| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:49:31 PM |
Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal? Posted: 5/16/2008 12  14 PM Wonder how many women are paid the same wage as a male for doing the same job?
Ummm how about ALL of them?
What a useless attempt at justification. The cents on the dollar figure you see feminists bandy about do NOT take into account shorter work weeks, years out of the workforce voluntarily OR qualifications.
Besides if the object were to allow lower income people to get out they'd just have reduced rates across the board (not gender specific), and then they'd be breaking no laws. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:53:28 PM | I feel they have the right to run their business as they see fit... Like I've stated before, it is no different than a "college night" "gay night" "latin night" "teen night" or whatever other night they wish to hold.
I would defend ALL of the nights above not just a ladies night. Some others with closed minds wish to accuse me of hating men so be it...
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hmmm really? so if your ladies night turned out to be basically just a free night of boozing for the women youd have no problems if no men showed up afterwards in hopes of getting their money?
i think you are trying to fool yourself this time ciao , there is only one reason to pander to any group, and thats to get the most moneyout of their pockets , thats fine and dandy but hey.. admit it and at least dont try to pretend you are on some moralistic stump in the middle of a world gone feminist
oh , and the little trick of putting the price of a drink up to ( 4.10 or 5.25 doesnt work on me, i refuse to tip somepne for overcharging me on a drink
i dont care what they have to do or how hard they think it is to serve drunks all night for 6 hrs or so
it still isnt worth 65$ for a case of beer at any liquor store
id rather they treated a customer fairly and charged a fair price for their drinks, id be way more interested in tipping a waitress, if i knew i wasnt getting bent over right from the start | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:17:19 PM | | I'd love to know where these places exist as I've yet to see any place allowing women to drink free all night. The Ladies Nights I have been to are usually during the week with either free admission or half price drink specials ONLY between certain times not much different from a happy hour type thing so I have no clue what you're talking about... | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:25:44 PM |
I'd love to know where these places exist as I've yet to see any place allowing women to drink free all night. The Ladies Nights I have been to are usually during the week with either free admission or half price drink specials ONLY between certain times not much different from a happy hour type thing so I have no clue what you're talking about...
They don't get to drink free. That would be down right stupid. They guys would have a good reason to boycott any place that did that.
This is about a cover charge. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:28:14 PM | trubble,
You are AWARE that the bartender is not in charge of setting the prices right? Neither is the waitress working for minimum wage. So basically you are stiffing a person working for low wages without any justification. Yeah...that makes a lot of sense!  And as ciaobaby has mentioned it IS and has always been only for an hour or two. Big flippin deal.
But you stick to your guns and really stick it to that waitress trying hard to help support her family. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:42:18 PM |
Horner said the practice promotes special rights for women.
Special rights for women?? Now that is funny...
They do this in the bars here with the young crowds....free drinks for girls....nothing like a bar full of 19 year old sloshed girls to attract men...I find it to be a bit repulsive myself...these girls aren't being given special rights--they are being exploited...jmo | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:46:20 PM | ha
how am i stiffing anyone?
if the girl or guy wants to work for the money the bar is paying, then thats their choice ,i didnt make them
we all have families and we all have bills to pay, now regardless of who sets the prices , its still my right to not tip or go there,
i dont feel sorry for someone making minimum wage at all
my lil sis has epilepsy and cant even attend school to upgrade and become an lpn , yet she works in a daycare and is a single mother; she doesnt get tips or handouts and doesnt have to sell her sexuality for cheap tips.
dont try to tell me they arent selling sexuality, they may not be selling sex but no man would goto the ladies night or night club if it was serviced by grannies from the old age home trying to live on a pension
i neither feel any sorrow or pity for strippers or playboy bunnies or mistresses etc
even gigolos i dont feel sorry for
to be honest id feel more pity for someone who couldnt get off welfare.
there are plenty of people out there struggling to survive, just because i get a night off work and want to go have a beer doesnt mean i should be robbed at the front door for a cover charge, then forced to sit in a side of the bar with a bunch of other guys all waiting for the tarted up drunk women to come stampeding thru the door.
i work 10 hrs a day. noone tips me , instead the government take 1200 a wk off my wage for taxxes
how much do u think waitresses pay in taxxes? do they get taxxed on thier tips? why should i or other hard working people subsidize workers who are just to compliant to expect and demand better wages?
i mean these waitreses must be able to do minimal math at least and are capable of seeing exactly how much they pull in for the greedy owner every night
demand a percentage off the owner, dont screw the customer 2 times because you lack the cohesion to organize and demand a standard of living from your slave master
actually i cant say ive never paid a tip as i have in the past, usually out of pity or just because i couldnt be bothered to ask her for the quarter
either way if pity is what they want and pays there bills then i guess thats why the owner of the establishment gets away with these slaves. as they arent employees when they need to beg for alms from the customer just to make their ends meet
personally id get a different job . but then im not a hot chick in a mini skirt slinging beer and gettin felt up all night by 60 yr old men with god knows what on their filthy hands eww
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:49:53 PM | Criminy, talk about TOTAL cluelessness on this guy's part....
