ruth78
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Posted: 1/8/2007 5:41:26 AM | i tried it a few times when i was younger, luckily, knowing what i was doing though..having read up on it etc..
it worked for us, and though nothing bad happened, i wouldn't do it again because i do know it's real, it works and if someone inexperienced tried it, it could lead to bad things happening..
i also think alot of the time what we are thinking about comes out in the board, like we are actually pushing it without knowing!
the first time i tried one, i had jamie bulger on my mind, and it spellt out that it was him! now i don't believe this, i believe i pushed the glass without knowing it, to the letters of his name because i was thinking about him..
but i also know it's very dangerous not only for us, but for spirits too, they can become locked in the glass and never returned back to heaven, or wherever they've come from, unless you know what you're doing and know how to send them back! | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 8:22:30 AM | i`ve read the posts on this thread, and without going into too much detail, or wishing to sound either pompous or rude, a lot of the posts are giving missinformed information.
to start with, there is nothing evil in the ouija, (name comes from the word yes in french and german), its also very rare that any type of spirit manifests through something that was merely only manufactured only a hundred and fifty odd years ago by a toy manufacturer, one william fuld (who had no interest in spiritualism or the occult), but became known as the father of the board.
the inventor was a certain elijah j. bond, who filed the patent in 1891,coming from a very crude idea started by the controversial fox sisters (of table rapping fame), some years previous.
the spiritualist movement only began soon after this.
lets examine the board for its real worth and authenticity, (todays board is a lot different to the origional, which had legs, and the letters and numbers appeared in straight lines.)
when a group of people get together for this exersize, hysteria can easily set in because we are influenced by such things as hollywood and ghost stories we read in novels,etc., you only have to look at the fear generated in the imagination thet led to the innocent slaughter of thousands of people through the witch-hunts of the middle ages (this may sound extreme, but its the core aspect i`m talking about).
so by the same rule, its our imagination that takes over, and whoever starts the ball rolling in the group then passes the hysteria around to the other sitters.
when we pass a story on down the line over a period of time the recounting becomes distorted with each telling until it hardly resembles the origional tale, this is true in all aspects of life and society, and its for this very reason we have courts of law(though not guaranteed 100 per cent), to come up with a version of events that are nearer to the truth.
the ouija is one of the many occult tools i have studied in my 20+ years of working professionaly in this field, and my summary is just this:
there are some people with the gift of clairvoyance (clear seeing), clairaudience (clear hearing), mediumist ability, etc., who are able to use many different types of tools in order to focus their abilities to channel messages and situations that are relevant to the sitter.
the majority of these people (including myself), will not use ouija for this purpose , not because it is rumoured to have evil connotations, but because, without the hysteria that in so many cases accompanies the using of the board, it`s far too hit and miss, and very time consuming, jut say you do make contact through the board, which like i stated, was initially manufactured as nothing more than a parlour game, or a childs toy, the time taken in putting a story together is dragged out over a much longer period than it would take to channel through any other form of divination, ie.., tarot, tasseography (tea cup readings), (my mum did tea cup readings before tea bags became as popular as they are today), psychometry (picking up messages through someones personal items (rings, watches, photographs etc.,)
so if you consider yourself to be level headed and feel like a dabble, bearing in mind that the only people who can do you any real harm are the living, then by all means go there, or if you are likely to let your fears govern your thinking, then opt for a harmless game of charades!!.
footnote: i am not in any way mocking or condeming any previous posting, one or two of you may well use this experience as a valuable learning curve and become reasonably adept in this type of thing(channeling), through one of many other scources, it really does have validity when approached in a professional way.
thanks for reading the post, i hope i have been interesing and informative.
peace and blessings. merkin. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 8:37:14 AM | 
Here here Merkin.
I have to be honest & say, I'd be the hysteria type  ...I don't need to put my nerves & sanity to the test!  ...far too many grey hairs already too... ...if someone screamed or stated speaking in tongues I'd have a coronary 
"Man worst fear is the fear of the unknown"...
