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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 8:56:57 PM | Health certificates mean nothing...they are only as good as the blood drawn at time of testing and are of no value with the next customer. I do agree that a person should take precautions but we both know a lot don't......even with all the information out there. Of course its a matter of personal responsibility but that doesn't change the fact that under our current system, the public pays the medical bills in the long run. And since when has someone that wants to cheat given a rats behind about their spouse? The spouse's are usually totally in the dark about their spouces sexual habits.
As for cheaters, they have no sense of right or wrong......they are self-centered, arrogant jerks that have a real "I" problem and will only consider their own pleasures and wants. If they cared about their S/O, they wouldn't go there.
And you misseed my point......testing does nothing to insure unless one were to have the test taken and completed right before sex were to take place and that would require both parties be tested to insure safety and even that won't work for aids........and it is not going to happen. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 9:01:50 PM |
'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'
By Clare Chapman Last Updated: 12:23am GMT 30/01/2005
A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.
Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.
The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe. advertisement
She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.
Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/30/ixworld.html
TESTING:
When Should I Be Tested? After a possible HIV exposure: An HIV test will not detect the presence of the HIV virus immediately after exposure. Statistics show that 96% (perhaps higher) of all infected individuals will test positive within 2 to 12 weeks. In some cases, this may take up to six months.
Think about this: if you got a negative test at six weeks, would you believe it? Would it make you less anxious? If so, go for it. But to be certain, you will need to be tested again at six months. more from San Francisco AIDS Foundation Periodic Testing:
* Many people continue to engage in some degree of risky behavior, and choose to be tested for HIV periodically (every six months, every year, or every other year.)
Since the window period for developing a positive test result can be as long as six months, it would rarely make sense to be tested more often than this.
There are clear benefits to early medical attention for infection with the HIV virus. There is little agreement on how early this must be. But if you wait longer than two years, treatment of the disease may be less effective.
* If you are beyond the six month window period from a possible HIV transmission event and were reported HIV negative by an accurate HIV test (and you are not subsequently put at risk for HIV), you can consider yourself HIV negative. There is no need to retest. However if it eases your anxiety, you may wish to take the test again periodically.
http://www.aids.org/info/testing.html#when
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 9:32:43 PM |
instead of people on websites looking for a quick one - you could end up with providers suckering people in that way...
...You mean like on craigslist? (it's not just the prostitution; there are plenty of other things going on there - general fraud, drug-dealing, etc....) | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? End Posted: 1/6/2007 9:39:05 PM | Mr. Ender #70 says
<div class="quote">People will buy sex. People will buy a high.
Thats been proven throughout history. ...Better to have some form of control over the activities than to let them run wild.
This is why it is ILLEGAL.
They get caught, put in jail and THEN can get all the free sex they want...
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 9:51:30 PM | Thanks for posting the first article wooby!
And here poor fzrhusker thought that information was limited to the Christian Science Monitor. He will be crushed.
Also he might be interested to know that ABC News was under the mistaken idea as well that Germany legalized Prostitution in 2003. http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=1839287&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Oh, and USAToday: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/worldcup/2006-04-13-fifa-prostitution_x.htm
Also notorious conservative sources.
The World Cup came close to boycotting Germany because of it's sex trade, due to the problem in forced prostitution. Spiegel is a German magazine incidentally. I included the link in English, just in case... http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,404955,00.html
Apparently forced prostitution is a big problem in Germany now... "She describes a typical story from the Ban Ying shelter: A woman from Ukraine, a teacher by profession, needed to buy expensive medication for her son. Short of money, she borrowed from a neighbour in exchange for working for a few months as a babysitter in Germany.
Once across the border she was forced into prostitution. Her captors used violence and blackmail to keep her in the sex trade, threatening her that photographs of her as a prostitute would be sent to her family if she tried to escape."
Wow, sounds like the ideal situation, we need more of that here! http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33590
Incidentally, just in case you were not aware, it's not a "bordeau" that is a wine which is actually spelled bordeaux, Auf Deutsch ist es ein bordell. Während Sie dort ich waren, schätzen Sie, daß Sie nicht Deutsches erlernten. Ich es tat.
I sure won't argue the use of tampons with a woman. Are you saying you have used a lot of prostitution services in the past while you were there?
I was engaged to a German woman Apparently she was not putting out.
You should not make assumptions about where someone has been in their life or what they are thinking if you do not know them. And what took place in 1995 when you left, may not be the same there today. That is over ten years ago.
For now I shall return to talking out of my hindend (sic) about things I have no firsthand knowledge about. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 9:57:25 PM |
Are you saying you have used a lot of prostitution services in the past while you were there?
Sounded more like he'd been using a lot of tampons. But that's a mental picture I really need to fade to black. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 10:07:05 PM |
Guys, how much would you spend on drinks to get laid in a nightclub with the chance you are waisting (sic) your money. Take the money and get rid of the issue before you go out. Never go out with a loaded gun, your brain don't (sic) work right.
