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Posted: 7/21/2008 1:33:25 PM | All witches are Godless heathens and should therefore be burnt at the stake!!  God will then smile on us all!! They once turned me into a nute, I got better, but BURN them all. Yeah burn baby burn!! | |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 4:41:07 PM | you are much wise in the ways of witches sir bedevere
might have to change your name from dark stanley to the dark knight :) | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 6:34:36 AM |
BURN them all. Yeah burn baby burn!!
Is it getting warm in here?
Quietly parks the broom in the garage, puts pointy black hat at the back of the cupboard and dabs a little more concealer on the chin wart.
Apologies to witches and followers of Wicca for the above clichés.
Speaking of which...anyone know how those cliches came about? | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:38:41 PM | my ex once flew a single engine aircraft also.... the Nimbus 2000
witches are ok in my books, aviation is aviation. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 8:10:42 PM | Naamah....not sure about the warts thing, unless it was because generally those deemed witches lived WITH nature and werent hung up on visual aspects of appeal etc. So praps if they had warts, they just werent fussed about them.
Re black pointy hats? My guess would be it came from Druidic Rites. There are roles and there is a hierarchy.
Re broomsticks though! Oh god wouldnt it save some airfares?
But there is flying from one place to another (in the physical realm) and there is *flying*
*flying* is being able to be 'somewhere else' while you are still here
But for those who cant understand that concept...
BIRD - FLY
ok..they must be zinging around the sky somehow
Not sure where the broom comes in but brooms were very significant both in European and Celtic lore.
And hanging a witch on a broom in your kitchen is still considered to be good luck in many places.
But if anyone knows of a real FLYING BROOM can you send it over?
The price of gas is killing me!  | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 4:52:50 AM |
Re broomsticks though! Oh god wouldnt it save some airfares?
not to mention the airline food and delays, security,carparking... sure would beat the airlines but would miss the qantas clubs :)
But if anyone knows of a real FLYING BROOM can you send it over?
possibly might be able to help you with something here champs, however they have taken them off the market.. the harry potter broom made by mattel was removed from the toy shelves because the vibration made them ....how will i put this..um....well ... mums complained that there daughters took far too much interest in them. what were they thinking....battery's sold separately (sheeeesh) | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 8:19:58 AM |
Speaking of which...anyone know how those cliches came about?
Apparently witches used to make hallucinogenic ointments that were more easily absorbed through the more sensitive areas of their anatomy, so they would rub the ointment on something long and thin like a broomstick...so it was a different sort of riding that they were talking about. Another theory is that leaping about on a pitch fork or broomstick was a pagan ritual to help crops grow...the higher you leap the higher the crops.
Of course we now know that neither of these are true as broomsticks are for playing Quidditch on. | |
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Joined: 4/20/2008
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Posted: 7/23/2008 11:29:15 PM |
HOW DOES ONE BECOME POSSESSED?
Below, Fr. Amorth explains that there are four principal causes that may cause one to fall victim to these evils.
Pure Divine Permission
Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never wills evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the existence of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon his permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as in the biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We must keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do with the state of grace of its victims.
Subject to a Curse
Here, too, the victim is innocent, but there is culpability on the part of whoever casts and/or commissions the curse. By the word curse, I mean the intention of harming others through demonic intervention. This can be achieved in many ways: malefice (or spell), binding, evil eye, malediction, and so on. The matter is serious, but we need to be on guard against misconceptions. By their nature, curses lend themselves to all sorts of abuses, especially when we consider the current escalation in the number of frauds, suggestions, manias, and more.
Grave Hardening of Sin
Judas Iscariot is the classical Gospel example. The many individuals who abandon themselves to sexual perversions, violence, and drugs fall into this group. The heinous crime of abortion aggravates this situation; its terrible repercussions are clearly seen during exorcisms, because to liberate a victim who is guilty of abortion usually requires a very long period of time. Due to the current devastation of the family and the laxity of morals, the repercussions that stem from the scourge of abortion are much more common than in the past. When we take all these factors into account, we can understand why the number of individuals stricken by evil ailments has multiplied.
Proximity to Evil Places or Persons
This includes attending spiritualistic session, dabbling in magic, or consulting magicians, witch doctors, and some card readers; also, practicing the occult, belonging to satanic sects, or practicing in rites that climax with black masses, and so on, put us at great risk.
