| When do us good guys get the woman?
Posted: 3/8/2007 12:09:44 AM |
yeah but Ken... you don't have a car
It's sad that something that shallow and stupid actually factors into getting chicks....even though I'm sure you were being sarcastic...but still...it's actually true... | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 6:44:03 AM | I think make a little up is okay as long as you don't look like Tammy Baker lol. It brings out the nice features in a women. Some women look very drab without some makeup.
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Posted: 3/8/2007 6:51:07 AM | lol yes the sarcastic car comment was a little tease because Ken always mentions that in all of his posts...
and its obvious to me that my argument about the chemistry between two sexual beings dictating the pace of the sexual relationship obviously didn't get through as you guys decided to focus on the make-up portion of my post...
I'll try to keep my posts to stuff like:
"chicks dun lyk me, but i am nice and bye them flowers. why?"
which I'm sure will garner active response. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 6:57:58 PM | | walkalone... surely you aren't suggesting that expecting a grown man to have a car is shallow? PLEASE say you aren't suggesting that....... | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 12:49:39 AM |
I'll try to keep my posts to stuff like:
"chicks dun lyk me, but i am nice and bye them flowers. why?"
which I'm sure will garner active response.
Oh believe me, you WILL get a response if you talk like that....but it's not gonna be something that someone TYPES....
They're gonna sit and TRY to interpret whatever the hell you were trying to say and say to themselves..."what is this fool talking about?"
So trust me...you're fine just the way you are...lol...I just haven't had the time to go back and read that chemistry comment....sorry | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 12:54:28 AM |
walkalone... surely you aren't suggesting that expecting a grown man to have a car is shallow? PLEASE say you aren't suggesting that.......
Please say YOU are saying that it ISN'T shallow....
Chicks these days have absolutely NO CLUE what a guy's situation is...where he lives...or what he wants out of life....so EXPECTING a guy to have ANY TYPE of material possession outside of his own place IS shallow...that's the poster child for the word shallow....and it's also a good reason why more and more chicks are getting taken advantage of and played like morons, because a dude can FAKE having something that chicks THINK he should have....just to get some butt...
Come on now...the valid points are running on empty up in here...
Expecting a guy to have ANYTHING is ridiculous...I'm in New York...and it's WIDELY agreed upon that unless you live OUTSIDE of the 5 boroughs, it's FOOLISH to have a car. The vast majority of this city TAKE THE BUS. I DARE some chick to tell me they expect me to have something like a car while living HERE of all places...she'd be begging me to hurt her feelings...
And don't eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeven get me started on how the vast majority of chicks who expect a guy to have something, HAS NOTHING HERSELF!!! | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 1:12:12 AM | [qoute]bonbons, how many women have you dated? Alot of confident women are both aware of and use their sexuality upon first meeting a man. Have you been to a club lately- have you seen some of these outfits?
Why do you put on make-up? Why do women wear clothes that work well with their body-type? I would say it's for the benefit of men most of the time. [Although, I have heard convincing arguments that this type of behavior is actual about female-female competition]
Sex is always around us and unfortunately is often associated with negativity, and an oppresive male-centric society. Good guys and good girls are both sexual beings- all humans are! How soon it comes up and to what degree has nothing to do with the quality of one person or the other -(i.e. how "good" the guy is) -and frankly it doesn't have to do with the type of relationship either is looking forbut really the biggest factor is the UNIQUE chemistry between two people, two sexual beings.
That being said, you can tell alot about a man in the manner in which he brings it up and HOW IT MAKES YOU FEEL. (Was he in tune with you enough to know whether or not you would be comfortable braoching the subject?) Because I guarantee you, If during your FIRST conversation, you found yourselves really into each other and maybe a little turned on (be it mentally, emotionally or yes even physically ::gasp:: yes, it happens with some younger folk...!), and he picked up on this and with some class and subtly dropped in a double entendre and you both picked up on it and smiled and blushed- that "complaint" would never make it to this forum.. He wouldn't be a "pig" and you wouldn't be a "sex crazed nympho"
This is the politically correct version of ME talking here....there's really nothing I can add to this one, he pretty much said it all...    | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 4:46:57 AM | OH MY LORD......
