PM | Ive homeschool my son this is our fourth year and we love it!!!
Ive found that using a prepackage curriculum helps a great deal just be sure to get a good quality one. On average a homeschool day is like 3-4 hours of work on your core materials plus adding sports and some kind of social, music. Depending on the age of your child /children, you can give them their assignment sheets and have them do their assignments while you work at least for the easier subjects, saving questions and challenging subjects for your times together.
I currently work from home which has made this easier but I will say it took us about 6 month to establish a set routine and a lil longer for my son to then get used to doing his own work and respecting that I was working.Now we are great. Hope this helps!! If you have questions feel free to contact me | |
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Posted: 8/14/2007 7:19:02 PM | If you think my remark about bikes had anything to do with bikes being in school well, I do not know what to say. Most people understood what my point.
I was trying to show your attitude about homschooling reversed. Using your "logic" on another subject. My choice was bikes. I was hoping you would see how offense your generalization about homeshcool was. Did the light go on for you?
You should check into the hostile attitude you have about mothers.
Well, if you do not like welfare and social service ,then grab your helmet, cause that is exactly what our schools are turning into. These are your tax dollars, too. My sons old school had less than 1,000 students. They have 5 state run social services on campus. More in the works. Mostly operated by uniformed volunteers. The rest are first year physcology student interns. The plan is where you can get free medical and welfare all in one place. Food stamps too. At our public schools.Everyday when the students enter class they fill out a compostition book. Subject-what went on in your house the evening before. Everyday! Every Wed. the students spend only half day in class. Why? The teachers attend meetings on things like how to diagnosis mental illness, spot people who need social services and other related things.When he was in kindergarten they gave me a form to take home and ask my son the questions on said form. Filled out with his answers. I refused, does that make me an overbearing parent? One of the questions was " Have you (son) ever had,wanted to have, thought, or dreamed about having sex with an animal." It was 4 pages of questions like this. My son does not know this . Does that make me a bad parent? Parents grumble all the time because they spend, on average, 3 hours a night doing work that should be covered in class. What are they doing during class time? It was common knowledge that 17 students in my sons class was on Ritilan. Having an Honor student is not important there, having your child drugged and under control is. Younger parents brag about it. That way they fit in real nicely with the system. This happening to one degree or another all over the world.
From 2 years pre-school to 1st grade my biggest heart break was that my son had no friends. NONE. Most of the other kids did not either. Unless it was a cliche' or gangsta wannabes. Now that he homeschools he has so many friends, young and old, we lost count. He has met people from all over the world. Japan, Italy and Spain are among his favorites subjects because of homschooling. No one tells him anymore when he wants to share something that he is lying or making things up. I am no longer being pressured to get him "help" for things like when my kindergarten son walk on his tippy toes. The barrage was nonstop and foolish. When he finds something that he is passionate about it he has good , solid people to share with. He interacts with male adults of superior quality. Our world is bigger, not smaller. And he is old enough to wipe his own nose. If you think my son has a cushy life with no obstacles than you are sadly misinformed. If you think he is unhappy you are clueless.
No socialism in this household. My kid,my house, my call! Is that enough on topic? | |
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Posted: 8/14/2007 8:28:25 PM |
disagree with you and i think its terribly wrong to deny him the socializing that comes with school ,home school shrinks a child's already small world.It should be fun to be a child.
This is the most uneducated statement I've read in this entire discussion.
Deny my child the socialization that comes with school? OH, you mean the bullies, the pedophile teachers and the crappy, unhealthy food? I'm glad my kids have missed out on that.
Homeschooling shrinks their world? How is that, when my children have travelled hundreds of thousands of miles with me and seen more in their short lives than I still have seen in my 40 years?
It should be fun to be a child? Which would you pick (as a child): being forced awake before sunrise; rushed around your house; having to walk in the cold to stand on a corner and wait for your bus...OR wake up when your natural clock tells you to; choose whatever you want to eat and when you want to eat it; and then decide what YOU want to learn for the day...
I have always unschooled my children - no typo there - check out "UNSCHOOLING" and we have had a GLORIOUS, WONDERFUL time of self-discovery and exploration. My children are very young but because they have TIME TO THEMSELVES, they have developed passions that will continue into their adulthood. And, unlike many schooled-kids, they didn't have to wait "until they were old enough" to do ANYTHING.
Of my three children, I have had a small issue with only one of them being non-social. But, that's his personality and school would have smashed it out of him and THAT'S NOT WHAT SCHOOL IS FOR! My other two kids are very outgoing and friendly and will initiate conversation with anyone, anywhere.
I wouldn't change all these years of unschooling for anything and if you ask my kids, they'll agree.