To this category we can add the influence of mass media, such as pornographic shows and violent horror movies broadcast by many TV stations. We witness the effects of the widespread presence of rock music, culminating in satanic rock performed in what we could easily refer to as "churches or rock", such as stadiums, parks, and discothèques. We should not be surprised that, today, there is an explosion of these activities: a decline in faith life is directly connected to an increase in superstitions. I will not tire or repeating that members of the clergy have done nothing to oppose, or at least warn against, all these evils, because they are completely ignorant even of what the Bible explicitly says on the subject. This forth category has greatly contributed to the increase in evil ailments in the last decades, especially among the young. Taken from (An Exorcist More Stories by Fr. Gabriele Amorth,
taken from here http://www.stmichael.pair.com/exorcismschurch.html.
If by any chance their is real witches who have posted in here and by chance you have asked a question and they have answered it.
Hold on tight the ride should be good!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 3:15:36 AM | I was married to one once,didn't work.
I kept wanting to burn her at the stake.Well thats what i kept telling her.
Funny...didn't have a sense of humour about that...stange girl. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 12:41:55 AM | Will the real witch please stand up.
This thread and others clearly show how "broad" the term witch is, so witch perception of which is correct?
lets try merriam-websters online dictionary,
1: one that is credited with usually malignant supernatural powers; especially: a woman practising usually black witchcraft often with the aid of devil or familiar;
sorceress compare warlock
2:an ugly old woman:HAG
3:a charming or alluring girl or woman
4:a practitioner of wicca.
remember wicca is a modern adaption of ancient beliefs.
funk and wagnalls dictionary of folklore is a touch more labelling.
a person who practises sorcery: a sorcerer or sorceress:one having super natural powers in the natural world, especially to work evil and usually by association with evil spirits or the devil; formally applied to both men and women but now generally restricted to women. belief in witches exist in all lands, from earliest times to the present day
now a bloke called arthur buckland who has a vested interest said this of the term witch.
the actual term of the word witch is linked to"wisdom" and is the same root as "to have wit" or "to know".It comes from the anglo saxon wicce(f)or wicca (m) meaning "wise one" witches being both male and female.
this actually makes sense to me, from my brief understanding of ancient history, the teachers, the scientist, the doctors, the counsellors and the advisers to government's were shamans or (witches if you prefer) and the people who hold these positions today are known as wise or knowledgeable and academic.
However you want to believe nasty things about witches?
try martin luthers perception,
"witches are the devils hores who steal milk, raise storms, ride on goats or broomsticks, laim or maim people, torture babies in their cradles, change things into different shapes so that human being seems to be a cow or an ox and force people into love or immortality"
this bloke didn't hold back
Now we have a few different perspectives of the "term" witch.
In the derogatory versions one word keeps appearing and deserves mention. DEVIL.
the devil is satan, satan is a biblical character, the bible is a fable. Yet many base their judgements, fear, hatred of witches in a fable that scientifically does not stand up.
Scientifically witches do stand up, the FBI has psychics amongst their employees who assist in solving crimes, they do not have priests in this role.
so the most credible version of the term witch would be the one that actually breaks down the meaning of the word, not a belief from a much untrustworthy source.
speaking or the word source, source/sorcerer=knowledge? | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 1:31:31 AM | All witches are godless heathens
i am a heathen by ancestry and locale (a briton, not celt or pict or norse or roman or angle, no saxon or norman), and a hereditary witch through my practising grandmother and hers, i have learnt that i'm a hedge witch. (solitary).
my magic is in everything around me (as through a child's eyes),
my upbringing gives me the no harm ethic (my g'ma was an rn and a midwife), i too am a nurse,
in this and other threads animism is termed a base religion
heathenism is also, it is based on the way you live and the smarts to learn to live better
eostre stolen from the anglo saxon heathens has been mentioned, and yule. them stones in a circle, even tony robinson (time team)
most of roman catholicism is heathenism and only the most fanatic catholics deny it. (pope gregory and st. augustine?)
anglosaxon heathenism relates to asatru from the north, the tree of life is mentioned and the goddess friya and god wodin, there is maegan and scylde and the three wells (returned thrice) of the wyrd sisters (warts).
but true heathenism is the worship of your good fortune to be alive in a hostile world (no wolves at the door little pig), with the comfort of family and friends (kith and kin), to abide by social norms with tolerance and respect for differences (ethics or thews), to be smart enough to co-operate and learn and adapt so the impossible can be real (food on the table @ winters end), to be generous (christian?) and hospitable to strangers, (sources of knowledge).
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Posted: 7/25/2008 1:35:15 AM | | I'm the witch you have when you're not having a witch...... | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 2:37:48 AM | I am what people would (and often do) term a witch
Why? Just sh*t they dont understand
Through history anything NOT UNDERSTOOD was labelled WITCHERY which had more to do with fear and ignorance than anything else.
