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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 3:36:06 PM | It's interesting that few to no women are willing to acknowledge their sense of entitlement. Maybe I wouldn't either if I had equality and preferential treatment. Why change a good thing?
I wonder how many women are lobbying to be included in the military draft?
I wonder how many women died to save their man when the titanic sank?
It's men that put the vagina on the pedestal, now try taking it down. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 3:54:58 PM | I work at a local casino, and we have a monthly ladies poker tournament. Last month a guy decided to enter, and after he talked with the tournament director and poker room manager, he was alowed to play in the tournament. He brought up all that discrimination stuff, and his rights as a patron etc, etc. But in the end, he was the only guy in the tournament, got knocked out early and ended up looking like an ass.
Just food for thought. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:00:09 PM |
It's interesting that few to no women are willing to acknowledge their sense of entitlement. Maybe I wouldn't either if I had equality and preferential treatment. Why change a good thing?
Genuine question as I'm truly puzzled: what sense of entitlement and preferential treatment do we have? Would someone please spell this out for me as I'm clueless?
I wonder how many women are lobbying to be included in the military draft?
Most feminists do, myself included. Don't forget the over 40,000 women who served in the Gulf War alone in all branches of the military and as of now there are fifty thousand females serving in Afghanistan and Iraq. Females make up about fifteen percent of the army.
Interesting that many women have had to take to court their desire to serve in full capacity in the U.S armed forces as demonstrated by the The case United States v. Virginia (1996), in which the Supreme Court ordered that the Virginia Military Institute allow women to register as cadets, gave women soldiers a weapon against laws which (quoting J. Ruth Bader Ginsburg) “[deny] to women, simply because they are women, full citizenship stature—equal opportunity to aspire, achieve, participate in and contribute to society.”
Guess they're all sitting around waiting for their entitlements and vagina on a pedestal to carry them through life, eh?  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:09:48 PM |
Most feminists do, myself included.
Got any proof? Women fight for their right to serve, IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. They are not fighting to be included against their will (draft), they're entitled to that preferential treatment.
You quoted me, but chose not to reply to the quote??? | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:24:42 PM |
Got any proof? Women fight for their right to serve, IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. They are not fighting to be included against their will (draft), they're entitled to that preferential treatment.
What kind of proof are you looking for? As a feminist whose pro female draft and interacts with many other feminists and forums who also are, I told you my personal opinion and what I personally think about it. Here's just one feminist blog that addressed it, but there's many more:
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/ff-acfp-the-military/
How do you know for certain what we are or aren't fighting for? Wait: I thought females wanting "preferential treatment" was bad, but now this one is acceptable?
You quoted me, but chose not to reply to the quote???
Sorry, not following you here. I did respond to you. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:43:23 PM | First of all, why do you dislike women so much? Threatened?
Women fight for their right to serve
Um, you were talking being drafted. I would fight for everybody to have the right now to be drafted. I BELIEVE it is WRONG to require anybody to go out and kill, mame, or to support a corrupt government.
Women pay more to get our clothes dry cleaned. We pay more to get our hair cut.
What makes you think you are so entitled to go without PMS and cramps?
Give me a break. Im guessing you havent gottne any in a while.
You are just an angry misogynist. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:57:11 PM | Wow...I believe men and women should get equal pay fpr equal work. I believe that women should not get "cheated" when they take their cars in to the shop. That they should not pay $60 to get their hair cut.
So...why doesn't "ladies night" at the local club or bar bother me as much as other guys here?
Maybe I have more important things to worry about? Shrug. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 7:21:01 PM |
I do find it rather interesting that you who are complaining about a discriminatory practice is calling women "stuck up, snobbish and expecting entitlements. " Expecting equal rights "nowadays" is entitlements?
Stillwater
I've never said anything about jobs, voting, etc.( equal rights) This thread is not about this. Sex-base price differentiation IS taken as an entitlement by many women. From the comments that I've seen here, like " why men are whining? they should be grateful that we came here, blah blah blah"), what do you call that? I'm not blaming women, I'm blaming men. There are alot of men there that are doormats too, you add up all these, and what you get? stuck up, snobbish women. It has nothing to do with career,etc.
Yes, women making more money, becoming higher educated or possibly working harder to get ahead professionally makes her "stuck up." Or are some people just threatened that there's been a shift in American society in regards to tradition and equality? Or is it that many class rooms now have a larger ratio of women over men and we've busted through some glass ceilings along the way?
Ok, when I said " stuck up woman making 30/hr", I didn't mean that she is " stuck up" precisely because she makes " 30/hr". Any woman can be " stuck up" if she works at MacDonald's or she is a CEO of a company. A woman making 30/hr, stuck up or not, shouldn't be getting in for free while men making minimum wage are paying. Everybody should be paying or getting in for free.
