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Algy
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| The touching of SOULS..........
Posted: 1/15/2007 1:56:55 PM | | This thread is reminiscent of Richard Bach’s book “One”. I’m a skeptical on the topic. I’ve had some pretty meaningful relationships but I can’t say that I ever had the pleasure of melding souls; superior understanding, sympathetic thought, kindred spirits... yes. Touching a soul, no. I’m with Mustang. I think that what your describing is just a dam* good relationship - nothing ethereal about it. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 3:45:54 PM | ^^^^^ I don't think Mustang says it is impossible (post #14).... from what I understand, he is saying it is a rare relationship though. To have a "soul touching" relationship, you must first know and love your own soul.... and so many people are very unfamiliar with that part of themself. You also have to love yourself unconditionally, without barriers.... or you cannot give that kind of love, nor can you lower your barriers for another.... not a simple task. I have unconditional love from my partner, for the first time in my life, and it truly is "soul touching"..... we have a connection that is similar to that of twins, whether we are together or not. It is beyond intimacy, and more than unconditional love.... hard to explain it to one who has not experienced it, but you know when you have it.
@wicked and wise - post #96 - so many things I agree with there.... yes, more of us are becoming spiritually aware and conscious, if you will. A lot of what you write is so much like Buddhist teachings.... similar to how your friend explained to you. The way it was explained to me was to imagine we are a cup of water, taken from the ocean. While living on the earth, our life force/soul is the cup of water, and when we die, we are returned to the ocean... but we never change from being water in a cup (a spiritual being in a physical body), and there is an energy that connects all of the souls.... those that are "aware" are those that feel the connections with other souls.
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Posted: 1/15/2007 4:59:48 PM | Oh, such a wonderful topic. Kudos to you OP, for posting it.
I am in agreement with so many. Until you have dived into your own soul, you can never have that deep a connection. I have lamented the many "surface" relationships I have encountered; just when things should go deeper, they don't.
Hey, there is a line in a song by a songwriter who wrote much about just this kind of "soul connected" relationship....
"you can't go back to sleep
once you see what you have seen
and know what you know about love."
You CANNOT go back to sleep. I'm good with that.
Again, thanks for posting such a thought provoking topic. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 5:30:26 PM |
we have a connection that is similar to that of twins, whether we are together or not. It is beyond intimacy, and more than unconditional love.... hard to explain it to one who has not experienced it, but you know when you have it.
Wow that is an amazing way to put it .......for I view it the same way exactly, meaning that it appears as if it is twin souls in how they relate to each other on every level of mind , body, heart , and of course the most powerful soul
Most excellent description Pearl........so glad that you have found this connection, may it be forever in duration.
we each climb a ladder through our own personal dimension. sometimes we fall off, sometimes we cling, sometimes we hold on and see through it's rungs. it's a matter of time and experience to get to the top, maintain balance and see past it's limitations.
Again a very good point to this thread of so many valuable perspectives.......
I visualize the journey to the soul to soul connection in much the same way, meaning the steps of a ladder taking us to the highest level that the soul can reach.
Each step is part of the journey in the growth process.........
Thanks for your poem addition "Jules" from two very well know soul mates.
I look forward to hearing more of those who are or have experienced the soul to soul connection and the process it took them to get to that point. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 5:31:18 PM | Although it is quite difficult (for me) to define what the soul is, it isn't that hard to define other states which affect us dramatically.
An excellant examination of this is found, in part, in the movie 'What the bleep do we know', or it's other title, 'Down the rabbit hole'. One of the two (I forget) is a movie with interviews, the other is mostly just the interviews. Though the premise of that production attempts to grapple with new concepts of spiritualism as allowed by new concepts being revealed in advanced quantum mechanics and string-theory, there are a number of excellant interviews related to the Op's theme here. Highly recomended.
What is love? What is lust? What is spiritual communing? Are any of them seperate? Seperate but intertwined?
After long exposure to this subject, that of souls, I've often come across the sentiment that when we, as humans (I'll keep it to our species though I personally don't think the matter is in the least confined to us), go through traumatic emotional/mental/life changes, that often such things are related to movements/conditions/affections of the soul.