Ladies' night is NOT done for the benefit of the ladies. I mean, duh, who really benefits from any program that attracts women to a slow business night,and entices them to get drunk?
In other words, who wants to walk into a room full of drunken babes? Guys who can't get laid any other way, and don't want to have to rely on only Saturday nights to hope to play the odds in a room full of drunk--and thus stereotypically beer-goggle wearing--women.
Of course, if bars actually followed thru on truth in advertising...no women would show :) But it sounds like this guy should spend more time at these events, b/c he really needs to get laid and let off some steam.... | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:04:07 PM | yes, especially in this age of equal rights.
i further suggest no alcoholic drinks be served in restaurants or bars unless there was certainty the person is not driving...details would have to be worked out and if they can't then no alcohol served in public places would make sense, despite the outrage it would cause. too many people die from alcohol related car accidents, not to mention property damage that ALL those with car insurance have to pay for. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:47:30 PM | I don't particularly care about "ladies night" for several reasons:
- I don't go to bars
- If I plan to drink I prefer to get drunk.
- I can't do #2 on $5 a drink
- I can spend $25 of a bottle of Crown Royal and some coke and have at it and have a great time.
In my (just out of) high school days we'd routinely hit the liquor store and make our own entertainment. It's not like you would actually pick up someone decent at a bar...
The poor saps (like my friends) that dump $100-200 a night, is pretty pathetic. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:29:16 PM | This thread has given me a great idea for a part time job. There are quite a number of "gentlemen's" clubs around my city that absolutely will not let a woman in unless she is accompanied by a man.
The deal is, I may not be into watching naked women trot around with everything jiggling, but for the price of a drink, $5.95, those buffets are unbelievable. Why should I (am I such a fair, fragile flower of feminity) have to have a guy take me in? Do the owners think I might swoon at the sight of a bare bosom?
At $500 a pop, I figure I'm good for about $10 or $12,000 this year alone if I get started on the project. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:59:59 PM | Let em run the business any way they want.
They could have "everyone besides black people night", every night.
How about "non-jew night"? Free star of david pins for jews. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:44:22 PM | Ladies' night is NOT done for the benefit of the ladies. I mean, duh, who really benefits from any program that attracts women to a slow business night,and entices them to get drunk?
That's what I've always known it to be, so I have to wonder about the women on here fighting for the rights to this ?
For those talking about what "ladies night" entails, that would be dependant on the location. In my area, it means ( or meant in the past.....I'm old after all....) free cover and half-price drinks. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/17/2008 1:14:55 AM |
This thread has given me a great idea for a part time job. There are quite a number of "gentlemen's" clubs around my city that absolutely will not let a woman in unless she is accompanied by a man.
The deal is, I may not be into watching naked women trot around with everything jiggling, but for the price of a drink, $5.95, those buffets are unbelievable. Why should I (am I such a fair, fragile flower of feminity) have to have a guy take me in? Do the owners think I might swoon at the sight of a bare bosom?
So?? That is illegal too. So go ahead and sue and make your money. The reason stripclub owners do this is because they say " wives come in and catch their husbands inside, and assault them and sometimes they assault the dancer too, and bouncers can't be restraining them all the time, hence, the requirement of entering with a man".
Ofcourse, this is total bs, the same as the " benefits" that men supposely get when they pay and women don't.
" Penis-tease industry" such as nightclubs, bars, stripclubs, think they are above the law. They are not. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/17/2008 11:53:07 AM | Years ago I bartended and yes we had a "ladies" night on a slow weeknight... to pump up business, because let's face it bars have their peak nights and that is normally two maybe 3 nites a week... that's great ....
but for the staff who works the ...s-l-o-w... nites makes for a long boring nite and no money... and for owners to pay the utilities on such nites makes for ending up in the red...
After some of our customers complained over the unfairness of ladies nights we offered $2 long necks.... the guys come in not as many girls on a Sun, Mon, Thurs nite or whatever slow night is in your neighborhood bar they pound em down til midnight don't really tip as well as it seems the cheaper the drink the cheaper the tip... and girls who come in on ladies night for $2 well drinks half of them don't tip anything unless they are in the industry... so the guys yes, have to pay regular price buying a girl a drink to ENSURE the girl gets the drink... (not him) or the girl can only buy one drink at a time as to not be buying for him... call it unfair but the fair sex pulls the guys in the bar not the other way around...
The other thing is normally Ladies night only lasts from maybe 7 to 9 or 10.... the reason for that is to build a crowd earlier... get the room looking halfway busy then no one leaves looking for another more happening place to park it..