If I needed to channel...I'd try a different portal...spiritualist church probably. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 10:44:12 AM | | After reading through all these storys about spirits and goblins and proof of life after death im suprised nobody has sent any evidence off to scientists and paraphsycholigists especially the american one that is offering 2 million dollars to who ever can bring them evidence that is 100% believable everybody that has tried has been found out and those that say there really is life after death and have proof but wont go forward with there so called evidence come up with stupid excuses like oh i cant share my special powers with anyone because i will loose them or my powers are not to be used like that funny how tehre powers only work in private or with friends. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 10:58:53 AM | Bobandi
Sir William Crookes at the time he lived, was the UKs most highly distinguished physicist and chemist, holding the position that Steven Hawkins holds today as president of the royal society. He and many other distinguished scientists such as Logie Baird and Sir Oliver Lodge ran experiments on survival after death, but these scientists when they went public were castiagated by thr elite. Since they were proving that we survive death depsite not necessarily being Christians, it was too damaging to the status quo.
www.survivalafterdeath.org has all their researches and more, and http://www.cfpf.org.uk/, The Campaign for Philosophical Freedom is campaigning to have this and much more scientific research acknowledged.
Hope these are of interest.
The two key articles are
The Suppression of Knowledge
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/sok/sok-00.html
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The Scientific Proof of Life After Death
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/scientificproof/scientificproof1.html
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Posted: 1/8/2007 10:59:56 AM | | so what it must be then..is that 1000s of people..me included..must be telling lies or hallucinating when we say we have seen or heard a ghost...do you think we make these storys up for a joke...what is your theory then...? | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 11:02:48 AM | Wouldn't---heavily into it many years ago and some pretty scarey stuff occuring --- the last one being the glass took off--went at an angle UPWARDS and smashed against the wall , there was no way that could have been done by anything other than a melevolant force of some kind.
Not a chance and I wouldn't recommend it....but if you do best start with a prayer or two....... and finish with the same.
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Posted: 1/8/2007 11:04:13 AM | Sonny
It isnt just you. The FBI for mabe 20 or more years have been using people with shamanic capabilities for remote viewing. They do it because it works.
Russia for many years sanctioned scientific experiments on psychic phenomena - in many ways they are more advanced than the west. These experiments were described in a booked called Psychic Discoveries - The Iron Curtain Lifted.
Two books explain the coming together of people's spiritual experiences and new scientific theory:
The Holographic Universe
The Physics of Tao
Si | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 11:07:47 AM | bobandi: the american you are citing is james randi, a magician who bills hiomself as "the amazing randi", he has been approached by psychics from many quarters over a period of some twenty + years, only to make excuses at the last minute by not turning up for a meeting because of this or that, and part of his deal is to not have independant ajudicators, they have to be hand picked by him.
a friend of mine accepted the challenge around the mid 80`s but of course, mr randi sensed that he could be on a sticky wicket as the friend in question is very tatented and well known in these circles.
mr randi`s interests are there purely to publicise his own act (i dont know if he`s still around, haven`t come across him for a few years now).
(i have it on good authority that he, mr randi, never had that sort of money to speculate in the first place).
iv`e answered a similar question on the forums recently, and that is : there is proof everywere if you`re prepared to look for it.
if you are really interested, and you must admit that its an awfully absorbing and interesting subject to become immersed in, if you were to drop by at your local spiritualist church you will be guarunteed a warm welcome by people who dedicate a lot of their time and skills to helping and guiding people from all backgrounds, your personal religeon, or lack of,doesn`t come into the equation, as all gods children are welcome without question or prejidice | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 1:14:59 PM | so what it must be then..is that 1000s of people..me included..must be telling lies or hallucinating when we say we have seen or heard a ghost...do you think we make these storys up for a joke...what is your theory then...?
