| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/29/2007 6:45:54 AM | i cut my own hair, it's exceedingly cheaper and i don't have to travel and PAY to have it done, also i really disagree that it's the same service, clippers and a plastic bag to catch the hair is very different then an hour with scissors and a comb. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/29/2007 7:06:49 AM |
No excuse for it.
What there is no excuse for is you starting a thread on the same topic in off topics forumn as thats against the rules...
On topic...
A business has the right to run it the way they want as it is their investment...
You don't like it, don't do business there... | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/29/2007 7:08:22 AM | | It's simple business...more women equal more men...men buy way more booze then women. No, not buying the women drinks either. Men just drink more!! This is as retarded as the clowns wanting to work at Hooters as waitresses. They sued because Hooters only hires a certain type of GIRL. Duh!!! Just another bunch of victims. With so many other problems in our country these a$$clowns fight for the stupidest things!!! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/29/2007 8:56:12 AM | If 'Ladies' Nights' at the clubs were illegal, there would be absolutely NO incentive for guys to even go.
Locally, Ladies' Night are the ONLY nights of the week it's even theoretically worthwhile going to those places, they are otherwise DEAD and/or full of nothing but guys.
Drinking.
Waiting for women. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/29/2007 8:25:20 PM | Well, all the men who are insulted by ladies night should boycott the bars, then they'll go broke on cheap drinks for the girls!
Really, I mean come on, Ladies night is good for business and it's good for meeting new people. Ladies night is for the guys, not the girls! Girls get cheap drinks, guys meet more girls, everyones happy. I don't see what the big deal is. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/30/2007 5:21:06 AM | | oh women why is it just business you see? i would think a woman would be more offended by discrimination itself? or is it only when happening to you? think of every single discriminatory act to women in life, started from simple acts of ignorance. from the work place to public services. when did grey areas come to stuff that is wrong. women will go to clubs regardless of ladies night or not. so they will be less than normal | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/30/2007 10:24:36 AM | Like I said originally, I personally don't care about ladies nights. Go ahead and have 'em, can't say I have a problem with it. Nevertheless, if they're made illegal, don't kid yourselves, women are still going to go to the bar.
Now, if the situation was reversed though , I wonder, would some of the people posting in this thread still think it was totally non-discriminatory ? I doubt it. Maybe let's have "Men's night" at the mall. That's right, every Thursday, men pay half for their first item of clothing. After all, that way shops that usually cater to women would see more business from men. Those businesses already know that the women are gonna show up so it only makes sense to offer something to entice men to come on down and peruse their wares. But let me guess "That's different". | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/30/2007 11:23:00 AM | I don't like femenists either but I love ladies nights! Becuase the booze is chepaer for women it draws mroe women intop the club. What they should tdo if have a ladies night where if you buy a drink for a lady her drinks are cheaper. Femenism should ahve diesd out now that things are mroe on a levle playing field. Wht's their next goal? hmm equal pay maybe? But there are many female CEO's out there. Some women make more money than men in certain industries such as the porn Industry. And some places like clothing stores don;t even want to hire men. So what's the point of femenism? The point is hating men and gaining superiority and yelling discrimmination. just like any group claiming diescrimmination with an ism at the end of it. but back to my point Ladies night is awsome! I don't want to be in a sausage fest. keep the hot dog to the bun ratio even.  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/30/2007 11:37:25 AM | | its your chocie to go to the beauty salon to get your hair cut you want an 8 dollar hair cut go to a barber, it is diescrimmination but that is up to people how they want to deal with it. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/30/2007 12:04:48 PM | The haircut example as a counter argument to this is null and void. When a girl spends more on a haircut it is because they are spending more time in the place, more specialised work is needed and so the labour costs for a haircut are the same. If women were going in, having a 5-10 minute haircut and then leaving then sure they could pay the same as guys. The "typical" (sorry, couldnt think of a better word) female haircut will involve more work cutting the hair as well as washing, colour etc etc etc. A "typical" male haircut can be 10 minutes from enterring the place to leaving.
Compare that to a drink at a bar, it takes the same amount of time (and therefore labour) to make a drink for a guy or a girl, the drink itself costs the same and they are in the same place with the same costs to run. Then why should there be a difference in the price that a customer pays based on whether they have a willy or not?
Personally I will actively avoid any establishment that uses "Ladies nights" as they are both discriminatory and sexist. Lots of the responses I saw here on the first page seem to say that it's ok to get the ratio of men to women more equal. I say bullcrap to that! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 12/30/2007 12:33:34 PM | Thanks miss cottonblossom
I just don't see why sex should have anything to do with the price paid for the same thing. No doubt there will be someone here who tries to argue that although I think I have covered pretty much all the bases | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/12/2008 12:36:11 PM | I don't patronize those establishments. They say it " benefits men". That is something very subjective. What constitutes " benefit" depends on the man. What it might be? eye candy?, getting a dance? , getting a phone number?, getting laid that night??
In my view, whatever it is to a man, benefit is something that is " guaranteed". None of this is guaranteed for my money. Is not guaranteed that I'm getting a phone number, so I don't see any " benefit " for me. If I want to see eye candy, I can go to the beach or the mall for that and is free. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/12/2008 4:14:53 PM | | It should be an establishment's owner's right to run the business as he/she sees fit. That includes charging what he/she wants to whom he/she wants. The govt. needs to stay out of it. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/12/2008 4:42:20 PM |
It should be an establishment's owner's right to run the business as he/she sees fit. That includes charging what he/she wants to whom he/she wants. The govt. needs to stay out of it.