For example: I'm in love with him. He's my soul-mate. I've never felt such a bond with anyone else. Then, a year or decade later: too bad he turned out to be such a jerk and bonked his secretary. He's such a complete @sshole, I hate him.
Was there an original touching of souls? How powerful a movement in ourselves this thing called love is. And it's twin, let us not forget, hate. It is curious we don't attach a lot of our negative attributes to the 'soul'. When was the last time you heard 'He's my anti-soul-mate, that's why I hate him more than any other human on the face of this planet--he's my one true hate'?
We are quick to say hate springs from the mind, a clash of values perhaps, or a grave difference in ideals--those ideologies and tennets we've decided to attach ourselves to over the years.
Yet we are not quick to say the same of love. We give it an ephereal status, something beyond mere mortal divination or cause or affect. Unfortunately, such is not the case. It has been proven repeatedly that the state of 'love', much as the state of 'hate' is largely caused by an infusion of chemicals throughout the body and brain. A honeing of our entire being to fixate on some external source of love and hate, and to pit much of our life energy into dealing with it.
I'm sure Nature wouldn't care to have apathetic borred species out there, species who would as soon as look at a great genetic match as scratch their bums and wonder if the nuts in the bush down the valley are edible or not.
Love isn't proof positive of a soul. Neither is hate. It is proof positive of very ancient breeding mechanisms hard-wired in to our species. Can the soul be felt more during great emotional moments? Possibly. Can the mind be made to feel more alive or crushed or mangled by chemical influences? Without doubt.
I do personally think/feel/believe/sense there to be a thing called 'soul'.
Is mine different than you who are reading this? I don't know--I'm not in your body. We both have seperate forms, life experiences, personalities, that's for sure--but is the core thing different? Impossible to say until we can figure out a way to 'be' in other peoples 'being-ness'.
Resonating with others, sifting down through the cracks between the puzzle-pieces of their personalities that we perhaps hold unique keys too to see/sense/be-with/recognize their soul is perhaps, for me, the more intriguing aspect of the Op's thread.
Perhaps this is why children are so close to life. As we grow, our personalities grow like mountains... colossal creations dealing with the myriad aspects of human reality that we must interface with. Children are not so weighted down and buried by our grown-up 'baggage'. As anyone who knows who's watched them, children have an affinity with each other, an instant love/likeing/friendship/kinship which is remarkable, ever-present and beyond the ken of us adults.
But I dunno... I'm just a simple savage who likes to keep things as simple as possible. | |
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Joined: 9/27/2006
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| The touching of SOULS..........
Posted: 1/15/2007 5:38:55 PM | Most people will not, and/or are afraid, to open themselves up so that a special someone can touch their Soul. What a pity.... | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 5:46:03 PM | Dear Wicked and Wise,
My thought will seem strange but I own them so here goes...I believe it is the easiest thing to join souls. I believe this is done when 2 bodies become one flesh..thus a piece of our heart is torn after the relationship doesn't work out.
Days are filled with thoughts of sorrow, longing mourning etc..which I feel stem from the most intimate moment of ones life...the giving of oneself away to another person..
who at THAT time is seeing all of you..and being present there in that moment .. with ones heart believing ...and hoping (the significant other feels the same way too) and realize the scaredness of this moment ..
However, how many times this occurs in ones life I feel a tear happens to one's heart and disillusionment sets in...
Alot of times ...things are NOT communicated in the relationship through fun times, serious times, sober times, frustrating times, happy times, celebrating times , talks are never done, and cuddling doesn't occur long enough...life isn't shared together..only pursued individually
Why isn't this accomplished..lack of time...I feel everyone is busy trying to find love instead of working on themselves and creating a loving atmosphere that draws love to you...
Life Time Decisions require special handling along with ones heart and affections...Guard your Heart...
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Posted: 1/15/2007 5:51:26 PM | Awe. Never ever thought I would hear that term again. I almost thought I had coined the term and that eas a long long time ago. Are we on the same page(talking about the same thing here)? Same as in, "let me craddle your soul". What happened in this world? I found that closeness when I was but 15 years old and then once again at the age of 19 on a train to Winnipeg with a (hurt)girl I spent the night with on that train and talked all night.
