| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/5/2007 10:41:14 PM | | Chinua, 2000 years after Jesus of Nazareth died, millions of people worldwide continue to worship Him and read his words for insight. Though Genghis Khan was probably the greatest military leader in history and still revered in the Far East, he does not come close to Jesus. | |
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chinua
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/6/2007 9:32:19 AM | | He should!! not just because he was a military leader; he went from nothing(his father was murdered)- to being that military leader. He encouraged religious freedom; he encouraged people of all walks of life to read and write..........the book on just him alone is .....huge.As for Jesus?? those aren't his words. They are rumours. He'd probably be shocked at what people are saying now. And the Mongols think of Chinggis(his real name) Khan the same way you do Jesus. | |
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Posted: 3/6/2007 11:16:45 PM | The point was not if he should or not, the point was that there is no close second to Jesus of Nazareth and His impact on World History. A better case could be stated for Muhammed than Genghis Khan. Although if he had anything to do with the wonderful Mongolian Barbecue place nearby, I think he is swell.
How do you know those "aren't" the words of Jesus? | |
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chinua
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/7/2007 9:36:16 AM | | ............................................................................................................................we don't know anything...........because the 'words' were written hundreds of years after he died. There is disputes over who was even his disciples. We know he existed. thats about it. | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/7/2007 6:40:01 PM | | Jesus was Jewish. Which means he would probably have dark hair, dark eyes, and dark skin from the desert. King of Kings baby | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/7/2007 10:51:36 PM | Chinua, would you mind telling me where and who is disputing who His disciples were? I was unaware that there was controversy on this one.
By the way, maybe Genghis Khan wasn't quite the person he was made out to be. Maybe they exaggerated his power to inspire the masses or to instill fear in nearby countries. | |
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chinua
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/8/2007 9:35:29 AM |  exactly my point- as for the disciple thing- check the other threads.
As for what colour Jesus would be; the same as everybody else in his country! Although, just like now, people did move around; and mix- but it is very doubtful that he was blonde & blue eyed. | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/8/2007 2:21:08 PM | I find the statement about Jesus being one of the most influential men kind of interesting. I think He can be called THE most influential Man in World History. Is there even a close second?
2 billion plus Muslims would say Mohammed was more influential.......... | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/10/2007 8:19:38 PM | A year or so back I did some research about how Jesus looked for an adult Bible study I was conducting. Here’s the result of the research:
His complexion was probably very dark because of walking in the sun all the time.
He was not a handsome man (Isaiah 5:2).
He had short black or dark brown hair because Nazarene’s only had long hair during consecration and afterward the hair was cut short and burned.
He may or may not have had a beard.
His eyes were dark brown.
He stood around 5’1” or 5’2”.
He was strong, sinewy, and muscular because of his carpenter occupation.
In 2002 Israeli and British forensic anthropologists and computer programmers created a face that depicts what the average male Jew during Jesus’ time may have looked like. They determined he would have a broad face and nose, dark olive skin, short curly dark hair, and would be about 5’1” tall and weigh around 110 lbs. According to experts at the time, this was a better representation of how Jesus may have looked than any artist’s depiction.
From scripture, we know he wasn’t a handsome man (Isaiah 5:2). Furthermore, we know there was little to differentiate him from the band of Apostles he surrounded himself with because the soldiers with Judas could not pick him from the others even though he preached to thousands and was commonly in the temples (John 18:4-8, Luke 22:47-48). | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 3/11/2007 10:44:40 PM | OP: true indeed. I have noticed he looks more "white". Not necessarly American, but depicted not to have inherited the ethnic backgrounds in the geographical location that he was born. There are so many scandals, lies, false truths and such in christian history that made it my primary reason not to even believe in this man made creation. Even the bible talks about currupt churches, which I will interpret as religions, and not one specifically mentioned the worshiping of the fallen angel - interesting?
Although, not on topic, but I pretty much remember the Catholic Bible, mentioning the revelation (revealing) of Satan's ultimate deception, but doesn't mention what is is, neither does it mention clearly in the book of revelations exactly what is the end to come. Put two and two together. Has anyone ever thought that maybe the bible itself is the greatest deception? How much of an open mind do you have?
No, I am not a "satan" follower, nor a worshiper of evil. Neither am I an advocate of "Truth" and God in the portrayal the world tells of.
I am a believer in self. I am someone who believes we are who we make of ourselves in life and in death. I guess that means everyone wins regardless of what religion they follow or what God they worship. The Bible is just one example and the Word is Belief. That is the secret to salvation. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 1:04:59 AM | His complexion was probably very dark because of walking in the sun all the time.
He was not a handsome man (Isaiah 5:2).
He had short black or dark brown hair because Nazarene’s only had long hair during consecration and afterward the hair was cut short and burned.
He may or may not have had a beard.
His eyes were dark brown.
He stood around 5’1” or 5’2”.
He was strong, sinewy, and muscular because of his carpenter occupation.
In 2002 Israeli and British forensic anthropologists and computer programmers created a face that depicts what the average male Jew during Jesus’ time may have looked like. They determined he would have a broad face and nose, dark olive skin, short curly dark hair, and would be about 5’1” tall and weigh around 110 lbs. According to experts at the time, this was a better representation of how Jesus may have looked than any artist’s depiction
Vindication by anthropologists...I believe I said in another post that he likely looked much more like Jamie Farr than Jim Caviezel.
