| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:18:06 PM |
I recommend you take a class of basic reading comprehension. I never said it is the owner's right - I said it *should* be the owner's right. Take note of the word *should*. It is my opinion that an establishment owner *should* have the right to run his/her business as s/he sees fit. If s/he doesn't want to make it wheelchair accessible, then that should be their prerogative. Same if they only want to serve blacks, whites, yellows, greens. Would you want to patronise an establishment that would really rather not serve you based on your race, ability, gender etc? I wouldn't. Let the bigots be known so I can go to a place where the owner is not one (a bigot)
There is way too much govt. intrusion into our lives. We do not need to live in a nanny state.
Thankyou for making a fool out of yourself clearer for us, and I think you *SHOULD* have the right to take a time machine back to the 1950's, since you *SHOULDN'T* belong in the 21st century.
PS: move to Saudi Arabia. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:24:55 PM |
Hmmmm....The "Gentlemen clubs" will be next I'm sure....
This is all so riDICKulous!
What " Gentlemen's Club" got do do with anything here??
This makes me wonder who is ridiculous here??
Is this Paris Hilton?? | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/13/2008 10:31:46 PM | Okay... so basically this Steve Horner character is projecting his bitterness of a failed marriage onto the concept of "ladies night"... not to mention his intention to purposefully seek out other night clubs' ladies nights to supplement his income? If he is so passionate about his cause, the money would be no consideration... in fact, it would be insulting and unwelcome. He should "suffer for his art" if he wants to quell free enterprise...  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 6:59:52 AM | | No, ladies night should not be illegal....this PC fascism is going way overboard....any man who is against Ladies night is a bitter little man....Why can't club owners show their appreciation for all the lovely ladies who frequent their establishments? | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:05:40 AM |
No, ladies night should not be illegal....this PC fascism is going way overboard....any man who is agaisnt Ladies night is a bitter little man....Why can't club owners show their appreciation for all the lovely ladies who frequent their establishments?
Dude, I used to live in Japan for 3 years and other countries as well, and they don't have any gimmick that charges women less or pay nothing at all, and women still go. Japanese men don't put the " vagina on a pedestal" , there is no need for it. That is the reason why most American women are so stuck up and snobbish nowdays. They always be expecting to get " entitlements".
American women are making money now. I have a male friend that makes 10 dollars an hour, why some stuck up woman that makes 30 dollars and hour can get in for free while he can't?? Are you willing to tear up the Constitution just club/bars want to make money off desperate losers???
American men need to to travel the world and observe. They should stop putting the " vagina on a pedestal".
If American women stop going to nightclubs if it isn't forfree, so be it. The " penis-tease" industry might collapse, but the economy will survive. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:47:36 AM | I agree it SHOULD be the owner's tright to tun his/her establishment as they see fit. There are plenty of nightclubs/bars that have Ladies nights, college nights, gay night etc...I personally wouldn't go to a bar on college night and that's by choice. So why should a "man" take offense of a ladies night? go elsewhere, it's that simple. It amazes the hell out of me as to how much time some really do have to **** and complain about something so minute and to think these lawmakers listened and incorporated what I feel a ridiculous law....
lol@putting the vagina on a pedestal....a very clever remark if I may add but also somewhat bitterlike...
~Queen Elizabeth~ | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:54:44 AM | No way.
Heck...sometimes it takes something like that to get women into bars. Otherwise lots are filled with lonely men wishing it were ladies night.
Errr...not that I know first hand mind you. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:52:43 AM | | Oh, no! I was looking forward to my senior discount, but that would be discriminatory. What about Kids eat for free? What about the matinee price at the movies...? That is predudice to those who work regular hours., is it not? BTW/ ladies nite can be just as obliging for a transvestite w/ a penis. After all, he considers himself a lady, so it's not really sexual discrimination. It's more like a dress code. Take that to court, barkeeps! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 10:25:18 AM |
Oh, no! I was looking forward to my senior discount, but that would be discriminatory. What about Kids eat for free? What about the matinee price at the movies...? That is predudice to those who work regular hours., is it not? BTW/
Ok, are you a lawyer?? Didn't you see the part where I said that Age is NOT a protected class in the cosumption of goods and services?? mmm...and why is that you may ask?? because AGE IS MUTABLE, SEX ISN'T.