Ok here is a little heads up for all you NICE GUYS out there with little or (ANY TYPE of material possession outside of his own place OR Expecting a guy to have ANYTHING is ridiculous).
DO NOT expect any self respecting, mature, fairly successful, NICE WOMAN, with a shred of dignity, AND has A LOT to offer to stand on a bus stop to meet for a date.....
I cannot believe that our society has sunken so low, to think that it's SHALLOW to expect another adult to have a car or offer anything to a relationship. What's he gonna do.. strap us to his back when we go to a movie?
That's IT.... I'm changing my screen name from JustJanice TO JustShallow.  | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 5:26:05 AM | lol justshallow your a riot. I like your sense of humor. You know the guys are gonna slam you for this one. When you said he could strap you to his back i was thinking of a ricshaw lol. He could pull you along. Don't know what you would do if its snowing and cold out. I have had a car since I was 16 and I am 52 and never ever been without a car. I can't imagine in this day and age being without one. I did not have alot of money I earned my money the hard way and always managed to have a car and decent clothes etc. Nothing handed to me on a silver platter. There is no reason not to have a car unless you had too many dwi's lol or your disabled which I feel really bad as I would go crazy with out a car. If that makes me shallow so be it.
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Posted: 3/9/2007 8:05:03 AM |
I cannot believe that our society has sunken so low, to think that it's SHALLOW to expect another adult to have a car
While I think in most cases it's expected, for a single person living in Manhattan or even some parts of Brookyln having a car isn't always status quo. In these cases offering to first meet somewhere easily accessible by Public Transportation should be the person's M.O.
sidenote: ladies, you should NOT have the man pick you up WHERE YOU LIVE OR WORK for the first meeting... this is just common sense!
Then, if there is a match and potential, you can bring up the subject and explain the situation. Both might consider it worthwhile enough to work things out whether it be the woman driving or you springing for a cab.
But let's be honest walkalone, for most people it is a sign of financial stability and responsibility- per bonbon's argument.
P.S. I just want EVERYONE to know and be jealous... Do you like apples? JJ e-mailed me and called me handsome. How do you like THEM apples!? | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 10:17:38 AM | oh yea....
(quote) sidenote: ladies, you should NOT have the man pick you up WHERE YOU LIVE OR WORK for the first meeting... this is just common sense! (quote)
WE KNOW THAT YOU CUTIE!!! eeesshhh MEN lol | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 10:21:08 AM | (lol justshallow your a riot. I like your sense of humor. You know the guys are gonna slam you for this one)
Honey if you can't find humor in this place it's time to hang up the ol keyboard!! lol
Hugs... JJ | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 1:48:37 PM |
Ok here is a little heads up for all you NICE GUYS out there with little or (ANY TYPE of material possession outside of his own place OR Expecting a guy to have ANYTHING is ridiculous).
DO NOT expect any self respecting, mature, fairly successful, NICE WOMAN, with a shred of dignity, AND has A LOT to offer to stand on a bus stop to meet for a date.....
I cannot believe that our society has sunken so low, to think that it's SHALLOW to expect another adult to have a car or offer anything to a relationship. What's he gonna do.. strap us to his back when we go to a movie?
That's IT.... I'm changing my screen name from JustJanice TO JustShallow.
How about changing your name to JustStupid....because if YOU are the poster child for the way chicks think these days, then that's just what they have become....STUPID...
Tell me this....HOW in god's name does having a damn car, an income, and ANY TYPE of worldly possessions stop that dude from going upside your head, or treating you like grade A sh*t, JUST BECAUSE he already KNOWS you're a money-grabbing pelican and the ONLY reason why you even gave him the time of day is because he had a car, or some kind of material possession going for him?
That's the mistake so many chicks make these days, and then you have the NERVE to complain when you get what you ask for. And then the next thing you know, we get forms like THESE wondering why nice guys always finish last....we finish last because chicks are too busy trying to find pointless, shallow, material things and NOT personality when it comes to a guy. NOT how good a guy can treat them...NOT whether or not that's the guy they can grow old with....no....instead, chicks like YOU want a dude to have cars and all that other crap....and somehow you feel that having a car has something to do with how he treats you...
Matter of fact, how about you leave all the chicks who ARE self-respecting, mature, and independent out of your little comment and just own up to what you're REALLY saying....it's all about what YOU want in a guy...NOT every other chick.....