Screw you NAYSAYERS....none of you have a clue what you're talking about.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 3:40:17 AM | Go Angie- come on tell us what you really think.
Hugs from Hawaii. You unschool, that is too cool! You just put the whole anti-homeschool camp into a panic. Shhhh, Hear that, that is the sound of them fainting.
We use a mixture of all the wonderful styles of homeschool/unschool to expand our universe. Computer plays a big part and my son is proficent on both PC and apple. About a year ago I bought one of those programs that teaches 101 languages. I am trying to teach myself Croatian. Well, my son gets on and has fun with japanese,german,french and spanish sections. It has really helped him with his english subjects. Latin is not a dead language in our house. He loves to learn the meanings of the scientific names of animals. He is very articulate when discussing them. It is fun to watch him interact with the U of H Prof.'s . They get on their knees and talk with for a long time. He just glows when he walks away. One time we were at the bookstore looking up Gastropods. When the clerk ask him, with an attitude,"So what do you call someone who studies Gastropods?" My son looked at him with shock and said politely, "Why a Gastropodologist." This grandmother, that was eavesdropping, thru her book down and ran over to shake my sons hand. Not bad for a 7 year old. I am sure you have similar experience with your kids. It is amazing what they can do.
Anyone who forces a kid to eat something has too much time on their hands. From early on my son did not like pizza or spaghettni. We have a deal in our house. Try one bite if you do not like it, do not eat it. The one time he ate spaghettni he got a really acid stomach. With all the salad,veggies and grains he likes I let it go. Now that he is older he loves spaghettni and pizza.
Sounds like you are doing a great job with your kids and society will only benefit from this.
Have a great day.('') | |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 6:27:21 AM | Hey BHAPPY...I love it when my kids SHOCK people in public with their mature and intelligent conversation!
So many adults don't even know what to say to kids beyond "How old are you?/What grade are you in?/What's your fav subject?"...my kids can usually get adults to venture off into interesting REAL conversations. I just sit back and smile.
My KIDS are the ones who get other adults thinking, not me. When I'm out with them, there's no need to convince people that kids should be in the REAL world, not school!
Have you been to any of the Live and Learn or other unschooling conferences? THEY ROCK!!!!!
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Posted: 8/15/2007 5:46:42 PM | I think the only conferences they have in Hawaii are the Christian Homeschoolers. I have not been to that.
When my son interacts with others in public I try to step as far back as I can so he can have a little alone time with someone else. When done ,both parties always walk away from each other smiling. We were at an Astronomy event thrown by UofH when he walked up to one of the top scientist, there to answer astronomy questions. He starts to explain to this man how the throat of a whale functions. The look on my sons face was one of " Oh, this adult is going to critize me for something, too. Why am I doing this?" He looked so small and vulnerable. You know what this man did. He got on one knee, face to face with my son. He said with excitment "I did not know that, tell me more...I have to look that up..."Not just my sons face, but his whole body lite up. I have never seen his eyes so bright, or his smile so big. (I have tears in my eyes right now) They talked for about 20 minutes about whales,sharks and other beasties of the sea. By the time they were done there was a small crowd just listening. When the man stood up he put his hand on my sons shoulder and said , "do not ever stop learning, you are a very smart young man." He was 7 at the time.
Sometimes people ask my son why he is not in school, did he do his homework or what school does he go to. He is very good at explaining that he homeschools and how much he loves it. I really loves it when people try to test him on what they think he is missing because he is not in the public school. His answer are always polite,smart,quick. He always leaves them with a pleased but puzzled look on their face.
All the people that knew us before and after public schools have remarked on how much better he is doing with homeschool. Some have called him genius level intelligence. He is way more social. I believe that it is because of homeschooling that he is as advanced as he is. I think he is just a normal kid that has an opportunity to grow at his own pace, in his own style. All kids are capable of this.
