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 dumberthanowlshit

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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:17:32 AM
The JFK conspiracy is one of the few that is believable without someone throwing in things that just aren't true, and not containing aliens that happened to crash near secret military bases.

I have to see the facts to believe something was wrong..like

Oswald was in New Orleans, so was Jack ruby.
They always downplay Ruby as someone who was just a pissed off JFK lover. Its also quite a drive from New Orleans to Dallas, alot of time to cool off and think about what your doing. He went there to kill Oswald, not in some sort of blind rage, but a planned execution.

2 Secret service agents trailing the car tried to testify to the Warren commision that they heard more than one shooter, (both WW2 vets that had been shot at numerous times) and both were told..thanks for coming...we don't want to hear it,,,Bye Bye now.

And the biggest thing I have a problem with is..as a life long hunter, I have never shot anything in the head from the back, and had the head snap backward toward me, or have blood spray the opposite direction. I have seen the man's head snap violently backwards with the kill shot, and as it is replayed..the experts just say..oh...ya..that happens when you take a bullet from behind.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:48:38 AM
Even Connelly maintained until his dying day that he heard the shot that hit Kennedy ( the first of two official hits on him, as per the Warren Commission) . He also was well versed enough with firearms to know that you DON'T hear the shot that hits you, because the bullets traveling faster than the sound wave is.


In addition, Barr McClellan, father of former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and a partner in the Austin law firm that represented Johnson, wrote in his 2003 book that LBJ was a key player in the organization of the assassination and its cover-up. McClellan's revelations were the subject of a subsequent History Channel documentary called The Guilty Men.

Below you can watch the History Channel documentary that was banned for fingering LBJ as the principle conspirator in the plot to kill Kennedy as well as numerous other political assassinations. The History Channel caved and were forced to apologize after Johnson's widow, Lady Bird Johnson, Warren Commission member and former President Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter immediately complained and threatened legal action.

The testimony of Brown, McClellan, and others remains and has not changed over the course of time. Hunt's revelations only add weight to the overwhelming case for a coup d'etat.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/150107ciaman.htm


Hunt, McClellan, and Johnson's mistress all implicate him in the crime. He had the means, methods, and motives to accomplish it.

Personally, I agree with the fact that anyone watching the Zapruder film is going to have some serious problems with the Warren Commission. Seeing that incredible force driving Kennedy backwards, in a direction consistent with a Grassy Knoll shooter, makes for some interesting thinking.

When I first saw it on TV, in 1973, it made me realize that we were all lied to.

When I first studied the various things brought out by the early researchers, things became pretty clear.

Seeing an undamaged "magic bullet" , and a list of wounds in caused on two people , was more evidence things were being covered up.

There's a hole in JFK's jacket, on his right shoulder, perhaps a few inches down. There's also a matching hole in his back ( called by some a "blood spot") , in the same spot. It's my opinion that the "magic bullet" most probably is the one that caused this wound.


* The holes in JFK's shirt and coat place the wound five to six inches below the collar line. The claim that his coat and shirt were hunched up on his back when the bullet struck in such a way as to make the proposed higher back wound line up with the clothing holes is not only far-fetched, but, in my opinion, is refuted by the photographic evidence, as even lone-gunman theorist Jim Moore concedes. This bunched-clothing theory will be dealt with at greater length further on in this article.

* Dr. Boswell's autopsy face sheet diagram shows the wound five to six inches below the neck. That face sheet, by the way, was marked "verified."

* The President's death certificate places the wound at the third thoracic vertebra, which corresponds to the holes in the coat and shirt. This document was also marked "verified."

* Dr. John Ebersole, who got a look at the back wound during the autopsy, said the wound was near the fourth thoracic vertebra (63:721). This is even slightly lower than where the death certificate places the wound.

* Secret Service agent Clint Hill, who was called to the morgue for the specific purpose of viewing Kennedy's wounds, said the entrance point was "about six inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column" (18:77-78). Hill's placement of the wound corresponds closely to the location of the holes in the President's shirt and coat.

* The FBI's 9 December 1963 report on the autopsy, which was based on the report of two FBI agents who attended the autopsy (James Sibert and Francis O'Neill), located the wound BELOW the shoulder (i.e., below the top of the shoulder blade) (18:83, 149-168).