I bet you a salami sandwich from Tony Packo's cafe and a signed medical discharge for "mental instability" from the desk of Col. Sherman T. Potter that Jesus looked just like Klinger...but dressed more rustically...and no heels! | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 3:07:16 PM | | It's common sense to us today that Jesus would have to be dark mediterranean jew. Of course. however, the europeans evidently wanted a god that looked like them. So that's how he was white. It's just as humorouse that his mother was blonde and blue eyed. Times are changing. I would think the churches would have a Jesus that looked like Jesus. If not, they are goofy. Often, church leaders are afraid of changing anything for fear the people will have them removed from authority. If you want Jesus to be depicted correctly, address it with your church. | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 6/3/2007 10:53:08 AM | | Josephus is considered a very significant historical source. The stone fragment bearing the inscription Pilate Prefect is considered definitive archeological evidence. So your comments "whatsoever" and "absolutely" mean very little. | |
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| which jesus do you worship?
Posted: 6/3/2007 11:55:15 AM | Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many! He could have easly been of color, why not there were at least 12 of them.
The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yeshua ben Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Ioshu in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.
Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:
Jesus ben Sirach. This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.
Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophesy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.
Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:
"A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."
(Josephus, Wars 6:3)
Arrested and flogged by the Romans, he was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.
Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias. When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.
Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.
Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus. | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 6/3/2007 1:19:27 PM | There was nothing about Jesus that made Him stand out (physically) from others of His nation, says the Bible, so He had to have had brown eyes, brown hair, yada yada.
When I picture Him in my head, I really don't picture Him as a person anyway, so I don't know why many prefer to see Him as a certain color...maybe they feel more comfortable thinking they are "like" Him? | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 9:39:22 PM | Josephus is considered a very significant historical source. The stone fragment bearing the inscription Pilate Prefect is considered definitive archeological evidence. So your comments "whatsoever" and "absolutely" mean very little.
Complete malarkey. Josephus' comment on Jesus is widely considered to be a late insertion - a pious forgery. If it had been quoted at least in Origen Contra Celsum, it might - MIGHT - have had a slight claim to antiquity...alas it was not referenced in this or any older document. No serious secular historian considers Josephus comments about Jesus (of the Gospel narratives) in the Antiquities as valid in any way. If you can find one...a serious historian, not an apologist with a religious agenda to push, I'd dearly love to see it. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 10:52:36 PM | | Why do the symbols and cultural references have to be new? We are enbedded in the culture, we can't deny the fact that we are part of it right? I mean... symbols and traditions, as important as they are, are not supposed to be... distinct, are they? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 10:24:36 AM | OP, I really don't care if Jesus was black, white or in between. He was a Jew so its likeley he was an Arab. If he was born on the lower sarah I'd assume he was black, however he wasn't even born in Africa as far as I know. I would agree he could have been a man of color if you count Arabs in your analogy. There are also very light Jews too, so you can't discount that.
If you believe Jesus died for you, why do you care what color he was? Would his sacrifice have any less meaning if he didn't meet your ethnic expectations? If you believe in the bible, you should believe Jesus died for ALL mankind...and his color shouldn't matter to you.
If I thought Jesus was black and I believed he died for me...I would still be greatful. According to the Bible Jesus suffered greatly in every way possible. The bible tells in graphic detail of his suffering that should bring a tear to your eye. Could you watch a stanger suffer like that? And if a stranger died to save your life, even in a non-biblical way, would you care what color he/she was? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 1:09:36 PM | Isn't it amazing how Jesus' ethnic background almost always patterns itself after the congregation of a specific church? In an african american congregation or family, He is often depictured as black skinned, in a European descent congregation or family, He is often depicted as white, etc. Somehow everyone wants to believe that Jesus looked like them! But, in fact, Jesus is part of God and God says that He created all of us in His own image, so there must be similiar physical, intellectual, and emotional characteristics that span a length beyond color of skin. Could it be that God puts much less weight on color of skin than we do in society?!
Personally, based on my knowledge, I'm quite content with the imagery of Jesus coming from Arabic ethnicity. Given His family heritage, location, and such, it seems logical that He (and His mother, Mary) had dark hair, dark eyes, and olive toned skin. That being said, whatever infant is available to play the part of Jesus in the annual Christmas program will be just peachy! :) | |
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Posted: 9/11/2007 2:02:55 PM | | yeah, i think each nationality and culture has their own depiction of what Christ looks like. I think people take what is comforting or what they are used to, and that is how they see Christ. IF you think about it, he was of Jewish descent and more than likely not going to have blonde hair and blue eyes. I doesn't honestly matter to me what he looks like. I just keep reminding my grandma, that Jesus prob didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes. She didn't like the Passion of Christ because he looked too "dark". I think we get too focused on such mundane things. | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 9/11/2007 3:23:26 PM | seededearth said...
not to mention the first chapter of Revelations
Revelations describes the color of Jesus' hair, not the texture.
Pleasantron said...
He had short black or dark brown hair because Nazarene’s only had long hair during consecration and afterward the hair was cut short and burned.
I agree that Jesus had short hair, but he wasn't a Nazarite (Jewish monk who grew his hair long), he was a Nazarene (a person from Nazareth).
MadFiddler said...
bet you a salami sandwich from Tony Packo's cafe
Tony Packo's sells hot dogs, I don't believe you can get any sandwiches there. | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 9/11/2007 3:31:28 PM | Jesus was a Jew, long black curly hair and big nose....he was not Anglo saxon, blonde hair blue eyes.
then again..there were 8 of them running around at the time | |
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Posted: 9/11/2007 8:13:25 PM | | Yes, Jesus was a Jew, and so therefore he was darker skinned. I think the anglo church has depicted him this way because of their past (hopefully not as prevalent nowadays) racist views. | |
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| Jesus As A Man Of Colour
Posted: 9/11/2007 9:03:29 PM | | Hell look at where jesus supposedly lived. If he was real there is no way in hell he would be white with blond hair. Its just another way to prove that the church has changed stuff and therefore cant be trusted. | |
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