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Posted: 6/21/2008 2:31:21 PM | Kewell has been back to something like his best for Australia and has helped them to secure a place in the next phase of the World Cup qualifiers. They have one last match today in Sydney against bottom of the table China PR, but have already qualified ahead of Iraq.
There's now confident talk he will be one of the over aged players going to Beijing for the Olympics.
Right now I think he's playing a waiting game to see if he can secure the kind of contract he wants to see out the next couple of years before returning home. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 4:03:38 PM | Sad to say good bye to JAR, yes he;s had a poor couple of seasons, but was still a quality player over more then a couple of seasons for us.
I wont be missing 'we're playing crap so i'm going off injured so it doesn't look like its my fault' Kewell. there is a pattern to his limping off and if the game is going well. Sorry lad, cant say its been that much of a pleasure, don't let the door bang your arse on the way out.
any one else see the yanks expenses claim from the club??? personal expenses of £1.5m.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/06/10/sfnliv110.xml
i hate those 2 with a passion and if you bought the new kit, well done. Not. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 6:47:46 PM | | Still wonder what happened with Harry K?! He was devastating before he left Leeds for the Pool...I really thought he was going to be a big player for Liverpool. Never really got going for any length of time... | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 8:43:57 PM | I think Harry Kewell he had every opportunity to make it happen in what has to be a dream move to Anfield. He was given a shirt that legends have worn over the the glorious 1980's, but he rarely ever showed the brilliance he had done for Leeds.
On a brighter note, the famous number 7 (of which my nickname is tribute to), is up for grabs.
Will someone new get it or someone already on the books?
C'Mon Rafa. Buy David Silva from Valencia and give him the number 7. | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 2:38:19 AM | i hate those 2 with a passion and if you bought the new kit, well done. Not.
IF I decide to buy the new kit, then I will. It will be bought in pride for The Reds NOT for the American owners.
As the saying goes 'NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB'
I've not bought any of the last few shirts so this year may be different.
Still wonder what happened with Harry K?! He was devastating before he left Leeds for the Pool...I really thought he was going to be a big player for Liverpool. Never really got going for any length of time...
What happened IMO is that Leeds were a decent side, & Kewell was a better player than most that played there, he stood out amongst average players. Whereas when he arrived at Anfield, he seemed medicore due to the amount of more talented players that was already at the club.
He was given a shirt that legends have worn over the the glorious 1980's Shirt was worn by legends long before the 80's, Don't forget Keegan & Dalglish just for starters. | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 5:28:12 AM |
Shirt was worn by legends long before the 80's, Don't forget Keegan & Dalglish just for starters.
I hadn't forgotten them. In fact I meant to include them, but I've only been a Liverpool supporter since I first started watching the game in 1988. So Dalglish and Keegan were a little before my time. Ian Rush, John Barnes, Steve Nicol, Peter Beardsley, Jan Molby, John Aldridge, Bruce Grobbelar were the team of that era I first saw.
And later Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman, Jamie Redknapp, Mark Wright were heroes for me.
So it's been a long time since I've seen a league championship winning side.
C'Mon Rafa, we can't let Sir Alex retire making Man Utd the most league championship winning team in England. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/22/2008 12:55:24 PM |
IF I decide to buy the new kit, then I will. It will be bought in pride for The Reds NOT for the American owners.
"You could say that anyone who was eating Weetabix was paying for our purchase of Weetabix. It was just business. It is the same for Liverpool; revenues come in from whatever source and go out to whatever source and, if there is money left over, it is profit."
with a 1.5m expenses bill this year.
I am a red, a proud red, i don't have to wear my colours to show my loyalty or love for the club. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/22/2008 1:31:03 PM | So just because I CHOOSE to buy the shirt doen't make me proud Red then.....Ok then that's it you've persuaded me not to buy it. NOT
I don't need to wear the colours, but I CHOOSE to, is that ok with you? | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 9:15:50 PM | Well I don't need anyones permission to wear the colours with pride. Does it really matter if Americans are the money behind the club? If Liverpool were champions of England and champions of Europe right now, would we all as Reds supporters be even squabbling about such trivial matters?