* Three Navy medical technicians who assisted with the autopsy, James Jenkins, Paul O'Connor, and Edward Reed, have stated that the wound was well below the neck. Jenkins and O'Connor have also reported that it was probed repeatedly and that the autopsy doctors determined that it had no point of exit (10:260, 262, 302-303; 63:720).

* Floyd Riebe, one of the photographers who took pictures at the autopsy, recalls that the back wound was probed and that it was well below the neck (10:162-163, 302).

* Former Bethesda lab assistant Jan Gail Rudnicki, who was present for much of the autopsy, says the wound was "several inches down on the back" (10:206).

* Former Parkland nurse Diana Bowron, who washed the President's body before it was placed in the casket, has indicated that the back wound was two to three inches BELOW the hole shown in the alleged autopsy photo of JFK's back, and this hole, by the HSCA's own admission, is about two inches lower than where the WC placed the wound. In other words, Nurse Bowron located the wound five to six inches below the neck, and at the same time challenged the authenticity of the alleged autopsy picture of the President's back. We will return to her account in a moment. (Some WC defenders argue that Bowron told the WC she didn't see any wound other than the large head wound. But if one reads her testimony carefully, it is clear she was speaking of the condition of Kennedy's body when she first saw it in the limousine. What she said in effect was that she didn't notice any wounds other than the head wound when she first saw his body lying in the limousine. See 6 H 136.)

* In the transcript of the 27 January 1964 executive session of the Warren Commission, we read that chief counsel J. Lee Rankin said the bullet entered Kennedy's back BELOW the shoulder blade (63:632). Rankin even referred to a picture which he said showed that "the bullet entered below the shoulder blade" (68:78-79).

* Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who got a very good look at the President's body, said the wound was "in the shoulder."

* Three recently released HSCA wound diagrams place the wound well below the neck, and in fact in almost the exact same spot shown on the autopsy face sheet. The diagrams were drawn for Select Committee investigators by Kellerman, Sibert, and O'Neill, each of whom got a very good, prolonged look at the body. This shows that when Kellerman said the wound was "in the shoulder," he meant it was visibly below the top of the right shoulder blade. Each agent placed the wound well below the neck, and visibly below the throat wound.

http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id177.htm


If that wound is indeed there.....the Warren Commission is lying.

It's the one card that collapses the house of cards if it's pulled.

There is only one suspect that had the ability to control the investigation, directly.

There are a few groups of suspects that benefited from JFK's death, and it would seem that these people worked in association with Johnson with a common purpose.

In fact, one of the best "cover-ups" possible is having investigators that (should they somehow discover "the truth") realizing in horror that the new President was in fact the main suspect - almost impossible to bring to light, in that much simpler time of 1963.

Such a fact, at that time, would have created HUGE political and social problems for America.

I think these latest puzzle pieces about Johnson falling into place finally unlock the mystery of JFK's murder, and go along way to explain why we were lied to on multiple levels.
 barnesbrook

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Posted: 8/18/2007 11:09:38 AM

Possible Theories:
-World Health Organization intentionally infecting thousands of Africans/AIDS a manmade virus. It's claimed that the virus was first released in 1978 in Africa, under the pretext that the injections given to people were nothing more than smallpox vaccines. Through 1979 to 1982 it was believed that it was released on the American populace, under the pretext of it being a Hepatitits vaccine. Purported that in San Fransisco, adds wered displayed calling in sexually active homosexual male volunteers for trial Hepatitis vaccinations. Eventually the same expirement was tried in other cities. The Bilderberg policy commitee decided for it's use on the population


Wasn't Dr Bernard, who in the early sixties was experimenting with Heart, lungs, kidney transplants in Africa? Weren’t they being rejected after a few hours?

Didn't he experiment on the local natives to see if you could produce a drug to break down the immune system so no rejection would take place? In the process someone has created Aids. Now that's a more plausible reason. Now we have the motive too, Money!
 Jemue

Joined: 1/26/2005
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Posted: 8/18/2007 11:13:03 AM
WTC 7 being demoed, the guy even said they "pulled" it.
 RockGnome

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Posted: 8/18/2007 11:19:20 AM
New Orleans vs. Dallas Texas.

Don't forget that Jakob Ruebenstein (Jack Ruby)
also owned the Carousel Club (titty bar) in Dallas at the time
of the JFK assassination.
 dumberthanowlshit

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Posted: 8/18/2007 11:23:01 AM
I can buy the "magic" bullet as explained. JFK reacted the same time Conally was hit, could be very possible. But when JFK was hit with that bullet, he didn't snap violently backwards, nor did he when he was hit in the throat.