Boy, I know when I date a guy I am hoping he just got back from the brothel... that is just so sexy. Just think, he had so much respect for me that he went out to have sex with a whore, before our date. Makes it that much more special. Why, I think he might be Mr. Right! | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 11:29:51 PM | Whatever, you all suck. You are sitting here trying to examine the morale implications of the legaliztion of prostitution. Bottom line is that if you HONESTLY feel that its better for society to embrace the legalization of hooking, dealing, and all the other basic vices of humanity you are admiting that we are inherently flawed.....
Heh, who cares anyway. Its only the moral elite that try and yammer anything else. Cheers, I'm goingto consumse retarded amounts of rum and yell and my computer screen now. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/6/2007 11:34:14 PM | moral elite? what the hell are you talking about?
Prostitution is one of the oldest trades in human history (if not the oldest)...
The reason it's being debated is because some cultures can handle it, and others can't.
Respectively, that's modern Eastern, and modern Western cultures. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 12:33:15 AM | I think you need to learn how to read the entire thread before you post............
Oh wait. You're just some silly 18 year old that likes to think they are "intellectual" and post some stupid crap on a website. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 12:39:43 AM | You call young girls being sold into prostitution by their familes, handling it? You call the Japanese taking young women from China and Korea to be comfort women, handling it? You call holding children for prostitution for western tourists, handling it? Trafficking in human lives? I don't think so.
Just because they have been doing it for a long time, does not mean they are doing it right. For some bizarre reason some people just think if it is eastern, it must be sooo much better than here. It does not make it nobler because it is eastern. Most Asian countries have a long way to go with regards to any sort of rights for women and children at all.
What prostitution boils down to, is exploitation of women and children for money and power. If you want to discuss using men's sexual desires against them, this fits the bill. Do not fool yourself into thinking the majority of the monies earned by the women and children in Asian countries for sex work ever makes it to their pockets. It comes from horny men into the pockets of people who seek to exploit women and children.
In India, 2% of the population has AIDS. Doesn't sound like much? The population of India is 1,095,351,995, that makes 21,907,040 people with AIDS in India alone. The bulk of this comes through sex workers.
From the UN High Commission for Human Rights:
UNAIDS reports that, at the end of 2001, an estimated 40 million people globally were living with HIV. In many parts of the developing world, the majority of new infections occurred in young adults, with young women being especially vulnerable. About one third of those currently living with HIV/AIDS are aged 15-24, most of them are unaware that they carry the virus.
The link between prostitution and the increased risk of contracting HIV/AIDS is now well established and well recognized - even in those countries for which any discussion of sexual activity has traditionally been taboo. UNAIDS reports that significantly higher rates of HIV infection have been documented among sex workers and their clients as compared to most other population groups within a country. However, when children are involved, many myths persist - both as to the child’s susceptibility to the virus and as well as to that of his or her abuser. It should be noted that the Special Rapporteur does not use the term “sex workers” in the context of children involved in prostitution.
In the years since the discovery of the HIV/AIDS virus, the demand for increasingly younger children for purposes of prostitution has continued to grow. Their abusers are no longer only paedophiles (persons, according to a dictionary definition, who feel sexual attraction towards children), but also individuals who believe that sex with younger partners is a safer option. They believe that younger people are less likely to have the virus as they have had fewer sexual partners, and some reports allege the persistence of myths in certain cultures that sex with a virgin or with a child will actually cure HIV/AIDS infection in the older partner. http://www.ohchr.org/english/issues/children/rapporteur/hiv.htm
Oh yeah, those eastern cultures are handling prostitution really well. We should do it just like that! | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 12:53:14 AM | I call history the justification of "cultural morality".....because how the hell can we get on our high horse based on a moral ideoligy that has AT MOST at 200 year history?
Do I PERSONALLY think that prositution is morally ****ed? Yeah.
Do I understand that this "business" will flourish as long as humanity does? Yeah
FFS, all the yammering and moral pandering that you guys keep spitting out is completely subgective based on your PERSONAL experiences and PERSONAL ideal of what culture should be. Open those teeny little boxes just a tad. Just because YOU think that something is morally ****ed doesn't mean that it isn't a staple of the human experience. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 1:08:05 AM | Hey Ender, if you don't like the thread, you do not have to read it, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read it. The moral ideology you say is only 200 years old is actually much older, with regards to the development of western civilization.
I have purposefully argued both sides in this thread. I recognize that there are advantages and disadvantages and nothing will stop it. I have presented the models that exist in reality, vs. some pie in the sky version that gets some guy a $20 BJ on demand.
Where prostitution leaves the arena of consenting women who are adults and hits young girls and children or people who are forced, I have to draw a moral line somewhere.
If the question presented is "Should prostitution be legal?" then we are bound in answering to present both sides of the argument. If you do not like the arguments presented, then give us one that is more intelligent and better thought out, instead of whining about how you are sick of it. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 1:18:54 AM | While I loved Ender's Game I don't think I much like this ender and the game he's playing tonight. But given what night of the week it is and the time of day (including his timezone) I'll take bets that he's PWI. And I just love how a a mid-twenty-somethin' rags on an 18 year old as though his 8 or so years have imparted great wisdom. Once again I find myself thinking of the word "cornhobble" and how apt it can be.