Let me break it down to you " Barney Style", so you get to understand it better....
1) if you have a pair of twins, one male and one female. When they are 5 year old, BOTH can get " kiddie specials at Dennis, etc".
2) when they turn 18, BOTH can sign for themselves and buy cigarrettes.
3) when they're both 21, the male has to pay at a club, but the female twin can get in " for free" because she has a vagina.
4) when both reach 65, BOTH can get senior citizens discounts , but the female twin, still can get in for free to a club/bar, while the male twin STILL has to pay.
see the difference now?? Don't be comparing apples with oranges.
matinee prices at the movies?? yes, sue the s* out of them.
transgenders? well, the bouncer can go off what by their State ID says " Well, here says that you're a male, so you'll have to pay buddy ! ". What you're doing is validating my point on why everybody should be charged the same. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:14:50 AM | gee caesar. It doesn't bother me one bit. Personally I'm ALL in favor of ladies nights.
I pay the same prices regardless and if a discount brings in the ladies...so much the better. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:23:24 AM | ^Well that's the crux of the matter right there : do ladies nights actually bring in the women ?
Nope. Go ahead and ask all your female friends if they're going to stop going to bars if ladies-nights are eliminated. Yeah, I'm sure they're all going to become tea-totellers and enjoy book clubs on Friday nights instead of getting hammered at the bar so that they can save five bucks. Of course, 'all' is approximately two women in this case and the rest of the female population is going to go right on doing what they've always done anyway.
This idea must have been dreamed up back when women generally had far less money. Well those days are gone so if women aren't going to stop partying then what reason is there to give them a break exactly ? I mean, using the economic rationale, we should be having "Poor Night !" so that people with no cash can keep on drinking into the wee hours. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:26:49 AM | Pulse,
Maybe not in Manitoba, but Yes here where I live I see "Thursdays" more filled with woman. Could be a coincidence, but I don't think so. Like offering $2 pitchers of bud. Gonna be a guy thing more than for women so is that also discriminatory? All I can say is what I've seen and Ladies nights tend to bring out more women than non-ladies nights. People still like a deal. 1/2 price drinks is better than paying full price.
However, some posters here are getting their panties in a bunch over THIS???
Silly. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:09:32 PM | This guy is an A$$.
This is in no way an abridgement of his rights. If more men would show up and spend their money if they offered cripples, jews or gay cheap alcohol to get them drunk they would do it.
Men like to go to bars where the women are, especially if they are getting a little tipsy.
Nothing to do with this guy, who all women should stay away from anyways. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 3:44:23 PM |
This is in no way an abridgement of his rights. If more men would show up and spend their money if they offered cripples, jews or gay cheap alcohol to get them drunk they would do it.
You do realise every one of your examples are both bigotted and illegal right?
It doesn't upset me but realistically this is a practice intended to fleece men in an illegal manner.
Personally I look for a bar with reasonable prices and a good atmosphere. Say 4 times cost for drinks, at 8 times cost and up(not uncommon in "subsidized establishments") you could stack a hole to the roof with pu$$y but I still wouldn't give them any business as cheap bar sluts haven't interested me since my early 20's. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:45:40 PM | It's not really fair to say that people are over-reacting to this. Nor is it fair to call the OP bitter or whatever. He may well be but he does raise a valid point.
It was Gloria Steinem of all people who said that if you want to know if something is sexist , all you have to do is reverse the sexes in any particular situation. So with that said, reverse the situation and explain the logic. Let's say that now it's men that get the free pass on Friday nights or whatever day you choose. Now explain why you did that.