Oswald was the perfect patsy, a nutjob that was anxious to do something stupid. JFK tried to kill Castro on several occasions (not that thats a bad thing) and the mob hated him and his brother. And arms contractors stood to lose billions if he pulled out of Vietnam.

The KGB has said they weren't dumb enough to enlist Oswald to do something like that...how stupid??

A retired Mob head has said he never ever heard anything bout anyone hitting JFK, and surely one of them would roll over with that info over the years to save themselves...Really??? Hmmmm..Where is Jimmy Hoffa and who killed him??

And the only evidence I have seen about bullet entry, is a skull they claim is JFKs with a hole in it. Who is to say thats his??

It is entirely possible Oswald acted alone, but just hate for someone to tell me what i see is wrong.
 Jemue

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Posted: 8/18/2007 11:34:31 AM
Oh and WMD's, though that was very obvious bull from the beginning.


Along with most of the other 'hysterical' thinking that seems to be the hallmark of what has come to be known as Liberal in this country.


Testament to how well the media has you trained, you don't even know what the word liberal means any more.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/18/2007 12:54:55 PM
With LBJ, there is this almost perfect combination of factors all coming into play at exactly the same moment in history.

- LBJ is only months away from possibly losing his job as VP. He's also under investigation in connection with some serious financial crimes. He also has a large enough ego to realize that being VP under Kennedy is going to condemn him in the eyes of history as nothing more than a game show answer.

- There's no love lost between the flashy Kennedy's , and Johnson's "good old boy" mentality. He's worked his way up from essentially poverty, been the most powerful man in Congress, and now sees everything on the verge of going up in smoke.

- LBJ's also a good enough politician to see that getting rid of Kennedy , one year before the election, gives him enough time to manage a great record that will (in all probability) result in him being re-elected on his own. All he has to do is to capitalize on the "grieving nation" aspect, and promise to carry on the beloved JFK's programs (and wrap himself in his coat). Essentially, with his "Great Society" approach , he does exactly that.


Johnson pledged support for President Kennedy's legislative agenda, which included civil rights and education legislation.

http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/biographys.hom/lbj_bio.asp


That's to be expected, and it essentially works perfectly, resulting in his election.

- Johnson also realized he probably wasn't going to live long , as most of the males in his family shared a history of heart problems.



1955

On July 2, while visiting George Brown's estate in Middleburg, Virginia, Johnson suffered a severe heart attack and entered Bethesda Naval Hospital. On August 7, he was released from Bethesda; on August 27, he returned to the LBJ Ranch to recuperate. Johnson did not return to Washington and Capitol Hill until December.

http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/biographys.hom/lbj_bio.asp



He had had his own and his family's medical history (his father died at 60 after a heart attack) fed into a computer, which predicted that he would not live beyond age 64. Johnson told a friend: "I'm going to enjoy the time I've got left. When I go, I want to go quick. I don't want to linger on the way Eisenhower did."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,906850-2,00.html


He was fifty five when he took office, and realized time was running out.

- LBJ also knew Texas like the back of his hand, knew important people there, and understood them. He also knew how to control them.

- LBJ was the one that pushed the move for a Dallas trip, and (initially) fought for an investigation in Texas. Under the law, the President's body SHOULD have stayed in Texas for autopsy.

The Secret Service screwed that one up, by essentially stealing the body to bring it home. Quite understandable, emotionally, to do. One wonders what LBJ must have thought when he heard that one....

- January 1963, Kennedy announced a planned reduction in oil depletion allowances - striking directly at the Texas oil producers wallets.

- On June 10th, 1963 Kennedy had given a speech at American University on " the most important topic on Earth - Peace. "

On July 2nd, Krushchev and Kennedy started a process that would result in the Nuclear Test Ban treaty in August. They had also announced a wheat deal.

- On October 2nd, 1963 , Defense Secretary McNamara and General Maxwell Taylor announced that major American involvement in Vietnam would end in 1965.

- In November of '63, Kennedy was already speaking of diplomatic negotiations with Castro, infuriating the Cuban nexus, which extended into both the intelligence and organized crime communities.

( The New York Times reported that the total financial losses for the Mob losing Cuba were estimated to be in the order of 350 to 700 million dollars. )

- On November 18th, 1963 , McNamara had spoken to the press about " a major cut in defense spending. McNamara stated that this would NOT be temporary, but " a fundamental strategic shift".

