| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/11/2007 12:29:51 PM | Maybe it's cuz I've been there/done that, but I wonder at these tough-ass female attitudes...is it appealing? In any way? Men? Enquiring minds want to know....
Not at all. I don't want a hard ass chick around. well, a hard ass ass is nice but not a hard ass attitude. If I wanted to live with a tough hard ass, I would've married one of the guys I was in the 82nd with or a Drill Sergeant with. Equality is a myth that is allowed because we live in an economic empire that allows people to earn livings without the discomfort of simply surviving. No one is equal in reality to anyone else. women in western society have about priced themselves off the market. Look at the ages and attitudes of the posters and you begin to see a pattern.  | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/11/2007 2:42:18 PM | | I've met a guy who's a great cook, very tidy, cleans his house very regularly, also does lots of male sporting activities etc. Its kind of intimidating how perfect he sounds cos im not perfect by a long shot. But ultimately, my job qualifications are higher than his. It is weird. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/11/2007 5:50:56 PM | I think in this day and age as we get older if we're either single, divorced, or are somehow living alone (especially if taking care of children) we have to take care of all things...and so we learn to do what used to be traditional gender oriented jobs in or out of the house. Also, there are a lot more dads with sole custody and women who are working and single that sort of have to bring home the bacon and be able to cook it.
In my generation I have met just as many men that cooked, cleaned, did laundry as didn't.
I was never a fan of tradition, and I am sure I am living proof of that. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/11/2007 8:36:40 PM | These responses tell me that I will have a hard time finding a secure, confident woman who just enjoys life with me and who finds nothing "wrong" with cooking and cleaning. I question the hygiene of a woman that dislikes cleaning. There is a direct corellation between the two particularly with women. I am a little surprised at the comments I read.
What is it about women not wanting to cook? Is it degrading?
I will add to my profile: Will only marry a woman that cooks and does housework - That's what I want, that's what I'll get, my lifestyle, my choice.
I am not chauvinistic as I grew up in a feminine environment and pretty much know how to do anything a woman can do and extra things as well as many professions but when non sense hits the end walls of the universe, I'll stick to what I know works in a relationship.
If you find soime chores to be degrading, such as housecleaning or cooking which are the fundamentals necessities for a descent clean human being, you should fight to do them yourself and not let your mate do them, that is how you give, that is LOVE!!!! wanting to receive only, is selfish.
Women like men that have personality and dignity, and that do not let themselves be stepped on. Keep on losing your dignity and in the long run, she'll start looking for someone else, it's only natural. GO against nature, and it will wait for you around the corner. It does not take a blind man to see that. You'll be left wondering complaining that you did everything for her, clean , cook etc...That is the real problem! Becoming a princess'servant instead of a prince. know your ROLE. What did she do for you? Does her heart not want to please you? if not, she does not love you.
Think down the line 10 or 20 years from now when you'll get older and all saggy and wrinkled... Change of plan? | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/11/2007 9:00:23 PM | Heck I thought at first I had married a mummy's boy ...was I wrong!!! I felt guilty at time's when my hubby drives 2 hours to get to work and home 5 days per week and he wants to cook just about every night in the kitchen my god it's like living with "Jamie Oliver" to be honest!! lol...And I'm a pretty fine cook myself it's just that my husbands mother did everything for him as the youngest and only son that he now rebels and wants to help me all the time...It's like a little puppy getting caught under my feet, actually it's pretty sweet...
Yes I have be known to mow the yards and such but will not do that now as I have a nasty hernia that any day I will be taken in for operating on, plus my husband would die if he saw me on the end of the lawn mower!! However I will get out and pull weeds and help him around the yard...I suppose in our relationship it's pretty even steven's we like to help each other out as much as the other esp if one is really tired the other goes in and picks up the slack for them....But hey it seems to work for us!!! It's pretty nice to be honest, as my first husband loved to sit down with a beer and watch footy all weekend ignore the kids and the outside jobs that needed seeing to...Now I have a husband that is like "well honey what's next"?
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/11/2007 9:56:57 PM | watch footy all weekend ignore the kids and the outside jobs that needed seeing to
I thought he was cooking.