Greater understanding of anything was WITCHERY
Things that were actually to do with the natural world and very natural (if you stopped to think about it..which most didnt) were ascribed as SUPER natural. Beyond the kenning of natural man.
Natural man was NORMAL man. And NORMAL is a very loose term.
I am not however into
attending spiritualistic session, dabbling in magic, or consulting magicians, witch doctors, and some card readers; also, practicing the occult, belonging to satanic sects, or practicing in rites that climax with black masses, and so on,
In fact I deliberately wont have anything to do with those who do.
There are aspects to things which ARE nasty! But only weak (and therefore dangerous) people prescribe to them. Safety in numbers or power in numbers? Seeking to control others or outcomes etc.
As far as I am concerned modern Wikka has about as much to do with the old ways as pickled onions have to do with pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
They arent witches. They just joined a religion like any other religion to get indoctrinated into the ways (and promises) of that religion.
And just as people say CATHOLIC IS THE ONLY TRUE WAY so too do wikkens often say WIKKA IS THE ONLY TRUE WAY. Just depends which breakfast cereal you choose this morning...or which religion.
People choose religions according to what works for them (self based)
Witches are simply witches. Simple as that. And they dont usually go around shouting to people what the current label is on their lapel. What would be the point in that? Its always been there..always will..and wont be changing next week.
But still...I dont call MYSELF a witch...I just get called a witch by people who see stuff they dont understand. Stuff that is perfectly logical to me.
Meh! Why all the kerfuffle over it. If you have to define it...there must be some reason for having to define/classify it. I'm just sitting here wondering why? And what the agenda might be.
We gonna have another witch hunt?
Cool :) Lemma go get the ghosts of all the innocent ordinary people who were really just disliked and who were hung as witches in Salem. Over a disease brought on by eating bread made from mouldy rye. WITCHERY they cried! And how many people died? Because of ignorance..... | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:00:14 AM | We gonna have another witch hunt?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcX0W38zGXc
june 13 2008 KEGOGI VILLAGE, Kenya (CNN) -- It may be difficult for modern-day Western cultures to fathom, but in Western Kenya, beliefs in ghosts and witches are very real. And sometimes they have deadly consequences.
Justus Bosire stands in front of his house, which was destroyed by a mob that also killed his grandmother.
1 of 3 In late May, news outlets in Kenya told the story of 15 people, mostly elderly women, who were murdered in a witch hunt near the town of Kisii. The killings shocked the nation.
Villagers said more than 100 people gathered machetes and knives and stormed the village of Kegogi after midnight.
"They started banging on the doors, they broke into the house and then they killed our grandmother inside," says Justus Bosire. "The mob was screaming and we panicked. We ran away and they came to our house and burned it to the ground."
When Bosire returned to his grandmother's house, he found her dead on the floor in a bed of embers. His father is missing.
"They claim that my grandmother and father were practicing witches," Bosire says. Watch Bosire describe her die »
Belief in witchcraft is strong in this part of Kenya. A few days before the incident, a group of schoolchildren reportedly found a book in their school that listed all the people in the community who would soon die and the witches who would be responsible. iReport.com: Share your stories, videos from Africa
For Bosire and his family, the killings are hard to believe. His grandmother, Peris, was the matriarch of the family. She was 86 but still actively farmed and dispensed invaluable advice to the family.
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Up the road from Bosire's house lives Paul Magoma. "I believe there is witchcraft and the witches kill," Magoma says while building a chapel. His fellow workers concur: Witches exist and can put spells on people.
Others are skeptical the slain women were witches. At the top of a hill outside Kisii, Joseph Omache practices his craft. Omache is a shaman, or traditional healer. He throws bones and communes with ancestors to help heal physical and spiritual ailments.
"It is very painful when somebody kills another person in the name of witchcraft," he says. "Why couldn't they come to me so that I can perform my herbal potion to identify the real witch so that I can go ahead now to trap him and then we can see what to do?"
Omache says that in his 10 years of studies and decades of practicing, he has never come across a witch.
"These are vendettas. It is not that people really bewitched somebody," he says, adding he believes that witch hunts are really about people expressing hatred and coming up with an excuse to hurt someone.
The area is one of the most populated rural areas in Kenya. Over the years, farming plots have been divided and subdivided. Omache and others say they believe witch hunts are about greed and vendettas in a place where almost everyone struggles to survive.
Whatever the reason, Bosire and his family must live with the consequences. Due to local taboo, they will never live in his grandmother's house. The doors are boarded, her belongings still lie charred on the floor. The family fears further attacks.