- Kennedy had also been quoted as saying that he wanted to splinter the CIA "into a thousand pieces, and scatter it to the winds" , due to the problems with the Bay Of Pigs and other CIA programs.

- JFK had slept with a Mob bosses girlfriend, and both he and RFK had initiated an all out war on organized crime (who had helped them get elected.


So what we see here is Kennedy being a pebble in a lot of people's shoes. Those people all had direct experience in how to kill someone, and how to get away with it. These people had killed others for far less reasons than the ones mentioned here.

Eisenhower had warned the nation only two years before about the great danger and influence of the military - industrial complex.

Kennedy, and his peace initiative , posed a great problem to a lot of people who were making a lot of money, and had a lot of power.


This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html


Again ......" We should take nothing for granted. " , as Eisenhower said.

If this Johnson theory is right, then it provides the perfect solution for all parties.

The shooters , a small number of men, do not have to know about the plot's real intent. Each sees their own motives (good ones , to them) in accomplishing the act. That sets them apart from the real ringleader.

Johnson only has to do a relatively small number of things, without any real direct ties, to start the ball rolling. Afterwards, he still has two things protecting him.

One, it can be blamed on either the Mob or CIA rogue agents. If it's the Mob, then it's business as usual , and people can be arrested. There's a good chance they will not be alive anyway, once that trail is opened.

If it's the CIA, then no one's going to want to touch that one. In 1963, that type of revelation wasn't going anywhere. Everything would have been done to protect it from discovery, since it would harm the nation's best interest.

You can almost imagine Johnson picking up the phone to Earl Warren and saying "Earl, this goes right to the heart of the CIA, and some key people....you best drop this side of the investigation right now. "

And lastly , should it come back on LBJ, again that revelation would have caused some serious problems for America on many levels.

If you sit down and think about it, it's almost perfect in it's planning.
 dumberthanowlshit

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I don't buy the LBJ thing. To many people to be involved from a directive from the VP. And if he was that obcessed with being president, he would not have declined nomination for re election.

But I am still open to the Mob having something to do about it. Jack Ruby was a mob wannabe. And not to many mob hit men are going to go blab about anything after they shot the most popular President.

As for all the WTC garbage?? Save it...go hit on Rosey. Stick that in the same file as Alien abductions with anal probes.
 gentlepatrick

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Posted: 8/18/2007 2:40:39 PM
If you've ever watched the movie the coporation, there is an eyewitness account of the head of IBM dismissing concerns over nazi germanys use of their computers to manage concentration camps
'
omg will you please learn a little history! there were no computers in WWII. The University of Pennsylvania was commissioned by the army to build the first one to do ballistic calculations for artillery and didnt finish it until 1944 and it was too slow do to much. (it became the univac). When computers did start, IBM chairman watson opposed getting his business into them and only when his son tood over in the 1950s did IBM enter the game. wrong on both counts
 gentlepatrick

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Posted: 8/18/2007 2:46:37 PM
the list for the kennedy assisination is almost endless. one of my favorites that is rarely discussed - ever look closely at a pic of Dealy Plaza? The Texas school book depository faces the street where the motorcade approached and turned left - it doesnt face the street where the shot were fired; thats almost a 90 degree angle going away. now you are the shooter and you have 2 choices:
1. the car coming directly at you ..getting closer and slowing down to make a turn, the target directly in front of you, or
2. wait for the car to turn left (target now moving away on your right) car going away, accelerating as it goes down hill PLUS there is a tree to obscure your view.

it doesnt add up
 dumberthanowlshit

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Posted: 8/18/2007 2:56:27 PM
A lot of things don't add up, and to dismiss it as impossible ..is dumb. Even for a realist like me.

Patrick....Anything that starts with.."if you watch the movie" is about as credible as saying Close Encounters of the 3rd kind is solid proof of Aliens.

If you watch the movie...JFK...they have embellished on about everything to telling downright lies. But did raise a few decent points.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/18/2007 3:14:19 PM
I don't buy the LBJ thing. To many people to be involved from a directive from the VP. And if he was that obcessed with being president, he would not have declined nomination for re election.


He declined re-election because he knew he could not win. In a very Shakespearean turn of events, if you believe in karma, he was blindsided by the war in Vietnam. That one little detail , unnoticed in the rush ( and who woulda thunk the Vietnamese could actually WIN in 1963 ? ) , grew into a cancer on his Presidency.

