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So if you have issue...have issue w/ what God has said, not I.

the Jewish faith is the same as Christain Bible,with the exception they do not believe in the new testament.

Really? How do you suppose the Jewish faith is the same as the Christian

yes, someone with knowledge and eloquence is needed to make a good, worthy representation of Christianity.

You are probably familiar with many varying streams of philosophy, psychology, metaphysics, and religion which attempt to define what a human being and what a localized "consciousness" or mind actually is, by defining and contrasting various components of the overall makeup of man.

For a few examples: id/ego -- subconscious/conscious/superconscious -- body/mind/spirit -- high self/low self -- sun sign/moon sign -- logical/intuitive -- yin/yang -- physical body/non-material mind and soul -- etc. etc.

In yoga, for example, the object is not to transform the ego, but rather transcend the ego by stilling the mind and realizing what is real and permanent, and then attempting to identify the "lower mind" and ego self with that highest reality through various practices, meditation, etc. It is said that the delusions of the egoic mind obscure the genuine inner spiritual nature, just as the clouds obscure the sun. The necessity is only to remove the clouds, so the influence of the sun can be directly experienced ... not to try and "create" a "sun" that is indeed already there, hidden by layers of delusion, conditioned thinking, and identification with the physical body and brain.

Genuine Christianity, in my estimation, has nothing to do with "trying" to "become" "good." That may sound absurd, but bear with me for a moment. In the Christian paradigm, God is not attempting to REFORM the lower nature -- the egoic self identified with the flesh and everything associated with it (i.e., in Biblical phraseology: sin, death, ignorance, deception, conditioned thinking aligned with and influenced by the global hive mind and physical orientation only, restricted perspective,sense-gratification, ego-centrism, etc.) The Christian scriptures refer to this condition or state as "the old man," or "the natural man," the carnal man. Doctrines have sprung up about the "fallen man" and fallen human race -- gnosticism in particular even leans toward the concept of a false counterfiet creation or "virtual reality" matrix type of idea created by a usurping negative power to enslave spiritual beings in a physical world.

Again, the substance of genuine Christianity revolves not around trying to reform or transmute this lower deceptive and restricted nature, but rather cast it aside and allow it to wither and die through neglect. This is made possible by REGERNATION (i.e, "born again," or "born from above") -- whereby a NEW inner spirit nature or component is implanted within the believer/recipient who appropriates the divine offer as a reality and gift, with no strings attached. The word "believe" in the Greek denotes a deep trust and reliance upon; inner faith and perception -- not just shallow intellectual ascent or lip-service.

Christianity involves this metamorphasis in the inner soul and spirit whereby a new nature is created and bestowed via association with the spiritual power and energy of Jesus Christ and the regenerative agent, the Holy Spirit. The Christian path and way involves disassociating with the old nature by means of neglecting it -- cutting off its energy source by not feeding it, so to speak. Vast cosmic forces were set in motion when Jesus (God in the flesh) was crucified, resurrected, and ascended.

And more importantly, Christianity involves yielding to the influence of the new inner nature -- not so much by "trying," but just surrendering to it in faith and relying on the associated empowerment and provision of the Holy Spirit which is promised to the believer who is brought into spiritual and metaphysical union with Christ via grace and faith. This is why genuine spiritual life and love are referred to as "fruits." Fruit emerges spontaneously in a healthy tree or vine -- there is no "struggle" involved on the part of the fuit -- it just emerges naturally and easily when the proper conditions are provided (water, sun, nutrients, pruning, etc.).

The believer is thus compared to a branch connected with the Vine -- the metaphor of the Vine relating to Jesus Christ. He, the regenerated believer, is in invisible inner spiritual union with Christ -- Christ being the source of provision.

My understanding of the Christian life is therefore not one of "trying" to be "good" or moral and ethical, or attempting to change and reform that lower nature -- but just staying connected to the Source from which spiritual empowerment and love flow. It is all reckoned as a gift via grace. The believer enters the spiritual sphere of influence or realm of the entity known as Jesus Christ (Himself an aspect of the Godhead, one with God) -- there is a very real power involved, and the scriptures claim that it is above every power on the earth, under the earth, in the heavenly regions (the various suble dimensions and planes of reality), in the universe, etc.

When this power begins to operate in an individual, his spiritual faculties begin to open and become activated -- the modus operendi being a specific act of inner regeneration from God. It is then that He is said to be joined to the Godhead via intimate union with Jesus Christ, the only Mediator between God and man. Christ´s perfect righteosuness/nature is then IMPUTED to the newly-born child of God in a legal and symbolic way. This symbolic imputation is important because it represent how God perceives His child in eternity -- after all, there is no "time" in the higher realms as we know it; the Work of Christ is said to be FINISHED, and the ultimate and eternal status of the regenerated son is guaranteed and eternally secure.

The Christian walk is then underpinned and motivated by a sure confidence, and involves "growing up" into the imputed reality by yielding to the Spirit in such a way that practical results and spiritual "fruit" (love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, wisdom, temperance, etc.) are manifested and IMPARTED. So two aspects are involved: righteosness is IMPUTED symbolically, and then IMPARTED realisitcally.

So the Christian is not "trying" to become "good" in that sense, or to "change" -- rather He is associated with the awesome power of Christ in an invisible yet very real way, and living out of a NEW NATURE that empowers him. Ultimately he will be glorified in an eternal light-body with Christ, and co-heir with Him of all things, universally -- for a life of purpose, power, and love ... not just "rollin´ round heaven all day" playing the top ten spiritual hits and comparing wings.

All of the above is a preface to stating that the genuine Christian finds every aspect of his regeneration, new life, provision and power through Jesus Christ -- and it´s all a free gift of grace. Men have no more to do with true spiritual rebirth than they do with their physical birth -- their parents were the agents, when they were nothing more a spark in dad´s eye. God compares Himself to a parent; and we are His sons, in a very literal sense.

So from a Christian perspective, God doesn´t view it as whether you are a "good person in reality" via your own efforts to reform, change, "build character," etc. He views you as a new creation, joined with Christ in eternal mystical union by means of which the new nature will flourish and bear fruit, and the old nature will wither and ultimately be exterminated at the time of the death of the physical body, with which the old nature is associated. It is a Finished Work in eternity -- though perhaps not from temporal eyes. Yes, there is a symbolic aspect to part of it -- but that symbolism and imputation merely reflects a higher, eternal, unseen REALITY based on an inner connection with Christ which will never be severed.

Here is a description a friend wrote, that I consider is done with both knowledge and eloquence, andIMO gives a worthy representation of what genuine christianity consists of.

if you are inconsistent w/ the teachings of Christ, you are obviously not representing Christianity.

Well- now that the raving lunatics are gone, perhaps we can continue having a civilized conversation?