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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 8:23:43 PM | I might get some flak on this one...To answer the question, No they shouldnt be illegal.
no, that wasnt the statement i was expecting the flak on...this is:
The world isnt fair. In certain circumstances it IS ok to discriminate between men and women. Yeah I know I cant believe I said it but I did so let me explain.... there are female only fitness clubs. There was a guy on the news a while back that was trying this same crap of suing because LadySpa wouldnt let him join. Fact is men and women are different. Men like women at fitness clubs. Men like a woman to watch them work out. Men like to hit on women in fitness clubs. Now there are women that just want to go to work out. Some dont mind the guys eyeballing them but some just want to be left in peace so they can work on their fitness. Fine with me. I have no objections to female only fitness clubs. I see NO point to have a male only club.
This site is free for all but most pay dating sites also are not fair. many are free for women but not for the men. women can email for free but the men cant. Why? because if the women had to pay they wont be as willing to join the site. Now since these sites already have about 25 men for every female member can you imagine the odds if they had to pay? there would be about 250 men for every women and the site would die as there would never be enough interest in keeping the site going. Same thing for nightclubs. More men and few women. So eliminate the cover charge so its cheaper for women to go out. Lower the price of their drinks so its also cheaper for them to go out and they can afford to go out more often.
Has nothing to do with giving them a financial break because women earn less than men. Yes, might be true in some cases but things have changed a lot and I know a lot of women that make more money than the men they are with. Its all about getting women into the bar or onto a website.
If you dont get women into the clubs and into the dating sites then the business will dry up. Men wont go to a bar if there arent any women there. (ok, yes there are bars that cater to the men interested in men crowd but you know what i mean).
Maybe these places should tell him its not because hes a man but because hes an ASS and thats why they are charging him more or keeping him out.
This guy is just an ass and he is on a crusade to prove it to the world.
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/7/2007 8:53:19 PM | This example just illustrates the absurdity of discrimination laws in general. You can't cry about discrimination and then start making exceptions based on the the history of discrimination against the particular group invloved
Lets get rid of all these laws completely. If a bar wants to charge $10 for white men, $2 for white women, $3.50 for blacks, and $15 for jews who cares. This should be up to the bar owner and no one else.
For the cases of discrimination that are an actual injustice we can use persuasion and social pressure. We do not need to pass laws or waist the courts time with such issues.
Ryan
Funny AND true.
This guy is just an ass and he is on a crusade to prove it to the world.
I think it's just some liberal that is finding an excuse to sue people. Discrimination is an easy card to play. | |
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chinua
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/9/2007 8:48:09 PM | about the haircuts.....mens haircuts aren't any easier than womens Men and women have hair of varying lengths; there is no reason to have different prices.
This guy just wants revenge- plain and simple. His wife was smart to leave. | |
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chinua
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/10/2007 8:29:43 AM | chinua,
My wife is a hair stylist. With the exception of the occassional long haired guy, men's cuts are easier then women's. But that's not why women pay more. Women pay more because they are more willing to spend more. If men had to pay $40-80 for a haircut a whole lot more men would be doing their own hair. Men go for cuts mostly....women go and get perms, color, highlights, etc....Stylists wouldn't charge women more if they wouldn't pay it.
"This guy just wants revenge- plain and simple. His wife was smart to leave"
I bet if the man leaves the woman with two kids to raise alone, you'd say he's a heartless irresponsible **stard. This woman pulls the same thing and you say she's smart to leave him and the kids behind. Now there's a double standard worth mentioning.
