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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:21:58 AM | | As I said, trewq, you have to pick your battles. What works with one situation may not work with another. And let's be coldly honest about one thing: in some cases the cost of going to war far outweighs the cost of using other methods. North Korea is a case in point. Not only do they have actual nukes and chemical weapons, they have a huge, well-trained military with the will to fight--totally unlike Iraq. If we attacked there it would be a major conflict. To date it has not been worth the grief. Bush probably decided Iraq was the better bargain. Unfortunately he learned that while military victory is one thing, successfully pacifying a conquered land is far more difficult. Some would call it US bullying of a small country, but in reality it's a choice made on the basis of cost-benefit analysis. In this case that analysis turned out to be incorrect. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:26:30 AM |
Bush probably decided Iraq was the better bargain
Ah, because of the oil profits maybe?
North Korea is a case in point. Not only do they have actual nukes and chemical weapons, they have a huge, well-trained military with the will to fight--totally unlike Iraq.
So you only pick on the little guy, like the school yard bully, eh? | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:38:43 AM | Oh, yeah, if you want to see the oild "profits" just go to the gas pump and pay $2.34 a gallon. You know, if we really went to war to get the oil, I want to see my cut.
Bullying--if a little guy threatens you, and you beat the snot out of him, does that make you a bully? If a little guy is beating his kids, and you toss him through the window, does that make you a bully? Nooooooo..... and if the guy is 6'8 and weighs 300 pounds and has a loaded gun pointed at you and you decide to back off for a moment to figure out the best way to deal with the situation, does that make you a coward? No, it makes you smart. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:40:38 AM | yes,north korea is a force to be reckoned with,but as I said in other thread,something
is going to have to be done about there nuclear weapons programs and their almost
certain sell-out to terrorist.That cost/benefit ratio may start leaning more to benefit. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:59:18 AM |
if we really went to war to get the oil, I want to see my cut.
Well the Big Boys just put your cut in their pocket.
And if you're not ready for the 6'8 fellow, what about all those other smaller Bullies? Oh yea they don't have anything you want, yet. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 12:36:04 PM | Most conspiracy theories require many people at all levels to be "in" on it and to keep it secret from the rest of us over many days/months/years.
I find that highly implausible.
Just think of how impossible it is to coordinate a dozen people at your next staff meeting. Then tell me that someone can coordinate hundreds of people in dozens of offices around the state, country, or world. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 12:45:52 PM | I say yes it may require many people to carry it off. But most of them do not have to know WHY, they only need to be told what they must do.
You must keep the Real Consiracy close to your chest. But you tell your Sheep what ever it takes to get them motivated.
"those SOBs want to kill you!" | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 1:16:51 PM | missmusic, i know where you are coming from. most of the time, dealing with group dynamics is an almost insurmountable challenge.
however, if you take what trewq wrote and consider the huge amount of discipline required in the deployment of large masses of troops, such a thing can be done if a group of people are ordered to do so...and face (or are made to feel) serious consequences of not doing so. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2005 1:25:06 PM |
Most conspiracy theories require many people at all levels to be "in" on it and to keep it secret from the rest of us over many days/months/years.
I find that highly implausible.
Just think of how impossible it is to coordinate a dozen people at your next staff meeting. Then tell me that someone can coordinate hundreds of people in dozens of offices around the state, country, or world.
Yes it would almost be like certain invasions in world war II or even high level security stuff that has been "top secret" for years .
There are totally plain everyday things the people really have no clue about that have been secret for years with hundreds of people involved say like battle plans in a war that simply can't be leaked due to national security issues .But to say they couldn't do it witha conspiracy theory is correct because when it is leaked it becomes a conspiracy theory and there fore dosn't exist. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2005 7:04:54 AM | I am a closet alien and have invaded earth for the simple reason of repopulating this species with a real dumber stupider law abiding thickwit kinda humanoid. I also have ufos which i fly constantly in my driveway, and thats the fact jack:) | |
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Posted: 4/11/2005 10:47:02 AM | Has anyone been watching "the Corporation" on TVO?
A corporation is designated as a legal person under law. What kind of person would it be? Answer: A psychopath. While this may strike some as obvious, others will find The Corporation a real eye-opener as it delves into the mindset and character of corporate America. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2005 1:12:06 PM |
Most conspiracy theories require many people at all levels to be "in" on it and to keep it secret from the rest of us over many days/months/years.
I find that highly implausible.
Well, how about the conspiracies that worked so well for so long to keep blacks out of white neighborhoods, or minorities and WOMEN out of certain types of jobs then?
...or anti-semitism in the US?
Being in collusion does not require people to communicate. If people have the same agenda and work together to achieve the same end, it doesn't require that anyone talk about it at all. This is one reason the Mafia got away with so much for so long.
