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Posted: 3/2/2009 7:55:26 AM | | If we all would check the history books we would see that one of our own bombers while flying through fog hit the Empire State Building in 1943. Only a few people died, and the building is still standing. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2009 9:41:33 PM | | The other day I was reading about a 150 year old newspaper, the Rocky Mountain News going out of business. There were comments that the internet has made newspapers practically defunct. I started thinking of all the other jobs that the internet has made defunct. These jobs are never coming back. We have a world with too many people and too few jobs. Does anyone think the government or the secret government needs to get rid of a bunch of us for economic stability to return? | |
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Posted: 3/8/2009 5:12:17 PM | Anyone notice that Iraq is one of side of Iran, and Afghanistan is on the other? That puts Iran squarely between 2 American bases. AFAIK, in military strategy, that's called a "pincer movement". Basically, they're boxed in like sardines. Easy pickings.
Anyone also notice that before 9/11 and the War on Terror, Iran was the enemy of America, and America couldn't do anything about it, because it was protected on both sides by strongly Islamic and militant countries? Anyone notice how before the War on Terror, war with Iran was unthinkable? Well, now it's possible.
Now, once America either has control of Iran, or has Iran giving them control of their oil, America will have strong control over all the oil in the Middle East, because all the other countries in the Middle East already are dealing with America. Since America is using oil like it's going out of fashion, then given that we know oil is going to run out soon, it makes perfect sense to grab all the oil now, while they can.
If I was a betting man, I'd bet that someone planned all this. Looks like a great way to take control of oil, and blame it on "National Security". All you need is to "ignore" a few warnings. Hey, weren't America warned that Pearl Harbour was likely to be attacked, and ignored it? Is it definite that Americans never expected Kamikaze missions, given how many Kamikaze missions they experienced in WWII? Is it definite that American Intelligence Services knew nothing about this? 9/11 kept Bush in the White House, and gave him an open ticket to do what he wanted.
I'm just asking questions. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2009 10:47:41 PM |
The other day I was reading about a 150 year old newspaper, the Rocky Mountain News going out of business. There were comments that the internet has made newspapers practically defunct. I started thinking of all the other jobs that the internet has made defunct. These jobs are never coming back. We have a world with too many people and too few jobs. Does anyone think the government or the secret government needs to get rid of a bunch of us for economic stability to return?
The last major global financial catastrophe lasted almost 10 years before finally being broken. Back then, problems were seen in a light similar to what we have today. Too many people, not enough jobs. No real prospects for improvement as long as the status quo remained.
I've always felt the Internet was going to be the downfall of life as we knew it. Its characteristics encourage the worst and dismissed the best. Computers play a pivotal role in helping to eliminate jobs by replacing people. We were told not to wrry because we'd become a "service-based society" - whatever that buzz-phrase means, and people believed it. Well here we are with even fewer jobs and not much reason to expect any anytime soon. And STILL no UTOPIA? And where's my Jetson's car???
You know what the very easiest solution to all of this would be? (Governments know.) Another huge world war. Industry would once again be brought back to life as in WWII. People would quickly be put to work as in WWII. They would have purpose to live again and to work hard as in WWII. The difference is that back then, people would never have suspected big business and governments of colluding to fashion such a human catastrophe in a misguided attempt to save humanity. Yes, in the end it did benefit big swaths of the globe, but it also left a bitter taste for worldwide conflict.
That's our greatest threat now, I feel. That some idiot or a bunch of government and big business idiots will get together and draw up plans for another human catastrophe which will:
1) Thin out the population;
2) Get the global economy moving again;
3) Get businesses profitable again;
4) Encourage the free flow of taxes into government coffers;
5) Keep big banks green and growing wildly once more.
6) Test out any number of newly-developed weapons to see if they actually work as planned in battle;
7) Use security and wartime to once more clamp down on freedoms populations grew to take for granted.
I'm sure leaders envision many other benefits to another good world war. The next guy to attempt this will be a lot slicker. The next guy will use another ploy that WILL concern everyone as possible targets. He's also going to do it in a fashion that will cause other countries to react in a big way and to totally commit their people and resources to engage with - or against him. It doesn't really matter which it is.
Something like - oh, I don't know...a rogue nation testing and proving that their missile delivery system works beyond expectations, while their nuclear capabilities seem to also be flourishing. Maybe pay someone on "the other side" an enormously obscene amount of money to let one loose toward "our side" and spark a response that eventually (or maybe faster than anyone imagines) escalates into WWIII.
Who would believe it was not intentional? Even their own people would have doubts.
The first retaliatory targets would include the guy who was paid off ot start it then no one could squeal and all would go as planned. The only questions remain...which country and how can it be made to look like they are ready, capable and have the intent to start something? And will people react as expected to or will the whole thing spiral out of control - like the financial escapade has?
Who is the next President to emulate Roosevelt and let an imminent enemy attack proceed unfettered so as to whip the population into a frenzy over it and once again ignite the economy as he is hailed a hero?
I don't know which idiot will do it, but he'd better take lessons from Bush I and Bush II that things these days are not what they were in the 1930s and 40s. People aren't all as gullible as they may have seemed back then. Nor will they react in any predictable manner (though they now know this from failed stimulus plans).
Governments recognize that less people means more for everyone who remains. They surely know there isn't enough to go around for all. Somebody, somewhere is almost certainly doing something to "remedy" that, as has been done in the past.
