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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 11:44:30 AM |
You have the right to be offened as i have the right to offend and if you look to be offended you will find something to offend you.
Wow I never even intended on posting in this thread because I could care less either way. now that you have my opinion on the tpic at hand. This quote is probably the definition of what I believe our four fathers had in mind when the constitution was written. You want to talk about pimping and exploitation? Lets talk about our lawmakers and constitution breakers.
Should prostitution be legal? Constitutionaly speaking yes, as long as no one is forced to use or be a prostitute.
I love the opportunity to share my opinion of this matter. Do not slander me if you don't agree, just make your point of view known in an intelligent manner and you'll get more flys so to speak. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 11:45:59 AM | I guess I was a bit passionate in my response. I didn't check my spelling. Sorry 'bout that. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 12:00:04 PM | "Mr. Phoenix" has some good points. Here's some counterpoints....
Moral issue: (From other sources,) It appears that many people don't have an objection when the person prostituting themselves is unknown to them. However, their answer often changes when it is someone that they know - a wife, daughter, sister, or mother (not intending to be sexist - but 95%+ of those in the occupation are female). My point: If you can't stand by and have someone close to you engage in the profession, you're really against it even if you find it acceptable for strangers.
Disease: There are about 428 STD's. There are about 5 for which even a latex barrier won't prevent transmission. Ask the CDC. Granted, we as members of the public usually only know about the 10 most common ones, .... Additionally, I've noted that there seem to be many in the profession that don't even see the need for protection during oral - and a few who will even charge a different rate for uncovered oral performed on a male. Gonnorhea (AKA "the clap"; for example) can equally live in the throat. I'd like to hear your comment about those who are infected, know so, and intentionally try to infect others? That's why solicitation while HIV+ was felonized in California (regardless of protection to be used). | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 12:48:26 PM | I think it should be legal. Most sexual interaction between men and women is thinly disguised trading of sex (or the promise, or the possibility, or the illusion of sex). Few people raise an eyebrow if a man dates a woman for a few weeks spending anywhere from $100 to ??? Yet for some reason handling things as a simple business transaction causes an uproar.
I notice that most of the posts here refer to brothels and the costs involved. Like any other industry if you streamline the infrastucture, and administrative costs by seeking out independent contractors, cost drop. Why not simply license streetwalkers. A current, valid license would indicate that medical records are current and clean and that the provider is of legal age. Complaints could be submmitted to the licensing board (cutting down on rip-offs). Cities could post legal zones (strolls) so the mr/mrs morality police wouldn't scream about little johnny asking about "that lady on the corner". Any industrial park after hours would make a fine stroll, patrolled by the cops to protect all concerned and keep the bushes clear of those unwilling to shell out the extra $10 for an hour at the local notel.
As for marriage, I don't know what the effects would be, but I suspect they'ed be minimal. Those who are going to seek sex outside the home always do/always have/always will. This measure would cut down on the use of sex as a power tool in relationships. If you can't threaten to withhold sex the control your partner, maybe you'll just have to really do all that shit about communicating openly and honestly both ways, as true equals, not a mistress/slave relationship.
ok, nuff said.
who's next? | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 3:42:16 PM | COLOMA;
APPARENTLY YOU DON'T DATE MUCH...:) AS FOR PROSTITUTION....LEGALIZE IT, THEN TAX IT. IF ENOUGH OF THE GUYS GO, AND POLITICANS BECOME HONORABLE, MAYBE YOU'LL GET A TAX BREAK:)
HAVING WORKED AS A TRANSLATOR IN A WHORE HOUSE IN SPAIN BACK IN THE 60'S I CAN ASSURE YOU THESE GIRLS DIDN'T GROW UP WANTING TO BE WHAT THEY BECAME. IN MOST CASES IT WAS OF NECESSITY. ALL OF THOSE THAT I KNEW WERE WONDERFUL PEOPLE, MADE GREAT MOTHERS, AND REALLY CARED ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN...MORE THAN WHAT I NOW SEE WITH YOUNG MOTHERS WHO ARE DIVORCED, WORKING BUT STILL WANT TO PARTY. MAYBE YOU SHOULD WALK ON THE DARK SIDE FOR A WHILE AND WHEN YOU COME OUT INTO THE LIGHT YOU WILL SMILE, AND ALL WILL BE MUCH CLEARER AND YOU CAN GO TO A BAWDY HOUSE AND RENT A GUY...IT MIGHT DO YOU GOOD | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 4:32:30 PM | I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with market recognizable social transactions (even if in the form of money for sex). It usually depends on the marketing.