And even as pathetic as it is....You're entitled to want what YOU want....just don't drag every other chick down with you... | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 1:56:20 PM |
But let's be honest walkalone, for most people it is a sign of financial stability and responsibility- per bonbon's argument.
I can't really agree that it's a sign of financial stability OR responsibility....now, had I NOT lived in Charlotte, North Carolina where SO MANY dudes have cars signed up on their MOTHER'S name, then I WOULD be able to agree.
But for ANYBODY (male or female) to say that they can't see why anybody WOULDN'T have a car in this day and age is just foolish. There are TONS of people out there who flat out DON'T NEED ONE. The public transportation system in their cities work just fine....whether it's New York (not Middletown, where you NEED ONE), or Charlotte, or Philly (places I've been)...if you don't NEED one, how does that say ANYTHING about your character?
I mean, come on now, the mayor of New York rides the train to work every day for crying out loud....does that say anything about HIM? No....so people need to stop making fools of themselves trying to hint towards how having a car says ANYTHING about you, how good you treat a chick, your character, or anything else....
But that whole responsibility thing....if I hadn't lived in Charlotte, I'd be high-5'ing you right now... | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 2:21:39 PM | Easy now, Let's keep it friendly!
I misspoke about it being a sign of financial stability/responsibility. You're right. But I think the converse is true: it's more accurate to say that under MANY circumstances, not having a car raises a red flag in MANY women's eyes.
Is he a repeat DUI offender? If he doesn't have the means for a car, how would he be able to support a family? etc... So while JJ can't speak for the majority of women, she can offer her viewpoint and regardless about how you think it reflects on our society, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say its a common one. However stupid you may think it is.
Do you see where I'm coming from Walk? | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 2:41:47 PM |
Easy now, Let's keep it friendly!
I misspoke about it being a sign of financial stability/responsibility. You're right. But I think the converse is true: it's more accurate to say that under MANY circumstances, not having a car raises a red flag in MANY women's eyes.
Is he a repeat DUI offender? If he doesn't have the means for a car, how would he be able to support a family? etc... So while JJ can't speak for the majority of women, she can offer her viewpoint and regardless about how you think it reflects on our society, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say its a common one. However stupid you may think it is.
Do you see where I'm coming from Walk?
Oh trust me...I see where you're coming from...and that's EXACTLY why this makes my butt itch so much...because it's TRUE. And it's something this simple that leads PLENTY of chicks in today's society to wonder about things this shallow and stupid. And this is why we end up with forums with guys wondering when do the good ones get with someone worthwhile (among other reasons)....
By nature, chicks are materialistic....there's no denying that, and those are spiteful or hateful words...it's just a fact....but one thing that needs to change about that is that they need to realize that no matter what a guy's material possessions are, that in no way, tells what kind of person he is, nor does it tell you that he's not gonna wig out on you some day...I mean, look at all those cases of millionaires, celebrities, and maybe even OJ, who pretty much USE their dollar signs and cars to get chicks..and then somewhere down the line, they throw a chick down a flight of stairs when they're carrying a baby, or go upside a chick's head just to show how much of a so-called "man" they are...and after all this, it's the CHICKS who are stuck with egg on their face thinking how "he seemed so successful and stable when I met him...." | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 2:45:11 PM | Then at the end of the day, we get forums like this with good guys wondering why we don't get any attention...
Well, I have the answer for some of us, but only in SOME cases.....
We don't get any attention because the chicks we want are normally in ICU, enrolled in a witness protection program, or sitting at home nursing a black eye and busted lip... | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 3:10:11 PM | just yes you are wrong , expecting a man to own a car or anything else is wrong
yes it may be consider a the usual thing or " the norm" for lack of a better phrase
but you said you should expect the man to have certan thing s thats where your
wrong, | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 3:12:56 PM | for the record I don t have a car at this time , but that desnt stop me
from getting around, there are plenty of cab s availible, and when Im alone
yes I use the bus or the train, and I prefer the train to getting around manhattan
rather then bringing a car, for various reason s | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 4:36:30 PM | Ummmmm BON..... :) heheee you were right.
Me thinks me hit a chord.
