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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 8:55:50 AM | I do not agree with this war..... I never have. I also did not vote for the jacka$$ sitting at the helm of this country. However, as a true blue American citizen, I stand behind him as he is our president.
My fellow soldiers are fighting and dying in Iraq and their families are suffering because of the lies and deceptions crafted by the Bush Administration. The Iraq war is not only a crime against domestic and international law but [it] is a terrible moral injustice against the Iraqi people." Lt. Ehren Watada
SHAME ON LT. WATADA, and he DOES deserve to do the time. As an ENLISTED soldier, you cannot pick and choose what your assignments will be. Make no mistake people, Lt. Ehren Watada is NO HERO. The men and women who are fighting for us are our heros, whether this war is right or wrong.
This case is not about Lt. Watada's belief about the war, it's about disobeying his pledge of honor to defend our country no matter what the circumstances are. He is a disgrace to our brothers/sisters/sons/daughters, who ARE serving this country with honor no matter what their assignments are.
Wah-tada is acting like a crying whining baby and he deserves no respect. I believe that not only should he do the time in the Federal Pen for disertion, he should also be DISHONORABLY discharged, then hand him over to the marines special forces and let them have a crack at him. Maybe then he will become a man, until then..... he is a very sorry excuse for an American.
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 9:43:47 AM | Please pay attention to the following. The United States is a sovereign nation. The U.S. does not accept the jurisdiction of the U.N. (remember, the UN stood by while the Serbs engaged in 'Ethnic Cleansing' back in the 90s and the massacre of the Tsu Tsu people as well). The United States therefore does not need any organization's authority to pursue valid actions on an international scale.
May I redirect your need to focus on one critical concept here. If you "do not accept the jursidiction of the U.N." , and claim total immunity from international law based on sovereignty - what's a "rogue nation" doing wrong ?
That, in essence, is the very definition of such a thing.
Noun: rogue nation
1. A state that does not respect other states in its international actions.
If a previous U.N. Security Council that predates 1441 was all the legal justification needed to go to war....why was 1441 proposed...and why was another attempted even after that.
There are two legal reasons to attack another nation under international law.
The first is imminent threat, which no one has proven to be the case in regards to Iraq. A state can then act in self-defense legally.
The second is by a CLEARLY mandated UN Security Council resolution approving military action. This certainly was not the case in regards to 1441. Again, look at the wording of the UN resolution that approved what became Desert Storm.
Quite specific in it's power, in no uncertain terms.
RESOLUTION 678 (1990)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 2963rd meeting on 29 November 1990
2. Authorizes Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait, unless Iraq on or before 15 January 1991 fully implements, as set forth in paragraph 1 above, the above-mentioned resolutions, to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area;
http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0678.htm
"to use ALL necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660" is a direct authorization for the use of military force, if Iraq does not comply.
Once a cease fire is declared in Desert Storm, one cannot recycle this to legitimize war in 2003. The situation has changed. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 9:57:08 AM | "Once a cease fire is declared in Desert Storm, one cannot recycle this to legitimize war in 2003. The situation has changed."
Actually, you can. A cease fire is simply a "time-out". It did not officially end the reasons for the start of hostilities. Legally, therefore, the reasons for the 2003 invasion are legal and proper under any legal standard.
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 10:15:32 AM |
The briefing paper of July 21, 2002, offers this clear picture of what the British see as the U.S. goal. "U.S. military planning unambiguously takes as its objective the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime, followed by elimination of Iraqi WMD." But, alas, with the evidence of WMD "thin," and an invasion to bring about "regime change" illegal, the British found themselves between Iraq and a hard place—Washington. The document reeks not only of obsequiousness toward the United States, but also wonderment at Washington's policies—particularly with respect to international law.
U.S. views of international law vary from that of the U.K. and the international community. Regime change per se is not a proper basis for military action under international law...Legal bases for an invasion of Iraq are in principle conceivable...but would be difficult to establish because of, for example, the tests of immediacy and proportionality.
