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Posted: 1/20/2008 12:16:34 PM | I also seen women same way she worked in health care. Seen her car with dirty
dirty diapers in back seat which she had no kids so she tells me, dirty clothes in car empty chip bags. Went for late breakfast there cook bacon and eggs together
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Posted: 1/20/2008 12:24:33 PM | heart4one: I know what you mean and how you felt........and I do know it is not just a gender deal......I can honestly say ....it will not happen to me again....nope ,I will be better educated next time lol......Angel  | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 12:43:15 PM | | Sounds like he needs a woman exactly like you! | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 3:46:23 PM | One of my exlandlord is a total pig, his place looked like a garbage dump. I am not over stating it. I used to be a clean freak not anymore, sure my place is kinda messing but I don't have mould growing on my left over food and crap.
Can't really say men are pigs that's the way we are brought up. I wasn't allowed to clean the house with I was a kid, heck I wasn't allowed to help my grandmother cook for a special occassion. I was told that's a woman job. If you want to blame anyone blame the parents usually. Girls on the otherhand are expect to clean the house etc. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 3:55:00 PM | | OP did you just break into my house? | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 5:55:04 PM | | Generally, men are messier than women but some women are a disaster. I make sure if anyone is coming over that my place is presentable and do major cleaning once a week and some maintenance cleaning once every couple of days, but that is not enough, I know. I would never have a lady over if I had mess. It's not proper or even a male friend. I could have a lazy couple of days, though. Many people do that on some weekends.. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 6:09:30 PM | OP you got the expected mixed bag of responses.
Tidiness and cleanliness are obviously not a gender issue.
Personal pride is an individual thing ... some have it some don't.
Personally I like to visit a home that is obviously lived in but regularly
tidied by its occupants. Dirty dishes in the lounge or bedroom is a
definite turn-off as is food scraps and milk containers on the bench
in the kitchen together with several days unwashed dishes. Some
people like to live like that but I choose not to live with them. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 6:10:32 PM | true, when you are living alone in some situations I can also temporarily ignore "order at home" and different areas of the flat can get let's say "far from perfect".
it's usually happens when I have a lot of other things to do...and as I prioritize......home order is not always on top.....
sometimes I say "it can wait until the weekend" or "next week"
one area I am really bad is "washing dish policy" - I usually do not do it after meal, but prefer doing it before next meal...so it can happen the dishes stay there for 1 full day, or over 2 days if I suddenly need to travel somewhere...
it isn't good, but as I live alone, this system works for me.
when you are bachelor, you have some "systems" implemented for routine activities.
the longer you live alone the more difficult it will be to change them | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 6:45:13 PM | Ahh, but better messes than misses, or near misses.
As a confirmed bachelor I have to confess to allowing things to become untidy as much as it distresses me. I do find it annoying and I am dismayed at how often I am annoyed nowadays. One of the biggest problems of living alone is having things go missing because I have nobody to blame but myself. I've accused the cat, but she'll have none of it. I have developed the bachelor's trick of putting off doing laundry, and that is simply to buy more socks and underwear. Every 2 or 3 weeks I can go to the laundrymat and have the whole thing done in a couple of hours. It's all about conservation of effort. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 7:05:40 PM | | If you don't like my place, we can go to your place. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 7:28:13 PM | | genegem: That's what I'm talking about......Angel | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 10:04:34 PM | I'm a clutter bug, no doubt. And I feel bad when people see it sometimes, but you know what? That's me - I'm a collector. I like to show off the concert pics I have taken, and the ticket stubs, autographs, whatever. Shows character. I have been to neat freaks places, yuck! No personality. How am I to learn anything about you if you hide it? And being a slob once in a while is a sign that you are human. There are always extremes, but even then, you don't know the whole story. Maybe they are sick, live alone, depressed, extremely busy, whatever. If you really like the person, get to know them, and appreciate that they want to share their abode with you in a way. I would rather date a clutter bug anyday over a neat freak. As one of my signs say, "Geniuses thrive on clutter." ;)
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Posted: 1/20/2008 11:30:59 PM |
You didn't have to go to all that trouble Anthony but I truly appreciate your enthusiasm anyway! LOL
It was no problem, not really a lot of enthusiasm, just me wanting to say how I felt.