No matter what the politics, I support the club; its Manager: Rafa Benetiz; all its players (even the ones who were "failures"); and all the supporters around the world.
Damn, any player would be honoured to even walk down the steps under the "Welcome to Anfield" sign and onto our pitch wearing the red of Liverpool, never mind how well he or she plays.
And to be in the stadium as a supporter singing "You'll never walk alone" would be comparable to standing in the finest cathedrals of the world. Even if it was a reserve Liverpool side vs some non-league side in the FA Cup.
Be thankful we don't have to be involved emotionally in the politics. Leave that for the owners and Rick Parry to sort out. let's just enjoy the beautiful game the way it's played at Anfield and wear our colours with pride.
Sorry, 2 cents worth again......... :) | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/23/2008 9:50:44 AM | Apologies, quotes went off when edited.
i didn't say if it made you a proud one or not did i, i am defining myself in that sentence.
I don't need to wear the colours, but I CHOOSE to, is that ok with you?
as for if it is ok with me, actually, its non of my damn business, but i do feel the club is, i want what's best for the club, and that means these 2 planks out. How is that supposed to be a possibility when so called fans choose to not stick together for the best interest of the club?
Well I don't need anyones permission to wear the colours with pride. Does it really matter if Americans are the money behind the club? If Liverpool were champions of England and champions of Europe right now, would we all as Reds supporters be even squabbling about such trivial matters?
Erm when the owners are sly enough to go behind our managers back, when our manager is already doing a damn good job, klinsman for insurance reasons, perfect example, yes, as fans we should and would.
No matter what the politics, I support the club; its Manager: Rafa Benetiz; all its players (even the ones who were "failures"); and all the supporters around the world.
and when the owners don't back him?? how can you give Rafa the support when the owners have ousted him?
Damn, any player would be honoured to even walk down the steps under the "Welcome to Anfield" sign and onto our pitch wearing the red of Liverpool, never mind how well he or she plays.
Really? you don't think all the commotion going on at the club is a put off?
And to be in the stadium as a supporter singing "You'll never walk alone" would be comparable to standing in the finest cathedrals of the world. Even if it was a reserve Liverpool side vs some non-league side in the FA Cup.
Do it regularly, and to be honest, it is no where near as magnificent as it once was.
Be thankful we don't have to be involved emotionally in the politics. Leave that for the owners and Rick Parry to sort out. let's just enjoy the beautiful game the way it's played at Anfield and wear our colours with pride.
That my good sir, it the problem in one, you love the club emotions are involved.
The politics are out in the open, Rafa is being undermined, our club is in HUGE and debt, the new stadia is still not even close to being ground broke and to sum up our club is being taken for a ride, and no one is accountable.
Just one other thing, do you think the texas rangers are impressed with their owner?? | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 12:13:45 PM | ^^^^^^ Don't you think a mass walk out of fans would have the desired effect, rather than the sale of shirts.
Where would the owners be then if the revenue didn't come in from the gates.
Then the sponsors would put pressure on them to sell
The players would probably strike (if they'd got real passion for the club)
& probably the rest of the board would make their feelings felt on the matter. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/23/2008 1:30:37 PM | I think i prefered the name superman returns, not that ive anything against ade edmondson lol | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/23/2008 2:13:22 PM | If there was a mass walk out of fans, just like there was at utd when the glaizers took over, then another fan would easily take that place. Do you have any idea how long our season ticket waiting list is?? Realistically, its only a small portion of revenue from the gates in terms of the 'brand'.
Tom Hicks no matter what is a very astute business man, he knows he can rely on the loyalty of fans, I go to the games, but not another penny of my money has gone into our club this year.
Do you honestly think they have the best interests of the club at heart? | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/23/2008 2:26:29 PM |
Do you honestly think they have the best interests of the club at heart?
They are business men, plain & simple. They are at the club to make money, not to please the fans.
