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Posted: 11/30/2007 1:04:49 PM | | well i call this real milk , they take it process it and take all the good out of it ,we used to get it from the farm when we were kids when i moved here i did find one place that took donations for the milk we used to get 6 gallons a week it was the best sine though the farmer sold and the new guy wouldnt let us have it anymore well that really sucked trust me if anyone know s where to get any i would sure appreciate knowing so just keep me in mind thanks oh yeah and i never got sick from the milk either its the best | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 1:52:15 PM | All farms are required to pasteurize the milk straight from the cow. I grew up on raw milk and the stuff you buy today in the market (as someone else said) is watered down. We can buy local farm milk here in a lot of stores, it's so much better unwatered and tastes much different!
If you live in Rhode Island on nearby S.E. Mass. google "Rhody Fresh milk"
"By purchasing Rhody Fresh Milk, you're getting fresh milk from local farms that do not use articifical growth hormones. You're also supporting Rhode Island's dairy farmers, and helping to preserve local farms, pastures and wide-open spaces for generations to come." | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 2:14:22 PM | | ..OK..here's the deal in Ohio...The Ohio Dept. of Agriculture will not let a farmer sell unpasteurized milk straight from the cow to anyone but a processor...BUT...There are farmers in the State of Ohio that have found a way around this...and so far it's stood the test of a court case...They sell shares in a cow...that way..they can give the milk to the shareholder...and the shareholder pays the farmer to feed, house and milk the cow....Some people love raw milk that much..I say it's up to you..I personally would rather drink pasteurized milk...because I've milked cows...LOL.... | |
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| Raw Milk?
Posted: 11/30/2007 3:20:48 PM | OMG...now I know why I can no longer drink milk...when I was a kid I remember walking with my Mom to get milk from the only woman who had a cow and helping my Mom carry it back home. I've had a hysterectomy and they tried all kinds of hormones on me (even some with testosterone in them-made me mean...lol) and I couldn't take any of them so I've never taken any hormones all my life (almost 61) and now milk makes me sick and I love it and never knew why until I just read your post...thank you Supraman I'm going to find organic or "raw" milk...maybe even try soy.
PS-The best thing about milk in the old days was taking the paper cap off and getting to take the cream off the top and eating it...LOL...while Mom wasn't looking...somehow I think she knew... | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 5:20:44 PM | | I think raw milk can kill you, not worth chancing. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 5:37:58 PM | | I think walking outside can kill ya, not worth going out! Or you can live your life and not let fear rule you! | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 8:22:52 PM | | People have been drinking raw milk for 1000's of years. Pasteurizing makes it safe and the taste is great. BTW, what do you think your mother fed you when you were born?? Raw mothers milk! | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 9:03:56 PM | In Canada I know farmers can sell raw milk they can even post a sign raw milk for sale.
They do have to ensure that the person making the purchase is aware that it has not be pastuerized. I think most farmers would sell the milk if it is posted. They probably don,t because their unsure of the laws and liabilities. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:40:44 AM | This is an important topic for me....I drink milk, and a lot of it...at present I drink Kroger (brand) 2% acidophilus 1/2 gallon jugs in plastic containers and have for decades, EXCEPT when my grocer runs out..then I purchase 1% acidophilius Anderson Erikson brand 1/2 gallon in thicker white plastic containers...and I can tell the difference immediately! (BTW I have the same reaction to Soymilk) I may be extremely sensitive to estrogen enhancing foods, and drinks?
The AE cows/milk must be loaded with hormones because I immediately get a painful swelling and all the symptoms of the hormone estrogen in excess~
My grocer has promised to keep enough of what I drink on hand, but I would LOVE to have a local connecti0n for some un homoginized milk, alas, not born on a farm and I love goatmilk.......................... anyway
Anyone who knows anything about this topic I readily encourage to post here or contact me, as the whole 'milk issue' is a major concern to my health right now and appreciate any/all information!
PS I love natural goat and cowmilk, cream butter yougart and all dairy products from it!
PS I am very allergic to penicillin and therefore have an increased informational value in this thread~ | |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 12:49:27 AM |
In Canada I know farmers can sell raw milk they can even post a sign raw milk for sale.
They do have to ensure that the person making the purchase is aware that it has not be pastuerized. I think most farmers would sell the milk if it is posted. They probably don,t because their unsure of the laws and liabilities.
According to Wiki-Pedia (Possibly not the most reliable info source), Raw milk and Cheese is only legal IF it has been aged for 60 days. Personally, I am of the impression if you left any milk to stand for 60 days, It would probably be considered a cheese. Not sure anyone in their right mind would drink it (Or eat it as the case may be).