"We are fearing for our lives," Bosire says. "I knew my grandmother since I was a young child and I have never seen evidence of her being a witch | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:12:48 AM | And what was I saying about ignorance and just killing ordinary people?
Belief in witchcraft is strong in this part of Kenya. A few days before the incident, a group of schoolchildren reportedly found a book in their school that listed all the people in the community who would soon die and the witches who would be responsible.
All ya gotta do is point and shout and let hysteria and fear do the rest
"These are vendettas. It is not that people really bewitched somebody," he says, adding he believes that witch hunts are really about people expressing hatred and coming up with an excuse to hurt someone.
The area is one of the most populated rural areas in Kenya. Over the years, farming plots have been divided and subdivided. Omache and others say they believe witch hunts are about greed and vendettas in a place where almost everyone struggles to survive.
If you want to get rid of someone you dont like or who is competition, scream witch. It seems to still work.
But how many REAL witches are killed in this mayhem?
Mostly they're just off minding their own business.
But if you want to talk about some nasty stuff in Africa. Look up Voodoo. Thats enough to scare the pants off you. But I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to try to lynch a voodoo practitioner. So let scream WITCH instead. Because traditionally they dont hurt you back.
Easy targets.
Think about that one. If witches really were all the stuff they get labelled with sometimes...would you really want to upset one? Unlikely. But something so few people stop to consider when they let their ignorance start guiding their actions.
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Posted: 7/25/2008 8:35:40 PM | Positive energy / negative energy would that be the source of the witches people are talking about???
I believe if nothing exists then nothing can be thought of. Exaggeration makes it bigger but it needs to be there to be exaggerated.
Probably we have either type of witches in all of us. we apparently are by products of both devil and angel which are both angels anyway good and bad angels.
We’ve been taught (those with religious background) we have angels on each side good and bad, bad being the devil on the left shoulder and good portrait as white on the right shoulder....and was it this reason that being a left handed was not seen favourably, as the devil too is left handed??
then we have ying and yang.
Most religions believe in magic and jinx and most religions have ways to ward off the jinx.
Now in order to ward off Jinx there are words/chants or combination of ingredients to mix and or other methods. for some it works, truly it does, but how??? energy emitted by the person who casts and the person who breaks it??? or is it the energy of the ingredients used? or both?
Have you ever jinxed yourself? | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 9:12:17 PM | Good post GoD
And nature works the same way....everything comes back to a balance point
And we ARE part of nature
If you do this...then that will occur
If you do that...then this will occur
Nobody questions it
But for some unknown reason humans tend to think they just do stuff and nothing will occur to compensate, rebalance, act as an opposing force etc
They think anything they do is just done and thats the end of it. Well no it isnt. If what you is LEFT then RIGHT will occur. If what you do is UP then DOWN will occur.
Isnt that just plain simple logic? So why do people act surprised when other things happen (that they didnt orchestrate) when they take an action themselves?
ALL things MUST return to a balance point. Without balance LIFE cannot exist. And life is a pretty tenacious little creature. It acts, reacts, responds..until that balance is restored. And then it sits still.
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Posted: 7/25/2008 9:32:02 PM |
Positive energy / negative energy would that be the source of the witches people are talking about???
Look at all the negative stuff around that pedophile recently in the news who was found to have no case to answer ,perhaps it really wasn't him this time but he reaped the crop he chose to sow, surrounded himself with negitive things.
A wise old woman taught me that "if someone wrongs you, no need to lash out back, just sit back and you'll see all you want to see as they'll continue down their path and come a cropper. Now its a positive thing you don't lash out, its restraint, maturity and human, its also positive that you don't stoop down to their level which their level will bring themselves ultimately all the justice justified.
the witches spoke about is much about foresight.
I believe if nothing exists then nothing can be thought of. Exaggeration makes it bigger but it needs to be there to be exaggerated.
Flying on broomsticks doesn't exist.
Probably we have either type of witches in all of us. we apparently are by products of both devil and angel which are both angels anyway good and bad angels.
that's an ideology but not completely false, have you ever been so angry with someone that has judged you or defamed you in some way that that anger made you change the negative or change something to get rid of the perception that lead to the wrong/defamed?
End result you ended up better off and contented more.
anger is apparently a dark thing, a demon thing. it is not, it is how you choose to use it.
hiding or denying natural emotion, thought, instinct just bottles it up and causes it to come out stronger and less appropriate. That is documented in dealing with addictions from gambling, drugs, alcohol and sex.