They are the last things on their minds. That is the same at any club & David Moores was exactly the same. He held out for as much money as possible & if he was as passionate about the club, fans & players he wouldn't have turned down the offer from Steve Morgan. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/23/2008 5:09:30 PM | Maybe my passion for the Liverpool FC team only extends to the first team that takes to the field in Premier League; FA Cup; League Cup and European cup competitions.
Being on the other side of the world kinda distances me away from the world you see Fiona, standing in the shadow of Anfield.
I'm sorry if that is shallow. But like most fans who aren't emotionally involved at such an intimate level as you with the day-to-day happenings, then I'm a bit more standoffish about whatever matters that happen behind closed doors.
Klinsman is a rumour I've not heard and maybe such a minor one that respected sporting news and publications here in Australia choose not to touch unless it was absolutely true (unlike some British tabloids who love to sensationalise things for ratings and sales purposes).
Love or hate what goes behind closed doors won't change what happens there. And money is not the supreme answer to a clubs fortunes of success. So I don't believe making a personal choice to limit financial support for the club will change anything.
It's now more than ever Liverpool supporters need to believe in the club and stop looking at the past glories of the Shankly / Paisley era. That's history I personally never knew or had the privilage of witnessing.
Right now we are in danger of Sir Alex's dream to retire making Man Utd the most successful club in English football. For me, nothing could be worse. But dare I say it, what he and his club has done in the modern era, they deserve to knock us off. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2008 10:39:50 AM |
They are business men, plain & simple. They are at the club to make money, not to please the fans.
Agreed, but they advertised themselves as 'custodians' remember?
Maybe my passion for the Liverpool FC team only extends to the first team that takes to the field in Premier League; FA Cup; League Cup and European cup competitions.
Most of the reds you see in early rounds will be the reserve type team and mainly kids getting debut's
I'm sorry if that is shallow. But like most fans who aren't emotionally involved at such an intimate level as you with the day-to-day happenings, then I'm a bit more standoffish about whatever matters that happen behind closed doors.
its not behind closed doors though, its out in public and easily accessible for fans to read should they wish too.
Klinsman is a rumour I've not heard and maybe such a minor one that respected sporting news and publications here in Australia choose not to touch unless it was absolutely true (unlike some British tabloids who love to sensationalise things for ratings and sales purposes).
lol, seriously?? you haven't heard it? ok, outline, October last year TH GG and RP met up with Klinsman, he was approached with a veiw to take over and manage LFC, initially as they later put it, to sound him out over Rafa's potential transfers, and then, when it came out in the wash, claimed he was an insurance policy,
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/01/14/tom-hicks-jurgen-klinsmann-only-an-insurance-100252-20347645/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jan/30/liverpool.premierleague
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/04/12/ufnliverpool112.xml
look at the top post on here, http://forums.thisisanfield.com/viewtopic.php?t=24400
Love or hate what goes behind closed doors won't change what happens there. And money is not the supreme answer to a clubs fortunes of success. So I don't believe making a personal choice to limit financial support for the club will change anything.
I beg to differ there, take a certain national so called news paper that hasn't been bought in the city for near on 20 years as a classic example. The lost revenue is in the millions.
Again, check out what the owners promised and what they have delivered.
It's now more than ever Liverpool supporters need to believe in the club and stop looking at the past glories of the Shankly / Paisley era. That's history I personally never knew or had the privilage of witnessing.
No offence meant, but you cant call yourself a Liverpool fan without knowing your history. When your discussing football with rivals, what do you mention, 1 CL cup, no we have 5, its ours, in our cabinet for keeps. what about titles, we have 18 of them, no? you only discuss what we have achieved in your supporting life time? We are still the most decorated top flight club.
LFC fans have a belief so deep in the club it goes past the owners. when you hear the words Anfield, its the words Liverpool and Kop that spring to mind? when we are quoted for the best atmosphere, when in interviews they ask for the 12th man, who is that?
Right now we are in danger of Sir Alex's dream to retire making Man Utd the most successful club in English football. For me, nothing could be worse. But dare I say it, what he and his club has done in the modern era, they deserve to knock us off.