In lay terms, that must mean that, absent any immediate threat, those who chose to invade and occupy Iraq anyway would flunk the "test of proportionality." Grasping at straws, the document raises the possibility of demanding Iraqi acceptance of an unacceptably intrusive U.N. inspection regime:
It is just possible that an ultimatum could be cast in terms which Saddam would reject (because he is unwilling to accept unfettered access)....However, failing that (or an Iraqi attack) we would be most unlikely to achieve a legal base for military action by January 2003.
The British, you see, knew that the summer months in Iraq are uncomfortably hot. Thus, January was the time they thought an invasion would have to begin, or the attack would have to be put off until autumn. As for a possible attack by Iraq, British government documents released to Parliament show that American and British aircraft dropped no bombs on Iraq in March 2002, 10 tons of bombs in July, and 54.6 tons in September. Nevertheless, this failed to provoke Saddam Hussein into the kind of reaction that could be used as an ostensible casus belli. And intrusive inspections? Iraq wound up tolerating the strictest inspection regime in modern history. And when U.N. inspectors found Al Samoud missiles with a range greater than that permitted, Saddam allowed them to be destroyed.
One can visualize the British lawyers wringing their hands: Foiled again.
Breaking The Laws Of War
While the White House may have deemed British government lawyers lily-livered or perhaps "quaint," they were under a good deal of pressure from the British military establishment, which wields more influence in the British government than its domesticated Pentagon counterparts do in Washington. To his credit, British Admiral Michael Boyce, chief of the defense staff, demanded a straightforward, written opinion from the attorney general that attacking Iraq would be lawful, before Boyce would put his troops at risk of subsequent prosecution as war criminals.
This put the bite on Attorney General Goldsmith who had long shared the doubts of the legal establishment about the legality of starting a war without unequivocal endorsement by the United Nations. After much equivocation, Goldsmith bowed to Blair and was asked to appear before the cabinet on March 17, 2003, two days before the war began. Goldsmith read a brief statement saying he now thought attacking Iraq was lawful, and Blair quickly moved the discussion on. Questions were not permitted. The British attorney general reportedly confided to lawyer friends during February and early March 2003 that he found himself in an "impossible" position, and wondered aloud if he should stay in the job.
Admiral Boyce, upset that he was never shown Goldsmith's more equivocal advice to Blair prior to March 17, has now said that if British troops are brought to trial by the International Criminal Court (ICC), British ministers should be "brought into the frame as well." The London Observer asked Boyce if Blair and Goldsmith should be included. "Too bloody right," was his answer.
American forces, of course, do not have to worry about the ICC, since the Bush administration "unsigned" the signature that President Bill Clinton had affixed to the treaty in December 2000. Nor have U.S. government officials shown themselves to be sticklers about international law. In November 2003, Richard Perle, then a key leader of the Defense Policy Board and a principal intellectual author of the invasion of Iraq, left international lawyers astonished when he told a London audience, "I think in this case international law stood in the way of doing the right thing."
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2005/06/13/downing_street_ii.php
It seems your legal opinion was not taken into consideration by British officials. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 10:26:38 AM | Tort2 said:
The officer in question (a traitor by any definition, as well as a coward) does not enjoy the rights I or any non-military American enjoy. And:
An officer on active duty clearly falls under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ and this officer additionally has committed (my opinion) seditious acts that warrant Court Martial.
So you think Watada is a traitorous, seditious, coward. The treason charge has already been debunked in this thread. Go to page 13 and read from post #315 to #319. As for sedition, do you understand what it is? Look up the legal definition and explain how his actions fit. And lastly, cowardice; I don't even know how many people in this thread have called him a coward. I just wish I could read minds as well as some others who apparently can. Watada has stated that he would be willing to serve in Afghanistan, so unless he's lying that means he's not a coward. If you think he's lying, can you offer proof? Other than an "Amazing Karnak"-like routine? And yes, I understand that soldiers do not get to pick their assignments; I mention it to show that the cowardice charge (unless you can prove he lied about being willing to go to Afghanistan) is completely bogus. Ya know what's funny? Most of the military commanders in Iraq have said that a 'surge' won't accomplish anything (without a drastic change in tactics), but commanders in Aghanistan have been asking for more soldiers for a while now. Kinda ironic when you think about it.
