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Posted: 3/10/2007 9:15:06 PM | im still trying to work out why the eastern states needs daylight savings
theyre already ahead of everyone, excpet new zealand, why do they need to be ahead more? | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 12:56:43 AM | i think it is, and always was pointless.
some people argue that it gives you more daylight... ummmm yeah, like how?
she earth sure dosnt take an hour longer to rotate oneday than the day before, (and then just as fest, slow done again months later).
it is all a waste of time | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 4:13:51 AM | RE: Post 21 Quote""" If DS was set for one hour later in winter that would require the populace to toil, travel and whatever in two hours of darkness in the evenings ."""
WND if we had DS in winter it wouldn't mean more darkness of an evening, but less...as in more daylight in the afternoon, the same purpose it currently serves in summer in the states who adopt it. The clocks go forward, essentially moving the hour backwards, so we get an hour more of daylight after work. As a result I'm not sure I understand your comment there?
Ruby slippers? Nimben? Shouting at the waves? Do these constitute an intentional undercurrent of derision in your tone there WND, or is it merely a coincidence of random and unrelated analogies that all happen to point toward a person who might be considered to live in fantasy land?
But in answer to your question, no, I don't personally know what it is to organise kids in the morning. But I think perhaps you knew the answer to that before you asked the question, given that you had already viewed my profile.
Whilst I leave parenting to those of you far more patient and adept than I at raising the next generation, I don’t suppose any of us know what another’s morning routine necessitates, or what things might prove an organisational challenge at having to get up earlier. For example, I also don’t know how hard it might be for dairy farmers in the morning; the dairy farmers dilemma being one that you previously summarily dismissed as being of little interest to you personally. And fair call, you don’t have cows so that issue doesn’t effect you on a personal level. However your implication seemed to be that I am somehow less than altruistic (as implied through your use of what I found to be condescending and desperately overused homilies about ‘teams’ and embracing different perspectives) for not mentioning the perspective of families, which seems slightly contradictory when your earlier comments disregarded a group of which you are not part, being the farmers. Yes, we each are entitled to our own perspective. In fact this forum is for us to post our own perspectives, which will probably entail many posters using the word I. And I presume here that you’ve heard the standard counter to the old teamwork analogy, being that the letters ‘M’ and “E’ are there. However, grammatical guidelines prevent me from saying ‘me don’t’ want daylight savings’. Any decision made to the broader needs of all of us as a whole will be achieved through referendums and elections, not by any of us posting here.
You have made two statement of fact regarding what families prefer – one being that evenings are better with children, and the second, that morning people are a minority. I wonder if it’s perhaps a bit ambitious of you to consider yourself representative of all families simply as a result of having one yourself? Personally I'm not confident enough in my own knowledge of other people's personal habits to be as definite as you have been. I do know a 40yo single Dad who loves taking his kids for a horse-ride at dawn every morning in summer. He finds it a peaceful time to enjoy nature and bond with his kids before work, and apparently they revel in it. (He doesn't live in or near Nimbin, nor wear ruby slippers…in public anyway.) He's not a fan of the evenings because he's exhausted from manual labour at days end and finds the evening routine much more stressful. It seems obvious that some parents would see it his way, some would see it yours.
Further on families though, I do remember that during the Qld DS trial there was a very loud cry from many parents who were terribly unhappy with the lateness of nightfall that caused kids to not want their dinner and not want to go to bed because it was too light/too hot at the time the clock designated was the right time for these things to happen. In fact my neighbour at that time; a woman who had 4 very young children; was one of them. She was driven mad by the change of the clocks. She couldn't get the kids to go to bed at what was being called 7.30pm by the clocks despite it being full, hot sunshine with 2 hours of the day left. I saw the kids running about in their pj's wanting to play, and her, frazzled, running after them. Because of course the natural waxing and waning of natural daylight hours is quite a different issue to that of the sudden one hour adjustment implemented to deal with it. Many families at that time seemed in vocal agreement with the people upset about the cows in fact.
As for the aforementioned business aspect of DS, I am a business owner, and the lack of daylight savings doesn’t impact in any way on my business. Unlike your families representation, I do not claim to represent the views of all other business owners, but merely wanted to clarify the origin of my own viewpoint on that aspect… as opposed to, perhaps, being dismissed as having come from someone who lives in or near Nimbin, as per your reference.
Still not sure about the concern over holidaymakers. A good holiday to my mind is one where you don't know what day it is,let alone what time it is. Tourism service providers can adjust their hours to suit their market no matter what the clock says, so if a 10 am to 6pm day is what they want, the option is already available to them.
I so hope Brisbane never becomes Vegas. There's already a Vegas.
PS You can order ruby slippers, an exact replica of those Judy Garland wore, online through the relevant Hollywood movie studio. They may not get you back to Kansas, but it’s worth a shot. They have daylight saving in Kansas. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 4:56:51 AM | OHH My. I feel someone has taken my words as to have been directed at them If that be the case I humbly apologise as it was not my intention.