No, it is NOT the owner's right to run as he/she sees fit ! Are you living in the 1950's?? So it is the owner's " right" to charge Black people less than White people, or whatever?? Is not even a right, it is a privilege, like driving a car. The government=the people, which = taxpayers, who are the ones who pay the health/liquor license inspectors to check the place for violations.
This Ladies Night BS is illegal in California,Oregon, Michigan, Hawaii and Iowa, and it should be illegal in the whole United States ! You might own the bar/club, but that doesn't make it " private". If the business is open to the public ( that is, anyone can show up at the door), then it is a business of PUBLIC ACCOMODATION ! That is, all its patrons should be charged equally regardless of race, color, ethnicity, national origin,religion,sexual orientation and SEX ! Age is not included, because age is not a protected class, because it is a MUTABLE CHARACTERISTIC, that's why Senior citizen discounts are legal in California. Sex is not " mutable".
I recommend you take a class of basic law. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/12/2008 4:54:47 PM | It seems petty at first glance because we are so socialized to it.
A business has the right to run it the way they want as it is their investment...
You don't like it, don't do business there...
And many see it this way ^^^. But fundamentally it is no different that let's say a fast food chain advertising different price lists by ethnicity ..... yano to encourage more crackers to be patrons.
The real oddity is that it is an anti-feminist rattling this cage. Shouldn't it be some butch buzzcut feminist demanding her right to be treated just like the guys instead? Maybe equality is only an issue when the inequality doesn't work in your favour. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/12/2008 5:39:27 PM |
A business has the right to run it the way they want as it is their investment...
Stupid argument. If this is true then how come we have laws requiring handicap access? Because to not provide access to all is discrimination!
How come men only health clubs were deemed discriminatory and illegal?
Any time access is restricted or you are penalized based on gender, race, creed, religion etc. it is discrimination and IS illegal.
Next you will be saying its ok to have businesses that say "No coloreds" or "No Jews" or "No Whites." Pure stupidity.
I owned a bar and sold it successfully. Having never had a ladies night I can tell you that if you do things right, women will come. If women come, men will come. Having a ladies night is the easy way out.
And any woman who utilizes such entrapments looses their right to complain or petition for equal pay. You can't have your cake and eat it too. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/12/2008 7:16:48 PM | When a man enter one of these bar/clubs, he is subsidizing all those women that got in for free. I'm not subsidizing any stranger woman that I don't know, I don't have any gurantees of anything. They say it is a " win-win" situation for both men and women, bull*, it's just a win-win situation for the club/bar owner and the women.
The message is " if you're a broke man, you don't need to come, but if you're a broke woman, you are welcome anyways, vagina is a commodity high in demand".
This is the formula.
perceived benefit + no guarantee= scam.
It has to do with American culture. The American men have placed the " vagina in the pedestal", thus creating the mess that we have now. I've been to other countries, they don't have these practices, and women go anyways. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/13/2008 1:52:16 PM | No, it is NOT the owner's right to run as he/she sees fit ! *part of post snipped for brevity* I recommend you take a class of basic law.
I recommend you take a class of basic reading comprehension. I never said it is the owner's right - I said it *should* be the owner's right. Take note of the word *should*. It is my opinion that an establishment owner *should* have the right to run his/her business as s/he sees fit. If s/he doesn't want to make it wheelchair accessible, then that should be their prerogative. Same if they only want to serve blacks, whites, yellows, greens. Would you want to patronise an establishment that would really rather not serve you based on your race, ability, gender etc? I wouldn't. Let the bigots be known so I can go to a place where the owner is not one (a bigot).
There is way too much govt. intrusion into our lives. We do not need to live in a nanny state. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/13/2008 6:08:22 PM | It sounds like the court ruling was correct in that "ladies night" does discriminate. There are tons of examples of these sorts of unfair practices. For example, women often can join dating internet sites free of charge whereas men are charged. Hey, you girls wanted equal rights and pretty soon you will have them.
I personally do not want much of any government in my face and particularly not in my business affairs. I should be able to hire who I want and run it as I like. I paid for it, not the government. BUT, since government is in our face, women need to get used to it just as the rest if us have had to get used to it -- all in the name of "fairness." | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/13/2008 6:34:31 PM | if all the man wants to do is drink, then he has a point  . most ladies nite offers are marketing ploys to attract a singles crowd. not everyone goes to a bar just to drink. maybe they need a separate section for serious drinkers only--offer a discount for volume. maybe even take out! 
ps hospitals have it in reverse. it's hard to attract men to take avail of prevention services. often the wife has to drag the man to the hospital. so all sorts of outreach services must be devised and get taylored and offered to men--especially with the divorce rate soaring. geeze maybe women can sue and get a free prostate exam ALSO as the investments in these outreach attempts may far exceed the marketing efforts geared to women. what about all those executive gyms, not offered to the common peon? etc. etc.
i think people need to look below the surface! is it the women who benefit the most or the men? i like the win-win situation above. just let the women buy you the drinks. you can pay her back under the table if you want equality in all things. by that i mean hand her the money under the table. | |
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