Are you familiar with HSLDA.COM. Lots of good imformation. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 7:53:26 PM | | My sister home schools her two girls and when I have kids I also plan on it. It won't exactly be home school it'll be boat school. I plan to circumnavigate in a sailboat. Even if I was not on a sailboat I would still want to home school, mainly because I don't think the atmosphere in schools is conducive to an excellent education, too much distraction with electronic games and gotta have this kinds of stuff. Sure they need to learn about computers, but they are just a tool. The three R's are the main thing, learn them well and the rest is easy. A good classic education that's what I would be after. There is just too much marketing aimed at toys for children, much better if they weren't exposed to it. Also there is too much risk of being introduced to drugs and other negative situations. They need to learn about them but not from their classmates. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 1:27:03 AM | When you homeschool the sky is the limit. Sailing and homeschool would go excellent together. Think of all things a boat can teach you. We want to buy an RV and travel the states. I would rather take him to landmarks than show him a picture in a book. The 3 R's are very important. My son loves to read. He enjoys spongebob squarepants and shaekspear(arrest her, she cannot spell!) Anything can be a tool to learning. I find video games are great to teach critical thinking and math. But, my son is the kind of kid who will play for about a week then put it away for 6 months. Most games we have are not finished and we bought them 3 years ago. You have to be careful and stay away from gruesome or sexual types of games. Kids are amazing and will do the most creative things. My son when he was about 4 built a suspension bridge from the sink, across the toilet into the tub. I was so impressed I took pictures. My son doesn't even use a calculator. I find that now he uses his brain to figure things out in his head. He is very indpendent and hates it when I hover. I find when I leave him alone he does much better work. I went to home depot and bought a big sheet of dry erase board. They cut it into thirds so I could get in my car. He has an endless supply of dry erase pens. These boards are in various places but are easy to move. That has helped his writing tremendously. I remember it being really cheap.
There is tons of information out there and it wouldn't hurt to start researching now. It is a fascinating subject. AtoZ homeschooling.com is a great site.
My son does not know what the latest fashion trend, toy, or slang is. He hates drugs. Never been around them. He looks at people as possible new friends and does not judge them on what they wear or where they are from. If he doesn't like you he is respectful but distant. He is a real good judge of character.
You are going to love being a parent. It is so much fun. Homeschooling will only add to that. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 10:51:01 AM | I know of several families that Homeschool On The Road....they LOVE it!! They have a Yahoo group that you could search out if you want some advice, BHappy.
I also know another family - they live in Jacksonville, FL right now - that has always homeschooled and they plan to sailboat-school soon, too. Contact me directly if you want their names. They used to live in Tampa, when I did, they have three kids and they are an AWESOME family!
As far as family closeness with homeschooling - it can't be beat. People whose families are separated all day, every day have NO clue what closeness is!
My teenage daughter has yet to get to that rebellious stage that everyone has warned me about - coincidence, I think not. There's nothing for her to rebel against in this home. But, she still is 'breaking away' in her own way - venturing out and learning about things I have no interest in (mostly Japan and European culture)....She's going to be a globetrotting princess someday!
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Posted: 8/17/2007 4:47:58 AM | | Thanks for sites, I'll check those out, I'll also get around to reading this entire forum, there are probably other helpful hints. I feel a little like it's putting the cart before the horse since I haven't found a mate yet. But then I do have quite few kids toys and books on the boat just ready if I have a visitor that has children. Many I bought at thrift stores, too cheap to pass up. One was a fairly large metal toy dump truck that was heading out with the tide, floating on its plastic wheels. It took a while to identify what this yellow item was, I jumped in the kayak and paddled over to retrieve it. I've even found a few in trash piles, it's amazing what some people throw away. I guess I'm ready in that respect. This is just another thing to maybe prepare for. Jon | |
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Posted: 8/17/2007 8:09:56 PM | | You sound qualified to homeschool. She is out there, your mate. And she will be impressed that you put so much thought into your future children. Good Luck and hope she shows up soon. We need more real families in this world. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2007 10:25:18 AM | PLEASE NOTE: the following is not my original thought but is a cut and paste of an email I received
Happily home-schooled
An all too common myth about home-schooled kids is that they don't get a chance to develop adequate social skills because they are isolated in the home. This couldn't be further from the truth, as current research has proven. In fact, home-schooled kids have been found to be more mature and better socialized and to have a higher self-concepts than their conventionally schooled peers. A big reason for this is that home-schooled kids simply have more time to socialize. Homeschoolers finish their lessons in no time in the absence of busywork and distractions common in the conventional school setting, leaving far more time for social activities. Some common social outlets for homeschoolers include:
• Dance and martial arts classes
• Orchestras
• Sports teams
• Events and outings with other homeschooled kids
• More high quality interactions with family members
QUICK TIP :
59% of adults who had been homeschooled for at least seven years said they were "very happy" with life. 27.6% of the general population could say the same. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 12:38:59 PM |
This post is why I think if a parent is going to home school, they should have a teaching degree. This OP's spelling and grammar is terrible. How is a child going to learn properly, if the parent doesn't use proper spelling and grammar? If anything, the parent should of learned this by teaching and studying with the child.
sorry, but i just had to laugh when i saw this. anybody else catch it? | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 2:41:35 PM | My children surpass their peers academically, and they were homeschooled for years.
You might want to look up this award winning author, Christopher Paolini, who was also homeschooled.
Remember the book/movie ERAGON?? | |
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