Raw Dairy is also illegal in all states of Australia, With the exception of a particular Cheese which has approval.
I knew it was illegal to Import dairy products from other countries to Australia, Partly because our dairy industry Doesn't suffer from some common diseases such as Mad Cow.
I reckon a lot of people have been drinking it pasteurized for so long, It probably would make us sick, We never got used to all the extra bacteria as kids. This is why someone in India can drink the water without a problem, But if you have just a mouthful of it, You will be seriously sorry. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 3:49:32 PM | I drank store bought milk all my life until I reached age 40. Then I have been drinking raw milk ever since. It hasn't made me sick. It tastes better, and I believe there is more nutrients in raw milk then that that has been pasteurized and homogenized.  | |
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Posted: 12/5/2007 3:01:13 PM | | UGH I hate raw milk (well, I am not a huge milk person, anyway--it basically exists to lighten my coffee and accompany my my brownies). It smells funny, and the smell changes depending on the food the cow eats (winter food vs. summer grazing--HUGE diff!). | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 7:12:20 AM | | Google: Innerfocus...I think.com...for raw mild or Jigsaw Health...they can also tell you | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 5:50:45 PM | | organic has nothing to do with pasturizing,w | |
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Posted: 12/26/2007 8:28:11 PM | | I miss the full flavour of raw milk. I wish I could find a supply around here. | |
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Posted: 12/27/2007 10:26:24 AM | Raw milk is way safer for you that the store bought stuff. Once milk is pasteurized the naturl enzymes that are present in it are destroyed and homogenizing it bonds the fats to the proteins and again it is not in a form that the body can fully deal with.
Comments about unasteurized milk being unsafe because of disease might have some weight but in the age when pastuerization was invented they didn't have toilet paper and the germ theory of disease hadn't been identified so and the cow is being hand milked by some one who likely has poor hygene, you have no sterilization of containers etc.
Here is part of an interview with the author of Milk, the Deadly Poison...
Mike Adams: Can you give a brief summary of -- you've mentioned a few here, diabetes and acne, heart disease is mentioned in your book quite prominently -- but what other chronic diseases are, say, aggravated or even caused by chronic milk consumption?
Robert Cohen: Well, you know, that's an interesting question. Let's look at the Big Five -- in America, the number one killer is heart disease, and then we've got osteoporosis and cancer, and diabetes and asthma. We look at nations where they drink milk, we find these diseases are common. We look at nations where cheese consumption has tripled in the last 30 years, like England and France and Canada and the United States, we find also a tripling of asthma and breast cancers. Guess what country has the highest rate of breast cancer? Number one in breast cancer rate, Denmark, followed by Norway, followed by Holland, followed by Sweden -- are you detecting a trend?
Mike: Milk consumption.
Robert Cohen: Let's play some more trivia with you, Mike. We know breast cancer -- what country has the highest rate of heart disease?
Mike Adams: Well, I'm still thinking the United States.
Robert Cohen: Nope! Denmark, Norway, Holland and Sweden -- you're going to get it sooner or later! Bone disease, heart disease, breast cancer -- see where are we going with this? --highest rates of dairy consumption. We're seeing absolute correlations between these diseases and dairy consumption, and I can give you the reason. We have much more than just national epidemiological studies -- we have mechanisms by which these diseases occur, in breast cancer and every cancer, thousands of things cause cancer. Every time we pick up a newspaper there's a new thing identified as causing cancer.
But thousands of things cause it -- once you get it in your body, one thing makes it grow, and the one thing that makes it grow is the most powerful growth hormone you make in your body called insulin growth factor. And remarkably, the greatest miracle of science, of nature, is that this hormone in a cow's body and in a human body is identical. As a matter of fact, out of 4700 different species of mammal and hundreds of millions of different proteins in nature, there's only one hormone in the entire animal kingdom that is identical between two species -- human and cow IGF-1, which has been called the key factor in the growth and proliferation of breast cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, every human cancer. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 1:52:59 PM | Hi I just wanted to let everyone know that I am for raw milk IF you own the cow or goat.
The reason I qualify this is if you own the animal you know what it is fed, if it's pen is cleaned out, if the person milking the animal has washed their hands or has a cold, if the milk is milked into a sterilized stainless steel pail, how long it sat before it made it to the kitchen to be strained and refridgerated....I know this because I had dairy goats.
One goat I bought from the filthiest farm you could ever imagine. I'd have taken every goat they had if I would've had room for them. I always pasturised that milk faithfully. I used two quart jars to store milk int the fridge and marked the tops so even the kids knew what was safe to drink. My second dairy goat I never pasturised the milk. Ivy came from a reptable source. She came with a file that contained info on her vaccines and how many times she gave birth and if she kidded easily.