The idea that people need to be snitched out in order to prove conspiracy is just plain stupid. It's something conspirators hide behind... | |
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Posted: 4/11/2005 11:58:24 PM |
Well, how about the conspiracies that worked so well for so long to keep blacks out of white neighborhoods, or minorities and WOMEN out of certain types of jobs then?
...or anti-semitism in the US? Aren't these simply examples of social norms that are blindly accepted and unquestioned? I don't believe these are conspiracies. It is a totally different kettle of fish from conspiracy stories that the US government faked the moon landings. It's a totally different kettle of fish from the FACT that the US government decided to use blacks as guinea pigs in their study of syphillis. I would call THOSE actions conspiracies.
BTW: Collusion is NOT a conspiracy. (Althouth I do agree with your statement that collusion does not require explicit communication. However, I would also point out there is still some form of communication. For example, various gas stations posting their gas prices and having a non-verbal agreement that they will match each other's prices) | |
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Posted: 4/12/2005 12:05:21 AM |
So you only pick on the little guy, like the school yard bully, eh?
Awww. :'(
Poor Saddam, he's just a wittle, itty-bitty guy, that doesn't deserved to be picked on. In trewq's world, all the thieves and muggers should be left alone, as long as their is one murderer loose. Those big, bad bullies, wanting to pick on trewq's hero like that! For shame! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2005 7:22:02 AM | Actually bulldog I thought I was teasing you (the U.S.) for Not taking on the Bigger Bullies, while holding up your abuse of the little guy as proof of your sincerity.
I for one think if we took out the Biggest Bullies all the little ones would fall too.
And the real Bully is the Immoral Corporations lead by a handful of Rich A$$holes and supported by Political Puppets and their loyal Sheep.
Too bad you can't get TVO in Michigan. Maybe you could order the disc, "the Corporation" is a real eye opener. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2005 7:38:56 AM |
Definition of conspiracy: a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act
Does it say it has to be a verbal or written agreement, Miss Music?
If a group of people are already "in agreement" about something, then that "secret agreement" can exist regardless of the lack of documentation and you can surmise or deduce that agreement exists through the acts of the individuals or groups involved.
Your refutation of the definition of conspiracy on the argument they are "social norms" is irrelevant IF they are nonetheless an agreement to carry out an illegal act.
...and by the way, IF collusion is an unlawful act by this definition, how can it not be a conspiracy?
There have been cases before the US Supreme Court where it was decided collusion was a conspiracy, in absentia of any proof of communication between "colluders", and "conspirators" in anti-trust decisions and in the case of free agency in baseball. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2005 3:55:49 PM | the most likely conspiracy theory is that the major oil companies in the United States are in collusion to control gasoline refining capacity in a very succesful effort to hold gas prices artificially high.
Also I think James Dean faked his death and became sausage king Jimmy Dean. LOL | |
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Posted: 4/12/2005 3:57:01 PM | the most likely conspiracy theory is that the major oil companies in the United States are in collusion to control gasoline refining capacity in a very succesful effort to hold gas prices artificially high.
Also I think James Dean faked his death and became sausage king Jimmy Dean. LOL | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 10:00:59 AM | The subject of 9/11 conspiracies came up in another thread: http://forums.plentyoffish.com/134886datingPostpage3.aspx
Some people believe that the 9/11 attack was an inside job, and point to "documentaries" like Loose Change to prove it. The problem, as I see it, is that many of the claims in Loose Change have been debunked, and I have read that the makers of the film have edited the film several times in order to correct mistakes as they are pointed out.
My question is, why are some people so quick to believe claims of "X-Files"-like conspiracies by people who admit to factual errors in their claims? To me, it doesn't seem logical.
It reminds me of the people who watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" and think that the film is factually correct, when even the simplest internet search will show all kinds of results which highlight, point by point, the factual errors in that "documentary" as well.
Google is your friend. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 10:18:30 AM | The Illuminati. They control everything, watch everything, and put pyramids all over the place - think of the ones in front of the Louvre and on the dollar bill. You think France and the USA would allow themselves to have prominant public pyramids in common if it weren't for an all-powerful secret organization with officials ensconced in powerful offices internationally?
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Posted: 4/9/2007 10:45:13 AM | ok iluminaty dont put pyramid the egyptian did :) theyre a lot of conspyracie around them so as the pryory of scion( prieure de scion) the knigh templar and all the rose-croix. but those conspyracie can't never be prove right or wrong theyre too ancient.
on another hand:
jfk inside job for sure,
9/11 inside job,
area 51 for sure it exist
santa claus, hes not real,
wmd aint real, oil was a big reason why theyre in iraq.
bin laden cia agent. for sure
money grow on tree, not real!!
price of gas over 3$ gallon thats ridiculous!! | |
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