korky
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Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 151 | |
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Posted: 7/26/2005 1:31:16 PM | | So what you are saying Bunomatic is that democracy is a way to take from the poor and fill their pockets. That is what I have been saying all along, The Americans are out to control the world with their b s and they will step on anybody to get what they want. Well my friend all the great empires eventually came to an end and your is just around the corner. Lets see how they will handle the N Korean and Taiwan situation and China tells America to bugger off. And don't forget the Moslems are bitting at the other end. There are one or two ways that America will see their downfall........ Nuclear war or some smart person will put a virus into the computer system and wipe out everything. It is only a matter of time. | |
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| Hitler
Posted: 7/26/2005 5:26:15 PM | | Well korky I don't necessarily agree with your post about America I was just offering swiftcut some of what I think is relevant to what he was denying.I could be right ,i could be wrong,its just an opinion.Anyways sometimes when you are on the outside looking in you can offer a different perspective.I have'nt been brainwashed by the American military complex as have some of the other posters on here.Not saying that is bad its just that from where I sit I see things without anything fogging my judgement.No rose colored glasses . | |
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| I agree somewhat with you
Posted: 7/26/2005 6:04:40 PM | Facts on Who Benefits From Keeping Saddam Hussein In Power:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm | |
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| I agree somewhat with you
Posted: 7/26/2005 6:13:11 PM | Interesting bit at the bottom -
The United States remains the largest importer of Iraqi oil under the UN Oil-for-Food program. However, U.S. companies can no longer deal directly with Iraq for its oil imports. U.S. companies are forced to deal with third party vendors as a result of a ban on all American companies imposed by Iraq. In 2002, the U.S. imported $3.5 billion worth of Iraqi oil
"Some of the finest conservative minds in America today do there work in The Heritage Foundation."
- Rush Limbaugh | |
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| I agree somewhat with you
Posted: 7/26/2005 6:37:44 PM | | The biggest problem the US has with oil prices doesn’t have anything to do with volume or quantity; it has to do with refining. | |
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| I agree somewhat with you
Posted: 7/26/2005 11:00:50 PM | In my opinion, bunomatic seems to understand the situation the same way I do.. I think.
Political power is something that's elusive and it usually doesn't come from one person or groups of people. It DOES come from money and that's why politicians serve people with money so often...
Now the biggest industry IN the world... the largest income of any industry is defense.
Consider that about a quarter to a third of the US economy is spent on defense. That's more than the auto industry, computers, transportation, show biz... anything you can think of.
Just like it was the shovel salesmen and not the gold diggers who made money during the California Gold Rush, it was arms manufacturers who made off like bandits in the 20th century.
War and defense and missile technology and aircraft carriers and submarines made FAR FAR more money than any other industry.
Weapons control politics. If not by the money they pay the politicians, then by the wars between nations they create and the dependancy of great nations like the US upon them to make sure we keep HAVING the weapons to win wars!
It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. It's good business for arms dealers to start wars!
How else do you create demand for product?
Isn't it obvious that when someone like Saddam Hussein is buying billions of dollars worth of chemicals from the US, tanks and planes from Russia; or Osama and his Mujahadeen are getting thousands of stinger missiles from the US; that someone is pressuring our government to give these things away? Knowing it will only cause US to have to fight them and buy more weapons later?
Consider Prescott Bush, John D. Rockefeller and Henry Ford. All three sold weapons, ammo and oil to the Nazis through World War II.
Don't you all see it's just a way of doing business for them to get people to kill each other?
Also, don't you see that George W. Bush has been nothing but a shill for this industry ever since becoming president? Starting an endless war we can't win and buying a missile system that doesn't work and it's obsolete? and stealing our retirement through budget deficit loans from social security to pay for it?
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 7/27/2005 12:27:35 AM | I see everybody everywhere talking about the government - they talk and talk and talk everyday - what's the matter with the government - everybody say the politicians in washington crooks all of them. I mean no disrespect to all the smart people but this is no big news for me.
I'm going to tell you something right now my friend - the politicians are all the same - yes they are - it don't matter if the people are starving or have no homes - it makes no difference if you have no jobs - politicians do no real work like men - they stick their finger in the air to test the wind - which ever way the wind blows is the direction they follow.
hey let me tell you something about the politicians - they are like only silly clowns - they put on a good show for everbody - you can watch them dance around that's all you can do yes.
if you don't like the circus in your town don't blame the clowns - politicians are little men who pretend - you men will only change your town when you stop the circus. talking about all the little clowns is what the circus master likes - everybody have a good time - he's selling lots of tickets.
talking helps the business - clowns are only silly clowns who work for a boss man. the people get clowns when they ask for them - people need clowns when they can't dance themselves.
the circus will only do to your town what you let it do - it's the same for all people everywhere it is I tell you.
