| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 2:11:12 AM | I don't know if it should be illegal. I honestly don't care. Nobody can argue that it's not discriminatory though, because it is.
People want equality, then I'm all for it. That means no perks, either. Affirmative action? Most people instantly think "black folks." No, I'm white. But i'm female. It applies to me, too. I'll be damned if I ever get a job because I'm female. I want it because I was best qualified.
I don't need special treatment, so I'll also pay full price for my drinks, thanks. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 2:57:10 AM | For the quality of woman I am looking for, bars draw me no interest.
This guy is fighting the double standard of discrimination. If I went to bars why should i pay for a more expensive drink? Unless some chick buys me one -hmm why not?
Affirmative action is also discriminatory. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 5:01:39 AM | Affirmative action is also discriminatory
actually it is,... exactly what it's meant to be,.......an equallizer,....(IMHO)
and as far as I remember,...the only break we got on ladies night was the cut rate on the cover charge,...if drinks were cheaper,..I would have to agree with men who think it's unfair to get the same refreshments,...cheaper | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 6:16:40 AM | rp1973 said: Lets get rid of all these laws completely.
You said it! We have too many laws. Heck, if you don't like how a guy runs his business, don't patronize it. I can't believe the OP. He needs his n*ts cut out in mmy opinion. This is the kind of cr*p that has our court systems tied up and our lawyers getting richer. All I can say is "Get a Life".  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 6:28:24 AM | I don't have any problem with this at all.
Disadvantages: Women won't be able to drink for free. Men who come to pick them up may have to fork over money for drinks if they want to get them drunk.
Advantage: If women want free drinks, they'll have to find a man to buy it for them.
This is bad?
The above post is how absurd social behavior could become as long as we let this standard of behavior exist. I prefer the American way: First Come, First Serve. Everyone pays the same. To do so is to deny the great American principle of Egaliarianism. Get used to it. It's better for all of us. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 11:04:49 AM | My bar already has a ladies night, it's called a KARAOKE NIGHT, duh! Where people go to have fun and knock off for the night! Of course, all the feminists are gonna be complaining for me to go somewhere else, but they never live where I LIVE, where there IS NO more hangouts for at least ten miles, and definitely not as good. If a woman wants to go in a bar, that's HER right to decide, not for all the feminists to decide for her.
OH, YES, IT'S LADIES NIGHT, OH, WHAT A NIGHT! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 12:04:41 PM | "This is now a violation of law. I will now make it a point to visit as many ladies nights as I can every week. I’ll have my rights violated, then I’ll sue them in county court and collect my $500 (each time),’’ Horner said. "I feel it could net me $3,000 to $4,000 a week easy and I’m going to do it. It takes me five minutes to be discriminated against.’’
Discrimination my ass,is there any doubt what this is really about?
This guy has found a clever way to make a buck at the expense of society as a whole.
Let`s see now,what can we add to this insanity?
How about senior discounts?Yes it`s discriminatory,but do we as a society want to go there?
Children under a certain age getting cheaper admissions or no charge at all.There again,do we even want to go there?
Life insurance rates are cheaper for females,because they live longer.How about we equalize that one?This could really get out of hand.
This guy just needs to get laid 7 times a week, and then maybe he could come up with something better to do with his time.
Ladies you need to band together to stop this foolishness.
Instead of ladies night out,it should be everbody gets laid night.  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 12:58:09 PM | Packleader, that makes total sense about the senior discounts, children under a certain age who eat free, women drivers who get cheaper rates, if you are married you get cheaper insurance rates and if you are a non-smoker you get cheaper rates.
I now picture this guy walking into a Denny's and calling the police because he is being 'age discriminated' against, because they won't give him the senior discount or a free kids meal for those under 2. Maybe he will throw a fit about there being a childrens or seniors menu? Or maybe he is going to throw a tantrum to pay the child's fee for getting into the movies or the amusement park. Or maybe he will walk into the salon and demand to pay a higher price for his haircut to match that of a woman's salon? (Not!) I mean, after all some of these posts say that discrimination is discrimination....so be it sex, age, color, race, religion....
Good grief, I think he is angry at his wife for the divorce and he has displaced his anger on all women in general. The more I think about it, the more ridiculous this is. Seems he truely has nothing better to do. Maybe the money he makes off of other people will help him to be able to pay for his drinks. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 1:13:37 PM | | If someone owns a business they should be able to allowed to do with it what they want. It is their's and if you don't like it then don't go. If enough people don't like what the owner is doing, then the business will fail- problem solved. If enough people like what the owner is doing, then leave them alone and go elsewhere if you don't like it. This civil rights crap just goes too far sometimes. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 1:33:13 PM | Funny stuff
Clearly this man is bitter and is attacking those who have little to do with his problem. Sad indeed. I don't agree with his approach but he does make a valid point. On the other hand an interested bird will be me a drink where I come from ;)
... and BTW until females in general earn on average as much as the menfolk do this is a fair equalizer,...and yes I know some do but few and far between and if you doubt this statistic why not work for H&R Block for the tax season ,....you'll see for yourself,...