Now, once America either has control of Iran, or has Iran giving them control of their oil, America will have strong control over all the oil in the Middle East, because all the other countries in the Middle East already are dealing with America. Since America is using oil like it's going out of fashion, then given that we know oil is going to run out soon, it makes perfect sense to grab all the oil now, while they can.
If I was a betting man, I'd bet that someone planned all this... 9/11 kept Bush in the White House, and gave him an open ticket to do what he wanted.
Oh yeah, someone DID plan it all. And his name was Paul Wolfowitz, working as Undersecretary of Defense under****Cheney in 1992. (Rumsfeld was there inthe shadows, too) Just look up "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC). This one is no longer a conspiracy theory, but proven history. Wolfowitz, still married but separated, left his post as President of the World Bank after dictating in an ethics scandal that his girlfriend be given a pay raise exceeding policy limits. Not as "above the law" as he believed, apparently.
P.S. - If JFK wasn't a conspiracy, why did the Warren Commission order all findings sealed until the last of THEM would have been long-dead? Subsequent reviews of the commission report criticize the fact that the commission refused to hear any evidence which might lead in the direction of a conspiracy and that they also failed to further probe questions of prematuire destruction of physical evidence by law enforcement agencies.
I found it appalling that less than half of the 7-man commission was present during testimony from many witnesses and that of 94 witnesses in total, only ONE was ever heard by the full 7-man panel. One of those 7 was Allen Dulles, former head of the CIA.
The Warren Commission:
Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States, Died July 1074
Richard Russell, Jr. (D-GA), U.S. Senator, Died January 1971
John Sherman Cooper (R-KY), U.S. Senator, Died February 1991
Hale Boggs (D-LA), U.S. Representative, Disappeared, presumed Dead October 1972
Gerald Ford (R-MI), U.S. Representative, Died 12/2006
Allen Welsh Dulles, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency Died January 1969
John J. McCloy, former President of the World Bank, Died March 1989 (Hey! That was Paul Wolfowitz's post!)
In 1964, Ford would have been 51. The second youngest commission member with an expected lifespan of at least 20 more years, would have 126 been in 2039, when the report was originally dated for release. he was the only member still alive when the Freedom of Information Act and JFK Records Act of 1992 resulted in release of most of the Commission report. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2009 12:27:40 AM | | Interesting post wantasmart1. I don't see how another world war would be possible though, without involving nuclear weapons which would be a death sentence for most of the planet. I am thinking that getting rid of unwanted population would come in the form of a major salmonella outbreak or similar. Maybe the recent peanut butter scare was a test? | |
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Posted: 3/9/2009 1:42:48 AM |
Interesting post wantasmart1. I don't see how another world war would be possible though, without involving nuclear weapons which would be a death sentence for most of the planet. I am thinking that getting rid of unwanted population would come in the form of a major salmonella outbreak or similar. Maybe the recent peanut butter scare was a test?
RD,
Interestingly, if you go to Drudgereport.Com, you might still find this story as the top headline (3-9-09). I found it after posting the above:
N. Korea warns intercepting 'satellite' will prompt counterstrike
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96Q4L200&show_article=1
China has always warned off any country from screwing with North Korea and has said that in the event of an attack upon North Korea, since they've almost co-located some very important installations along their borders, China would back North Korea.
One of North Korea's most important recent installations is in a massive "hardened" structure, the only entrance (and weakest point) faces north directly toward China, as many of their facilities are made. In that way, any attackers would have to risk overflying Chinese territory. In the event of forced international "inspections", the facility is close enough to China that any incrminating evidence can simply be driven to and across the border into Chinese territory.
Such an inspection was conducted a few years back and bunkers were found to contain little of concern (though there was reason to suspect it had recently been emptied of contents) - so why the hardened bunkers? Since then, North Korea resumed nuclear weapons production to the point where a couple of years back, they admitted to possession of "at least" four nuclear warheads. In subsequent years, they've surely produced many more.
China has stated any such overflight would be considered an act of war against China as well. The reason is that millions of their own citizens are located within range of any possible fallout - depending on which way the wind is blowing, Chinese, South Korean and North Koreans WILL be exposed. north Korea uses this fact in their brinksmanship.
This is precisely the kind of incident I'm describing above. So now, North Korea is basically saying that if we interfere with the flight of that launch - even if it turns from a satellite launch trajectory into an ICBM launch trajectory, they will consider it an act of war and "retaliate".
You'll have North Korea acting and China reacting, effectively in concert. North Korea has timed this "test" to coincide with planned US-South Korea annual war "games" ensuring a prompt and intense response to anything that starts on either side. Coincidence or design?
North Korea's obssession with taking on the United States assures that within the first 30 minutes of a DMZ war, it's estimated about 1.1 million people will be killed, most of them would be civilians and South Korean and American troops. Our technology will not work well in the terrain that is North Korea. Their most sensitive installations are entombed within thousands of hardened bunkers buried deep within mountains. they also repotedly have unknown numbers of tunnels which would open up behind U.S. and South Korean troops at the DMZ.
North Korea is not about minior border skirmishes. They are about instant, total war on a moment's notice. In the event of a serious incursion or action by either side, you can bet on Japan, South Korea, China and Russia (and of course the U.S.) being involved in some form within minutes. People will be dying at the rate of about 40,000 per minute.
More info: (Just one of dozens of similar sources. Not all above info is from this site.)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3099.htm | |
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