The United States is a sovereign nation. The U.S. does not accept the jurisdiction of the U.N. This has also already been addressed. I direct your attention to page 15, post #374.
Actually, you can. A cease fire is simply a "time-out". It did not officially end the reasons for the start of hostilities. Legally, therefore, the reasons for the 2003 invasion are legal and proper under any legal standard. Actually, you can't. Or rather, the US can't; the UN could, but didn't. The US doesn't get to unilaterally decide which UN resolutions to enforce, even over the objections of the UN. With that kind of fuzzy logic, Russia or China or any other nation/nations could unilaterally decide to invade the US to enforce any number of UN resolutions which we are violating. See how that works?
Glad to be of help. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 10:29:22 AM |
unlike Canada and the UK where you can be jailed for expressing unpopular views-for example note the case of Ernst Zundel a few years back-Canada prosecuted and jailed Mr. Zundel for publishing unpopular views
Actually, he was jailed for reporting false news, and then later for fraudulently obtaining citizenship. You also didn't mention that he was in the US at one point, but sent back to Canada to face his charges. Nice try, though.
The officer in question (a traitor by any definition, as well as a coward) does not enjoy the rights I or any non-military American enjoy.
Once you volunteer to serve in the Military you fall under the Military's jurisdiction and you are made aware of that fact before you join. And additionally, you are reminded of it once again when you take an oath (see above) to defend the US.
I guess you now prefer to ignore the code of conduct that you yourself presented earlier.
"VI I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America."
He is fighting for freedom, although he is not doing so in a military fashion. He is taking responsibility for his actions, and he is dedicated to the principles which make the US free.
In short, it puzzles me why Cotter and the other member continue to claim the Lt has a right to protest what they claim is an illegal war (it isn't, by the way-Congress authorized President Bush to invade and hasn't withdrawn that authorization-learn the facts please)
However, Congress didn't have the authority to make that decision. That authority belongs to the UN. Learn the facts, please. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 10:58:07 AM | | You sir are a disgrace to US military and all whom have served…the soldiers job is to deploy into combat zones when ordered to by the commander in chief ...if you can’t take the order get the hell out before someone frag’s your coward ass…I can tell you if you were a US Marine it would have already happened!...if you can’t take it get out!...NOW! | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 11:12:49 AM |
You sir are a disgrace to US military
If you are refering to me, well... I wasn't aware I was part of the US military, especially being as I am not a US citizen. If I am, though, I'll report for duty when they give me all my backpay.
the soldiers job is to deploy into combat zones when ordered to by the commander in chief
Actually, it is a soldier's job to keep the United States safe. When you can demonstrate how the Iraq war is a vital part of keeping the United States safe, then I'll support your arguments. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 11:19:40 AM | someone should frag bush's coward ass. he got out of serving because of his rich and politically connected father. yet, he has the moral cowardice to send other people to fight and die to line his own pockets? he is the true coward in this tragedy.
Bush also supported the Vietnam War COMPLETELY, with one excepton- HE REFUSED TO GO!!! I'm tired of people building this drunken, priveleged frat boy as if he were some kind of figure akin to Ghandi or MLK. He is a coward, who does not know the meaning of hard work, since he had everything in his life handed to him. Then he had some kind of religous "awakening" and suddenly he is a Christ- like model of probity?
Based on this criteria, no one can call this soldier a coward without calling BUsh and Cheney cowards as well. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 1:23:04 PM | Tort 2
I asked you to point out the relevance of the code of conduct you posted with respect to your arguement that Watada is a coward.
You have glossed over the issue and pointed to the obviously restricting language in the UCMJ that has been oft cited here by many others.