After the growing quagmire enveloped the nation, and when he heard people like Walter Cronkite going against him, he realized continuing on would mean he would become known as both the President that lost the war, and the President that was NOT re-elected because of it.

Time for a quiet exit off stage right , for the sake of the historical record and his legacy.

As for a great number of people, I don't think that's what was needed.

All that WAS needed was to direct the President into Dallas, and let that fact be known to a few people he could trust.


LBJ bought "presidential china" (p.256) in the fall of 1963!

Texas Connection: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (Hardcover)
by Craig I. Zirbel


Interesting, given the chances of him ever becoming President, or even getting his party's nomination with at least two Kennedy's in the way.

Barr McLennen, another who knew him and worked with him, had his suspicions too.


Time and again, the successive cash schemes enriched both Estes and Johnson with large sums transferred to the then Senate Majority Leader's political re-election accounts. Those same sums were later transferred to the Brazos-Tenth Corporation administered by my law partner, Don Thomas for 'investment -- 20/20/40.î

Johnson was thoroughly aware of the fact that Estes was the target of an investigation. In those days, word of criminal reviews were routinely reported to top government officials known to be involved with the suspect. Just to keep politics out of the investigation, nothing had been done by USDA during the 1960 campaign; however, a top USDA inspector, Henry Marshall, had been assigned to see what was going on and his efforts were approaching critical mass. Johnson knew it was only a matter of time.

http://januarymagazine.com/features/bloodmoneypowerexc.html



His mistress , Madeleine Duncan Brown, gives additional evidence.



The night before the Kennedy assassination, Lyndon Baines Johnson met with Dallas tycoons, FBI moguls and organized crime kingpins - emerging from the conference to tell his mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that "those SOB's" would never embarrass him again. It's a jaw-dropping deposition and it's the biggest JFK smoking gun there is - despite the fact that it has received little media attention.

Before her death on June 22 2002, prolific author and lecturer Robert Gaylon Ross had the opportunity to conduct an 80 minute sit-down interview with Madeleine Duncan Brown and from that lengthy discussion the truth about exactly who was behind the assassination of JFK was exposed.


it is important to note that before her death Brown carried no hostility towards Lyndon Johnson and in fact was just as smitten with him as on the first day they met.

Brown said that the plan to kill JFK had its origins in the 1960 Democratic Convention, at which John F. Kennedy was elected as presidential candidate with Johnson as his running mate, where H.L. Hunt, an American oil tycoon, and Lyndon Johnson hatched the assassination plot.


"When they met in California Joe Kennedy, John Kennedy's father, and H.L. Hunt met met three days prior to the election - they finally cut a deal according to John Currington (an aide to H.L. Hunt) and H.L. finally agreed that Lyndon would go as the vice president....this came from the horse's mouth way back in 1960 - when H.L. came back to Dallas I was walking....with him....and he made the remark, 'we may have lost a battle but we're going to win a war,' and then the day of the assassination he said 'well, we won the war'," said Brown.

Brown said that in the immediate aftermath of the convention Hunt and Johnson mapped out a strategy to kill Kennedy.

"It was a total political crime and H.L. Hunt really controlled what actually happened to John Kennedy - he and Lyndon Johnson," said Brown.

In the video Brown describes the make-up and activities of the "8F group" which revolved socially and politically around Johnson and Hunt and included high rolling oil tycoons, judges and then FBI director J. Edgar Hoover.

The group included Jack Ruby, the Dallas nightclub owner who would later shoot the patsy Lee Harvey Oswald dead on November 24.

"We were playing poker at the Carousel Club and Jack Ruby came over and he said 'you know what this is?' and I looked up....he had this motorcade route....it stung me that he would be this involved in knowing where the President of the United States was....at that time in my life I thought they were untouchable," said Brown.

Brown described Ruby as the "in man" in Texas who could be trusted to arrange call girls, drugs, gambling fixes and even contract killings.

The group met for a party in Dallas hosted by Clint Murchison, another business tycoon with close links to the Genovese mafia, on November 21st 1963, the night before the assassination. Those present at the event included J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy, Jack Ruby, George Brown (of Brown and Root), numerous mafia kingpins, several newspaper and TV reporters, and Richard Nixon.

The party began to wind down at around 11 o' clock when the attendees were shocked to witness the arrival of Lyndon Johnson who had traveled from Houston. Clint Murchison immediately called a meeting.

