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| | The touching of SOULS..........Page 7 of 11 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11) | Suddenly i hear his voice and smell his addicting cologne.
And at that moment i realized--I am no longer alone.
For he came to me like an armored knight.
Informing me that together --we were more than right.
He was all I'd ever dreamed of and longed for all my life.
And there he was--asking me to be his wife.
You see he came out of know where,
But without a doubt we knew...
That this incredible love was ours
And was long over due!!
Soul mates are real W&W! So hold on and don't let go
for their very rare -- I'm told!!
All the Best, you lucky wabbit!  
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Posted: 1/17/2007 11:40:16 PM | Before the net came along, I very rarerly heard the term 'soul-mate'. Perhaps this coincides with the demographics of my life, seeing as how I was about 25 when the net really started to come 'on-line', and perhaps I just wasn't associating with a lot of people who were looking for their 'soul mate', but I wager it's a term far more used now than pre-net days.
Much of what people are talking about here isn't differentiated from simple good 'ol love. Flow of energies? Why is everyone so quick to discount kitchen basic science? Sombient already explained the case of chemicals back a few pages, and did a far better job of it than I can.
Interesting how few people jumped up and down and said Exactly! That's exactly what I feel! How wonderful!
No, we'd rather believe this 'soul mate' love is beyond mere mortal flesh. That it isn't out of the kitchen, but up somewhere with the gods.
Even attributing fluxes of feelings and 'flow of energies' to the soul is somewhat dubious. How is the soul supposed to feel these things? React to them? Is there some centre in the brain or in the body where the soul-organism lives, some peculiar receptor site that can translate, feel, feed-back all of this practical matter?
I do not discount that people are deeply moved--clearly they are by their ruminations and statements here.
But speaking as someone who HAS felt this same 'soul-mate' experience, some 4 times whilst fiddling about on the net, I'm walking (well sitting) proof that I'm not so convinced.
Personally, as I privately related to Wicked, I think people are underestimating the power of their own imaginations, and the other potential causal connections that are going on within themselves to convince themselves that what they're experiencing is extra-ordinary.
I've come to think, from my personal experiences, and watching this same 'soul-mate' love routine get acted out so many times on line, that what's really happening is that people are tapping into very primal states within themselves--the pure loves of such things as our mother when we were breast feeding, the love we have for our children--the really really deep, personal, incredibly rich 'loves' of our lives. Each of us (barring sociopaths) has this deep well of potential feelings/yearnings/memories to tap into. Net love, I suspect, is unique in that we have someone we want to love, but no physical presence--so instead what we do is we dredge up within ourselves the most ideal types of love we have. Eventually we lay soaking in a golden stew of bliss, yearning, longing, pure love and heart-ache.
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Posted: 1/18/2007 12:14:45 AM | I only read the first and last pages of this thread:
I think Everyone has been reading way too much Kalill gibran! har har. Obviously, as the astute poster above me pointed out.... All of us know thre is some kind of magnificent and powerful connection that can be experienced between people. The human language is hopelessly inadaquate and as a result we are constantly groping and grasping for words and terms which will some how describe what is inside. Hence: words like "Soul"...crop up. then, over time.... the words get appropriated by various trends and fads etc...until, whatevr meaning they might have had initially...becomes lost in a big mush. As far as I am concerned...Soul is definately one of the worst of these kinds of words. Now that it has been appropriated by the romantic personals crowd...(soul mate)... there is no hope for it at all! ha ha! Kiss yer soul good by.
The "poet" in me yearns to rise up...above the usual. The trite. The mis-used. the over-used. The corny. The syrupy. The predictable. The ordinary. Gibran allready got the copywrite on "soul".... 150 years ago! And believe me.... after he got thru with it.... there is nothing left.
I have this notion...which becomes more and more apparant as i age and wisen. That just about any two people have the potential to become "soul-mates" if they've a like mind to. How bout that! | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 12:32:56 AM | | so...who said we have to be in touch with our own souls.....sounds like a silly question, but that is the basis to your whole discussion?.?.? | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 12:36:28 AM | I have to disagree with that pinebreeze.
I think it takes two individuals that truely
get each other in every way---can complete
each others sentences at times simply because
they are on the same track or shall we say
wave lenght. I have seen soul-mates and they
really do complete each other. I must say its not as
common as we would like, but its real! To simply have
"a mind to" doesn't make it happen. For to be with one
that knows you inside & out and can really get your inner
thoughts--now thats what its about---not settling and
hoping that you may have the potential, cause there's
more of us that don't click than those that do.
And no offense--just my way of thinking--from my
wisdom & age. Keep on Smiling--its a new year! | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 12:39:33 AM | | who?........remember, i'm just asking " who " said that we were supposed to be in touch with our souls. lets get quotes straight. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 12:43:55 AM | Getting the quote straight is simply stating that some of us
beleive in being in touch with our soul! For it can make lots
of emotions more powerful than some beleive. But i under-
stand we all have a different view. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 1:29:39 AM |
Much of what people are talking about here isn't differentiated from simple good 'ol love. Flow of energies? Why is everyone so quick to discount kitchen basic science? Sombient already explained the case of chemicals back a few pages, and did a far better job of it than I can.