The reason for people seeing and hearing ghosts especially people they were close to is the mind playing tricks and the imagination trying to make sense of life and death and find comfort in the fact that there is an after life and that those close to you have gone to a better place it is human natue to believe that there are more powerful beings whether that be aliens or god out there. Its humans way of making sense of life the universe and everything. | |
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ruth78
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Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 61 | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 1:22:41 PM | i don't believe that at all, sorry, but it's not the mind playing tricks on us at all..lots of people don't believe in ghosts at all yet they see one and obviously believe in them after their vision..so it's not just people who want to see spirits that actually believe they've seen one, some people don't want to see one and still do.
i have never seen one but i believe in it and i have numerous times smellt my nans perfume even when i'm not thinking about her, and after 18 years since she died, i no longer think about her every waking hour.
try explaining why so many mediums are great then and get everything right! | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 2:20:24 PM | | well... if they get 'locked in the glass' you can always drink the spirit saving it going to waste, lol | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 2:43:19 PM | try explaining why so many mediums are great then and get everything right!
MSG 61 the reason mediums get things right is because they ask you things that you will answer without realising it and they say things that are normally a guess and in the hope of you contacting a missed loved one you then agree with them and give away little clues if you think you can smell your nans perfume it is just something that has triggered that memory in other words what most mediums are is frauds. for instance a mate of mine showed me a picture of a ghost that a medium he knew had taken he did not see the picture on the camera phone as she would not let him as it would vanish first the picture had to be texted to har friend up north for her to put it on the pc then print it out and post it back and he believes its real i dont | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 3:35:03 PM |
MSG 61 the reason mediums get things right is because they ask you things that you will answer without realising it and they say things that are normally a guess and in the hope of you contacting a missed loved one you then agree with them and give away little clues if you think you can smell your nans perfume it is just something that has triggered that memory in other words what most mediums are is frauds. for instance a mate of mine showed me a picture of a ghost that a medium he knew had taken he did not see the picture on the camera phone as she would not let him as it would vanish first the picture had to be texted to har friend up north for her to put it on the pc then print it out and post it back and he believes its real i dont
What a load of nonsense
a real medium NEVER asks questions.... and would never dream of trying to put ideas into your head...
I suggest you stop watching Derren Brown | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 3:40:18 PM | I agree with you ruth78.I have always believed that there is life after death.But when my gran died 5 years ago ,i saw her stod behine me in a mirrow,i totally S**T myself.I have never been so scared in my life.She looked so real,and i know it WASNT my mind playing tricks.
It was at my mums house where it happened and i neally fainted,i flew down her stairs missing all the steps and was screaming!Now that was freaky.It took me ages to look in a mirrow,i argued with my x who i was with at the time to stop in with me.I had panic attacks.
I knew my gran would never hurt me,but it s**t me up actually seeing someone dead stod behind me! | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 3:46:45 PM | Oh what a load of old rubbish.
not ONE controlled experiment has shown ouija boards to do anything more than let people dig into their own subconcious. Its not talking to the dead, its a device to read your own hidden thoughts.
Come on people... occam's razor et.al! | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 4:44:58 PM | spyro2: you are both right and you are wrong in your assumptions, before i explain why, and with respect, when you start your gambit with "what a load of old rubbish", you do yourself and your viewing audience no favours, as by starting a message with a negative like that, you will alienate yourself from a certain sector of your audience before you have said a word in defence of your story.
i have also witnessed the other side of you, and have been impressed in the past with your contributions.
so, you are right in the fact that a certain type of person can be impressionable and indeed decieve themselves, to the point where the self deception belives the lie, but where your comments fall down is the fact that almost anything can be used as a focus of concentration for serious channelling, and that includes the spirit board. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 4:58:58 PM |
the fact that almost anything can be used as a focus of concentration for serious channelling,
You cant just use anything. It depends on the make and model of your tv.
I bought one of those universal remote controls that operates the tv,video and dvd player. Its good for serious Channeling but i always find that even with over 900 channels at my disposal i can still not find anything worth watching. Although,i think The Hallmark channel is planning on repeating the whole series of 'Tenko' soon so i guess it's not all bad.