Marita, your statement along with Chinua's is based on misinformation. The pay inequity statistics you're both refering to state simply that men generally get paid more than women in various fields but not in the same jobs. For example men tend to get paid more in construction or health care but the fact that is often omitted is that there are more male formen on job sites compared to female flagpeople, more male doctors compared to female nurses, more male lawyers compared to female clerical assistants etc.
Your stats only consider the number of people in these situations and arrives at a stat without considering what each gender is actually doing. Consider this simple fact - if pay inequity truly did exist on the scale feminists say it does then why wouldn't every fortune 500 company hire only females in order to pay them $.72 vs $1 that they supposedly pay men?
As for paying more for hair make up and such we are all victims of our own vanity men included. I suggest you grow your hair and go au natural if the prices bother you. In the meanwhile enjoy your ladies only fitness clubs and one sided chivalry
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 2:20:11 PM | Marita, your statement along with Chinua's is based on misinformation. The pay inequity statistics you're both refering to state simply that men generally get paid more than women in various fields but not in the same jobs. For example men tend to get paid more in construction or health care but the fact that is often omitted is that there are more male formen on job sites compared to female flagpeople, more male doctors compared to female nurses, more male lawyers compared to female clerical assistants etc.
I could go into great detail to verify that although this is what we are supposed top believe,...
you know the whole same pay for same job,....it still isn't there yet,....
it's wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than it was,...say,...20 years ago,...but still not there yet,..
however before we go into that tangent,..I think we have to say that this is better discussed in an appropriate forum for this subject ,.... | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 2:46:08 PM | I don't really see how this has anything to do with feminism or descrimination against anyone.... after all it works out for everyone who walks through the door... girls get cheap drinks, boys get to hang out in a place with more girls, club makes more money and becomes a popular place to be. After all, isn't the idea of having a 'ladies night' simply a marketing strategy to get more people into the bar/club?
I'd venture to guess that if the same club had a usual crowd of more women than men and wanted to up their customer numbers they'd go for a boy's night special or maybe have special prices for drinks that men tend to order.
if they outlaw that, better outlaw all those sexy perfume & cologne ads and get the cheerleaders off the sports playing field as well! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 3:07:56 PM | TO the OP/////Just don't tip them when you buy a drink,,,,if you want to be that cheap. Have any of you been waiting to get into a bar where there are two line ups one for vip's/mostly women,,,,and one for just us,,lol,,,,
For those of you who don't know there are also certain occupations that donot pay a cover charge at bars either...Can you guess which ones????  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 3:13:39 PM | LOL firefighter... my guess is you don't pay the covers ;)
there are all kinds of special privileges in bars and clubs... i worked in rock clubs, in and around nyc for years, and was often on guest lists and was let into the vip rooms of other clubs by professional respect (quid pro quo)... and in the places where i worked, band members that played around town were more often than not let in free and/or given carte blanche... of course having a bar full of musicians (most of them men) brings more people in... especially the ladies... which brings in more guys... etc...
it's just biz.... | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 3:26:11 PM | Ladies night definitely is discrimination against men.
If a woman can complain and get let into a men's only golf club, cub scouts etc. then she certainly shouldn't get free cover and half price drinks at a night club.
In fact, lets keep it legal, and lets let the men's only golf club have gent's night all year round, but charge a $100 cover fee every time the ladies want to come in.
Same concept no? | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 3:26:23 PM | Ladies night definitely is discrimination against men.
If a woman can complain and get let into a men's only golf club, cub scouts etc. then she certainly shouldn't get free cover and half price drinks at a night club.
In fact, lets keep it legal, and lets let the men's only golf club have gent's night all year round, but charge a $100 cover fee every time the ladies want to come in.
Same concept no? | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 3:28:57 PM | Just more of that double standard
Just try and make anything a "Men's" only something and
watch the back-lash!
I'm not against discrimination, because I believe in free choice,
and free speech! I'm just against double standards! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 3:45:16 PM | worldcoast:
i dont' know that it's really the same concept... the club in question isn't for women only, it's simply got a night that women get a special deal. and the men may have to pay to get in, and pay regular prices for their drinks due to the fact that the club is taking a cut in income to get more ladies in there, which the men surely enjoy PLUS the men don't have to worry about spending the extra money to buy drinks for women (duh!) and everyone is happy in the end.
i'm sure the men get at least one on the house for paying the cover charge, that's a normal policy in most places on such nights, thus insuring that the men won't be hanging out and freeloading or getting girls to buy their drinks cheap (as many are wont to do), but that they at least pay for one drink.
anyone who doesn't like the deal doesn't have to go there on that particular night... pretty simple choice to make.