I can honestly say I will have dairy goats again someday.
Oh and FYI Goat milk makes the BEST bread. Just heavenly.
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Posted: 3/25/2009 6:15:58 PM | I know this thread was begun in 2006 but it's an important issue with me,and has been in the news a lot locally.
Am a big believer in local foods, including raw milk sales. For centuries society did well on raw milk. Its the corporate dairies that sadly control a lot of the milk laws. Unless citizens rise up and demand the right to buy raw milk. For a period we couldn't get raw milk and what milk I got was from the store and it was watery and gave me digestion issues.
But now raw organic milk is available and my health is awesome. I make my own cottage cheese, yogurt, creme fresh, and sour cream. For me healthy unprocessed food is always best! | |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 6:33:22 PM | | I live out in the country and I have access to the "raw milk". There is a lady that lives out here and she makes all the goodies that you spoke about ZenBeth. All is takes is a 5 minute drive and I can get the stuff at a very reasonable prices. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 7:57:08 PM | | Thank you zenbeth,you guys make things seem so much simpler then.I'm glad there are some folks who appreciate what it was like to have to really struggle. I don't think there's anything wrong with raw milk especially if you own the cow and you know what its eating. I think its probably better for you than all this commercialized stuff they want you to eat nowadays. If things keep getting crazy, we're gonna have to go back to simpler living and simpler times. Might be better in the long run. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 7:57:21 PM |
In Canada I know farmers can sell raw milk they can even post a sign raw milk for sale.
They do have to ensure that the person making the purchase is aware that it has not be pastuerized. I think most farmers would sell the milk if it is posted. They probably don,t because their unsure of the laws and liabilities.
zena...where are you getting this info?...the health unit would be on the farmers doorstep within minutes of them posting a raw milk for sale sign...i have scoured high and low for raw milk here...the only way you will get it is if you are chummy with a dairy farmer and if the transaction is done under the table...
raw milk is the best for cheese making...the heat of pastuerizing breaks down the milk proteins that help for a strong curd...they have to be built back up before the milk kwill curd enough to make cheese...rather than go thru the hassle of trying to find raw milk i just add calcium chloride to the milk when i am making cheese...
i can see why health and welfare canada is concerned...if by chance there was an outbreak from contaminated milk...their azzes would be on the line...
but ultimately the choice should be the consumers...
i like the idea of buying "shares" in a cow...that way the onus is on the shareholder | |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 8:30:19 PM | | The sale of raw milk in Ontario is illegal. Forget about buying shares in a cow until the court case has been settled on whether that's a legal way to get around the ban. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 8:33:19 PM | So let me get this straight.
If I buy a gallon of raw milk and consume it raw, there is a (good) chance I could become deathly ill ?
Also what happened in the days before Louis Pastuer ?
Were those diseases just not around back then ?
Can you avoid milk that is high risk ? | |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 9:52:47 PM |
If I buy a gallon of raw milk and consume it raw, there is a (good) chance I could become deathly ill ?
Also what happened in the days before Louis Pastuer ?
Were those diseases just not around back then ?
Can you avoid milk that is high risk ?
you could get very sick yes...not neccessarily so...
in the days before louis pastuer... refrigeration was somewhat lacking and yes ppl were getting sick from milk...at 170 degrees...i think its 170...the bad bacteria in milk were destroyed...
food borne illnesses and the bacteria that cause them have been around ever since there has been food...
you can avoid risk altogether if you were to stop using milk but thats kinda pointless...
i do wish it were possible to get raw milk here...it would make cheese making for the average home cook easier to make and enjoy home made cheese...but i cant get it so i hafta add calcium chloride and lipase...(an enzyme found in a calfs stomach)...home made mozza is nothing like the stuff made commercially...
in a way i can see the health units cause for alarm...lets say a few thousand gallons of bad milk got out and ppl became ill or died...there would be hell to pay and health and welfare canada would be up the creek without a paddle...
case in point...look what happened with maple leaf meat products a while back...130 or so deaths from e.coli poisoning...what happened?...maple leaf meats was shut down canada wide pending an investigation...
accidents do happen...hence the need for rules and regs regarding food for retail sale in order to minimize the chance of these accidents...
i think closer inspection at the source is called for | |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 10:25:28 PM | Thanks for the info.
I know dogs and cats and thats about it.
Geese and chickens know I'm not at home not to mention cows and pigs.
The homemade mozza sounds good.
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