Ladies Night out is a penis-tease industry? LOL! I was under the impression that would be the porn industry. Looks like I should get out more.
What I define as the " penis-tease industry" are businesses like clubs/bars that have sex-base price differentiations, phone sex lines and strip clubs. IMO, a man that likes phone sex is pathetic, but that's his choice, and the difference is that phone sex and strip clubs are legal, while sex-based price differentiations isn't, under all anti-discrimination laws in the U.S
I don't include porn as " penis-tease" industry because is something tangible, you can buy a dvd or you can download or store videos on a hard-drive. Somebody can " record" his phone-sex conversation into a tape, and making it " tangible", but it isn't already in that state, such as porn.
I've never said that " women going out is penis-tease", I said that club/bars that offer these freebies for woman, are part of this " penis-tease industry". The women, in offered themselves as bait so the men, like fruitflies ,follow up and spend their $$$ in exchange ( the women) of getting in for free. Is the club owner who does this, not the women.
Goodness gracious... Are you really this bitter towards women? If so, I actually feel badly that you're as it indicates you might have been very hurt in the past. Men and women are just men and women. In healthy relationships, there isn't a vagina on a pedestal or men groveling for her crumbs with his penis. People are just people getting by, ya know?
I'm not bitter towards anyone, I love women, is just that everyone has different opinions and views, that's all. Mine is that I don't subsidize strangers, that's all. If a man believes that he gets " benefits", that's his choice.
I have a female friend that is against porn, she says is demeaning to women, women are not treated equally, blah blah blah, but at the same time she goes to this " ladies enter free" clubs/bars. 
These " ladies free" , thursdays, fridays, saturdays, any day, is selling sex. selling sex is not only the carnal variety ( prostitution), this is selling sex too. Selling sex to men( man PAYS, for the supposed " benefit" of having more of the oppossite SEX! ), It is funny | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 9:29:53 PM |
I do find it rather interesting that you who are complaining about a discriminatory practice is calling women "stuck up, snobbish and expecting entitlements. " Expecting equal rights "nowadays" is entitlements?
Stillwater
I've never said anything about jobs, voting, etc.( equal rights) This thread is not about this. Sex-base price differentiation IS taken as an entitlement by many women. From the comments that I've seen here, like " why men are whining? they should be grateful that we came here, blah blah blah"), what do you call that? I'm not blaming women, I'm blaming men. There are alot of men there that are doormats too, you add up all these, and what you get? stuck up, snobbish women. It has nothing to do with career,etc.
I appreciate your clarification of your thoughts! Sex-priced differentiation is such a foreign concept to me, though. And it seems that this thread is painted with this premise that women are "entitled," "Vagina worshiped" that it's extremely misogynistic sounding, even if it wasn't intended to be.
Yeah, I agree that there are men who are doormats, just as there are women who are. But if men are spending too much money looking for easy sex, doesn't it make it their problem? See what I'm trying to say? If they're motivated by going to bars, finding possibly drunk women who have been drinking cheap or free drinks, what do y'all expect? I have no problem with paying my own way and expect to in life as I do want to be an equal on all levels. Nearly every women I know thinks and acts in that way. Perhaps the motivation of the women getting in free is what they feel it's one small thing they can catch a break in? While many women are making a lot more money than before, plenty never see child support and do spend more money that is clearly gender based for things like hair cuts, feminine products, birth control and the list goes on. I wish to God it were nicely cut and dried, but it isn't. Neither sex is blameless or perfect.
If women are stuck up and snobbish, move along to another more genuine one and I also highly doubt that it's a higher income that makes her that way. Hey- I was the complete geek in high school surrounded by the pretty girls. I've received female "snobbish..." 
The women, in offered themselves as bait so the men, like fruitflies ,follow up and spend their $$$ in exchange ( the women) of getting in for free. Is the club owner who does this, not the women.
I've never been to a ladies only night so I really don't know first hand what the dynamics are. If guys don't like it, do what women often do: we boycott what we feel is unfair. If men didn't follow like fruitflies, the owners would eventually drop the marketing plan.