Personally I say do pitcher specials for everyone (more cost effective then longnecks) & well drinks....but I do understand why "ladies" night works... you can't fight history... or the birds and the bees... | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/21/2008 5:05:09 PM | You really think it matters if its to "boost business" on slow nights? Who cares, the fact of the matter is its still discrimination. If I owned a business and on slow nights I decided I wanted what males only on thursdays? or even just white people only, would that be ok ? KKK only nights sits well with you? Or how about on fridays I have someone dress up like a "middle eastern" person and run "get drunk with your prophet night" Do you not understand? It doesnt matter what the reason is, it is still discrimination plain and simple. Another thing you are supposed to tip for good service,
TIP: a gift or a sum of money tendered for a service performed well
a G-I-F-T in other words its not required, I'm sick of feeling like I'm supposed to tip everyone just because they work in the "service" industry, screw that, I work in the service industry, and get no tips, I don't complain about it either, I"m just pointing it out to make a point. If I go to a restarunt and they burn my food, or take more then 45 mins to bring it, I'm still expected to tip this person regardless of weather he/she did well or poorly, its rediculous. Why am I paying 6 - 10 dollars a drink, plus tip, when if I just buy the items to make the drink it costs more like 2 dollars a drink, plus its not like the waitress made the drink either / food either, all she did was carry it for 20 feet and manage not to spit in it or drop it. Its actually gotten so bad these days that if you dont tip then you might have to worry about people intentionally making your food / drink wrong if you decide to go back to that place again. A good tip is supposed to be around 15% does this mean if a bunch of friends and myself go to a bar and spend 200 - 300 all night we're supposed to slip the waitress 50 bucks at least? She does get paid by the bar you know....especially since 1 waitress can serve more then 1 table a night.
If bars can't make money and "go in the red" on certain nights thats too damn bad, that doesnt mean they can effectively brake the law to cure that (since discrimination isn't legal) . If I start a company and go in the red is it ok for me to rob a bank?
Also I have no sympathy for people who make minimum wage and say they need tips to live, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIVE ON MINIMUM WAGE, thats why its called minimum wage, entry level, NOT a career, not something to live off of. If you think you don't make enough money, then go get a better job | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/21/2008 5:21:48 PM | "They have a ladys night for one reason and one reason only. A bar is interseted in making money and bringing in business.The best way to bring in a group of sexy women, is to have a ladys night. If you find it discriminating, then go out on another night. Women are sexy. thats all there is to it. Personally, when the bar is filled with men I leave. If you have a problem with it, then why walk in. Go somewhere else instead. " - Heavens Devil msg.12
So what you are saying is if business owners can make money off a certain practice then they can do it? Even it is discriminitory?
I guess it would be ok for a company owned by John Smith to only pay female workers $8/hour but then pay men $10/hr, because the men will not work for less but the women will. So this scenario is ok?
Making men pay to enter a bar, then making them pay more for the same drinks is complete and utter discrimination. Those defending these sorts of practices better not be whining about how the guy in their office makes more than them doing the same job, because that same guy has to pay more for other things...(or something along those lines. LOL) | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/22/2008 1:03:50 AM |
from Carolinalilly :
Making men pay to enter a bar, then making them pay more for the same drinks is complete and utter discrimination. Those defending these sorts of practices better not be whining about how the guy in their office makes more than them doing the same job, because that same guy has to pay more for other things...(or something along those lines. LOL)
Is refreshing to see more women denouncing this thrash.  | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/22/2008 5:38:17 AM | | Ladies Nights are FOR THE DUDES!!!! It's to bring the ladies out for the guys that would gladly pay $5 a beer if there are going to be women there. | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/22/2008 9:00:59 AM |
Ladies Nights are FOR THE DUDES!!!! It's to bring the ladies out for the guys that would gladly pay $5 a beer if there are going to be women there.
Yeah, for the Dudes with $$$. If you're a broke arse, they don't even want you to go in. If you're a man that goes alone and late in the night, most of the time they won't even let you in at all. Unless you're a " bowler" ofcourse.
Have you noticed in the language that they use?? They always say " Ladies", but the men they say " guys, fellas", they never say " gentlemen" to refer to men. Is like saying " you " ladies" , rich or poor, can come in for free, but you " guys"( suckers) have to pay for you to have the privilege to interact with the " ladies", because, hey " life is prostitutionalized after all" | |
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| Should Ladies Night at the bars be illegal?
Posted: 5/22/2008 10:34:04 AM | What if they had "Men's Night" at the local dinner theater. A way to attract men to go to theater which is attended by more women than men usually. So then men get in for free, women have to pay. Then once inside the men get a half priced dinner while the women pay full price, with many of them paying for the men's dinners.
-How long before this becomes an issue? How many whining women protesting?
When an entity applies different rules to men and women, it discriminates, regardless of its subjective motive or feelings about either group. And again, whatever your feelings about men, Ladies Night plainly does discriminate against men.
Some women expect it all, equal rights but preferential treatment in situations that benefit them. TOTAL BS, equal means equal, not just when convenient. | |
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