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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/22/2007 10:41:09 AM | | I just love it. Leave it to the kids to help solve a situation that adults can't seem to do. Also, gives you hope that the world isn't poluted with teenage criminals running around...there are some very decent kids out there. Their parents should be proud as hell. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/22/2007 11:28:39 AM | ^^^ quickly throws kanyan another 't' hehe
OT: I love the story behind the pink. I think that is the only way the bullying, the swarmings, and the violence involving young people is going to stop.
And that is with people binding together and not letting it continue.
We all know strength in numbers works best. Kudos to the good kids! | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/22/2007 12:02:21 PM |
Almost as surprising, Paige commited a spelling error(sorry Leafs)
Now now Y, you know the difference between a spelling error and typo 
I do know that random has NO e
LOL@ Darlena  | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/27/2007 6:33:18 PM | As the first "youth" poster to this thread I would like to say I agree violence among young people is rising and the law does nothing to stop it. Youth justice act is unlikely to change anytime soon and even if it did it would take a while for its changes to take effect. Its better to take your own safety into your own hands instead of relying on the police or government TKD is a good martial art to learn. I only got my green belt and it has help me out of some rough situations many times. If your really worried about swarmings you could go to an army surplus store they sell collapsible batons, mace and sometimes tazers all of which are illegal with out a permit which only people who work for security company's can get. Non lethal weapons for self defense illegal and poor laws that do little to protect its citizens another instance where the system has failed. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/28/2007 8:45:56 PM | | Hard to believe no comments on the story of the girl in Dartmouth! Beaten drastically by three other girls. The description of the offences is sickening! I just don't get what they were thinking! | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/29/2007 2:47:23 AM | leafs, I started to comment at least a dozen times, but I am finding it hard to type what I am thinking. I am sickened and saddened and can't believe that humans, and especially women, (who are normally thought of as nurturers) are capable of doing such evil things.
And to see the 18 yr old's picture on the front page, it does show us that 'evil' doesn't always look like something out of a horror movie.
One more thing for now, as I am on my way out the door for work..... the three accused should be charged with Attempted murder....NOT aggravated assault. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/29/2007 10:12:10 AM | The neighborhoods around John Martin Junior High have always been a bit on the rough side...years ago, when students from John McNeil Junior High used to have to go to John Martin for Industrial Arts classes (there were no metal or wood shops at John McNeil) the John Martin students would routinely ambush the John McNeil students using pellet guns, rocks, bottles, etc...just another day at school...and at night, neighborhood cats would get bricks tied to their tails, then doused in gasoline and set on fire by Albro Lake to see if the cat could drag itself into the lake before becoming incinerated.
(that's where the old joke "How do you make a cat sound lke a dog?" comes from...douse it in gas, drop a match..."Woof!")
My son got mugged the other day at Sunnyside Mall, which was in the paper the same day as the rat-girl getting pounded.
He was cornered by surprise by a big black guy who got up in his grill and threatened to "bus' his head open" unless he gave up his money...my boy had a 20 on him, which the tough guy snatched and ran with....I thought it was funny that the guy ran away with 20 bucks, pulling his gangsta jeans up as he ran. Some tough guy...didn't even ask for the cell phone, watch or wallet. I figure my son and I will see him somewhere, someday and then the real fun will begin, white suburban style...there just aren't that many young black gangsta wanna-be's hanging around Sunnyside Mall.
Bedford Code, yo.
Anyway, I gather the girl in the north end had been ratting out her crime buddies about something....and under the Hoodlum Code, rats get a beating. Respect.
Just like that Downie guy playing for the Flyers with the head hit....one day, someone's going to kick his ass, NHL style. The Code, yo. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/29/2007 10:40:52 AM | "Racist"...that's hilarious.
If I said I didn't like bagels and lox ...would that make me an anti-semite in your wee little worldview, homeboy?
"Disconcerting"...I don't recall you being able to handle anything so polysyllabic ...did someone hijack your account? | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/29/2007 11:24:22 AM | | "Then the real fun will begin, white suburban style" If thats not racist I don't know whay is. Revenge is never they way to go first you want revenge then he wants revenge and the chain continues. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/29/2007 12:20:59 PM | Obviously you don't roll Bedford Style.
We'll corner the n'erdowell and debate him into tears and might possibly write a stern warning letter to his mommy...whereupon he'll pay back the 20 with interest compounded semi-daily at prime plus 3. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 9/29/2007 1:41:48 PM |
Bedford Code, yo.
Anyway, I gather the girl in the north end had been ratting out her crime buddies about something....and under the Hoodlum Code, rats get a beating. Respect.
Just like that Downie guy playing for the Flyers with the head hit....one day, someone's going to kick his ass, NHL style. The Code, yo.
And your attitude unfortunately is a big part of the problem. A lot of these kids are trying to emulate their parents or older siblings to try and get their respect, but many of them do not have the moral or ethical judgment skills to go with the motive. Hence why they use their fists instead of their head to deal with things.
If you want make change then start by being a better example to kids. Help catch the guy that robbed your kid if you like, but dont expect that criminal to learn anything by a beating from you. The punishment has to fit the crime, and beatings rarely do. Your mouthing off like that may make you feel better, but if you talk like that around kids then you are planting the seeds of your own future.
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 10/1/2007 11:20:52 AM | To Misterman,
I was raised in Bedford until I was 13. Here is Bedford Style when I lived there:
1. They stereotype people by income and race
2. If two kids get in a fight and one is middle class and the other poor or a miniority, its somehow the poor or minority’s fault. Even if the middle class kid is the aggressor, the other MUST have done something to provoke them.