If only we lived in an ideal world where we all acted upon our conscious and beliefs perfectly...unfortunately we don't. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/15/2008 10:48:14 PM | No Pulse, I don't think you get it.....I could care less if a bar/club had a "mens" night and ladies had to pay. Big effin deal! Why is it that some of you men are taking this to another level and claim that American women get their vagina's placed on a pedastal? How freakin' ridicculous is that! And so what if women today are becoming more equal as men in the corporate world, are you threatened by us? well you should be....I;m far from those crazy ass women group activists and most certainly can give a rats azz abut such stupidity such as you men boo effin hooing about a measley ladies night....As i've previously stated, I know MANY bars that have college night, gay night etc...It is MY choice as much as it is yours whether you attend a ladies night or I attend a night delegated to such a group as mentioned above. You men seem so damn bitter and quite frankly it's both sad and pathetic that you're making such a big deal of it ESPECIALLY being on a dating site apparently looking for female companionship...hmmmm, something just doesnt seem right here now does it?...
You sound like a little wuss ****ing and complaining about something so damn minute nevermind the fact you give the impression that you don't like vagina at all....perhaps penis is just what you need! | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 3:49:52 AM | ciaobaby,
Go get em!
You make some great points. I really do not understand the problem with ladies night.
Nor do I understand why these guys seem to care so deeply about it when there are FAR greater issues to get passionate about. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:16:52 AM |
No Pulse, I don't think you get it.....I could care less if a bar/club had a "mens" night and ladies had to pay. Big effin deal! Why is it that some of you men are taking this to another level and claim that American women get their vagina's placed on a pedastal? How freakin' ridicculous is that! And so what if women today are becoming more equal as men in the corporate world, are you threatened by us? well you should be....I;m far from those crazy ass women group activists and most certainly can give a rats azz abut such stupidity such as you men boo effin hooing about a measley ladies night....As i've previously stated, I know MANY bars that have college night, gay night etc...It is MY choice as much as it is yours whether you attend a ladies night or I attend a night delegated to such a group as mentioned above. You men seem so damn bitter and quite frankly it's both sad and pathetic that you're making such a big deal of it ESPECIALLY being on a dating site apparently looking for female companionship...hmmmm, something just doesnt seem right here now does it?...
I understand perfectly. You're a sexist. You believe in entitlement and privilege based on sex.
Then of course you go on to make your stupid assumptions about how men are somehow 'threatened' by women who make money. Wow...that's impressive actually. On the one hand you are so proud that women are making money and gloat in the fantasy that men are somehow bothered by this. At the same time you're too petty to pay a few bucks cover charge at a bar. Like I said though, you want privileges , not equality. You said so yourself .
So now, let me get this straight here : since you're okay with sexism and discrimination as long as it benefits you (and that's what you've said so far) then what are you doing in this thread to begin with ? I mean, you keep saying that it's no big deal and you shrug your shoulders and pretend to be unperturbed by such a 'petty' thing yet here you are, going on and on yourself. Are you the pot or the kettle ?
Now, as for your ad-hominem attack : Shut your pie hole. There, you want to get personal about it then fine, let's get personal.
You obviously hate men. Not only that, you believe men deserve to be treated with contempt. Any man that has an opinion you don't agree with is obviously a threat to your simian-like level of intelligence so while you're trying to figure out what I just called you I should also point out that it sounds to me like you could use some****yourself. Might help you relax a bit. Well, it might if you could thaw that pie of yours out for a moment anyway but since that's not likely to happen, just swagger it on down to the local bar and drink until you think the men like you. It's only fair since we have to drink until we actually like you.
So there you go. Don't feel like being civil and having a proper discussion ? Really, I don't mind at all but since I guarantee that I'm better at name-calling than you , you might want to reconsider your degenerate impulses to type what the other personalities in your head command you to. Or you could invest in a thesaurus and hope the wizard has your creativity ready with that brain you asked him for. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:39:56 AM | the whole concept of ladies night is just a lure for the desperate men to crawl out of bed and goto the bar in the hopes of catching some drunk piece of azz.
to be hinest i think the bars supplying this type of entertainment should be held up on charges of pandering or pimping. they are using a group of people to scam/lure another group of people how legal or moral can that establishment be??
first off , ladies night is usually accompanied by male strippers for the girls to get all excited about
then the drink specials andall the other influences of the other crazy women ,
then there the stable next door where all the desperately pathetic horny men are, ,
as someone else mentioned if you dont like it , dont go to it
i have never liked the idea of being lured into a situation so a 3rd party could go about swindling my hard earned money, so ive not gone out to any of those things in years
if anything id go out on a sat night , they wouldnt usually have a ladies night on a weekend night as they dont need a sad lure to get people to goto their venue on wkends
in the end its just another stunt to get you to waste your money
i dont and never have cared for feminism or the other side masculism so really i dont care about either sides rights | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:06:40 AM | ^^ 2 of my favorite forumers, one after the other!