<div class="quote">I recognize that there are advantages and disadvantages and nothing will stop it.
That's one of the things I really like about you.
<div class="quote">instead of whining about how you are sick of it
Is whining ever pretty? I can't think of any situation where it could be. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 3:40:33 AM | yawn yawn yawn.......
I yammer about whatever catches my fancy......whether its on this site or some other site. To be honest EVERY time I sign on here I see a bunch of people trying to be morally superior..
the vast majority of the time I agree with the crap that Momatittytrix spews..... Oh sorry, didn't mean to call notice to those gigantic sweater puppies you are so proud of, but I also feel obligated to point out the inherent BS that you people feed each other.
Bottom line......folks like to tear each other down without ANY logical basis for it. If you want to try and hang me on a cross for pointing that out based SOLEY on my age.....well then break out the rogaine and the botox. Knock yourself out killer.....I have all the time in the world. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 4:31:19 AM |
^^^...I see a bunch of people trying to be morally superior..
and you, Ender, do a superb job of being immorally inferior.
You people suck!
...but only if you pay, remember?
...tear each other down without any logical basis...based SOLEY on my age.....
if you're gonna be a geritol groupie, gotta watch for the canes, sonny.
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 5:25:57 AM | | No. Why try to make immorality moral? Why support such personal self gratification? It is never right and legalising will not alter that. It will always be sexual abuse no matter what. As for testing. Why need it? Practise what you know is right morally, both ways, and that takes the need out of the equation | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 10:10:25 AM | slowneasy~
prostitution should not be legal. it causes a lot of pain for a lot of people. and frequenting a prostitute while married, or in a LTR IS cheating by the way... even though some people don't think so...
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 12:08:49 PM | | I am also against any kind of forced entry of any woman (0r man) into prostitution, but let's face it, in many third world countries, and even in Mexico, women can't earn a decent living working decent jobs unless they have a high degree of education which is not always accessible to them because of obvious socio-economic depravations they suffer from! A woman in Tijuana can only earn about $12 to $14 dollars a day working in a Maquiladora or branch plant factory as a day laborer, while even a streetwalker earns at least $20 dollars for a 20 to 30 minute trick or protected intercouse and fellatio with a client! A bar or brothel girl can earn from $40 to $80 dollars for a half hour's sex work with each client, not to mention the cuts they get on each drink their client consumes in the bar or cantina! Do the math and it is not hard to understand why a chica becomes a puta, not because she is an evil, degenerate, or totally immoral woman, but because she needs to support her children who are totally dependent on her since their father abandoned them in search for another stupid conquest! Prostitution is a very common way for some women to get out of grinding poverty by allowing men to grind on them, sad to say! But society needs to pay women and men much higher wages in these countries in order to lessen the enticement to pursue that road to perdition! It is not all their fault for sure! I guess it is just a part of exploitation in most societies where women are not given their equal status that they richly deserve!Legalization of prostitution here, however, would have to come with health inspection safeguards, protection of women from forced entry into the profession, and a de-criminalization of both the prostitutes and their johns as part of the process. Also they should put the pimps out of business as they are mere parasites and contribute NOTHING but suck off the profits of the sexworkers labor! Perhaps an EROS CENTER should be established where free-lance women sex-workers could perform their profession in safety without the predatory pimps and other genuinely criminal elements becoming involved! Taxing the industry should also be involved because it is a revenue or income source like any other! Just add the 8% tax to the service cost for the john like any other merchandise transaction! This money can be used to establish public health clinics that control the spread of STDs for both the prostiitutes and the johns WITHOUT stigmatization or ruining their reputations by publicizing their names in newspapers as do several police forces in the suburbs currently! There would be no illegal confiscation of Johns' cars or other forms of legalized robbery either!! Safety is the key issue here, not revenue enhancement for Puritan bigots with hidden sexual frustration agendas trying to force their morality concepts on other citizens! | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 1:41:46 PM | My mention of modern culture was certainly misplaced, I see.
However, in ages past, there have been rather better degrees of treatment, even if prostitution was a forced trade.
Rome is an excellent example of why prostitution is a tough thing to understand. Not only was it commonplace and brutal, but some places were also rather nice compared to even the best brothels today.
Even so, where do I stand on the issue?
The day prostitution is globally illegalized will be the day that pigs fly... but what a good day it will be.
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 1:56:20 PM | | The numbers speak for themselves. In neighborhoods where there are brothels, there are lower divorce rates. A sad, rather ugly insight into human behaviour. Good to have a grasp on those things when trying to embark on something like dating though. For the most part, although we have come a long way, we're just animals... | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 4:25:20 PM |
In neighborhoods where there are brothels, there are lower divorce rates.
Oh, really? Where did these "numbers" come from? I'm not saying you aren't right. But if you are going to make such a claim, some kind of citation would be nice. Taking someone's word for such a claim on an emotional issue like this isn't what I'd call wise. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal? Posted: 1/7/2007 4:26:03 PM | | I agree that if there is agreement between the two that visiting a prostitute is outside the boundaries of the relationship then it is cheating. | |
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