Yeah my sister too, she tried to mow the lawn and screwed up her back (her vertebrae). Vertabrae can handle so much especially with age. Doctor told her not to do anything highly physical anymore. She might have been a feminist (she finally realized it was a mistake) but her passion for cooking is amazing and so is what she makes. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/11/2007 10:16:31 PM | True men are on their own yes, but alot of them live like pigs and eat pasta every night. Have you NOT seen 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy'?
I am NOT threatened by a man that will clean or cook - it's actually a really huge turn on to me when a man takes pride in the home and can put a well prepared, great tasting meal in front of me. Que Paris - That's Hot.
Now - I have no problem with doing some 'man' jobs but noooo - no mowing any lawns, unless it's one of those car like ones ya sit on - that'd be fun! Yeh, I would do that. No oil changes for me - for the simple fact I am not mechanically inclined. Heck, last time I put air in my tires i almost blew my car right off the rode - the mechanic told me i was lucky i asked him to check the pressure or half way down the street I'd have been flying through the air. Sooo best if i stay away from that kinda stuff.
I'm sure not many men would be threatened by a woman who will mow the lawn or change her own oil - saves him from having to do it.
Now ask if a MAN if he would be threatened by a woman who made more money (not a loser that has no problem living off of women) than he does or is more attractive then he is...
Neither of those would go over nearly as big.
Let's see:
-A man a loser who lives off women, but what if the situation were reversed, that's okay? No coattail riders for myself; get a job.
-You avoid traditional male role activities yet expect (by insinuation) that a man should take on both traditional and non-traditional roles proactively.
-There are women who make more money than their partners, but most prefer men with similar or greater income still. It's called hypergamy. Look it up. Women don't "marry down" as much as men do, even now. Most men are NOT threatened by women who have more cash flow; they simply don't get considered as much by women in a higher income bracket when concerning long term mate selection. So much for egalitarianism and equality, eh?
-You imply us straight men are mediocre in the kitchen while comparing real examples with a TV show, of all things.
I'm a gourmet chef. BTW, I don't cook for single moms unless they dine at the restaurant I work at and pay for it. I don't date them, either. Sorry.
And yeah, sometimes traditional roles f******* suck. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/14/2007 3:41:33 PM | MrDecember if you read my post all the way through, I was firstly talking about how lovely my second hubby is as to what my first hubby was (yes the one who sat around and watched footy and ignored the kids and drank, plus did nothing outside).
LOL thats why I'm now remarried to a much more considerate partner. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/14/2007 7:10:56 PM | gee I didn't know mowing the lawn was a big deal...lol I've had to do that since I was a kid. Cooking is something both sexes can do equally well....my father cooked and cleaned just as much as my mother did. And I would be put off by a man that expected me to do all of those things...while he sits back and relaxes. lol If we both do alittle, we can relax together.........mmmmmmm relax or mmmmm other fun and exciting things. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 1/14/2007 7:24:02 PM | I have dated a number of men who could cook wonderfully, and men who have kept their homes spotless, even when they have kids in their custody. After having cooked for over 30 years, I would be happy to find a man who could cook for me, or we could cook together! I have always been the one to mow the lawn, (My choice and I did a better job and its great exercise.) but didn't learn to change the oil in my car because I would have been expected to do that too.. hehe... Anyway, I personally have NO problem with untraditional gender roles!
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 7:21:38 AM | I'm not threatened in the least by a man who will pull his weight in housework..I WOULD WELCOME IT SO MUCH..HE WOULD PROB GET A HUMMER (not the vehicle) for every major household thing he did..HOWEVER! this business of men getting face peels/laser therapies for aesthetic reasons as early as age 46, as well as testosterone treatment when their testosterone is already at least avg.. is getting a lil too crazy for me...and spending so much money on trying to be younger..it's like more men are becoming more female like in that respect..and some of the men seem to love themselves soo much..that they must just got stare at themselves in a mirror & wank off..or switch teams..I am noticing this type of gender shift more & more.  | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 7:25:28 AM | Lookin bill too bad too many men are leaving to many women to be the Mom& the Dad..some of us don't have the luxury of having much choice..I have done 'man's work..simply so I didn't have to wait or pay somebody else to do it...I also don't have a man to protect my 'lil womaness'..again I do it myself..why don't u get on ur fellow man..to step up their games a lil & stop worrying about their next pedicure/workout/tanning session/wank session..etc. A lot of women have to Man-up these days whether we want to or not | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 7:41:43 AM | Who else will mow my lawn? I purchased a new riding lawn mower, and I enjoy mowing, or else I would hire someone, like I pay for the edging, and other things. My place is immaculate! Sometimes I hire someone to clean the house, but not always.