I agree fully with you in having a tidy place if you're expecting company---it's only polite. Having the crap from our daily lives strewn about could make some people uncomfortable and if they're important enough to us then we'd want them to feel welcome in our homes.
No, you don't agree fully with anyone have a tidy place after your previous post saying,
Sadly for you anal women we don't place the same life-or-death importance on a neat, tidy, ultra clean, picture perfect dwellings you do---does that make us bad or unworthy? Keyword "tidy".
My point wasn't how housekeeping "should" be practiced rather it was about one reply. As can be seen from that follow up the choice of words wasn't accurate to the actual conversation---had that been made clear then chances are I'd not have replied in any way to this thread.
Exactly, so why post at all? You basically belittled the OP for posting how "she" felt about messy houses (which again has nothing to do with you). Then you go on to make fun of her, you make it seem like we are all back in grade-school.
So many of the replies here are nothing more than REACTIONS----that's an important concept I think we all need to keep in mind when posting here.
The pot calling the kettle black don't you think? You got all worked up in your previous post over how one person felt, (even making fun of her) it actually made it look like you were mad because she had this experience.
Good luck and have fun to all still fishing. 
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Posted: 1/21/2008 4:55:28 AM | From a previous reply:
JWA, I skipped all the 8 or 9 pages just to reply to you, directly.
It would appear by skipping things you also missed that my comments were about Msg 212 wherein Angeloflite ranted on about her own ideas concerning this lack of tidiness and what seemed to be her own strong over reaction----it was NOT directed at the OP! In fact, Msg 212 resurrected this long ago abandoned thread otherwise I wouldn't have had a single thought about it.
Exactly, so why post at all? You basically belittled the OP for posting how "she" felt about messy houses (which again has nothing to do with you). Then you go on to make fun of her, you make it seem like we are all back in grade-school.
While two wrongs don’t make a right I think I said if this is such an issue for one person they need not date or visit someone how keeps house any way they aren’t comfortable with.
The pot calling the kettle black don't you think? You got all worked up in your previous post over how one person felt, (even making fun of her) it actually made it look like you were mad because she had this experience.
Sorry dude but if “she” can make her comments I’m just as willing to express mine as well. If “she” has such a hard line attitude about something and expresses as it was in Msg 212 (before her back peddling and further explanation......) then I might refute that from my own point of view. As I said REACTION is more at work in these forums than anything----that’s all I did—REact!!
Move along kids----nothing more to see here!! | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 5:43:07 AM |
computer paraphenalia strewn everywhere
LOL...that's me....typical computer geek....lol...cept its contained in one area of the house...but cripes...he should at least clean up before you came over.
But yeah, true, men can be messes.
I typically keep my bedroom door shut becuase it can be a mess...while I keep the living room and kitchen clean | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 6:04:07 AM | ONE guy you met has a messy place=ALL men are messes.
ONE guy you met is a player=ALL men are players
ONE guy is unemployed=ALL men are unemployed.
think I'm kidding?Just read some of these threads and profiles.
You didn't like this guy's pad? Then leave or get him a Merry Maid gift certificate for his Birthday or don't date him.
If I were to lump all women into one category because of a bad experience I'd be spending the rest of my life huddled in a corner with a drool cup and a crash helmet.
Here's a tip :Male bashing and broad generalizing makes you UNATTRACTIVE. | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 6:08:30 AM | different people have different personalities and priorities, some are neat, some not...
if it's a trait you can't live with, then don't - leave
i love the look of a clutter-free home, all surfaces polished and shiny, as if the house was a model showroom; unlived in and perfect.... however, with my personality (- not very good at organizing and i hate sorting stuff; papers are my nemesis) and four children, three of whom still live at home full time.. that remains a dream rather than a fact...
a placard my mum used to have said, "clean enough to be healthy, dirty enough to be happy" - that about sums it up for me too...
sure i hate mess enough to pick it up when it gets out of hand, but not enough to keep it pristine, obviously.. (or i would..)
so, i would drive a man crazy who was perfect in terms of housework.. and he would drive me crazy...
