| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 7/26/2005 8:44:58 AM | | i think reality is whatever you are willing to admit is real to you.....anything else is just life | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 7/26/2005 9:44:34 AM | | I believe that reality IS life . . .like the birth of a child, each day holds hope and promise for what we mold it into. On the other hand reality is different for each one of us. Perhaps it is our response to outside stimulus as we live each day. Either way . . .a great question . . .thanks for the post Kat. | |
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longte
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Joined: 10/18/2004
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 7/26/2005 10:03:05 AM | SXY Chic 20 ^^^^
Even though the rules are made
Some of us don't reach that grade
We see the world through our sight
Much different to your world of light
But who can say our world is wrong
Because we hear a different song
You keep your reality
Mine is perfect, just for me
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Poetry Forums should have some attempt at poetry?????
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Perhaps that is my reality
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 7/26/2005 11:40:45 AM | Yeaeaeaeh... good poem!
And, also...what is/was Real, present, abiding before, after, and amidst the rising, peaking, dropping, and resting of the ball? What is/was Real, present, abiding before, after, and amidst the birth, growth, aging, and passing of any body?
Sorry---clearly I'm not up on the poetic form...I suppose it's a matter of preference for substance over form and style...
While one might feel an elation
in reading a poem
of lovely meter and alliteration;
Still yet another's heart might fly
in hearing the deepest truth they...uh...er...ummm....scry!!!! (???)  | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 7/27/2005 6:48:00 AM | here's some reality in a poetry form...a friend wrote this one for me
It's not fair
It's been so hard for you
All the fake smiles
All the lost laughter
Who are you fooling
Now I know the truth
And I'll see the lies
You can't hide from me
Please don't try
I'm here to help
Even if I'm late
I'll be here in the future
Ever willing to listen
If you're willing to talk
I'm watching
she wrote it to help me with dpression and it worked is that real enough? | |
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Kat44
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Joined: 9/10/2004
Msg: 32 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/7/2005 8:28:44 PM | Then there are 3 phases of reality to you.
For many there are many more, and locking on one is an individuals specialty. They may have 2, but rarely more than one.
Have you seen "What the Bleep do we know"?
~K* | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/7/2005 9:16:26 PM | Welcome to Western WA and I hope you are enjoying this beautiful area.
Was going to write you directly but got here and have to ask "What the Bleep do we know"?
I think reality is knowing who I am, what I am doing here, getting there and helping others find what they are doing here and help them reach their potential.
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Rake
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Joined: 3/12/2005
Msg: 35 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/8/2005 10:58:51 AM | This is actually a post that I left on another thread but it is how physics defines "reality".
on a large scale (cosmic), our reality is limited to our Universe and everything in it. But this is the same as saying that our reality is limited to what is observable. But what is observable is a distance between any points in space-time as long as neither of those two points are receding from the other at a velocity greater than the speed of light (since our universe is expanding everything is receding away from everything else at a certain speed). Anything beyond that boundary is causally disconnected from us because a light particles (photons) from that region of space can never reach us as it is receding faster than it can travel back to us. This is how light limits our reality on a large scale.
On a small scale (subatomic) the smallest we can observe is the size of a single light particle. This is because in order observe something we need to SEE it. But in order to do so we need to bounce at least 1 photon against it and this diplaces the trajectory and speed of that which is being observed. This is ok if we know by how much so that we can compensate in order to get an exact representation of "reality", but the problem is that physics (Quantum Mechanics) can predict the change in trajectory or it can predict the change in speed but it cannot predict both at the same time. This basic notion means that although reality might be deterministic in an absolute sense our "reality" CAN NEVER BE because we affect it by an undeterminate factor every time we observe it. This is how light limits our reality on a small scale.
Just another version of reality that's all... | |
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Kat44
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Joined: 9/10/2004
Msg: 36 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/8/2005 10:16:02 PM | Well, "What the bleep do we know" Is pretty self explainatory, we really don't know anything. And...acknowledging that is fundamental to discovering reality,really. Have to re-think. Hard to do for most people.
~K* | |
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Rake
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Joined: 3/12/2005
Msg: 37 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/9/2005 5:14:08 AM | "All we are is dust in the wind dude...."