I humbly apologize to ALL the men out there with NO CARS and I truly, from the bottom of my teeeeny tinnnny shallow heart, wish you ALL the best on your dates. I'm quite confident there are MANY lovely women out there that would love to meet you by train, plain or cab and bus .  | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 4:42:37 PM |
Ummmmm BON..... :) heheee you were right.
Me thinks me hit a chord.
I humbly apologize to ALL the men out there with NO CARS and I truly, from the bottom of my teeeeny tinnnny shallow heart, wish you ALL the best on your dates. I'm quite confident there are MANY lovely women out there that would love to meet you by train, plain or cab and bus .
I think the truly comical part to all of this is how she acts like 95% of the time, most likely, chicks wouldn't WILLINGLY meet a dude by way of train, bus, or cab...
Like I said before...this is HER little personal issue. You didn't hit a vein...BELIEVE ME...common sense speaks way louder than any shallow request...all you did was open our eyes about YOU....NOT other chicks....
So thanx for the heads up... | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 5:14:04 PM | Now that I think about it...
I'm always hearing chicks talk about "a man should accept a woman for who she is"...
See now...if that were a 2-way street, I could ride that bandwagon....but it's NOT...not by any stretch of the imagination...just ask the one who yaps about a guy SHOULD have a car...
This one might start with parents. We tell our girls that a guy should be this and that, and have this and that....but we don't tell our SONS anything. That really clouds a girl's vision when it comes to choosing her ideal guy, because they will definitely end up as one of those chicks whose heads get beat in by a dude with everything material that they are told a guy should have. Whereas, on the other hand, the GUYS (the good ones) get the back end up that deal, because we end up with money-grabbing, ignorant, gold-digging, baby stealing, morons who think they're worth what they bring to the table which is NOTHING...
That brings up a LOT of things...
#1. The chicks who yap about a guy SHOULD have this and that.....what do THEY bring to the table, whether it's financial, material, mental, or otherwise? Because I have yet to hear a guy saying something dumb like a chick SHOULD have a car, house, and good paying job for ANY reason...
#2. There's not a female on this planet that won't say they're NOT worth all the material things that a guy has. But that's not up to THEM to decide. I don't think there's a guy out there that will give a chick anything just because SHE said she's worth it...then again....scratch that...I know a few guys like that....
#3. Like I've said before....how does a guy's income, material possessions, and financial stability equate into how well he's treating you? I mean, sure, you can go out to the most expensive places...you can go on trips everywhere....but still...you'd be dumb enough to think that means anything on EMOTIONAL level...and end up getting beat up, cheated on, used as a drug mule, and all other things under the sun...and in the end, you beg for a good guy. After all that, you think a good guy would want YOU after seeing that you prefer QUANTITY OVER QUALITY? I've said this time and time again....how do you know that some dude flipping burgers and living with his mother won't treat you like ROYALTY over some chump who drives a Bentley and treats you like dirt? You DON'T...because all you see are the dollar signs.
#4. How can any chick claim to be independent when they expect a guy to have anything financial? Lets be serious here....you claim to be independent...but the fact that a guy has a job ALWAYS seems to play a part in who you want to be with. What kills me is how they ALWAYS use the same line, "I want him to have a job so I'm not the one paying for everything"....why is that like the favorite catch phrase for chicks these days? Come on now...that excuses doesn't float anymore. If you were REALLY independent, you wouldn't CARE whether or not he's working. You would ONLY care if he's asking YOU for money. If you can't tell the difference, then I pity you....
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Posted: 3/10/2007 1:18:18 PM | OMG iwalkalone lighten up will you. Speaking only for myself I am the most unmaterialist girl I know. Everything I have is from yardsales, I buy my clothes at the salvation army. I have no fancy jewlery, yes I do have a beautiful home but I built it myself. Yes you heard me right. I do not expect a man to have this big paying job and lots of money. All I care about is his heart. Is he sincere, trusting, caring, loving, kind, gentle, affectionate. I do expect him to have a car as I just think its normal to have a car it could be a $500 bommer for all I care. My car is a 2000 chevy fully loaded for $1,800. I got that from a private sale in the paper. I love my car. You do not have to have alot of mony to enjoy life or get a mate. Just a heart that is willing to be open and giving. I would rather have one day with a man who had no money having a picnic lunch who treated me like gold, to a life time with a rich man who treated me like dirt.
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