I see love (and) sex as something much more serious than most. To me those two are the most sacred rituals a person can experience. You certainly do not connect like that during a simple sexual escapade that lasts one night. Sex is something you build up to. (Good sex that is). Some call that, "The Chase" or "The Dance". If you really like it you savour it, play it out. There is a gradual build up that does finally climax one evening much later.
But the "Touching of souls" where two souls become as one is a benchmark in terms of 'closeness'. It's is without a dobt one of lifes most dramatic and overwhleming experiences equaled by none in my opinion
Then of course there are the phenominal celestial and spiritual experiences (see website called, CERI. Now we are really entering truely exotic experiences such as breaking into eccologies of souls (amongst other things). But to touch another's soul is in itself a truely deep experience for sure. Sharing is the element that brings us the closet (personal secrets) | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 5:54:51 PM | | The best way I can describe it is when two souls become one. It is such a secure feeling that someone else has that much deep in thier heart in common with what is deep in your heart. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 6:16:52 PM | weefishee.....would you mind emailing me a link to that website? I came up with many sites when I did a search, and none of them seem to pertain to the topic of discussion here. Because of your email restrictions....I cannot send you a pm. 
OT....
But the "Touching of souls" where two souls become as one is a benchmark in terms of 'closeness'. It's is without a dobt one of lifes most dramatic and overwhleming experiences equaled by none in my opinion
Yes, it is! And it seems utterly impossible to effectively describe......in words. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 6:33:39 PM | Instead of soul mates, how about spirit companion. Those who can walk for a lifetime with one are just well, special companion. Capable of breathing the others sprit and touching there soul, making it the best easiest job they have ever had.
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Posted: 1/15/2007 7:29:48 PM |
I look forward to hearing more of those who are or have experienced the soul to soul connection and the process it took them to get to that point.
I went through a lot of very tough times.... done a lot of living and a lot of healing too. My 20 yr. marriage was very abusive, and when the dust settled, it was time to figure out who I was..... and who I wanted to be. I did a lot of searching spiritually, and found what worked for me (I am primarily Buddhist).... and I finally decided I was ready to start dating again - it took me 4 yrs. of healing after the divorce to get to this point. After a few failed short term relationships, I realized that I was being taught through these people coming into my life.... my job was to learn, and hopefully not repeat the lesson again. I opened my eyes and began to notice 'synchronicity' in my life.... the things that seemed to be coincidence, but always seemed to be showing me something. Thru this process, I learned to know and love myself, and also not to take another person's baggage personally.... those were the big ones for me. AND.. I learned to surrender... to just "go with the flow". I met my partner about a year before we were dating, and I never thought of him 'that way'... and neither did he think of me that way. BUT... a couple of mutual friends - a male buddy of mine, and a female buddy of his - pushed us to give it a try. It has not required any major amounts of effort to make it work, it just seems to fit. The biggest challenge has been the logistics, as we are both single parents of 3 teens, and he works shifts, and lives 45 minutes away..... a challenge, yes... but not impossible. I don't think it would work though if we did not have the "soul connection" that we do.
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Posted: 1/15/2007 9:55:15 PM | subtle savage, some say that love is a "feeling". scott peck says it is a "decision", followed by an expression or action. by rooting and supporting the spiritual growth of a partner, even though some of the necessities may not behoove us personally, we are in essence "expressing" love. only the expression of love can theoretically be everlasting (should one of us so decide). when you are each the recipient of the other's expression of love, then you in IN SYNC.
ps. now if someone would tell me how to get those little squiggly figures on the side of this message onto my post, i would chose the dancing banana for this great thought. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 11:01:14 PM | Ok try this ...... Imagine being so in touch with someone that no matter what you say they understand, IE: an old pig statement = I want to do you till you bleed.... Meaning not nice.
Re-stated with a deep lover: I love you so much I want to do it till you bleed, but more, I want to crawl inside and become one with you, but bleed not blood my love for I could not hurt you, bleed but life into me so that we may be but one, of one heart, of one soul and of one life ..................
This is not just possible but has and is real for many people........ The key you ask to have this is from within........ All you have to do is learn each others morals and accept them fully or find another who you can accept........