-Ted Logan to Socrates
-Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/9/2005 6:01:13 AM | | Bravo Kat, we may believe, think or have faith in something, but the only thing we know is that we know nothing, everything else is a reaction in your brain, precieved as you will. What you people failed to realize is that the forum topic is rhetorical. Becuase we know nothing, therefore to know what reality is, would mean your are a trancedant being able to trancend other realms, or dimensions. It is my belief that none of us are, but then again what do I know? Pardon my spelling, I was dilexic and still have trouble spelling. | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/9/2005 6:41:03 AM | | yeah but a person can admit that they know nothing and still not be any closer to reality..... | |
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Rake
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Joined: 3/12/2005
Msg: 40 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/9/2005 1:22:33 PM | | it really depends on how you define reality but knowing that you know nothing imo is more about true knowledge than it is about reality....reality is in the eye of the beholder so to speak.....but maybe the two are one and the same? | |
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Kat44
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Joined: 9/10/2004
Msg: 41 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/14/2005 8:10:44 PM | Yep.
Now you know the reality of the reality across the board. (without most of them knowing, of course). True knowledge does not exist. I repeat, "DOES NOT EXIST" because how the hell would we know it, anyways? Are we omnipotent? Can we define our future? past? how about our death.
~K* | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/15/2005 9:19:42 AM | | i think reality is everything to everyone....and anyone who disagrees is living in their reality | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/15/2005 1:01:24 PM | reality drives people insane, it brings them together, pulls them apart and acts as the underlining for the even greater question as to- what is life?.
Reality is essentially the unconscious consciousness that we are all just as insecure as the next. And it is "our" reality that either allows us to understand that or to bypass it and continue to live out our lives without ever actually digging deep into the depths of what reality is to you.
But
intrinsically we all live the same reality. Reality is what we are in our barest form. We are humans, we are living organisms that have to go through the same cycle of life as any other. The difference being that we have sugar coated all of this with one wonderful and consuming word- "life".
Reality isnt waking up in the morning and having eggs and toast for breakfast, in fact reality has nothing to do with our everyday lives. Reality is the mindset that we all subconciously understand exists, but ignore because if we did actually take it into consideration we would run the risk of digging too deep and loosing touch with our own.
But rest assured.
Reality doesnt change, regardless of how deep you dig and how close to the brink of sanity it brings you, it will always take you back to who you were before you ever even began to consider it.
This is where the insecurity comes in though, and also where we run the risk of considering a little too deep as to what reality is. It leaves you blurry eyed, and stutter stuck, you cant speak, but your mind is thrashing with ideas. You grasp one of them and it explodes into a wonderful expanded version which you understand but cannot explain to any other person, because it is only yours. Your afraid to tell anyone because they may think you a little obsurd. But its so clear, and so concise that there is really no way its wrong. Unfortunately your mouth doesnt open and you delve a little deeper.
Picking apart the intricacy's of everyone around you, you realize who is who and how everyone is essentially the same in thought but different in presentation. You have those who apparently dont care about what people think, but yet have to put at their forefront a person lacking emotion in order to prove this. If they dont care, why should they have to prove it. Noone is who they seem because everyone is just like you.
This leads you to consider who you are in comparison. Even though youve already concluded you are the same as anyone else, you feel that self realization will concrete that belief for you. Unfortunately in order to do this you have to ask many intimate questions about yourself. And this is not pertaining to emotionally intimate questions- rather mentally intimate. Such as who you are, and how you became who you are. Spirilling downwards (or so it seems at least) you have to pick yourself apart and its terrifying. Noticing everyone around you seemingly having a good time, you try as hard as you can to do the same but the same question keeps popping up. Who am I? You've now cascaded into a deeper place and the only way out is to go full circle and figure out who are- because if you dont...that question will haunt you for the rest of your life and the answer as to what reality is will remain a mystery (at least thats how I see it). You begin to wonder if who you think you are is really who you are? what if the person you've become isnt who you were supposed to be? What if you had of done something different, what if you had of met other poeple? Why does everyone else seem so much more secure at that time? Perhaps they have chosen to bypass the actual understanding of reality and are truly happy just not worrying about it? or perhaps they have a better presentation than you do? the latter is most likely correct. Everyone does something because they are insecure about another. Its the classic alpha male scenario, the one who has to be at the top is the one who is most afraid of being at the bottom. These are the ones who appear to be entirely as ease with themselves, but are most likely terrified of ever being considered anything less than "the leader"(and are by far the most insecure I think). And likewise down the ladder to the ones who portray a presentation that screams of insecurity- its just a matter of figuring out what that is.