- frank | |
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| Korky - obladi oblada, life goes on
Posted: 7/27/2005 12:32:17 AM | | I disagree. If you were to run for political office, I would not automatically assume that you were the same breed as any other politician. Apathy is the true enemy, and those who b*tch, without even attempting to change the world around them, are the truly guilty ones. | |
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| Korky - obladi oblada, life goes on
Posted: 7/27/2005 7:22:43 AM | my friend mr bulldogmedic I mean you no disrespect - if you are trying to talk with me on the subject of politics I have to say you are incorrect - yes you are. the politicians are all the same - only silly clowns - some dance a bit better than others.
now if you are gonna vote for my dancing then I'm sure gonna give you a good one - I like to dance - some say better than most - you'll have a very good reason to vote for me - yes you will.
let this old cajun tell you a secret - my boy you never gonna change this world by voting for any politician - only god gonna do that - to change this world my friend we gotta change ourselves - and that's a truth you can depend on all of the time.
- frank | |
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| Korky - obladi oblada, life goes on
Posted: 7/27/2005 7:40:02 AM |
Consider that about a quarter to a third of the US economy is spent on defense. That's more than the auto industry, computers, transportation, show biz... anything you can think of.
Uh.... sorry folks... DanQuixote was way wrong on this figure. It's more like 300-400 billion per year out of a GDP of maybe 11 trillion...BUT the greater idea that selling weapons, ammo and oil has made far more than any other industry is still true | |
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| Korky - obladi oblada, life goes on
Posted: 7/27/2005 7:44:28 AM | BDM wrote,"I disagree. If you were to run for political office, I would not automatically assume that you were the same breed as any other politician. Apathy is the true enemy, and those who b*tch, without even attempting to change the world around them, are the truly guilty ones."
I agree Frank, wholeheartedly.
This worn out screed,BDM spouts, hardly addresses the problems within our two-party system. As Frank says, Republicans and Democrats are just two different flavors of the same bagel.
With few exceptions, if you are not a member of one of the two major political parties you stand little chance of being elected and on the outside chance you are elected, you will face opposition from both sides with few political confederates. Yes Ventura was elected, yes soem Green Party candidates have been elected, but until we have NOTA on Federal election ballots, and until we have accountability within the election system itself, we are doomed to plain and salted(Republicans/Democrats).
Until our system of campaign contributions and PACs is completley revamped we will continue to be at the mercy of bought and paid for prostitutes masquerading as lawmakers. | |
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| Korky - obladi oblada, life goes on
Posted: 7/27/2005 7:48:20 AM | | I do think we need election reform. Frankly's right about silly little clowns. Politicians are slaves to the people who contribute money to get them elected. Somehow we need to change the system so the people are served better. | |
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 7/27/2005 8:33:42 AM | | No, we have actually been surveying the oil reserves in iraq before desert storm and have concluded that iraq has a largest reserve then any country in the world. up to 1/3 of the oil in the world sits under the iraqi desert. more then saudi arabia. Everyone knows that oil and petroleum is the fuel of the economy. it runs our factories, cars and much more. If you control the oil you can set prices, and outcompete almost anyone that has to pay a premium for it. Why did Hitler and Mussolini invade africa? Did he just like camels? No, they knew that if they could get there hands on a steady supply of oil the could keep the war machines rolling. The more people begin to realize that oil is what drives the world the better perspective they will get on the situation. Why aren't we invading korea? we know they have WMD. Maybe we aren't going there to "free" those people because they dont have 1/3 of the worlds oil under their ass. and hello? are u ignorant we never found any wmd's in Iraq. read the news numnuts. If the war in iraq was about wmd then why didn't we just go after korea. hell. we know they already have them. maybe thats why we didn't invade. If bush knew that Iraq had alot of nuclear weapons I can promise you there would never have been an invasion, it would have meant nuclear war.. thats why we havn't gone into korea... cause we know that they have nukes. when people have nukes things get settled thru negotiations. Coming from someone in the oil business, The people in the oil business know what iraq is about. all the pipeline contracts go to U.S companies. All the money spent on "freeing Iraq" is going to be paid back to the U.S in oil contracts. Oil for freedom.. i guess. There are too many countries with nukes already for me to honestly believe nukes is what it is about. Bush likes to masquerade like we're in some holy war, and iraq was the evil empire when even Bush knows that he is just suckering people while he hands out oil contracts to his buddies and campaign financers in houston. Since when did freeing people include killing hundreds of thousand of them first. How would we like it if someone invaded our country killed all our family members on the front line and then told us we were free to live somewhere that we don't know where or when the next bomb will go off. I guess hitler was just trying to free jews. Yeah, we will free them from the burden of being alive. i am astounded by how people just assume what they hear on tv is true. | |
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korky
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Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 165 | |
| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 7/27/2005 11:38:59 AM | | I applaud you Caley 777.... what you said is what I have always believed. | |
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korky
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Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 166 | |
| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/24/2005 1:07:52 PM | Republican evangelist Pat Robertsons statement of the day: "This is a dangerous enemy to our South, controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability". Wow! what do you think about a comment like that on assassinating President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. because the US doesn't like him controlling the oil in South America and being Fidel Castros friend. He has just admitted that the US is a terrorist organization. I'm watching what type of reason Bush will come up with in order to invade that country. The statement was made that Chavez was seeking to destabilize the governments of nations friendly to the US. Robertson said, "Unless Chevez is eliminated he is going to make that country a launching pad for Communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent." So here we go again with Americas warped thinking that they have to control another country because it is left wing and isn't run according to (God) "The US"
If the US could only see that all they have to do is be a friend and not try to grab everything for themselves, then we wouldn't have these problems.