Interesting how few people jumped up and down and said Exactly! That's exactly what I feel! How wonderful!
No, we'd rather believe this 'soul mate' love is beyond mere mortal flesh. That it isn't out of the kitchen, but up somewhere with the gods.
Even attributing fluxes of feelings and 'flow of energies' to the soul is somewhat dubious. How is the soul supposed to feel these things? React to them? Is there some centre in the brain or in the body where the soul-organism lives, some peculiar receptor site that can translate, feel, feed-back all of this practical matter?
I really enjoyed your previous post on souls, describing why you believe in them. As previously stated, I am not sure what I think about souls. I don't like the religious connotations of the word. I do rather feel that there is 'something' within us that is not entirely limited by the confines of our physical bodies.
As for names, well love is a wonderful thing, and I am quite happy to believe that everything I feel is 'just' part of love -- but it seems in appearance to go beyond normal understanding of love, to match up with what people call a 'soul connection', so using the term seems fairly natural. If 'soul connections' are simply a deep and harmonious love, that's just fine by me, I don't need to believe that it is spiritual. As Pinebreeze says, we look for words to describe the indescribable. If you have been in love, loved deeply and intensely, and then, you experience something like this -- how can you explain it other than that you found more levels and dimensions to love than you had ever imagined.
Is it only imagination? Perhaps. Perhaps everything is, as our minds filter out so much of the information we receive and we all perceive things in our own way. We humans cannot even trust our eyes as our brains constantly fill in gaps in our vision with what they expect must be there. Will we ever know what is true? Probably not, all we can do is be open to possibilities, rule nothing out and stay true to the best of our beliefs. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 6:46:10 AM | | I have just read a brilliant book called 'Soul Mates' by Rita Rogers.Rita is a well known medium here in Britain.It really is fascinating reading | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 7:14:36 AM | sometimes we have soul mates we dont even recognize until we look within and see tha trail of footprints left behind in our hearts, and know that our lives were forever changed by them......
i just pray that i am astute enough to realize tha next time i meet someone who will walk so gently thru my heart and yet leave such an enduring imprint in my life... | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 7:20:36 AM | that's funny mistyknoll..one of my fovorite books as the same name, but by author thomas moore.
i'll have to check the one you suggested out. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 7:28:00 AM | Again some very interesting perspectives are being presented to us yet again......
We have those that need evidence/scientific proof to be believers which I am not sure any one of those individuals will ever find, but I think the quest for this knowledge shall keep them on their search. I dont think there will ever be a perfect answer to whether or not soul connections truly do exist, I continue to say that it is just a belief that some have as to its existance and so it is what we shall term it within our own minds.
I can understand the thought that many will try to pass this off as being a fantasy created in our imaginations of being something beyond love especially when we add the whole illusion that can be found via the internet and so many are non believers because of this circumstance.
I consider myself to be a very level headed woman who has talked to so many people via the internet that I have simply lost count as to the numbers. I have met many I have connected on a mind level, some on a mind level or so I thought lol, and a couple on a heart/physical level, and because of all this interaction I can say that I am wise enough to know that one must never take things just as simple being but look deeper to see exactly what something is in its entirety.
What I am experiencing is simply beyond any other interaction I have ever had with any other human being in my life.........and yes I am a firm believer that it is a matching of internal energies which would be the basis of this connection in my opinion.
As 'crazytilting' states, to find another whom you can share these energies with in a free flowing back and forth state is a rarity indeed.
Rune I am in agreement with you, whatever anyone wants to term this is fine with me, I am simply glad that I have stumbled across it on my journey and enjoying every single moment of it!
To know it, live it, and experience has brought my life joy beyond belief.........so I am taking it and running with it like the wind.
I can only hope one day that others find it to..........and become believers!!!! | |
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| | Joined: 11/3/2006
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Posted: 1/18/2007 7:38:20 AM |
...but it seems in appearance to go beyond normal understanding of love, to match up with what people call a 'soul connection', so using the term seems fairly natural.
This is exactly where I was headed. Love has really taken a beating in the market of emotional currency. We’ve become desensitized. The word is grossly overused and undervalued. People seem to believe every intimate relationship with any positive feelings is love. People who have never met in person say it. People who have only known each other a few days say it. Sometimes it’s a lazy attempt at expressing feeling. Sometimes it's said in the hope the other person will feel it. Sometimes it’s said wishfully, as if the relationship will grow into it if the word is said aloud. I think that love is pretty rare. Other states usually pass for love: fondness, tenderness, affection, infatuation, comfort, security, intimacy, passion, lust... Most of the emotions that are commonly referred to as love, are really not. I'd venture to say that very few intimate relationships qualify as love.
So what do we do? We create new categories to explain what we are feeling because it doesn’t seem to fit into the language of the day: soul mates, star-crossed lovers, deep and harmonious love, etc., so that the listener understands that we’re not talking about common, run of mill love --which really isn’t love but something lesser. We don't want that feeling associated with Jerry Springer love, Hollywood love or infatuation.