I think that chores should be done by the man or woman who enjoys them. If there is a conflict, and nobody wants to do something, then hired help is always available, and giving laborers a chance to provide themselves an income is a noble cause. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 8:00:19 AM | What's your take on untraditional gender roles, ladies are you threatened by a guy who will clean house or cook. Guys are you threatened by a woman that mows the lawn or changes her own oil?
Eh, I clean, cook, mow lawns, change oil, etc... Gender shouldn't really be an issue when it comes to handling simple chores. Who cares who does what as long as everything gets taken care of? | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 8:21:37 AM | | These days, the majority of women have a career or at least a job. In my parents' generation, Dad had the job and Mom looked after the house and kids. It only seems fair that if we're both working 40+ hours a week, that the household chores are shared. Despite that fact, many of my friends still expect their wife or girlfriend to do all the cooking, cleaning and laundry. Because I was single for about half of my adult life, I had to learn to cook and clean. I find that most of the women I date seem to appreciate a man that is capable of preparing a good meal, and that keeps a home clean and looking fashionable. I personally find it kind of sexy when a girl enjoys watching and playing sports and is adveturous enough to learn proper automotive maintenance, as long as she stills looks feminine and sexy. The girlfriend in 'My Cousin Vinny' was the perfect woman in my opinion! | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 10:16:04 AM | Threatened by a guy you will clean house and cook? You have got to be kidding!!! Sounds good to me. Go to work, come home, the house is clean and dinner is ready to eat, and then he cleans the mess after dinner. Where do I find these wonderful men at?
The question just doesn't make sense to me. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 10:23:38 AM |
Not at all. I don't want a hard ass chick around. well, a hard ass ass is nice but not a hard ass attitude. If I wanted to live with a tough hard ass, I would've married one of the guys I was in the 82nd with or a Drill Sergeant with. Equality is a myth that is allowed because we live in an economic empire that allows people to earn livings without the discomfort of simply surviving. No one is equal in reality to anyone else. women in western society have about priced themselves off the market.
I don't think a hard ass attitude is good in anyone. No one is equal to anyone. What does that mean? Yes of course people want to earn a living rather than just survive.
Priced themselves off the market? Again what does that mean?
I don't understand your post at all, but I will say this, I don't feel that a person's gender should decided what they do in life. I do not at least for the most part have a hard ass attitude and do not want a man with a hard ass attitude. The only time I have a hard ass attitude is when I feel someone is trying to screw me over, then that inner **** will come out in full force. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 11:51:43 AM | Take it one step further. Would you be interested in a man who really doesn't want to work at all (or just work part time or in a position that doesn't earn nearly the woman's salary) but would rather stay home to be a house husband and/or stay at home dad?
I dont need a stay at home dad. I take care of my children and house as well as do my job. I would not be without a job and I would not be with someone who is without one. I can pay someone to cut the grass or clean the house if i have to and it will cost less than a potential partner could earn, so it would not be justified for them to stay at home. And before someone comes and says but women expect this all the time blah blah, my answer to that is that i am not one of those women nor am I responsible for their expectations. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 12:07:04 PM | | whe I was married, I did 90 % of the cooking, 70 % of cleaning, picked my daughter up everyday from school, volunteered at school but i wasn't working. I love being a house husband. | |
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| Untraditional gender roles, can you handle it?
Posted: 9/17/2008 12:27:23 PM | On the one hand, I don't like to cook. It has nothing to do with traditional roles and me wanting the woman to cook. I just don't like to participate in anything other than utilitarian cooking - heat it up, eat it. 
On the other hand, I don't mind cleaning. I've almost always been one to do 50% or more of the cleaning. I was not raised to think that the woman "should" do anything, cleaning included.
I've always said that if I met a woman with a higher-paying job than me, or one that we decided was more important to our happiness, I would be happy to be a stay at home dad. I just have never met any women who would be comfortable with that arrangement. | |
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