So on Thursdays, women don't go to bars unless they're free to get in to. I find this to be a rather silly proposition. If you can afford to go to the bar at all, you can find five bucks to get into the establishment. Otherwise there's only two possibilities : Women are going to the bar with no money on Thursdays (and that means they're expecting somebody else to buy them drinks all night) or they're not drinking to begin with but rather simply hanging around. So are women actually just cheap, money sucking users on Thursday nights ? Yeah...I didn't think so either. Obviously if you get rid of ladies night on Thursday the women are still going to go to the bar if that's really what they want to do. The only thing that actually changes is that now they get equal treatment . Does anybody here have a problem with equal treatment for women ? Apparently so and oddly enough, it looks like it's split about 50/50 between men and women. Go figure.
I guess maybe you haven't come such a long way after all baby. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:45:22 PM | Caesar, how about addressing the points in my post instead of resorting to attacking me?
Gota, if bar owners want to have a "men's night", that would be perfectly fine with me. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:09:26 PM |
...I didn't think so either. Obviously if you get rid of ladies night on Thursday the women are still going to go to the bar if that's really what they want to do. The only thing that actually changes is that now they get equal treatment . Does anybody here have a problem with equal treatment for women ?
Gotapulse, I found like only one woman here that agrees with you . This is a scary thought. This validates my point, American women getting used to being placed " on a pedestal" by American men, thinking that they must have " entitlements".
A woman that agrees with this practice, tells you alot about her, her way of thinking. I stay away from them.
A man has a right to be a consumer of the " penis-tease " industry. If he thinks that paying cover charge while women don't, " benefits " him, so be it, but a man also has a right to demand equal accomdodation ( and age is not included here, keep in mind, no cigarettes until 18). into ANY BUSINESS HE WISHES TO GO TO. ( can't say " go somewhere else) . If a club owner fails to provide that equal accomodation, then he/she deserves to get sued. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:54:02 PM |
American women getting used to being placed " on a pedestal" by American men, thinking that they must have " entitlements". You've only now realized this? The ones who believe they are entitled to things, are often the same hypocrites screaming for "equality". Face the facts: true equality will never exist until people can resist greed and desire (in other words: never).
What I find funny is people taking advice from people like Oprah and Dr. Phil, 2 individuals who often have no personal experience with the topics they discuss. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 7:58:26 AM | | As a man, I think this is a waste of time by a bitter man who is angry with his ex-wife. More men go to night clubs than women and most men who go to nightclubs have nothing against ladies night if it means more women would come into the club for drinks. I don't want men and women to be identical. This person needs to let go of that chip on his shoulder. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 10:43:47 AM |
Gota, if bar owners want to have a "men's night", that would be perfectly fine with me.
Courts in some States, including California, have ruled that if a bar/club has a gentlemen's night, then it can be legal to have a ladies night. Obvioulsy, " penis" is not a hot commodity like " vagina", so clubs don't do this. This " ladies night practice" is kind of like prostitution, is selling sex to men.(for most part).
In California, as it stands, any club/bar must allow the same pricing as women to any man that shows up at the door, if the club fails to do so, they'll be subject to pay damages to the patron under the Unrulch Civil Rights Act.
The State of California is also the first State to allow single men to hire surrogates mothers for their reproductive choices, just like single women and couples.
Bravo California!  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 1:01:34 PM | I don't know about you Caesar, You seem to have this obsession with Vagina and pedastal's....I find this absolutely hilarious that this has become such a debate and on the same note find it sad that "Ladies night" is now being referred to as prostitution.
GET OVER IT!!!
PS: California has some wacked out laws anyway! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 2:59:20 PM | ^I don't think you get it. Seriously.
From now on, Thursday nights are "Men get in free" night. You pay but the men don't have to. Hey, that's not discrimination based on sex after all.