I've been looking at this thread now and then. My first thought when I saw it was "Ladies night is for ladies??" I've always seen it as being for men! I think that is what it comes down to and Trubble states that pretty much accurately. Yes, I think they should be illegal for a lot of reasons, besides the fact that this is 2008! Shouldn't the sexes be equal by now?
As for the women on here making personal attacks, saying things like "Guys, what's the big deal about such a trivial little thing?" Why are you on this thread if it's so trivial? Maybe the big deal is that these types of things are let go too often and a lot of guys and even some women (like me) are getting pretty fed up with this entitlement that so many women hold dearly to and is starting to become so standard that people, including men, don't even notice it anymore. So, it's time for someone to say it like it is and who better than Gotapulse? Well said. It's nice you didn't hold back, lol | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:24:24 AM | Ok, people need to calm down here, we have to drop the personal attacks.
There are women and men here that find this to be " a little thing". This is a big mistake. If is a " little thing" Why it has gone to the Supreme Court of couple of States and declared unconstitutional? You think that Supreme Court judges spending many months to give a deliberation is a " small thing"?? If it were so small, it wouldn't even reach the California Supreme Court.
You thing that tearing up the Constitution because some bar/owner wants to make a buck is a " small thing"? Think for a second of all the ramnifications that this can bring. Anyone that thinks that " this is ok, is a small thing" is opening a Pandora Box.
Over 80% of female lawyers are against this practice and agree with California Supreme Court. They are not stupid, they are not going to jeopardize their careers. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:27:14 AM | I forgot to point out something. Isn't that funny the way women always resort to the ol' "and you're on here expecting to get a date with that attitude?" But of course! Women are allowed to voice their principles and beliefs but men are supposed to pander. I can honestly say I don't think I've ever seen comments like that directed at women.
Sexism all right. Women have it every which way around here. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:56:30 AM | Oh Daisy please.....I'm far from being a sexist and again could care less what anyone feels/thinks on here. I am debating this topic more for the rights of business owners, period. I feel they have the right to run their business as they see fit... Like I've stated before, it is no different than a "college night" "gay night" "latin night" "teen night" or whatever other night they wish to hold.
I would defend ALL of the nights above not just a ladies night. Some others with closed minds wish to accuse me of hating men so be it...
People almost make things impossible today to do or say anything without someone getting offended or crying discrimination. There is always going to be a debate whether it'd be women, men, gays, blacks, whites asians what have you and if you really want to get technical and be "politically correct" then lets rid of ALL the social clubs, sports what have you that are related to a specefic ethnic/gender group and even then someone somewhere would find something to complain and cry about.. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:27:33 AM | The truth is.....If women didn't get in free, they just wouldn't go. At least not MOST of them. The club managers know this. In order to attract the guys to the club(the big spenders) there has to be women. And again.....in general women won't go to the clubs unless they get in free.
Is it discrimination? Yes. But it is also a good advertising ploy and should not be illegal. Afterall, it is up to the owners/managers of the bar. They are taking a gamble that by letting women in free , more men will come and spend money.
The cover charge is meant to cover the cost of the people that don't buy very many drinks. In general women don't buy a lot of drinks for themselves....they count on the guys to buy it for them. If a bar can only hold 200 people and 20 of those don't buy anything...well, the bar loses money on those people. Hence, Ladies Night. Get the ladies in and the guys, the real money spenders will come. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:29:53 AM | "Look. first off... I'm no fan of modern feminism. far too much of it has little to do with equality, and more to do with vengance or just bad attitudes about men. BUT.... What this guy is doing is exactly the same thing under the guise of inequality"
Yea...saying women getting cheaper prices and lower / no cover charge is unfair to men DEFINATELY MUST BE DISCRIMINATION AGINST WOMEN that makes so much sense.
It OBVIOUSLY is discrimination,
discrimination - treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit:
read the definition, "making a distinction in favor or aginst a person or thing based on the group" e.g. Women get to pay less, men get to pay more. That would be the definition of discrimination, so I dont see how someone trying to make things equal is discriminating aginst women.
Should women get cheaper car insurance just because they're women?
-they do
Should women get special parking spaces just because they're women?
-they do (expectant mother parking) I am aware this is supposed to be used for pregnant persons only, however any woman can just say oh I'm pregnant, its not like anyone can disagree with them.
If you disagree with any of this then you should look up the definition of discrimination, since you obviously didn't read it the first time. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:38:52 AM | Steve Horner...sounds like such a great guy.