Since, three or four different posters have underscored my request by pointing out that Watada has not violated the code (you posted) and in fact it could be construed that he has moved to uphold it. Much like the Oath that someone else posted earlier on for our review.
The legal wrangling around the UN Resolutions is interesting and probably the type of debate Watada was hoping would unfold under the auspices of the court but you, in particular, have proven your incapacity to even back up your own posts so the legitmacy of your arguements with respect to International Law is suspect as is your legal training.
Your citing a lack of freedoms in Canada, comparative to this case, by pointing to a completely false and unrelated precedent in Canada was another example of your incompetence as pointed out by another observer of this thread.
Maybe you should post the highly restrictive language from the UCMJ that states soldiers have no right to question policy and must simply see no, hear no, but partake in executing evil.
I would like to see just the contents of the code that Watada broke if you are able.
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if you can’t take the order get the hell out before someone frag’s your coward ass…I can tell you if you were a US Marine it would have already happened!...if you can’t take it get out!...NOW!
Early on in this thread I rebuked a young soldier for over the top bravado. And, if I read this right, it is you Sir that should be honarably discharged - if you are a service men- and tested psychologically regardless if you are in service or not.
It is an criminal offense, as I understand it,(I am not a lawyer) to utter threats of this nature.
I am shocked at such vitriol and contempt.
Cheers Eihwaz | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 2:54:05 PM |
An officer on active duty clearly falls under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ and this officer additionally has committed (my opinion) seditious acts that warrant Court Martial.
I have no sympathies for traitors who are also cowards. Perhaps you need to go back and take a refresher on the UCMJ.
Watada's actions do not constitutes cowardice, treason or sedition under the Articles. That is the primary reason he was not charged under Article 94, 99 or any other similar Article.
He may very well be guilty of offences under Articles 87, 92, 133 and 134 (and possibly 82, and 90) but not 94, and definitely not 99.
Neither has he violated the Code of Conduct. The Code of Conduct does not apply in this situation. As a bit of a refresher for you, the Code of Conduct was established as a direct result of the POW experiences of the Korean War.
The Code of Conduct was established to outline the expectations, and govern the behaviour, of US military personnel taken as POW's. It is not generally applicable to situations outside that context.
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 4:48:30 PM | Montreal Guy, you wrote:
"It seems your legal opinion was not taken into consideration by British officials."
In legal terms, "Who cares?"
The US has no obligation to follow UK law (unless its due to Comity) and visa versa. Your posting of British legal analysis may be entertaining but it is a Non Sequitur. My comments and conclusions of law are based on AMERICAN LAW.
It would behoove the furtherance of this thread if others would remember, the USA has NO obligation to follow the mandate of a quasi criminal organization that allowed the murder of thousands of civilians in the Balkans during the 90s (Bosnia, Serbia) and in Africa during the same time period and in addition, allowed certain individuals to acquire wealth through bribes (from Iraq) in the 'Oil for food program". I am referring to the UN.
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 5:15:51 PM |
someone should frag bush's coward ass. he got out of serving because of his rich and politically connected father. yet, he has the moral cowardice to send other people to fight and die to line his own pockets? he is the true coward in this tragedy.
Actually, Bush was a ANG Fighter pilot who was actually prepared to go overseas to Vietnam. Only problem was, the jet fighter he was trained on, was completely obsolete by the time his training was done. Those in charge realized that sending a squadron of these old F-102's over would be a complete turkey shoot for the newer Migs they'd be facing.
You're not a hero for going to war in a plane that stands zero chance against the enemy: You're a moron.
This Lt is not a hero. By "standing up for what he believes in" he's allowing his buddies overseas to be left without a competent/trained leader.
If he was really a hero, he'd hate this war as much as anyone else, but go over nonetheless and try to do his job as best and as humanely as possible so that it ENDS quicker.
Imagine if I as a medic said "no I won't go overseas because this is an illegal and immoral war." So while I bask in the media spot light and soak up praise from the left, back home where it's safe, my buddies hit by an IED and with their intestines hanging out on a street in Falluja are left without anyone to patch them up.