"They all went in to this conference room.....Lyndon didn't stay that much in the meeting and when he came out....he grabbed me by the arm and he had this deep voice and he said, 'after tomorrow those S.O.B.'s will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise.'"

"It was a political crime for political power," said Brown as she highlighted how people who were set to testify against Johnson for indictment proceedings, related to illegal kickbacks Johnson was receiving from agriculture programs before the assassination, were mysteriously set-up in homosexual scandals or found dead having allegedly shot themselves five times in the head.

"Had the assassination not happened the day that it did, Lyndon Johnson would have probably gone to prison - they would have gotten rid of him - he was so involved with some of this," said Brown.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=15167



See a pattern with all those witnesses in the JFK case, and those in the LBJ kickbacks ?

Motive ? There's a ton of them, for everyone involved.

Opportunity ? Self-created, and easy as pie to do. Lure the President (for valid political reasons ) to a city where a man like H.L. Hunt has incredible power. His name's been linked to the assassination by multiple people.

Dallas was a hotbed of anti-left sentiment.


Three years later, before the president's scheduled appearance, U.N. Ambassador Adlai Stevenson came to Dallas to speak at a U.N. Day program.

"There were some people who tried to downplay it later, even Adlai Stevenson himself," Mr. Payne said. "He said it was just a few people, but it wasn't just a few. I'd say it was half the auditorium, and that auditorium was packed."

During Mr. Stevenson's speech, protesters coughed in unison. They walked the aisles with upside-down American flags. Frank McGehee, leader of the National Indignation Committee, stood up and began shouting until police removed him.

With the speech over, Mr. Stevenson began to leave when an Oak Cliff housewife swung her anti-U.N. placard and bopped him on the head, an incident caught by TV and newspaper photographers. And as he neared a waiting car, an Irving college student spit at him.

"After I shoved him in the car ... [the protesters] started rocking the car, and the driver had to gun the car and almost kill a person to get out," the late Dallas retailer Stanley Marcus said years later. "There was a mob scene that night."

Walter Cronkite showed the television footage the next evening on the CBS news, and newspapers across the country ran the photo on the front page.

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2003/jfk/
stories/112003dnmetnevervisit.61c45.html


Yet, LBJ was the first to convince the President not to worry about it.

John Connelly, a very good friend of LBJ's, was asked by him NOT to ride in the President's limo.


President LBJ called him to ask for a "deathbed confession" from Oswald.

- Charles Crenshaw , one of the Dallas doctors that attended to both JFK and Oswald in the emergency room.

http://www.amazon.ca/Jfk-Conspiracy-Silence-Charles-Crenshaw/dp/0451403460


As a rather wealthy doctor, he has no real need for the money, reducing one possible motive. He's quite convinced that there was a conspiracy , and that the body was altered. He places his professional life ( as well as possibly his physical safety) on the line in doing so.

Why would the new President be so anxious for a "deathbed confession" ? It's pretty clear that any investigation would probably tie him to the killing, especially his exceptionally quick police description and arrest.

That strikes me as a most unusual thing for a President to directly do....
 themadfiddler

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omg will you please learn a little history! there were no computers in WWII. The University of Pennsylvania was commissioned by the army to build the first one to do ballistic calculations for artillery and didnt finish it until 1944 and it was too slow do to much. (it became the univac). When computers did start, IBM chairman watson opposed getting his business into them and only when his son tood over in the 1950s did IBM enter the game. wrong on both counts


Actually it was not computers. It was however enumerating machines, and IBM did sell them to the Reich and they were used for the very purpose of enumerating and recording concentration camp prisoners. This is not conspiracy material, it is simple recorded history. Several books have popped up to expose the whole story behind it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/27/print/main504730.shtml


IBM And Nazi Germany
Researcher Has New Documents On World War II Conduct


NEW YORK, March 27, 2002
(REUTERS) Newly uncovered Nazi-era documents shed light on the alleged role IBM played in helping Hitler to carry out the Holocaust in Poland, according to the author of a controversial book on the subject.

Investigative reporter Edwin Black, the author of a book published last year entitled "IBM and the Holocaust", puts forward further evidence to support his claims of IBM's knowledge and complicity in Nazi operations in wartime Poland in the paperback version to be published this week.

Historians working as part of Black's research team said that in the paperback they had pieced together the previously fragmented story of IBM's role in supplying the organizational machinery used to to transport millions of people to Polish death camps.