3. Whenever someone steps out of the stereotype, they treat them as anomoly rather than adjust their views on their stereotype.
4. Bullying is not taken seriously and just not dealt with. In school the victim was punished just as much as the bully for 'participating'. They just would suspend them all so they didn't have to figure out who was to blame. There were huge bullying problems in the schools I went to and swarmings were a regular occurrence as far back as elementary school. They just didn't have a name for it then. It was like Lord of the Flies School.
5. Give out different punishments based on income bracket and race. Rich kids get the libary. Poor, lower middle class and minorities got to sand down desks, clean toilets, wash windows. Custodial staff had it very easy there.
The white poor, blacks, and natives were the most impacted by all this going. I did much better in school and life when I moved to a town that wasn't so classist. I don't think the school system nor the 'society' of Bedford would have let me succeed.
Oh, and I was swarmed at Sunnyside Mall when I was 13....by white girls, one of which was a 17 year old middleclass basketball player. Why? Because a guy she liked mentioned he thought I was pretty....not because I ratted. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 10/1/2007 11:30:03 AM | ^^^^^ O f course that was over 22 yrs ago.
Things must have changed since then because I never heard any of those type of stories from my daughters when they went to Bedford schools in the late 90's. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 10/1/2007 1:31:19 PM | Maybe they were too busy sanding desks and washing windows to find the time to tell you. (ha)
Back on point...I don't think youth violence is out of control in Nova Scotia...I think there are more media outlets with the need for more content.
Today for example local talk radio was blathering for hours abut two kids fighting over a baseball cap, which would/should hardly be considered newsworthy. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 10/1/2007 3:35:28 PM | | I consider the stabbing of an american sailor near Barrington St. and security guard at Pier 21 and the beating of an old woman by multiple teens with a metal chair in the commons all to be newsworthy. Youth violence is definitely out of control in the HRM, I don't know about the rest of NS. | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 10/1/2007 5:15:43 PM | Things did change when they started cracking down on youth. The malls were filled by teens with no money and sticky fingers. They removed the arcades and put in loitering policies which eventually changed the malls. Higher end stores then started to come in. Mister's comments just reminded of the attitude which causes the situation to develop in the first place.
Not to shatter Mister's bubble that we have no youth violence issue in NS but:
"Nova Scotia has the highest overall crime rate in the Atlantic Provinces. The Nova Scotia average is 7.5% higher than the national average.
· Nova Scotia has the highest rate of youth assaults and youth-violent-crimes in the Atlantic Provinces. The youth assaults rate in Nova Scotia is 52.7% higher than the national average. The youth-violent-crime rate in Nova Scotia is 42.8% higher than the national average.
· Nova Scotia has the highest rate of assaults and violent crimes in the Atlantic Provinces. The assaults rate in Nova Scotia is 28.6% higher than the national average. The violent crime rate in Nova Scotia is 20.6% higher than the national average.
· Nova Scotia has the highest homicide rate in the Atlantic Provinces with a rate of 2.1 homicides per 100,000 population. The Nova Scotia average is 5% higher than the national average.
· Among the 30 largest cities/municipalities in Canada, Halifax has the highest national violent crime rate at 1,790 per 100,000 population."
http://www.nsliberalcaucus.com/news.asp?nid=146&tag= | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 10/1/2007 5:37:30 PM | I guess if you want to rely on the provincial Liberal Party for your stats (snicker), fill your boots...but why believe minority government opposition politicians when you can use Stats Can figures ???
The TRUTH is that crime in Canada is declining annually, and is at its lowest rate since the 1970's.
In the most recent rates released, crime declined in Nova Scotia by 5.1% overall...TRUTH: Nova Scotia keeps getting safer and less violent every year.
The Western Provinces and Northern territories have the highest rates of violent crime across the board in Canada, though they also continue to drop each year...Regina and Edmonton have been trading places as the most violent places to live in Canada for years.
see:
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/060720/d060720b.htm
Or, if REAL statistics are too much for you...here's a CBC.ca article from July of 2007:
"Toronto crime rate among lowest in country: StatsCan
Last Updated: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 | 3:55 PM ET
CBC News
The Toronto area has the second-lowest crime rate of all large urban regions in Canada, behind Quebec City, according to figures released Wednesday by Statistics Canada.
Greater Toronto had 5,020 criminal code offences in 2006 for every 100,000 people. Winnipeg, Vancouver and Edmonton recorded more than twice as many.
For violent crime, there were 738 offences, with only Ottawa and Quebec registering lower rates for their populations.
A large city or area, according to the study, was defined as having a population of 500,000 and over.
"Toronto is actually one of the safest communities in Canada," University of Ottawa criminologist Ron Melchers told CBC News.
Contrary to popular belief, smaller cities in Western Canada have more crimes per capita, with Regina claiming the dubious distinction as Canada's crime capital.
The capital of Saskatchewan had 12,415 criminal code offences per 100,000 of population, and 1,546 of those were considered violent." | |
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| Youth violence in Nova Scotia, Is it out of control
Posted: 10/1/2007 5:40:23 PM | Great stats LBP. However, only the second one is related to the Youth.
Let's not forget that NS is the largest province, population wise, in Atlantic Canada and thus higher rates can be expected due to a higher populace. And Halifax is also the largest city.
I never checked the website submitted, but what is considered a violent crime?
For stats people something that most wouldn't consider as violent, is considered as violent. Is an armed robbery considered violent because of the threat, even though no one was hurt???
I guess I need more details.
Maybe if I visited that site.  | |
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