On topic...for me this is a non-issue. The guy admitted the bars he'd already busted have started up "Ladies Night" again so nothing is really accomplished. I don't frequent bars anymore but when I was single I looked for the Ladies Nights and hit that bar. If it got women in the door I didn't care what discrimination is taking place. Truth be told men have the upper hand in terms of discrimination forever so this is really no big deal. I'm sure that dude has women beating down his door after this story got out though. | |
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chinua
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/10/2007 11:01:50 AM | I went to hairdressing school- to me- no they weren't easier; so.......hairstylists are taking advantage of women?? discrimination........and how are mens cuts easier?? They usually get layered just like womens- and I will always argue- long hair is not harder to cut!!! - especially if its one length.Short hair is nitpickier; plus a lot of men also need clippers to clean up the hairline. There are still a lot of women with short hair. The only way it takes longer is if you blow dry. I never get my hair blow dried. And we aren't talking about perms and colour(which a lot of teen boys get) its about cuts. I pay $18 for mine; and the hairdresser has years of experience.
As for the guys wife and kids- I thought she took the kids.If she left them- whats he doing hanging around bars trying to get discriminated against? Why isn't he with his kids? He also bragged about the money he got- so he's in it for the money too. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/10/2007 11:19:22 AM | "Ladies Night is now illegal,’’ said Horner, a 59-year-old corporate speaker, who says he’s been on an anti-feminist crusade since his wife left him with two young children several years ago and he regularly encountered discrimination against men."
Yes she did leave him with the kids. and according to the story he says it only takes about 5 minutes to get discriminated against so we can't really assume he's "hanging around in bars". Never said he wasn't in it for the money....single parents need all the financial help they can get right...or is that just single moms?
I don't think hairdressers are consciously taking advantage of women...i think it's just been standard practice ever since these salons started trying to woo male customers. There was a time when nearly all men went to the standard male barber with the red and white striped pole out front. Salons wanted to expand their customer base by attracting men...the best way to do that was make a mans cut no more expensive than what they were paying at the barber. Besides we're not talking a huge difference here...a few bucks.
I guess every hairdresser has their own opinions on what is more difficult..a male cut or a female one. I know my wife has said her male customers are much easier to deal with. The male customers tend to be more loyal too....less likely to run to another stylist. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/10/2007 1:01:40 PM | Oh, please. It sounds to me like the guy is bitter and miserable and can't stand to see other people happy. No wonder his wife left and took the kids! Who could be married to someone who would invest the time and energy it must have taken to do something this stupid?!? What a vindictive loser! And now he plans to frequent bars with the express intention of suing them? Oh, yeah, he's gonna be one popular dude - he'd get his ass tossed into a snowbank in a heartbeat if he tried that around here. I hope he spends any money he wins on hookers and booze and stays the hell off the streets.
If "Ladies Nights" weren't a popular way to get people into bars, do you really think they'd exist? Of course not. In fact, they probably ensure better sales because people will drink more (since it costs less,) and you know how it is - when people drink more, they forget to stop, so they drink even more! Nobody, male or female, goes to a bar to SAVE money. geez. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/10/2007 1:10:06 PM | with all the discrimation that that w@men have to put up with....this might be one of the few ways we get some kind of balance out in the system, and you want to take it away?
wow.......
why don't you concentrate on making the world a better, kinder place instead of whining about a few extra bucks at a club. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/10/2007 1:18:04 PM | We have a few clubs in my area that are 21 guys, 18 girls. I always thought that the 18-20 year old guys should be pissed, but if you twist something the right way, you can get away with it. In any case that's a more legitimate discrimination case than the ladies night thing.
I have worked nearly all facets of the nightclub industry for years and the bottom line is this: Most women are out to be out, most men are out looking for women. Men drive the industry because they are the ones who spend money...not on women, but more in general. Women are more frugile and need more reason to go out than the bar just being there.
If men would just go out to drink and leave and didn't care if there were women out, then bars wouldnt care if women showed up...pretty simple.
If bars/clubs can get the ladies in before 9 pm, they can guarantee the men will follow, and the men spend - that's where the profit is. I agree with the poster who said it's dumb to go after the club for this because it will cause all bar owners to fear being sued for discrimination, and when they all drop the discount drinks, cover charges, and roses at the door (or whatever each place does) for ladies the ladies will all just stay home. Then this stunard will just have less of a chance to get laid (or at least have something female to look at from across the dance floor) while drinking with his friends. Pretty dumb.