Look, do you think women should be paid the same as men for the same work ? Do you think women should be banned from higher education ? Should women have the vote ? Now, should women be allowed to get special positive treatment for no reason at all except that they're women ?
I'm going to presume that you answered with four out of four affirmatives. If that's the case then that makes you a sexist. Yes, that's right : if you think women deserve special treatment above equal treatment then yeah, that's pretty much the dictionary definition of sexism.
Better yet, let's try another tack here. You take your car to the mechanic. You pay normal prices. Unfortunately, men generally fix things themselves if they can where cars are concerned. Soooooooo.... since men don't use these places as often as women do, how about we give them %50 off the labour (just because they're men) to bring more men in ? They go home and tell their wives what a great place the garage was and the women spread the news.
Gee, I guess everybody wins in that case right ? Gosh, that sounds like sexism to me but hey, it's the garage owner's business and anybody who doesn't like it is just bitter. Let's extend the practise in fact. From now on, women get free 'extras' when they buy a PC. Men get the first two months free at womens' fitness facilities (which of course is another related matter but we'll skip it for now) Women pay half at sporting events and men get half the price of fashion accessories taken off at the register.
No, that's no good right ? Well, if you believe in equality then no, of course it's no good. If on the other hand you prefer a society of privileges doled out based on sex and sex alone then sure, it's just ducky.
So do you want privileges or do you want equality ? Can't have it both ways. So far, you want privileges and that sure doesn't sound like the sentiment of a modern independent women to me. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 3:08:06 PM | I've never been to a ladies night at a bar and can count on my ten fingers the time I've been in a bar- usually as a musician or a couple of times to play pool, so I don't have any first hand impressions either way about it. I guess if it feels discriminatory, then perhaps it is and should be rectified. I'm for equal rights for all, regardless what group or gender they're.
Concerning the following comments, however:
Japanese men don't put the " vagina on a pedestal" , there is no need for it. That is the reason why most American women are so stuck up and snobbish nowdays. They always be expecting to get " entitlements".
I do find it rather interesting that you who are complaining about a discriminatory practice is calling women "stuck up, snobbish and expecting entitlements. " Expecting equal rights "nowadays" is entitlements?
American women are making money now. I have a male friend that makes 10 [dollars an hour, why some stuck up woman that makes 30 dollars and hour can get in for free while he can't?? Are you willing to tear up the Constitution just club/bars want to make money off desperate losers???
Yes, women making more money, becoming higher educated or possibly working harder to get ahead professionally makes her "stuck up." Or are some people just threatened that there's been a shift in American society in regards to tradition and equality? Or is it that many class rooms now have a larger ratio of women over men and we've busted through some glass ceilings along the way?
"You've come a long way, baby."
American men need to to travel the world and observe. They should stop putting the " vagina on a pedestal".
I am SO excited to hear that my vagina is on a pedestal!!!!!!!!!!!! Why didn't someone inform me of this when I was younger? Dang, I wouldn't have worked as hard as I did...and used my apparent superhero powers.
Women don't need to resort to their vagina as they are strong, smart and hard working. For anyone who thinks all women are is a "vagina on a pedestal" I say it's one of the most insulting things I've read on this forum.
If American women stop going to nightclubs if it isn't forfree, so be it. The " penis-tease" industry might collapse, but the economy will survive.
Ladies Night out is a penis-tease industry? LOL! I was under the impression that would be the porn industry. Looks like I should get out more.
Courts in some States, including California, have ruled that if a bar/club has a gentlemen's night, then it can be legal to have a ladies night. Obvioulsy, " penis" is not a hot commodity like " vagina", so clubs don't do this. This " ladies night practice" is kind of like prostitution, is selling sex to men.(for most part).
Goodness gracious... Are you really this bitter towards women? If so, I actually feel badly that you're as it indicates you might have been very hurt in the past. Men and women are just men and women. In healthy relationships, there isn't a vagina on a pedestal or men groveling for her crumbs with his penis. People are just people getting by, ya know? | |
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