No they don't, why do they? because they are winning? that's it? we did win more EPL games then them this season you know, we just lost on a few where they drew. They are 700m in debt, current debt they are not servicing. they are no better then us, I respect Alex, i respect his control and discipline of the team. However, they are not a million miles ahead of us, and so what if they over take, it will be a sore day, but how long will it last for? Rafa has accomplished more in his first 4 season then fergie did.
I'll get off my soap box now... ;) | |
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Posted: 6/24/2008 8:53:59 PM | I do like your passion Fiona :)
Don't worry about the soap box stuff. I got one here in Australia I hop on from time to time as well.
All I meant about Sir Alex and Man Utd is that if we looked only at the Premier League and what they have achieved since it took over from the old Division 1, then we got a serious balance issue that doesn't make for good reading to any fan of any club in England.
Undoubtably, Rafa is The Man for the job. I'm so glad he has decided Anfield is his home and not the Bernabeu. But what a task he has before him. I think he's built the team right and I don't see too many weaknesses in his player purchases.
This season has got to be ours. Surely we can turn it around.
Do you think Rafa might see my post about buying Bojan, David Silva and Jesus Navas? LOL | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:41:28 AM | I don't think Rafa will be making many signings this summer, i fear the players we are loosing more then anything else, given the buying and selling aspect of things, we have to sell to buy, and it ain't happening......
While people still believe the reports of figures for players given by the media, people will believe the funds are there... sadly they're not. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/25/2008 11:55:00 AM | So what if the funds aren't available, it's about time LFC took the Fergie approach & began to blood more & more of the youngsters instead of bleating on about money this & money that.
There are plenty of good young players that will be great if they are given the opportunity. Why do you think Man Utd are where they are today.
It's because the younger generation of players were blooded together & knew the way each other played.
I say give youth a chance & stop whining about the lack of money.
And please people stop preaching, it's getting slightly old very quickly. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/25/2008 1:48:30 PM |
So what if the funds aren't available, it's about time LFC took the Fergie approach & began to blood more & more of the youngsters instead of bleating on about money this & money that.
Who giggs scholes neville brothers and the like? Or Shrek, horse face and Ronaldo?
Fergie signed the younger players early on, he had top scouts, they gelled together over a period of 4 years or so before they made their debute the others i have mentioned have been older signings, do you care to name a few more?
There are plenty of good young players that will be great if they are given the opportunity. Why do you think Man Utd are where they are today. erm, let me think, huge debt, a strict manager, and top scouts, do know who rumour has our scout was for France in GH days? because in theory that scouts players would just be popping through the ranks now, if they were good enough....
I say give youth a chance & stop whining about the lack of money.
you didn't see quite a few debuts this season then, you didn't see our ressies top the league? Youth are getting the chance, Rafa didnt inherit a good set of players to nurture through, they are showing their class now, but that doesn't mean we step back on buying developed players. Has Fergie never added to his squad, and with a small budget?? The only manager i can see who has ever done that was Wenger last summer. Possibly to his detriment with the requests that have been put in this summer.
And please people stop preaching, it's getting slightly old very quickly. this is a forum for debate, you don't like it don't look, its that simple. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/25/2008 2:34:40 PM |
this is a forum for debate, you don't like it don't look, its that simple.
Yes you're right, but your post come across as condescending & holier than thou. I will go to which forums i want & when i want to go to them, I will also voice MY opinion as I wish. If you don't like it then walk past & let someone else have their say.
erm, let me think, huge debt, a strict manager, and top scouts
We're already in a huge debt & the main person to blame for that is the so called FAN who could have refused point blank to sell to obvious highwaymen who are only at the club to MAKE money for themselves. The only way to make money is to win things NOT run a legendary club into the ground.
As for the strict manager.....How do you think he got his players performing to such a level that they have almost overtaken our team within the last ten years or so. You can't always mollie coddle the team as just like a child, it will be spoilt & control you rather than you control IT.
Don't get me wrong I think Rafa is the perfect man for the job & i hope that he is at the club a long, long time & that he outstays the men who are employing him.