I will say its easy to condemn when one is yet to experience and I do still stand by my view of it being beneficial for more than it hinders.. NSW i believe will vouch for that.
I bid you adiou | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 6:32:11 AM | Yes I took them as directed at me. It was after all a response to my post. I appreciate your apology.
I would hazard a guess that the fact that NSW has it doesn't mean the entire state likes it.
Even the folks in Kansas are still debating over whether they like it according to a blog I saw, all the same points raised as you'll see here on this forum in fact. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 1:45:08 AM | regarding the general question of daylight Savings In W.A.
I am annoyed that this 3 year trial was foisted on us here. We have already said no, 3 times. When it was trailed in the 70,s I had to work outdoors in a fruit orcahard in summer, and study at night school in the evening heat. It was hard to sleep.
The trial was introduced this time as a way to to take the pressure of the govt.. They were getting hammered over dealing with child sex abuse. Perhaps everyone accused of this should be "guilty til proven innocent."
The govt reacted by foisting this trial on to us..
Like the paper said.. 9 TO 5 ers want to knock of work and have a goos sociaL LIFE.
Stuff the shift workers and others..
Was nt flexitime and staggered hours promoted so pple could adjust the own hours individually?
Seems that city workers,office types,control things..
I feel that their are more important things to have a referendum over..
This is a relatively trival issue.. keeps the rabble "amused" instead of dealing with more important things...
I find I consume more with DS.. I won't set the alarm . My curtains are down is summer. I find I take the 'cycle instead of bus to town for my 'expected community work'.. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 2:57:45 AM | still no one has explained to me the purpose of day light savings in the eastern states.
roflmao!!
as for WA. my mother lives there and she loves daylight savings. it means we can call each other at a decent hour. she was mowing her lawns at 8pm the other night there was still a bit of daylight.
having spoken to her tonight about all this she was saying the only ones complaining about daylight savings in WA are the cyclists (becuase its dark when we go riding in the morning boo hoo) and the other athletes that get up at 4am to train.
She is a shift worker and she said going to work at 7pm feels alot safer now because the sun is still out when she goes to work.
She doesnt agree with the 3 year trial but it needs to be voted on. I think the last time WA had a referendum on daylight savings was back in the 80's, so now we have a new generation of people who are able to vote. the ones who will essentially be working during the day light savings period. not the baby boomers who cant get to sleep because the sun is still out at 8pm
roflmao!! | |
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Posted: 3/25/2007 4:25:29 AM | Boo Hoo  daylight savings has ended, makes me sad!
But then hey, I got an extra hours sleep this morning  | |
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Posted: 3/25/2007 11:37:37 PM | | I'm a displaced southerner..... I miss my daylight saving... | |
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Posted: 3/26/2007 1:54:24 AM | No, no, no!!! I have four kids who already get up at 5.30 am every day of the week!
We had it in NZ, but remember it's not as hot there. We would swelter here in Qld. Plus, us busy mums just want to relax after school, not go trapsing around the neighbourhood for an evening walk with all the kids!
I would much prefer it in winter. Maybe we could save on the heating bill.
Carena | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 6:11:51 AM |
it has been tried in qld.. about 15 or so years ago.... i was out of school i remember that much.....goss was in state govt...
i think it lasted 2 years i think.... didnt take.... as the sun was coming up at 3:30am...
had alot to do with the farmers....
i still dont think even though it is going to go to trial again...it will not take.... i know for one... my dear child gets up as soon as sunlight hits his room....so most days in summer he is up at 4:30 before i blacked out his room so he could sleep in a little longer....
so with the fact that the sun is up an hour early at 3:30am... most people dont get to sleep til about midnight... and if having little ones....wont be getting any sleep at all... and with the sunset at 8:30pm.... everyone is going to be grumpy little shits for 3-4months.
^^^^MSG 4...
Queenslanders... it speaks for itself aye | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 6:22:24 AM | | I love daylight saving! It is a good thing because I can get more work done in the day time. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 6:33:24 AM | ^^^^^
I kind of dislike it....it's harder to get the kids to bed they complain and say it's not night time yet | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 6:55:59 AM | | ^^^That is true, but for me, I do like it. I do feel for mothers with this problem. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 7:00:45 AM | If you live in a place where its around 25 c round midnight with humidty above 80% in the summer then why would i need daylight saving?? so i can roast the chooks on the roof an extra hour .......If the sun shines out of somebodies arse does that mean you have put with them an extra hour? | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 7:19:06 AM | | ^^^I guess so. But if the sun shines out of their arse, I would naturally like to spend an extra hour with them. Keep them around for as long as you need them, it is very dark without them. | |
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Posted: 10/1/2008 5:56:27 AM |
she earth sure dosnt take an hour longer to rotate oneday than the day before, (and then just as fest, slow done again months later).
Well said | |
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