We all have moral values that determine right and wrong, find out what each of you is about and if someone makes a mistake, look not at their action but what circumstances let to the mistake and you would realize in that state of mind would do the same, and presto the mistake is natural, accepted and forgotton.......... So what just happened is the mistake didn't offend you and none will so you are now in a perfect, connected, relationship, as he or she can do no wrong.......................
These relationships are deep! You just can get close enough to your partner....................
The perfect relationship will not fall on your lap you have to take a moment to study your partner........ choose if you accept their morals and make an effort to understand how they think! Then in the end, you will be awarded a relationship that is in fact deeper then the mind, and connected by your souls, you will revel ur deepest darkest secrets to this person and they to you, and no one will accept the whole of it as this person does........ | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 1:41:45 AM | | dano, so often a person judges their partner by their actions and themselves by their intentions. you have described an honoring of mutual intentions (circumstances constant),based upon shared values (morals). i couldn't agree with you more. finding another who you can accept and be accepted... well that's the "work" of the "journey". best of luck to you. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 6:03:51 AM |
The best way I can describe it is when two souls become one. It is such a secure feeling that someone else has that much deep in thier heart in common with what is deep in your heart.
I think what you are suggesting is the beginning phase of a soul to soul connection, in that when the hearts become open to each other and it is found that they share a common beat/openness that when this found to such an intensity that the two partners shall then have the ability to begin doing the work (which is joyful) to find the core innner place of their partner, meaning the soul.
Personally I find this process to be a joyful, free flowing, and natural process that once one find themselves in they simply cannot turn away from it nor want to.
Being in touch with ones spirituality I think is key........
@pearl........it seems that in a very uncanny way you and I have walked the same path of life, wonderful that we can reach a point of total healing to find ourselves with a partner that is understanding and can relate to our inner souls....Peace | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 9:52:25 AM | The notion of touching someone’s soul is romantic balderdash. Sure, we’d all like to think that souls can touch each other somewhere beyond the realm of the cognitive or emotional. And we’d all like to think that we’ve experienced something greater than mere chemistry. But that’s all it is - wishful thinking. You put two wishful-thinking idealists in a relationship and they want to believe that what they are feeling is unique and special. It’s not enough to love or to be in love, they have to have an upgrade.
Many of you have said that a person has to “open themselves” to the other to attain this state of ethereal unity. We “open” ourselves by cognitive and emotional interaction via physical medium - talking, actions. We open ourselves by making an effort to understand the other person and get past own ids and egos. Naturally it’s much easier to do with some people than others, but there is no magic in that. It’s just a matter of common backgrounds, similar perspectives and shared beliefs.
You can feel a spiritual connection to your pc if you ‘open’ yourself to it. You have to believe that it’s possible, you have to create the opportunity and you have to focus on it. Does it mean that my HP and I have touched souls when I get goose bumps? Or does it mean that I’m imagining something that I want to be true - a sense of kinship, shared being, a relationship with THIS computer that no-one else could have.
What you’re describing is love. Listen to the way you are describing it: openness, security, communication, recognition, a shared understanding of life and each other, promotes a sense of well being... that’s love people. It’s an emotion. There’s nothing mystical about it. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 10:37:23 AM | ^^ This is what I tried to say in my post - to lay out the neurological and social mechanics of being 'closely bonded'.
Our cognitive centers in the forebrain have the capacity to link our perception of a significant other that has many overlapping layers of strong bonding/acceptance to mu- and kappa opiod receptors. These are the same receptors that are fired if we engage in deep meditation, in guided dreaming and visualization techniques - or use psychotropic drugs - to stimulate release of feel good homrones - in this case, those that stimulate endorphin, cannabinoid, and oxytocin receptors in the brain.
The effect is that the brain is awash in psychosocial reinforcing compounds that afford this 'etherial' feeling of special bonding.
Its not evoked unless there is a lot of empathetic ties (overlapping partnering bonds). And, some individuals apparently do not have sufficient glial cell network plasticity to afford this flow of special feel good compounds. Not all brains are capable of this degree of what amounts to strong creativity or imagination overlay of interpersonal bonding.