Black and his researchers said recently discovered Nazi government documents in the U.S. National Archives and Polish eyewitness testimony link IBM's U.S. operations directly to the operations of the Third Reich in occupied Poland.

"The word has gotten out and a lot of people still alive are supplying information that they didn't have the context to understand before," said Robert Wolfe, an expert on Nazi records and former chief of captured German government documents for the U.S. National Archives.

Wolfe told Reuters historians were finding new meaning in previously available papers documenting the use of IBM Hollerith computer machines to carry out the Holocaust.

"For those who have complained the proof is not there, this leaves little room for deniability," said Wolfe, who assisted on research for Black's book. He said data found in newly uncovered German documents, when combined with IBM corporate files and eyewitness accounts and other sources, answer criticisms first-leveled at Black's claims.

"This is the proof that IBM enabled the Holocaust. The connection to New York is now proven," Wolfe, a former U.S. infantry officer who ran de-Nazification programs during the U.S. occupation of postwar Germany, said in a phone interview.

Several Holocaust scholars and leaders of international Jewish groups called on International Business Machines Corp. (IBM.N) to officially apologize for the role its technology and former officials had once played in aiding Hitler.

"This negates all the excuses," said Malcolm Hoenlein, a vice president of the New York-based Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations. "IBM has to look at what its role should be in light of these revelations."

An IBM spokeswoman responded by saying that information remained sketchy on the role of the Armonk, New York-based company and that of its subsidiaries in Nazi Germany and that she was unaware of any new evidence implicating IBM.

"We are a technology company, we are not historians," spokeswoman Carol Malkovich said, noting that, like hundreds of U.S. companies, IBM had started losing control of its business in Germany beginning with Hitler's rise to power in 1933.

IBM turned over its corporate records of the period several years ago to academic archives in New York and Stuttgart, Germany, for review by independent scholars, Malkovich said, adding that: "IBM and the employees of this company of course find the atrocities committed by the Nazis abhorrent."

Historians have known for decades of Nazi use of Hollerith tabulators - the mainframe computer of its era.

But Black's book last year opened up debate on the little understood role of how central IBM technology may have been in allowing Nazis to systematically identify and help select victims of the Holocaust.

Black told Reuters that evidence uncovered after the book's publication had emerged on the role of a special wartime IBM subsidiary known as Watson Business Machines that reported directly to the New York headquarters through the Geneva offices of International Business Machines Corp.

He said his research had uncovered the existence of a 500-man Nazi statistical operation in Krakow that handled the complex task of scheduling trains used to transport prisoners from other European nations to death camps in Poland.

This so-called Hollerith Department of Polish Railways also calculated the rate of deaths per square kilometer due to progressive starvation and other arcane facts compiled to satisfy the Nazi's lust for statistics, Black said.

Leon Krzemieniecki, likely the only man still living who worked in the department, said in the book he did not understand at the time the role his office had in transporting Jews to the gas chambers. "I only know that this very modern equipment made possible the control of all the railway traffic in the General Government (of Poland)," he said.


The movie in question was a documentary, not a dramatic piece...well...not knowing the sources or it's validity I can't comment on that other than to say "The Corporation" was INTENDED to be a documentary.
 HAGAR TH

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Posted: 8/18/2007 9:46:24 PM
Cheney set up the Iranian Nuclear Crisis to acheive a United Arab Union for the Globalists.

I base this on his selling the centrifuges to the Iranians back in 1996 when working for Halliburton. Going into Iraq was the first step to unite the arabs. Finding a solution for the mess the Americans left in Iraq, once they withdraw, will be the reason they will all start talking and cooperating since it will affect the security of the entire region. Why do you think Halliburton moved their Headquarters to Dubai? How much Military Aid is going to the UAE?
 Jemue

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Posted: 8/19/2007 12:32:45 AM

As for all the WTC garbage?? Save it...go hit on Rosey. Stick that in the same file as Alien abductions with anal probes.


Ah yes, fingers in ears and shouting "la la la I can't hear you" you really are quite good at that, just as well your out numbered on that one.
 lovableladywanted

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Posted: 9/2/2007 6:15:31 AM
On the surface conspiracy theories sound sexy for the humdrum human in all of us lmao. I really do believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone... He was an unemployed military man that was very depressed looking for a name. Sorry folks. I know many people believe that 911 is a conspiracy but I truly believe that govt knew about it but chose to ignore it because they wanted to go into Iraq. I do not believe any govt members were in on it though. If I had to pick one thing that may be a conspiracy the closest thing I can come up with is FLIGHT 800 that was supposedly shot down,accidentally, in Atlantic Ocean off of Long Island around 1994 . I believe terrorists were somehow involved with that and that plane may have actually have been headed to WTC. Just my opinion folks. Keeping things like that a secret is important because airlines economy can go way down , being detrimental to economy on the whole.
 Sunwindnstars

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Posted: 9/2/2007 8:56:12 AM
How about "The Beale Treasure" or the "Money Pit".