IMHO...
this guy has a personal vendetta against women probably (?) because his ex-wife was a regular customer at their local spots on ladies night:
"Ladies Night is now illegal,’’ said Horner, a 59-year-old corporate speaker, who says he’s been on an anti-feminist crusade since his wife left him with two young children several years ago and he regularly encountered discrimination against men.
plus, and more to the point, he's found a great way to make some easy money probably feeling vindicated, in some kind of weird, way for being left by a woman every time he cashes a check:
"This is now a violation of law. I will now make it a point to visit as many ladies nights as I can every week. I’ll have my rights violated, then I’ll sue them in county court and collect my $500 (each time),’’ Horner said. "I feel it could net me $3,000 to $4,000 a week easy and I’m going to do it. It takes me five minutes to be discriminated against.’’
civil rights my bootie! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 6:35:58 PM | Louis; I wasn't saying all jobs; and I wasn't comparing nurses to drs., or foremen to flagpeople. Its funny that you mention flagpeople- because I used to be one........ and men do get paid more- at least where I worked. My mom was a nurses aide- and men got paid more.
As for ladies only gyms?? I don't go to them- I'm an ex bodybuilder, so I lift weights more than 10lbs. One gym that I worked out at had a ladies only section- and I actually complained about it because they had machines that weren't available to the men. Haircuts?? the cheaper places are men only barbershops- men only everyday!! not just one day!!!! there are hairdressers that serve men and women- and the mens haircuts are cheaper. No, I don't go there.
The guy who started all this wants revenge against women; he doesn't care about kids getting cheaper meals; or free flights. Next up will be the ladies only gyms. I think that even if you make those gyms available to men; they won't go anyway.
btw; I don't go to bars. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 6:59:07 PM | I could go into great detail to verify that although this is what we are supposed top believe,...
you know the whole same pay for same job,....it still isn't there yet,....
So let me understand this; ladies are broke-ass people who would not
otherwise afford a glass of beer so the men have to reduce a few
bucks off their tab just so we can have an opportunity to get 'em
drunk and have our way with them?
As for ladies only gyms?? I don't go to them- I'm an ex bodybuilder, so I lift weights more than 10lbs. One gym that I worked out at had a ladies only section- and I actually complained about it because they had machines that weren't available to the men.
I go to Fitness World in Burnaby...we have a co-ed change room Wednesday and
Saturday.....maybe ladies night would work there? You know, more men will
come to check out that hottie undressing? hmmm LOL....I'm bad!
It all sounds weird to me.....maybe because I don't drink either except when
it gets lonely and I stare out the window at the rain while craddling a bottle
of tequila with tears in my eye's....contemplating my regrets. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 7:18:30 PM |
the cheaper places are men only barbershops- men only everyday!! not just one day!!!! there are hairdressers that serve men and women- and the mens haircuts are cheaper. No, I don't go there.
bad example.We dont buy the same service.
Men are either bald or need trimming only - and not the complex hair dues women want but don't need. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 7:27:47 PM | There are only two different types of people on this planet... Male and Female. Otherwise, we all come from the same stock. This is just a simple fact. If people were considered equal, regardless of color, race, religion, origin of birth, etcetera, etcetera, ad naseum... Males and Females would still be different.
While I think it is wrong that a green person should be charged differently for drinks than a purple person, I don't think it's terrible that a woman be offered a discount for drinks, one night a week.
Historically, the world has been a male dominated society. Male politicians, male priests, male doctors, male lawyers, male soldiers, male... blah blah blah... The role of females has been that of support. Mostly I think it's because men are big babies and they want a woman to comfort them. Finally women are starting to stick up for themselves and telling guys to stand on their own two feet and get their own cup of coffee. Oh, and guys? While you're at it, get the women some too.
I would completely agree that paying a woman differently than a man for doing the same job is discriminatory and gender biased... However, ladies night is NOT discriminatory in my books. It's a marketing gimmick. The owners are selling a product and setting a price on the product. You don't like their price? Don't buy the product... Simple as that. If ladies nights were not well attended at bars yet other nights were... You can bet that ladies nights wouldn't exist anymore.
Guys? If you do choose to attend a ladies night and notice that women are up dancing with other women (and looking hot doing it), consider the extra you pay as an entertainment charge. Or... Consider the discount for the ladies as incentive for them to get drunk, get up, dance, and entertain you.
We all know women wouldn't pay extra for watching some drunk guy get up and dance. I think that solves the riddle of why there's no men's nights at the bar. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 7:30:49 PM | Funny how we used to have a ladies' night, but we had male strippers, no men allowed till after 11 (when the guys were done), yet they stopped it because some of the women in town thought it was disgusting..Of course, they never closed the strip joint down that is two blocks away...
Maybe this has nothing to do with the original post; I just felt the urge to ****... | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 7:34:07 PM |
We all know women wouldn't pay extra for watching some drunk guy get up and dance. I think that solves the riddle of why there's no men's nights at the bar.
omg, what an image that has put in my head... i'm in stitches!!!
i can't think of a better argument for the defense of ladies nite vs. men's nite!! | |
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