Having simpler and safer outlets for recreational sex can probably have a positive impact on behavioral issues. How many guys would exhibit sex starved jerkiness if they could simply pay for sex at a local sex shop?
I am not sure the US has any authority to prohibit market recognizable social transactions between private individuals (per the Ninth Amendment (9A)). The unconstitutional prohibition on drugs is a good point. The authority to prohibit the manufacture and sale of a powerful, mood altering drug, was repealed by the 21A. In my view, there is no moral or ethical difference between a private individual who engages in prostitution, and a legislative body that engages in unconstitutional legislation.
In any case, I think it should be up to the populace of the local municipality to vote on whether prostitution should be legal in that locality. It should not be up to the state or the interstate to determine those issues. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 6:10:48 PM | Yes Americans have issues with sex. I would say that they had issues wiht sex. the current generation does not have much of a hangup on sex in my opinion.
Just because legalized prostitution will make people more tolerant is not a reason to make it legal. Prostitutes and pimps hurt people and hurt families. Prostitution is like gambling in that it can lead to addiction and it can destroy lives.
Women that have prostituted themselves have difficulty assimilating to regular jobs and relationships. People that live in a world of prostitution can rationalize it is ok to sleep with someone for money, right? What if that someone naively falls in love? Should we make it a world were people that fall in love are always losers? Sorry, my issues with my divorce are distracting me.
Is more meaningless sex and more people that enjoy meaningless sex the way to make our culture better? No.
My argument here is not given any weight. Our culture is one that applauds the use fo sex everywhere for selling everything. Corporate America will likely run sex like fast food someday.
Soylent Green is people! | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 7:36:40 PM | antichromeday -
Just because legalized prostitution will make people more tolerant is not a reason to make it legal. Prostitutes and pimps hurt people and hurt families. Prostitution is like gambling in that it can lead to addiction and it can destroy lives.
Women that have prostituted themselves have difficulty assimilating to regular jobs and relationships. People that live in a world of prostitution can rationalize it is ok to sleep with someone for money, right? What if that someone naively falls in love? Should we make it a world were people that fall in love are always losers? Sorry, my issues with my divorce are distracting me.
Is more meaningless sex and more people that enjoy meaningless sex the way to make our culture better? No.
My argument here is not given any weight. Our culture is one that applauds the use fo sex everywhere for selling everything. Corporate America will likely run sex like fast food someday.
I would argue that if prostitution allows people to be more tolerant, then there is less justification for it being illegal. People get hurt all the time. Do you advocate a nanny state or personal bubbles so that people won't get hurt? If a social transaction involves willing market participants, isn't that what individual liberty is about?
I think women only have problems because of a lack of tolerance. The same could be said of men if we have to be two-faced lying sacks of shit to get sex. Doesn't engaging in that sort of behavior and having that sort of reputation affect our personal lives also?
I am not sure that it is the quantity of meaningless sex that is the issue, if we are not required to have sex. In other words, no department of social services, social worker is contacting me to ensure I have met my sex quota in order to better ensure the domestic tranquility. I think it is the opportunity cost, that includes human sexuality, that we may be missing if do not allow for adequate expression ourselves, through physical intimacy. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/5/2007 8:16:34 PM | Should it be legal?
Only if........
A prostitute must be credited with a state board.
STD tests must be passed and certification carried on one's person.
Federally taxed revenue.
Its a qeustion of the lesser of two evils....would you rather have legalized, regulated, and monitored hookers or hookers running around breaking the law and spreading disease?
Of course there are problems that go with the vice of prostitution, but it isn't called "The worlds oldest profession" for nothing. Men and women will pay for sex....thats part of our species. Better to have SOME control over it than to let it go the way it currently is.