One other thing....I will be buying the new kit for myself & my kids. Not for the American's but to show that we are proud to have the Red blood of Liverpool running through our vains. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/25/2008 3:01:30 PM |
The only way to make money is to win things NOT run a legendary club into the ground.
And that way is?? The majority of the debt is saddled on to the club, not their assets. Torres funding came from a bank loan, a loan that is not being serviced, utd may be winning, but their debt is increasing. Some are just there not being touched too, yet gaining interest, what happens when things go tits up?
As for the strict manager.....How do you think he got his players performing to such a level that they have almost overtaken our team within the last ten years or so. You can't always mollie coddle the team as just like a child, it will be spoilt & control you rather than you control IT. Alex has had 20 years or so with that club, Rafa's had 4, he isnt seen to mollie coddle the team, we don't have the spice boy era again, and in that 4 he has down fantastic things, so where is your argument?
This season there was 11 points in it, our 2 games with them, had we had won them, then what? the gap is not that huge.
One other thing....I will be buying the new kit for myself & my kids. Not for the American's but to show that we are proud to have the Red blood of Liverpool running through our vains.
Its your choice, i don't agree with it, does it have any affect on you, no. So what? mine have got almost every kit going back to 96, (my eldest is 13) i am sure they have enough to see them through should they choose to show they support the club in the colours. Does it make them a better fan becasue they show their colours? does it hell, it makes them a better person to stand up for what's right.
Each to their own. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:28:32 PM | My fellow Liverpool fans: I hope you're all done picking each other line by line.
Fiona, you're a local supporter and a season ticket holder. All politics aside, and I mean all of it: What is it really like at Anfield on match day?
Let's say it's Saturday. Barclays Premier League fixture. Liverpool FC at home to bitter rivals Manchester United. There's nothing in it on the league ladder and form counts for nothing in a fixture like this. You're standing at the Kop end of the ground. Pepe Reina is just a few metres away from you as he limbers up and does his stretches. Steven Gerrard walk over to him and has a last word to him. You can almost reach out a hand to him for him to shake................ | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/26/2008 1:59:30 AM | I wonder what Stevie G says to Pepe...oh I know...he's reminding him that he has backed Pepe to pick the ball out of the net no more than 4 times in ANOTHER defeat to United
And as for this continual pretense that somehow you had a better league season than us Princess...that's A BIT ridiculous. Liverpool were way off the pace from very early on and were clearly NEVER going to win it. | |
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| Liverpool F.C
Posted: 6/26/2008 2:40:22 AM | Bite me Kirk! lol
did i ever say we had better? no. i said we won more games which is FACT, and had we done the double over your lot, things could of been different in just 2 games. We've done it in recent times, this season city did it over them.
Very early on never going to win it? The very same thing could of been said of utd.... clearly if you rememebr the beginning of the season.
Utd, Draw, draw, loss, win, win,
Liverpool Win, win, draw, win, draw
obviously as you say, very clear early on.
Red 07...
I'm not a STH, sadly never have been, been on the waiting list for more then a decade, as have my children, (ok, as long as they have been alive almost lol) their dad was a STH.
I get to around 15-20 games a season, in my younger days i was never allowed to go to a utd game due to the trouble before and after, and to be honest, its not a game that appeals. Its a game i would rather see in the pub. Even in the pub or at home importance of it and the tension you feel before the game is more then enough. I'm also now an out of towner, i no longer live within the north west. Doesn't stop me going, it just means its a 12 hour day out trip. I have barely sat on the Kop since its been seated, i'd guess not more then 20 times. I sit in the main stand during the early cup games with the kids, the ticket for each would be around £25 mark or in prem league games we are in the upper Anny road area (directly above the away fans) that still costs around the £50 a go mark.
The atmosphere seems to be better at evening games, because of the distance to travel with work and what have you, most of those that live away from the area don't go, fewer daytrippers, its more a regular local attendee that goes to them. As a result, the older songs come out, friends get to sit together and so on. Next season should be stronger again, the singing sections of the kop have been enlarged and STH's have been given the opportunity to move and sit in those blocks.
You definitely have a nostalgic view there.. lol | |
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