Break those down for me. I call them CT because I'm not sure either is based in fact but I could be swayed.
 Hoop

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Posted: 9/2/2007 9:22:17 AM
When it comes to discussing specific 'physical events'
it seems to me that people cannot just focus on the physical evidence of these events.. they can't leave emotions, politics, and all the rest of the happy horses h it out of it.
When physical evidence clarifies momentous events, in come what I call the 'muddiers'
When in doubt regarding an event, think, don't 'feel.'
 skunk12pu

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Posted: 9/2/2007 10:57:52 AM
Call me nuts, but I'm more concerned about 9-11 World Trade Center
Attack, as it relates to the opening of trade barriers between Nations.
Did we use the terrorist attack to cover the tracks of governmental
shady economic deals?
Asian newspapers say they are carrying enough U.S. debt to
cripple our economy. Have we put the cart before the horse?
Are the Mega Corporations manipulating economies for capitol gain
on a world wide scale? Chess or checkers?
 Sunwindnstars

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Posted: 9/2/2007 11:31:27 AM
Are you an old Snake driver Mr Skunk?
 skunk12pu

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Posted: 9/2/2007 4:04:06 PM
No..Mr.Sunwindnstars...my brother sent pics from kandyland.
 Dawnland

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Posted: 9/2/2007 4:20:54 PM
Chinese and north Korean information (cyber) warfare against all US networks this spring. (did you notice your sloooow load times)?
 spacemanspiffter

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Posted: 9/22/2007 11:12:47 PM
I feel the most likely conspiracy theory of the 21st century to be the official story of 911.

I don't profess to know what really happened. But it did not happen the way people have been led to believe by the official story the United States government wants you to blindly accept. EXAMPLE: A plane hit the pentagon. BULLSHIT. As of this moment, right now. This second people. A UFO hit the pentagon. Fact is established by evidence. I dare anyone to find me solid evidence that a passenger airline hit that building as facts are known today. ANYONE: You cannot. You don't have the evidence to back up your THEORY in this regard. What you do have is alot of rhetoric saying this is what occurred.

I also am not afraid to say. I strongly believe the United States government (at the very least) was aware of what was going to happen and allowed it to happen.

EXAMPLE: Does anyone know the standard protocols regarding the presidents safety in the event of an attack on the nation? ANYONE? I can tell you for a FACT it sure as hell isn't him sitting in a school room listening to school children tell a tale of MY PET GOAT while the nation is being attacked.

The facts that have been uncovered (FACTS) ladies and gentlemen show the official story to be a lie. It can no longer be denied.

Lies, lies and more lies have been spoken to try to substantiate previous lie upon lie exposed. And all lies eventually will be exposed if pursued.

Read the the immortal words of John F Kennedy. "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR, BUT FEAR ITSELF." "ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY!"

These two statements could not apply more in your lives than they do this very moment. The citizens of this world have been bombarded with, TERROR, TERRORISTS, ISLAMISTS, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION??? ETC.. Over and over and over and over to the point you FEAR ........fear itself. This was the intent and has had the desired effect it was designed to have. IT WORKED.

I ask everyone to put away preconceived notions of anything you think you know about this horrific days events and take the time to watch a video I present of news stories and events of 911. I promise each and every one of you will have questions after watching it. The people in this video are highly intelligent respected citizens. They are not crackpots. They are not NUTTERS. And they sure as hell are not sending your children off to die. QUESTION EVERYTHING. It is your patriotic duty.

I submit for your consideration the following.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-751298171535560228

I thank you.
 Isispriest

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Posted: 9/23/2007 12:23:09 AM
Princess Dianna was murdered. Here she is possibly becoming engaged to Dodi. If she was to marry him she would have to become Moslem. So, the heirs to the English thrown and future head of the Anglican Church, William and/or Henry, would have been visiting their mother in Egypt as she prayed to Mecca. Couldn't be allowed to happen.
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