Oh, and to all you naive little people that are yammering about the spiritual implications.....PLEASE take a look at the world around you for about 10 minutes. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 12:00:48 AM |
Prostitutes and pimps hurt people and hurt families. Prostitution is like gambling in that it can lead to addiction and it can destroy lives.
Women that have prostituted themselves have difficulty assimilating to regular jobs and relationships. People that live in a world of prostitution can rationalize it is ok to sleep with someone for money, right?
Is more meaningless sex and more people that enjoy meaningless sex the way to make our culture better? No.
My argument here is not given any weight. Our culture is one that applauds the use fo sex everywhere for selling everything. Corporate America will likely run sex like fast food someday.
I don't see where prostitutes hurt anyone directly. It's the clients who hurt their families when they use prostitutes to avoid facing their problems.
Pimps do hurt people, most notably the prostitutes they "work." If prostitution were legalized then pimps would have to find real jobs because the cops would protect the personal and property rights of the prostitutes.
Your argument carries some weight. However, the argument for harm reduction does too. People are going to do things like that whether it is legal or not, so what is the strategy that will minimize the harm overall? Legalizing and regulating the commerce in alcohol proved to be a better strategy at mitigating the harmful effects than prohibition. What's so different about testosterone?
I know that there are harmful psychological and emotional effects that stem from paying for sex, especially in a culture that views sex with disdain and sees its only value as a sales tool. Talk about criminal!
However, if it's a choice between running sex like a vice or running it like fast food, we might be better off with fast food. My preference, of course, would be a home-cooked meal prepared with love. But that isn't always available and why should we force hungry people to go to criminals just because they aren't being taken care of to their satisfaction at home?
There is so much stinginess in our culture as it is that it's hard to believe. We plant millions of trees that bear no fruit because we can't stand the thought of someone else picking it. We spend millions of gallons of water on grass that produces nothing except mulch, if that. We absolutely will not share tools or equipment, so that on any given block there are 17 redundant lawn mowers and so on. And, we don't even think of banding together with our neighbors to make sure that the neighborhood kids are looked after.
Any law that makes it harder for people to escape feeling deprived is suspect in my view. Why do we go to so much trouble to make things harder for one another?
All the best,
Robert | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 4:02:37 AM | It's a double-edged sword...
if it were legal, yes the benefits you've touched upon would be inherent, however...
if it were legal, it could also be argued that an entirely new set of problems would arise...
instead of people on websites looking for a quick one - you could end up with providers suckering people in that way...
not to mention the legal and regulatory implications - how and where should they be run? Should they need a license? Testing? Taxes or part of wages? Who determines the scale?
What about the partners that don't want their significant other to 'go down to the brothel around the corner"?
There are no easy answers... it would make the quality of life better for some people in the industry, no doubt, but it could also make it a lot worse...
I liked what someone said - people use people... whether it be a person using a prostitute for gratification, a prostitute using the person for money, or a pimp or madam using the prostitute to pay their way... not the only scenario...
How could it be legalized and done well? | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 6:19:48 AM |
A prostitute must be credited with a state board.
STD tests must be passed and certification carried on one's person.
Federally taxed revenue.
Oh yes, let's get the government involved...
Sex tax!
Licensed, bonded and insured!
Most certainly there would be no forgeries... stolen identities and fraud... lawsuits... insurance rates skyrocketing...
and you won't mind paying 10times as much to get "government controlled sex"
Marriages will be saved, and our youth will have a new career opportunity!
cum-bah-yah.... | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 6:42:07 AM | LowN Sleazy... I looked at your profile
I am NOT interested in talking to a woman who compulsively criticizes, is negative about living, is inclined to make a man feel small, or is just looking for a man to support her.
I am wondering if you are really just afraid of women because of your past relationship(s). People do not include this type of statement unless they have experienced it first hand and are trying to avoid repeating a mistake.
No one can make you feel small. You do that on your own.
Instead of asking the reader (those big bad women) to stay away from you, realize your own strength and know that you can just walk away.
Instead of asking the government to provide you with no-risk sex, take responsibility for yourself.