Now granted if they had a men's night out somewhere where a group of hot men (the regular ones are already out most nights) got deals to go a certain place once a week, I'd be there to check it out, but then again I am not like most women.
Funny how we used to have a ladies' night, but we had male strippers, no men allowed till after 11 (when the guys were done), yet they stopped it because some of the women in town thought it was disgusting..Of course, they never closed the strip joint down that is two blocks away...
This reminds me, another place you can see men and women are different is strip clubs. Male strippers either appear once a week in a nightclub for two or three hours, or they appear in a female strip club as a revue once a month or so. There are almost no stationery male stripper clubs that cater to women (gay clubs are the exception, and a lot of women end up having bachelorettes in gay clubs on a male stripper night). If men and women were the same, there would be at least the same number of 7 day/night male stripper clubs as female. | |
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chinua
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/10/2007 2:43:42 PM | It may take only 5 min. to get discriminated against- but it takes longer than that to make a complaint in a lawyers office; and to go to court.I wonder how much money it cost him? I wonder if his kids get teased about it?
I bet he's really popular. | |
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chinua
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/11/2007 11:40:26 AM | | ............................................................................................................................what post?? you mean this thread? I think this thread proves that there is a bitter man out there.....wasting the courts time. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/13/2007 1:15:32 PM | I worked in a bar as a doorman for a few years in college.
The idea of ladies night is very simple;
If you offer ladies free cover charge, there is a chance they will pick your bar over a competitor's bar if said competitor is not having ladies night that evening.
If you get ladies in your bar, men will follow, and most men in bars spend money. In allot of cases, allot of it.
It has nothing to do with discrimination or preference, but like every-thing else in buisness, dollars and cents.
Another tactic is waving your regulars through the line without paying. (men and women)
Its to encourage them to come back and drop their cash in your establishment. The people we waved through on a regular basis either spent allot of money at the bar, or were attractive women who attracted men to the bar.
Not charging people and waving them through a line makes them feel privledged and brings them back, and it works.
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/13/2007 1:54:33 PM |
In response to msg 4... then it just makes it cheaper for the gals to buy the guys a drink, and as women typically will earn less on the payscale, it just gives some of them an opportunity to buy the guys drinks for a change LOL geesh guys quit complaining lol :) Besides if they stop ladies nights, then the wet t-shirt contests will be the next to go
Now that's my kind of gal!!
They can avoid the discrimination charge by having a "dudes night" and providing equal time for the poor SOB's that can't handle the promotional attraction and attention of all of those fine women who would be so kind to buy them a drink if they'd just shut up. They could even shoot an instructional video that would explain how they could "GET A LIFE!," and run it every week on "Dude's night." (affectionally called "loser's night" by those with more experience.) | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/22/2007 8:45:12 AM | Men don't get a night out. We have to work in the morning anyway, to pay for your next shopping trip.
Blatant and obvious sex discrimination against men has already been ruled constitutional by our supreme court of Canuckistan. (Joe average versus the car Insurance Company's)
Feminists, a swell bunch of lads. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/22/2007 11:19:14 AM | I don't go to bars, but is the issue, the owner charges differently based on one's sex?
Clearly that's discriminatory and offensive.
A clever owner, would re-work the charges to achieve the same result based on the differing drinking habits of men and women, and not openly admit to any 'gender bias', but appear to be charging them a similar rate.
E.G. A cover charge of $2 for ladies and $5 for men, but, the ladies have to pay double for any drinks. On the face of it, the men have a heck of a deal. But, in practice, the men will end up paying much more, because they drink so much more, and most ladies would be content with just a couple of drinks or so. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 1/22/2007 11:41:36 AM | Wow, read some posts from a certain profile.... can you say way uptight, bitter, harshly- opionionistic middle aged man !! lol I rarely ever go to any bars but if ladies' nights were such a bad thing, why are ladies' still going and better yet, why do the men go??? LOL | |
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