Note that many have said that these 'soul matings' are not always long lasting and permanent. Thats due to differing rates of personal growth, changes in lifephase objectives, or /inelasticity/ or other irreconcilable differences in other sectors (religion, child rearing, family strife), that causes a a slow erosion of bond strength. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 10:54:49 AM | | I believe that every person has a soul mate.When the time is right for the two to meet it will happen because it is meant to.In between times it is possible to connect with other people but as you say, not in the same way as we will connect with our soul mate.It could take years to find our soul mate and i believe that for some it may not even be in this life, but the meeting will happen because it is meant to be.JMO. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 2:11:57 PM | Algy and Sombient, I understand your migivings about a "soul" connection. I agree that what some people describe as a "meeting of souls" is simply a close romantic/sexual attachment. We often engage in wishful thinking that the person who we have grown to love is our "soul mate", when down the road, we look back and see that it simply wasn't so.
I have had close emotional connections with past partners, and I married more than one of them. However, I never deluded myself that they were kindred spirits. They were men I liked, loved, and lusted. I felt we had a strong enough basis to build a life together. Obviously, I was mistaken.
I feel that I have now found a man with whom I have a soul connection---for the first time in my life. It is a different kind of connection from any in my past. If one has never experienced it, it is difficult to explain just how different it is from any other kind of connection.
However, I am realistic enough to know that two human beings with a soul connection are still two human beings. There are many challenges that can put a relationship asunder, not the least being the failings of the two humans involved.
This does not minimize the strength of the soul connection. It does not make it "balderdash". As I said earlier, simply being connected with a kindred spirit does not mean that one is intended to remain with that person for a lifetime. | |
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Algy
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Posted: 1/16/2007 3:11:03 PM | Gardennut: What ever you want to call it, I sincerely hope it works for you. May it last you long and serve you well.
I think it’s a fairy tale and potentially hazardous for all those folks who will hear it and expect that some day they too will have a magic relationship without friction or effort. The part I have a problem with is that nobody can tell us how to reach this fantasy kingdom or even describe how it’s different from any other great relationship. There are no instructions, no formula and no advice other than ‘open yourself up to it’. Lol. That sounds too much like religious mysticism to me. It’s like that old ontological argument that goes: (1) I define God to be X. (2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist. (3) Therefore, God exists. Except in this case we can’t even distinguish the difference between the emotion, love, and a ‘soul connection’. It’s improperly conceived.
I’d rather have you say: I got lucky. I met a great person. We communicate better than I have communicated with anyone before. We agree on everything that important to both of us. We are willing to put forth whatever effort is necessary to understand each other and resolve our differences. –That I could understand. But to call it a soul connection seems like you’re trying to candy coat it, or make it seem better than plain ol’ lowly love. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 5:02:40 PM |
I think it's a fairy tale and potentially hazardous for all those folks who will hear it and expect that some day they too will have a magic relationship without friction or effort.
Hoo boy, did I ever NOT say that!!! My kindred spirit relationship with my partner has abounded with friction and effort (to which I alluded in a previous post). It is the most intense and challenging relationship either of us has ever had. At times, both of us have been stretched almost beyond our capacity.
It is this way because of the incredible depth of our intellectual/emotional/spiritual connection. No-one has ever understood us the way we understand each other, because we are kindred spirits. This is a very different feeling from being "in love". I have been in love before. I have been deeply in love before. This is something different.
This is not to say that we are "soul twins" or anything so idealistic. We are not "perfect" for each other. It is because we are so willing to accept the flaws in each other that we have been able to weather the storms that such an intense relationship will inevitably bring. It simply feels that we are meant to be together, that our life paths have led us to this place where we were finally meant to connect.
Thank you, Algy, for you best wishes. I also wish you love in your life, be it candy-coated or the plain ol' lowly kind.  | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 6:36:53 PM | Sounds like one of those situations where when someone has experienced it they will know exactly what you are talking about here with soul connection.You don't even need to explain.
And if someone has not experienced it, it lies within the realms of fantasy for them, or wishful thinking.
So true about many things in life. You just can't "explain" sentient understandings. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 7:23:49 PM | Greetings ^^^^^^ My Clawed Friend!
I thought I had met someone like that in the last year. But life's
circumstances, just didn't allow for a relationship!
So, how is one to know? My best hunch, is that there
was a Soul connection, but my intellect, tells me that's
just fantasy!
So, Is it LIVE or is it MEMOREX? | |
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