Maybe invest in some therapy instead of paying for prostitutes. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 7:54:04 AM | | Hooking is a business....people ARE going to invest in that business. It SHOULD be taxed and regulated just like any other business. Give me a logical reason that it shouldn't. Please.....I'm listening. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 9:02:56 AM |
Hooking is a business...Give me a logical reason that it shouldn't.
So is drug dealing and child pornography... and they are all connected.
Many prostitutes are addicted to illegal substances and were more than likely abused as children.
People who feel a desire to profit from others misfortune... should just become injury lawyers. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 10:37:27 AM |
In this day an age of incurable STDs, then again they had those in the past too, the kind of promiscuity implied by prostitution is almost a death sentance.
Why can't men just get a girlfriend to satisfy them?
Michael | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 11:54:12 AM | After putting much thought into this subject a couple of years ago, I recommend we borrow from the ancient Greek culture that offers physical healing often with a donation to a patron god or goddess. In this way, those drawn to the profession are revered as the saints they are, and the government would not get itself involved in policing morality and creating hypocrisy through the greed for any income from such activites.
I am assuming the best of all worlds when it comes to the health and welfare of those involved in the sect, but I am an idealist at heart.
Unfortunately, in the state of California, prostitution is a crime. And no church, however tax-protected, can knowingly break the law through its practice of beliefs. If this were not the case, I would have put my plan into action. If there is anyone in Nevada who is interested in my conclusions, or if you just want to discuss this in more detail, feel free to contact me. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 5:17:55 PM | Drugs should be federally taxed and regulated as well....child porn isn't as much of a business as prostitution and narcotics....at least not on the same scale when it comes to revenue and how widespread it is. Either way, you are operating from a differnet standpoint (IE the one where you expect other people to be morally responsible) than I am.
People will buy sex.
People will buy a high.
Thats been proven throughout history. If you try to deny the fact that humanity seeks pleasure from intercourse or narcotics (including booze) then you are deluding yourself. Better to have some form of control over the activities than to let them run wild. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 7:01:26 PM | Why can't men just get a girlfriend to satisfy them?
Oh, this is lovely. Is that all they are here for? Satisfying you? I know this is hard to believe, but we are humans too, with thoughts and feelings, hopes, dreams and aspirations. We are not walking vaginas with eyes.
Women DO use men's high sex drive against them and often have them buy the woman drinks in the oh-so-often-futile hope that the woman would go home with them for the night. Prostitution would alleviate men being taken for fools in that venue. Oh, I am so sick of hearing this crapola. All of us women just have nothing better to do than control men by limiting their access to sex. Hint: we can't use something against you if you don't let us. What exactly is wrong with your hands? Are they just painted on? Last time I checked, "getting some" was not a god given human right. You are not going to die if you do not get any, so just stop whining about it, buy some Jergen's Lotion and knock yourself out. Oh yeah, and we can buy our own drinks.
I don't see where prostitutes hurt anyone directly. It's the clients who hurt their families when they use prostitutes to avoid facing their problems.
It is the clients that hurt their families and it is not the government's job to monitor this. I am not so sure that the actual act of prostituting yourself would not hurt your own soul eventually, but that is not the government's job to control either.
This leads me to the inevitable discussion about STD's. Is it really the government's job to make sure you don't catch one when you feel the need for a quick orgasm with little to no responsibility? Hey, don't get me wrong, I am all over the taxing of the underground income issue, but hey, caveat emptor. If you want to fork over a $20 for risky sex downtown, why is it the government's responsibility to make sure you don't come home to your wife with a dose of clap?
In other threads there is a lot of discussion about how non-smokers don't want to pay for medical treatment for smokers. How thin people don't feel they should have to absorb medical costs for those who choose not to control their weight. This is no different than that discussion. Why should my tax dollars go to make sure that some guy can get his rocks off free of disease? For some reason I can't force myself to care if you are not getting any. It's not my problem. If you want Libertarian principles of freedom then you have to go the distance and carry them to the enth degree. None of that nanny state regulation. If you are going to do this, just decriminalize it and let personal responsibility take it's course.