PS - This is what part of the alphabet would look like if they eliminated Q and R. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 5:19:36 PM | What a load of nonsense
a real medium NEVER asks questions.... and would never dream of trying to put ideas into your head...
I suggest you stop watching Derren Brown
I have never known anybody that has gone to a medium and not been asked any questions if they did not ask anything how do they know they got it right that would be like going to a doctor not being asked anything and given any result for any test the doctor happens to pick up. What you are really saying is i could go to a real medium as you put walk in and they will know all about me like my name where i live what my future is and why if they know everything do they not win the lottery every week oh yer thats right if they show there magic power they loose it what a load of crap that is | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 5:30:38 PM |
What you are really saying is i could go to a real medium as you put walk in and they will know all about me like my name where i live what my future is and why if they know everything do they not win the lottery every week oh yer thats right if they show there magic power they loose it what a load of crap that is
Well for a start, a medium is given the gift from a higher power, this gift would be taken away instantly if they used it for wrong (for example predicting the lottery). They are mediums, they get messages from people who are watching over you.......
It is not a "Magic Power", it is a gift
if you want to see what your future holds, it will be difficult, a proper medium will tell you only a few months in advance, as that is all they can do
You dont "feed" the medium with questions and they do the same, they will ask if you can accept a message..... | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 11:40:40 PM | | My point exactley if tehy show they can really do it then there gift is taken away proof anough that they dont have any gift and what higher power gave them this gift and why give them something they cant use as it will get taken away if they use it for wrong stuff surely its wrong to tell people there future like if you told someone they will die next week they may go on a rampage | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 1:29:01 AM | What kind of higher power would give enough of a stuff about our societies morals and financial chicanery to bother to check on wether their 'chosen one' is using their power for profit?
besides, with all that money they could give to charity! (modulo the above point about said higher being actually giving a stuff...) | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 8:53:54 AM |
The Suppression of Knowledge
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/sok/sok-00.html
What an awful article. not one verifiable _fact_ in the whole thing - it references oodles of hearsay but no actual facts.
Its certainly not a proof in any sense I can determine, let alone a scientific proof. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 10:58:53 AM | I think on this subject we have to say "each to thier own" what people beleive is upto them.
I never gave the afterlife or spirits a thought untill my dad died last year, and I started my spiritual journey (no you dont need a passport).
I do not feed the medium I see, I am not a mug.... and what I have had back, noone would ever know unles it was my dad.
On one occation this medium said "your going on a train trip, to scotland, pullman style"
Now I hardly look like a train buff do I, and to come up with scotland pullman style.
He was bang on, I was taking my dads place on a train trip he had booked Settle to Scotland on a steamtrain in a old pullman carraige!!
Now unless he was a mind reader, who else couldnt have told him this info
I am happy with my beleif, and my spiritual understanding will serve me well when I pass on, and go to a higher plane than non beleivers..
As for the board.... never mess with something you dont understand | |
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ruth78
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Posted: 1/9/2007 11:05:52 AM | Msg 63, i know for sure the medium i see isn't a fake and doesn't ask me a single question..i gave her a photo of someone who died who i was close to..she gave me his name first, the car he was driving when he died, how he'd broken his leg at work once (which i didn't even know, i had to ask my brother for confirmation and yes it was true)..
each to their own i suppose, but i know for sure there's something out there, and because you don't believe mediums are for real, i take it you've never been to one then? which means really you have no idea what you're actually talking about!
another medium i saw only took donations as payment, either you give nothing, or something small that you can afford, now if he was a fake, people wouldn't keep going back to him, and he'd certainly charge alot and advertise in the local paper as some of the "fakes" do..
by accepting the information you're being given by the medium is not letting them know more about you at all.
the medium i see asked me to give someone a message from someone who'd passed over, she asked if i understood and i said i didn't know who she was talking about, but she would not leave it, she kept saying "i can't leave this, this message is for this person and you know this person, please go away think about it because it's definately with you. i'm not letting it go"..
if she was a fake, she'd have said "oh nevermind then, it's obviously for someone else by mistake, i'll move along" and would have gone onto something else. | |
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