As I continue filing complaints against Denver-area bars and nightclubs for their gender discriminatory promotion known as ladies’night,I’ll be happy to put an additional two cents of argument in defense of my motivations on this site for the welfare of the idiots,**stards,and self-serving cowards who know I’m talking about them.First,let’s take the Obama/Clinton presidential race. All I hear about those two from the mass media is how they’ve been able to rally the troups with such new-found passion and inspiration that matches that of JFK. Yet, imagine if either one of those bozos,the uppity negro or the child butchering(abortion)feminist,were to say to their 40k-plus audience,”Let us ask not what government can do for us but,rather,what we can do for the government.” Now, while you ponder those famous words of JFK spoken at his inauguration,let me present this scenario.Rush Limbaugh is a favorite of neo-conservatives yet he assails John McCain for not being a conservative.Meanwhile,Limbaugh praises the Jewish state of Israel which is the hub of international liberalism and skulduggery simply because “they are the chosen people.” Makes no sense to me.That’s really what I call blind faith.Yet,meanwhile,limbaugh’s neo-conservative audience,which is generally void of any person having ever lifted a finger of patriotism in their lives such as lobby for or against public policies,now come to cry on Limbaugh’s shoulder because,through public apathy and feminist public policy,we now have over 12 million illegals,they want to shut down the borders and blame McCain for “not having done enough.” They’re a bunch of phonies and I hope they all get what they deserve.And,as I’ve said many times before,there are becoming new reasons before me every day for shutting down ladies’night but,as I was taking my morning walk today in the brisk mountain air,I feel as though I must be honest with you.One of the foremost reasons I enjoy shutting down ladies’night as much as I do is that it serves as revenge against male and female members of Know-Nothing-Do-Nothing USA who have become victims of feminist/Marxist-styled victimization believing the world owes them a living(and favors).I really hope it pisses you off.I’m doing exactly what the Constitution affords me to do while you sit on the sidelines and piss and moan.I really hope it’s pissing you off,chumps.And,for the record,I’ll be a happy camper if either the uppidy negro or the baby killer becomes president because then members of Know-Nothing-Do-Nothing USA will quickly see how bad things can get…especially if(when?)we get hit again by the middle-east zealots whom the feminists have royally pissed off over the years by shoving their pro-woman,anti-male agendas down the throats of the historically patriarchal societies.They won’t have it and are obviously ready to die for their cause. We see that every day.The moment we stop funding Israel and let them go it alone with their frickin’ liberal policies,the better the world will be for all of us except,possibly the Jews who would probably get the message to shape up virtually over night.You see,as I’ve said publicly hundreds of times before, my ladies’night fight isn’t really about that stupid bar and nightclub promotion;it has a thousand sidebars. Steve Horner
Sounds like his heart is in the right place huh? lol. Calling Obama an "upity nego". Kinda makes you wonder about his real agenda.
I like this part best...
I must be honest with you.One of the foremost reasons I enjoy shutting down ladies’night as much as I do is that it serves as revenge against male and female members of Know-Nothing-Do-Nothing USA who have become victims of feminist/Marxist-styled victimization believing the world owes them a living(and favors).I really hope it pisses you off.I’m doing exactly what the Constitution affords me to do while you sit on the sidelines and piss and moan.I really hope it’s pissing you off,chumps.And,for the record,I’ll be a happy camper if either the uppidy negro or the baby killer becomes president because then members of Know-Nothing-Do-Nothing USA will quickly see how bad things can get
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:59:16 AM | Wonder how many women are paid the same wage as a male for doing the same job? All of them if the women who aren't paid the same wage as a male learned how to properly negotiate her starting salary when receiving a job offer. That's irrelevant to the topic, by the way. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:20:34 AM | This started out as a post about ladies night and now it's about woman's pay scale?
Where I work, the girl next to me makes the same as I do, well just a bit more because she has about 9 months on me. If a woman is not being paid the same as a man it is because she allows herself to be. If you don't like your job, or it is not fair to you, quit and get a better one.
I read a girls profile on here yesterday that read:
My first date would be the guy taking me to a nice restaurant for dinner, than maybe a movie or a carriage ride downtown on a really nice evening.
Dinner for two $40-$80
Movie for two $24-$36
Carriage tour $50-$240
So I am expected to pay $114 to $356 for a first date? So she can scam a free night out on the town and never call me again...Sheya right!! I'm not falling for that scam.
I could care less about ladies night here, bars are a waste of time and you will not find me there. But I do agree with the OP, girls should stop getting free rides, they work, they make money, they can pay for there own dam drinks like the rest of us.
There is no such thing as a free ride girls. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:29:22 PM |
women get cheaper car ins? what state do you live in, i may have to move!
Men always have higher car insurance rates. We drive far more on average and have more accidents/tickets. | |
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