After 30 years of legalized prostitution in Sweden, in 1999 they criminalized it. Sweden's prostitution legislation was passed as part and parcel of the country's 1999 omnibus violence against women legislation. The argued that what they originally sought to do by legalizing it, did not work. Law enforcement was inadequate. "In Sweden prostitution is regarded as an aspect of male violence against women and children. It is officially acknowledged as a form of exploitation of women and children and constitutes a significant social problem... gender equality will remain unattainable so long as men buy, sell and exploit women and children by prostituting them." In addition they allocated funds for public education about the violence and social service funds designed to help women get out of the profession. This strategy treats prostitution as a form of violence against women in which the men who exploit by buying sex are the criminals and the mostly female prostitutes are treated as victims who need help. Then the public is educated in order to counteract the historical male bias that has long colored the thinking on prostitution. Obviously fixing this cost them a lot of money. Is this really what you want? | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 7:51:06 PM | Why can't men just get a girlfriend
Look at my picture and maybe you'll figure out the answer getting a girlfriend. For that matter if finding a girlfriend is oh so easy, why are you here looking for one?
to satisfy them?
Oh, please. That sounds like you're just looking for a woman to masturbate into. A friend of mine was married to a guy that thought that way. Notice the past tense?
you guys are desprate
Not as desperate as you might think.
Obviously fixing this cost them a lot of money.
Perhaps fixing the men would have been cheaper?  | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 8:10:43 PM | You said: This leads me to the inevitable discussion about STD's. Is it really the government's job to make sure you don't catch one when you feel the need for a quick orgasm with little to no responsibility? Hey, don't get me wrong, I am all over the taxing of the underground income issue, but hey, caveat emptor. If you want to fork over a $20 for risky sex downtown, why is it the government's responsibility to make sure you don't come home to your wife with a dose of clap?
If it were just a dose of clap that would be one thing but in this day and age it isn't. Too many things out there that have no cure or can kill you. It becomes the governments responsibility eventually because most people don't have insurance that will cover extended aids treatment and the public secter kicks in and ends up paying. Even with the insurance I have there is a limit and extended treatment of say aids, would reach that cap eventually. If the government has to pay eventually, I believe they have an obligation to the rest of us that ultimately foot the bill to try and prevent the occurance or at least let the ones who do it pay some of the bill.
As for the subject of testing of prostitues for diseases, how would that work? Some do customer after customer and who knows whether the person that she serviced just before you was safe or not. Exposure to something, after you had a test, does not preclude your catching and passing it on to an innocent person...and most men aren't going home and telling their innocent wife/girlfriend " Oh, by the way, I had sex with a hooker at lunch this afternoon". | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 1/6/2007 8:24:36 PM | If it were just a dose of clap that would be one thing but in this day and age it isn't. Too many things out there that have no cure or can kill you. It becomes the governments responsibility eventually because most people don't have insurance that will cover extended aids treatment and the public secter kicks in and ends up paying. Even with the insurance I have there is a limit and extended treatment of say aids, would reach that cap eventually. If the government has to pay eventually, I believe they have an obligation to the rest of us that ultimately foot the bill to try and prevent the occurance or at least let the ones who do it pay some of the bill.
Regardless of the disease in question, it's still your responsibility to make sure you hire a prostitute that has a health certification and use precautions. For some reason this whole personal responsibility thing is hard for some people to grasp. If you don't want to become HIV positive or get AIDS, it's up to you to use the precautions or masturbate. Your body, your choice, your life, and your are responsible for the life of your significant other when you put it at risk to commit a selfish act.
As for the subject of testing of prostitues for diseases, how would that work? Some do customer after customer and who knows whether the person that she serviced just before you was safe or not. Exposure to something, after you had a test, does not preclude your catching and passing it on to an innocent person...and most men aren't going home and telling their innocent wife/girlfriend " Oh, by the way, I had sex with a hooker at lunch this afternoon".
I am just wondering why a man would want to have sex with a hooker during their lunch hour if they had a wife or a girlfriend? I mean... unless they were dishonorable, lying, cheating, moral degenerates with no sense of right or wrong...
For the record, in countries where prostitution is legal, the prostitutes are only tested weekly, the same rules apply there. If you are using that model as an example, it's got the same flaws. | |
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