Oh well, just look what is happening with Russia and China becoming partners now, it is only a matter of time when they will put the brakes on the US expansionism. | |
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/24/2005 1:18:25 PM | | Irags oil industry is back to almost 100%. If this war were about oil and we actually controlled iraqs oil, wouldnt this oil be coming to the USA? Its not! | |
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/24/2005 1:53:32 PM | | No No, it is about the PROFIT$ from oil and the big boys aren't going to give YOU any of Their PROFIT$! | |
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/24/2005 2:59:16 PM | In my opinion I think maybe it could be to get a foundation and a platform inwhich to defend and attack China when they help out Chavez being invaded .....and much more.....HEY! It's all about Iraqi freedom....Medicines,supplies......food........and..........Freedom....... | |
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korky
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Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 170 | |
| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/25/2005 1:41:21 PM | | Of course the US doesn't get all the oil from Iraq---other countries get to buy it too. But, The US invaded that country to make sure they are the controlling interest. why do you think they invaded in the first place---- Oh, you say it was to get rid of a madman who was building WMD,s that threatens America. Well, as you know now that was not the case, so, if there is no threat now so why are the troops still there. You see it goes beyond your simple thinking, the US is there to make sure it sets up a puppet government that will do what the US tells it. They will have access to the oil, docks for their warships and bases for their ground forces. This will allow them to monitor the Middle East more closely especially Iran. In the meantime Iraq has to be rebuilt and guess who gets to do that? If you have been following the news closely you will see that any country that wasn't an alley with the US doesn't get to participate in the rebuilding of that country. That means all the big companies in the US gets to profit from the rebuilding and believe me it runs into the Trillions of dollars. So you see, you and the rest of your country men believe everything Bush tells you. Our great soldiers are giving their lives for Americas freedom---freedom my fu**ing ass, the only people benefitting from all this are the oil companies and the US war machine. Everyday some poor American mother and fathers son dies so these companies can benefit. Christ, I wish you and your fellowman could open your eyes and see this. Anyway, no matter what I or some other sane person says the killings will go on because you are led by George Hitler Bush. All I can say is God Bless America because you will need it when the missiles and bombs are hitting your own cities. | |
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| Korky - obladi oblada, life goes on
Posted: 8/25/2005 2:07:53 PM | "Apathy is the true enemy"
apathy is only part of the larger equasion and at best a tenth cousin removed
, the following will point you in the direction of the *real* enemy those in collusion with the systen and you have the earmark of one them are ~~
Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit, and, with a flick of the pen, they will create enough money to buy it all back again. Take this power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for then this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit. - Lord Stamp, a Director of the Bank of England, in a speech in 1940
The main mark of modern governments is that we do not know who governs, de facto any more than de jure. We see the politician and not his backer; still less the backer of the backer; or, what is more important of all, the banker of the backer. Throned above all, in a manner without parallel in all the past, is the veiled prophet of finance, swaying all men living by a sort of magic. - G. K. Chesterton
Until you get your head around this fact you will be missing the rest of the equasion | |
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/26/2005 1:37:56 PM | | Well put KORKY. It's remarkable how the flow of oil was a concern from day one but post war civilian Iraq was ignored. First it was WMD's then it was Saddams link to 9/11 then it was spreading freedom throughout the middle east, now it's all about fighting the terrorists in Iraq that were never there before the US invaded. The whole mess has benn a total balls-up from the start and for some reason nobody wants to admit it or see the situation for what it really is; an oil based power grab. | |
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/26/2005 4:55:27 PM | There were WMD as well as proof that Al Qaeda wanted them to use on the US. I could post links to prove it but you woudn't believe it anyway. So why waste my time.
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| It's not about Iraqi Oil?
Posted: 8/26/2005 9:39:16 PM | Man, I wish the war was about oil. This $2.60 a gallon is really putting a damper on my life. | |
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