He may not be a medic: but while he's back home playing conscientious objector, he's leaving fellow soldiers overseas vulnerable because now they're deficient in someone who's trained to do their job.
When one part of the machine quits, it ALL breaks down. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 5:21:56 PM | My comments and conclusions of law are based on AMERICAN LAW. Not really. Your claim that Watada is a seditious traitor is blatantly false.
Our Constitution (can't get much more American than that) states quite clearly that "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land"; can you explain how going to war without UN approval would not be against the law? | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 5:35:24 PM | ^^^^^just wondering which treaty, where the US is a signatory, requires UN approval to do anything?
Just wondering.
And I've asked this question before, but no one replied.
If the war is illegal...does that mean that every soldier, from every country that sent troops, should be charged with war crimes? I mean, if not, then Watada should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law...because he disobeyed a lawful order. If the order to deploy was unlawful...then all troops that have deployed to Iraq have commited crimes and should be punished.
Which is it? | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 6:05:38 PM | Fall Line,
I am not qualified to answer your query with any authority or assurance and my opinion may not even makes sense let alone have any legal value but I believe that in order for the war to be deemed illegal certain processes either domestically or internationally must occur first.
If said processes were ever to occur, a ruling describing aspects of the action would give rise to the circumstances necessary to begin to answer your question.
Further, it is my humble opinion, that soldiers will not and should not bare the brunt of any legal action. It would typically be the legal conduct of the decision makers from the oval office to the pentagon and their underlings that would be under scrutiny and punishable. Just as a soldier should simply put his head down and go fight without concerns for these issues (as some here have suggested) he is also indemnified for following orders given by unlawful superiors. Of course, this is not the case in varying circumstances.
It was American pre-emptive aggression, without supporting International diplomacy or a reasonable threat to their National Security that has called the legality of their actions into question. Other Nations supporting the installation of democratic governance in the region to restore the peace would not be implicated in the same manor and therefor their troop presence would not likely be considered in any legal prosecution.
Again, I am not a lawyer and you may wish to refer to Tort 2 for clarity on the topic as he seems to adamantly claim possession of some type of expertise in this area.
Cheers Eihwaz | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 8:51:43 PM | Fall Line, there is no treaty in existence where the US has abrogated its right of self-determination. The US has consistently stated that it will not use military force for aggressive purposes, but rather, to further the goals of peace in a region or in accord with existing treaties (i.e. NATO).
Further, with respect to your point about possible criminal liability for our troops, any liability fall under the premise existing since Nuremberg, that soldiers may not use the defense that they were following orders, if the orders are clearly criminal in nature. The "following orders" defense is not available and the soldier(s) face criminal liability. The US has never denied or disavowed this doctrine. In the 70s we prosecuted Lt. William Calley for the Mai Lai massacre. Recently, we prosecuted the guards in Abu Gharib prison for conduct outside the scope of their duties.
As unpalatable it may be for some, the fact is that a super power such as the US has to have a military conflict every 10 yrs or so. Why? An army that doesn't fight becomes rusty, to use a crude metaphor. This is one of the reasons why our military is the finest in the world at the moment. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 8:59:43 PM | Tort 2,
Nuremburg does seem to be the obvious precedent and its principals are what people are arguing have been violated by the USA.
Just because the Bush Administration claims, as you put it:
The US has consistently stated that it will not use military force for aggressive purposes, but rather, to further the goals of peace in a region or in accord with existing treaties (i.e. NATO).
Does not meant the claim is realistic or even remotely accurate.
It is likely that Nuremburg Principals have been violated in addition to domestic law but what will come of it when the current administration and many Americans think much like you do.
Cheers Eihwaz | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 9:20:16 PM |
The US has consistently stated that it will not use military force for aggressive purposes, but rather, to further the goals of peace in a region or in accord with existing treaties
Please explain how the Iraq war meets either of these conditions.