However
Back to figuring out who you are in comparison because this leads full circle to your understanding of what reality is. It always begins with terrifying results, you have more and more reason to believe you are not who you wanted, or are supposed to be. You have not become what everything in your life appears it should have equalled (or so you think). Then you start to level out and fight back or you loose grip entirely (the former is the far better path to take). You dig even deeper into your past realizations, and the more you dig the more you realize that in fact everything that has happened has lead right up until this moment. you begin to pick apart other questions now that you had pretended to forget due to sheer horror of the outcome- and it all works out the same. You have not fallen off course as a matter of fact, your right there. You are only what the summation of everything you've accumulated over the course of time has made you.
This does not lead you to becoming the ever revered "completely secure individual", because that does not exist. But it allows you to come to terms with that fact that you are insecure about something, and so is everyone else. And after engaging this whirlwind venture you come out of it with an even greater understanding of just how closely knit reality and the mindset can be. But also how far apart they are.
Reality is something you cant escape. Because when you try it bites you hard in the ass. Life is everything that man has "made" it. That being love, friendship, food with flavour, work, play, religion and so forth down the scale of ever important aspects of our daily life. Reality however is the backdrop for all of this.
reality is chocolate before you add the suger. Life is the sugar. | |
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Rake
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Joined: 3/12/2005
Msg: 45 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/15/2005 1:30:30 PM | eality is chocolate before you add the suger. Life is the sugar.
I thought life was a box of chocolates?!? Now its sugar? What are you going to tell me next that its glucose ?
ok so my jokes are dumb....I'm an engineer by trade what did you expect? Jim Carrey? | |
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Toad4U
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Joined: 7/23/2005
Msg: 46 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/15/2005 1:38:45 PM | How's this for reality
Everything you see is projected on the back of your eyes upside down - Somehow the brain converts that upside down image so it looks right side up in your brain. Things ain't always the way it seems to be. | |
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| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/15/2005 1:45:54 PM | From another view...perhaps Reality doesn't drive people insane...perhaps acceptance of Reality is sanity, and non-acceptance of Reality is insanity. Some say the purpose of external reality is to drive us *inside*...to a clearer understanding of the real crux of reality, in *consciousness*...not in temporal forms, not in fleeting vehicles, and ephemeral empires of outer form and identity, but rather inner pure conscious awareness of essential ISness.
perceptual "reality" is always in quotation marks, always according to the position of the observer...these relative realities are always shifting, changing, passing, birthing, dying...but Real Reality *abides* without effort without any external support, neither aging nor diminishing nor expanding nor coming nor going...this Reality simply ever IS, while all else is briefly and unsustainably superimposed upon this awesomely subtle backdrop of pure conscious awareness/Knowing/being/Is-ing/Ah-hahing...
Clearly, there is little concern here whether or not you can grok or relate to the above...but if you've had an experience of consciousness beyond the physical ego-body, you might be able to relate.. | |
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Rake
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Joined: 3/12/2005
Msg: 48 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/15/2005 4:29:38 PM | non-acceptance of Reality is insanity.
denial can also be considered when the "self" does not integrate reality..
this Reality simply ever IS, while all else is briefly and unsustainably superimposed upon this awesomely subtle backdrop of pure conscious awareness/Knowing/being/Is-ing/Ah-hahing...
You had me at reality simply ever is and then you lost me....lol.....but I think I know where you're going :)
I think a distinction needs to be made when discussing "reality".
imho I think that there are 2 kinds of reality.
1) Absolute (I still "feel" that there are a set of formulas, currently out of our reach, that can predict the behaviour of everything.)
2) The cross-section that we as humans perceive.
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Kat44
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Joined: 9/10/2004
Msg: 49 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 8/24/2005 9:13:00 PM | You are wrong about at least one thing Word Son...Reality does change, day to day, even minute to minute depending on what you perceive and what you "take in" or not "take in", what you can't really conceive, and what you can handle. Do we effect our day to day experiences? YOU BET WE DO.
~K* | |
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Rake
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Joined: 3/12/2005
Msg: 50 | |
| REALITY, who knows what it is?
Posted: 9/3/2005 5:50:09 PM | if you look at all of the responses one thing is common. Reality makes no sense without the observer.
Therefore with no observer there can be no "meaningful" reality.
But lets assume that absolute reality simply exists irrespective of the observer.
If this is the case then our "meaningful" reality is just a subset of absolute reality.
Thus being the case, absolute reality will always be out of our grasp because the very fact that we have to observe it to define it means that we will NEVER know absolute reality because there is no such thing as an priviledged vantage point point from which to make absolute observations above all other vantage points.
For those who are religious this implies that if God exists outside of "everything" then he/she would indeed have a priviledged vantage point (heaven) from which to make "observations". In this case it would be logical to conclude that he/she would be privvy to absolute reality. | |
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