We’ve been taught (those with religious background) angels on each side good and bad, bad being the devil on the left shoulder and good portrait as white on the right shoulder....and was it this reason that being a left handed was not seen favourably, as the devil too is left handed??
scenario:
Your a devout christian, you believe in noah's ark and along comes me asking how did the polar bears survive? or the pythons from the steamy amazon jungle?what about the salinity levels in ground after the flood dried or what did they use for housing, fires and such considering all trees and wood after being underwater for so long would be next to useless?
answer you dismiss as me coming from the black side, thus you don't attempt to understand where I'm coming from because you think I'm coming from Satan and Satan is evil .My argument then is redundant in your mind.
This black/white
dark/light thing is thought control, plain and simple, designed to stop you considering someone else's perspective.
then we have ying and yang.
yes they exist together, the sun is light they say, the moon is dark. take one of them away and see if we survive.
It is not nice to kill animals or anything, yet in kangaroo island once the koala's were breeding at such a rate the food source was going to run out and thus no food, no koala's. Culling was the option in maintaining this species. out of something dark (killing native wild life) came something light (maintaining their food source so they all don't die)
Have you ever jinxed yourself?
your home is your castle, you grow dope in your castle someone at some point is going to invade your castle(dope thieves or coppers) your castle is then violated sometimes a small violation, sometimes a significant distressing one, you jinxed yourself by choosing to grow the dope, you brought the bad events/feel/event or negatively.
but yes i have and will jinx myself again. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2008 5:10:30 AM | Merry Meet,
Great thread............... love the poems
Blessed Be :-) | |
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Posted: 7/26/2008 5:24:36 AM | Can I ask a question. Why are wikkens trained to say Merry Meet?
Its almost like some kind of signature identifying yourself as a wikken.
I'm anti any religion granted, but it seems almost like me walking around saying something like this to identify myself as a christian
The Lord is my shepherd
Great thread
Amen
Is there some other reason for it besides that? | |
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Posted: 7/26/2008 6:50:29 AM | Blessed Be is nice :) and yeah great thread, nice to see intelligent people not arguing about bloody chickens
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Posted: 7/26/2008 7:16:29 AM | So much wisdom.
I surely have much to learn.
Now, could you please enlighten me ?
Your answers for Dafur?, perhaps Redfern?
As far as this life goes, Wicca offers nothing, and delivers nothing. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2008 7:17:34 AM | | This also is vanity. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2008 7:59:29 AM | Hello all,
I myself, brought up as a catholic beleiver, which im grateful for, because they allow me to open my mind a bit more and discover things that works for me. Now Cathlocism is only part of my life, but have different doctrine/views about them.
The idea of Witches/Warlocks that boasts about spells and stuff: well Im sorry but i dont beleive that any spells work. It contrdicts the three fold karma law they devoutly beleive in. wether its for the good or the bad. Sides, spells just bounced right of my protective sheild that I have.
I beeleive in Past lives, Karma, Laws of attraction, thoughts, wisdeom, and galactic understanding of things. Like for example, I beleive in Evolution, and I beleive Jesus is a very spiritually aware man, not neccessarily the Son of God.
Witches and Warlocks should not be used freely as to desxcribe oneself into the wicca/new age beleivf. Because, wicca/new age is all about self awareness. Its all about learning where we really are on this spehre of reality. And what we need to learn, so that we can sopritually vibrate higher.
I have many many thoughts on many many subjects , and all these are relatedc to my "new age".. or perhaps "celtic" beleifs. but a more, modernized one. Perhaps I should just call myself "Liberated Catholic"..
Its nice to have pple say Merry Meet, Blessed Be and such, but really, is it really neccessary? a simple Hello,Im so glad to have known you!.
No offense but saying "merry meet/blessed be etc" states the person thinks he is higher than others in terms of knowledge and spiritually. I may be wrong. However, point is, all have their own unique level of travels. Some been around for a long time, like myself, as "old Souls" some merely began.. "new Souls" but that doesnt make me smarter/wiser/powerful then the "newbies".. It just means, im reaching to the end of my travels, and i've had fun! (btw, i got two more lifetimes , if successful, to go.. if not.. im doom to repeat until i get it right! lmao)
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyways..
Have fun traveling! | |
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Posted: 7/27/2008 5:09:10 AM | I was wondering....if you grow dope and use that dope to make clothes for poor people who cannot afford it and the police come along to take it all away and throw you into jail, would that be considered jinxing yourself or bringing negative energy? I think it can be hard sometimes to know whether something is positive or negative in energy based on outcomes, just the thought....
Also are spells suppose to change the circumstances that a person finds themselves in or is it more an affirmation of what one believes and how they want to live and the type of energy that they want within themselves rather then actually trying to change something literally?..... I know very little about wiccan thinking but the thread has got me thinking about it all. | |
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