As unpalatable it may be for some, the fact is that a super power such as the US has to have a military conflict every 10 yrs or so. Why? An army that doesn't fight becomes rusty, to use a crude metaphor.
Ever hear of training exercises? | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 9:28:26 PM | Last question first.
Training, no matter how rigorous, cannot replace live war; it just can't. Having regular conflicts insure that we have a steady cadre of battle hardened veterans and NCOs that know what to do when the bullets fly. This is a common theme among historical empires (see the Roman Empire, in particular Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire").
The Iraq invasion was carried out under the UN mandate that authorized the Gulf War of 1991.
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 9:44:58 PM | Training, no matter how rigorous, cannot replace live war; it just can't. Having regular conflicts insure that we have a steady cadre of battle hardened veterans and NCOs that know what to do when the bullets fly.
You have the world's most powerful military, regardless of whether or not it is battle hardened. I dare say you don't have to worry about conventional military threats to the US.
The Iraq invasion was carried out under the UN mandate that authorized the Gulf War of 1991.
I see, suddenly the UN is important to you again. Problem with your reply is, the UN didn't authorize this.
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 10:41:24 PM | Whatever issue this person has for NOT DEPLOYING TO IRAQ IS 100% VALID...
Check this out, let's say that you were offered $25,000.00 to $40,000.00 just to join up and go to Iraq, But durring your deployment you got both arms and a leg blown off by an IED in a non-combat duty...
Well if you make it through Medivac and transport to Germany and they do manage to save your life all 25% of you that is left, after you are given an honerable discharge from the service, you will be expected to PAY BACK the portion of your promiced bonas money, because you did not compleat your deployment...
But wait, it gets even better, if you can't pay because you have just been BLOWN TO HELL and only 25% of you made it home!!! The DOD will send Collection Agents after you and your family untill they can get everything that they want from you and your family...
Now I give you a choice, you can go to Iraq of which is a Death sentance garenteed, or 6 years in an American Military Prison and you will live pretty good as compared to life anywhere in DU Contaminated Iraq???
Wrong is right and Right is wrong
So going to prison is The Right thing to do...
And going to The American War is WRONG and will result in costing your family much more that just your life,,,
I Blame Bushco for 100% of it all.. | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/14/2007 11:31:33 PM |
i totally support this man for resisting being forced to fight in a war that is unjust, based on a corrupt foreign policy put in place by neo-conservatives (read neo social democrats).
I could be mistaken, but, I believe this particular guy joined after Iraq was began. Most of the info was already out there...the delay in inspectors, etc. If there was any doubt, he should not have taken the enlistment money and joined.
Congress passed the declaration to go to Iraq. Today, via MSNBC and probably other News stations, many Democrats are saying on the news that it was not their intent to bring the troops back home .... (the talk they put out prior to the seats elections) but, rather to send the troops to other foreign soil. Duh!!!
Logic, follow the dots, not rocket science, to figure out this Army officer simply wanted to collect the bonus money and attempt to not go into a 'hot zone'. It didn't work...but, hey, he gave it his best attempt. In this specific case, the officer refusing was in the wrong. Each case is different and when all the facts are laid out, it's real easy to see where this guy what this guy was trying to do.  | |
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| Support 1st U.S. Army Officer to Speak Out Against Iraq War Posted: 2/15/2007 8:31:31 AM | | I really don't care what country you are a citizen of Sir, if you are Canadian then I feel sorry for you...But as part of the US military... a soldier does not pick the fight...the oath you take is to protect and defend the United States...(the fact that we have been saving the world from despots for 100 years in besides the point)...and serve at the will of the commander in chief...you might disagree, as I did when Nixon was my boss!...your choice is simple seperate from the service and hang out with all the other dirt bags carrying protest signs...a soldiers job is to kill and blow up things that's the bottom line...you do what you are ordered to do...like it or not...if people join for benefits or education they don't belong!...it is in the United States best interest to win in Iraq...and we will WIN!... unless the coward, Liberals get their way...cut and run...retreat and surrender...the USMC will NEVER do either! | |
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