guess that's gotta be an area where we're compatible.... | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 7:08:53 AM | Rain4Eva: Thank you so much........some people just don't know how to handle the truth....this was a real life experience for me...not just an a reply on lack of housekeeping....I could care less how people keep their homes ...it is their house if they can live like that....then more power to them....but as I did state....I did have in my previous profile about neatness....and the man knew how I felt about that ....neatness in all area of your life is important to me.....I make it a priority to be neat and keep a neat place ...out of respect ....now that is me....and how I feel...It doesn't have to be perfect....but to the point of being condemned...I would say there is a problem......and I'm not sticking around to clean it up.......nope not my job.....you madethe mess... you clean it up.....and let me tell you....I have three sons.....and they all three can clean and cook just as good as any woman...Why? Because I have taught them....do they always keep a tidy room.....NO...but when they get tired of looking at their mess ..they clean it up....My oldest son is on his own with a wife and child....guess who cleans and cooks.....Yes...my son...and he never complains because his wife works full time and is in nursing school....so he does his share and then some...and I am proud of him...He keeps a cleaner house than me lol....
to the other fish that seems to have a problem.....the only thing I back paddled on was...how I told him how I felt...and yes it made me mad....He should have never brought me or any other lady in those condition.....plain and simple.....but I told him in a nice way and let it go.....I just wonder how many more ladies have been in a similar situation......
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Posted: 1/21/2008 7:20:16 AM | msg 267;
ONE guy you met has a messy place=ALL men are messes.
ONE guy you met is a player=ALL men are players
ONE guy is unemployed=ALL men are unemployed.
think I'm kidding?Just read some of these threads and profiles.
You didn't like this guy's pad? Then leave or get him a Merry Maid gift certificate for his Birthday or don't date him.
If I were to lump all women into one category because of a bad experience I'd be spending the rest of my life huddled in a corner with a drool cup and a crash helmet.
Here's a tip :Male bashing and broad generalizing makes you UNATTRACTIVE.
I Completely agree!
Men are Not messes!!! Geez, if 'you' have that opinion of the opposite sex, perhaps you're fishing in the wrong side of the pond!
I can Only speak for myself and (Some of) the men I've dated. The Vast majority of those men have been better housekeepers than me. And they do it themselves too! That's just my experience. My own space? The dishes haven't been done for a 'day or two', the floor needs to be swept and carpet needs vacuuming.. I suppose a little dusting might please 'someone'.. but I did shovel the walkway!!
If the person you meet/date doesn't meet Your standards, let them go .. set them free! That way you and the 'messy' party are available for the Right person.
and Leave my Dust Bunnies Alone! lol
A.S.is
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Posted: 1/22/2008 7:32:51 PM | | I guess I have no room to talk really. But let's talk ratios....I've met 1 semi "normal" woman, for the lack of a better word. I've met 17 "bad" women, you do the math. The "normal" woman was a bit of a slob, but I did not think her a rapist, ax killer, machete artist etc...I think you're set the bar to high and one day it falls on your head, and from the sounds of it, it already has. Women are just as big a mess as men. I am guilty of being presumptious and generalizing, but I have good reason, and i'm at least NOT actively dating anyone, nor am I taking numbers etc. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 8:19:25 AM | LOL...
Another "Men are this... Women are that..." thread.
If men and women could be all sooo neatly put into nice tidy little boxes then that would make Life easy wouldn't it?
Well guess what? Things are a LOT more complicated than that. So get used to it!
I'm sorry for your plight OP... But I guess you've just been unlucky. So please don't lump me into your "Men are messes" box.  | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 2:20:40 PM | | I am very neat and clean. As my mother told me growing up, if you leave things lying on the floor , no one is going to pick them up for you. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 2:39:20 PM | I prefer a nice go between messy and neat, it freaks me out to see a place that is too neat. My ex was a neat freak and I know I am not.
my 2 cents | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 12:39:33 PM | | Actually ,,,,,,,I have a business venture and it is in cleaning and to be very honest with everyone the worst houses are women's,,,,,,,,,ask anyone of my employee's they would rather clean for a Man any ole day. That being said as long as it isn't so nasty that I can't walk in,,,,,and sit down or breath the air without being sick........I am happy if I like them.........Smiles Blue | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 12:51:38 PM | ^^^^
One lady I dated for a short while walked into my house for the first time, looked around and said " Oh my God, Your house is cleaner then mine, I'm not sure I can deal with that" Sadly I had seen her house and mine was cleaner ......  | |
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