THAT’S why we’re calling a duck a swan. It’s emotional inflation. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 9:43:37 AM | I think it takes two individuals that truely
get each other in every way---can complete
each others sentences at times simply because
they are on the same track or shall we say
wave lenght.
Lila an excellent definition of 'soulmates'
If I was to be looking for the elusive 'touching of souls' as defined by 'soulmates', I might let my personal preferences or desires get in the way of truely connecting with an individual
The question of touching of souls does not need to mean the above. I see touching of souls where you are open to being with an individual in the moment. This moment needs to be seen for what it is....just a moment or moments.
Connecting of souls could also mean connecting with a community of like minds. Just being in a group of people with one vision creates euphoria.
I've walked down the street and smiled with an individual and felt a connection of soul.
I've looked across a room and felt what another person was feeling based on the surroundings , thats connection of soul.
I've made love and felt the connection of soul... | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 10:03:05 AM | Hello Algy
I think part of the problem with this is I wouldn't want to name it, define it or even understand it to some extent. It seems that every time we do this sort a thing we limit what could be. I really wouldn't care if it was soul mates, twin flames or just being in love. Does it have any limits? who knows could it end? possibly... The thing is eveyone who finds something like this or even just finding peace in this world. thats a good thing. Those times when i'm looking in my special someones eyes and no words make sense but she understands completely what i'm feeling, what we are sharing...
Even if this didn't happen and we just enjoyed each other and were able to be with each other fully accepting each other without the need to change each other. the chemistry is there and the way we are matches each other so well. There are a lot of things already without any need for something deeper that would make a successful relationship. We didn't ask for this, search for this, or even think it was possible because we weren't thinking in that way. We were simply pen pals, putting up boundaries to make sure we wouldn't end up in the messy relationship arena.
Now we are enjoying limitless Love and joy, going through everything everyone else seems to go through we laugh, we cry, we hurt, we get scared. Life is relationship in action, and my life has changed irreversibly. And look forwards to a life time To Love her. I think we get to hooked up on what is instead of the person in front of us or that we are relating to. If we are mindful of our thoughts, feelings and actions. And we are completely present with the person we love. (to the best of our ability) Only good can come of it.
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Posted: 1/18/2007 10:23:46 AM | i think most of us seek divinty, whether consciously or unconsciously, to me, that is what these super connections are about, getting in touch with divinity...and although it no doubt feels even more amazing with a lover, i have had these same expereiences with chance encounters as well...strangers you have a brief but profound conversation with.
i have often wondered if these people were angels in my life giving to me the next lesson i need to learn. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 11:17:06 AM | Thank you lipstick sunsets, for i feel that our soul mate is actually the same Love connection
others desire to call it. Same thing, different name--I am very spiritial so when i say soul
mates its simply that i do feel we have a mate that fulfills us in every way. That under-
stands our moods and allows us to be who we are without guilt or glory. To just be... with
a connection thats 100% complete. Holding the treasure of forever love is as good as it
gets. Always smiling at heart--of course everyone has some issues but the true soul
mates always rise above other loves. These are the lovely old souls that pass on shortly
after losing their mate, which verifies its real! (To me anyway)! And for those that don't
beleive...i know i sound like a hopeless romantic, but with a close knitted family i have had
the privalege of seeing soul mates soar....may each of you discover the ultimate love... | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 11:45:47 AM | I fear most people interpret soulmates as two egos in love. I say "ego" meaning your created self concept, your name as a bucket into which you put all your knowledge, material goods, and experiences.
I think the soul is that which is left when you take away what is false which is John, Mary, or whatever your name is. It is ineffable and nonphysical and has no wants, needs, or desires, and therefore is unconditional in its love. These souls all connect with each other as there is nothing attractive nor repulsive involved.
See books such as "The Power of Now" or "Translucent Revolution" if want to know more about people living this reality today. | |
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Algy
| | Joined: 11/3/2006
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Posted: 1/18/2007 11:52:00 AM |
I think part of the problem with this is I wouldn't want to name it, define it or even understand it to some extent. It seems that every time we do this sort a thing we limit what could be. I really wouldn't care if it was soul mates, twin flames or just being in love.
But it has been named. It’s being called a ‘soul connection’. And people have at least partially defined it by describing how wonderful it makes them feel. I agree the name shouldn’t matter much. “Love” is a fine name, let’s leave it that way and not demean it by making it something less. The label ‘soul connection’ appears to matter to some people however, or else why call it something different than it has been traditionally called? It’s like gilding a lily. You’re covering a wonderful thing, a rare and beautiful gift, with artifice. By implication, you’re saying it’s not good enough and needs to be improved upon. If your “loving” relationships have not been good enough for you than perhaps you were not in love.
Would anyone mind bronzing this soap box? I'd like to call it a pedestal. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 12:16:35 PM | Lately this kind of thing has been very hard and very risky for me because I've been hurt and lied to so much in the past. However, I dont know how it happened but I was just siezed by my date's sincerity and goodness right from the beginning. We have such a tremendous amount in common that we can both relate to, and we've only known each other for 3 weeks! I think its gonna be hard to pick me up off the floor from this one.
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Posted: 1/18/2007 2:58:51 PM | I have to say that although I feel I have experienced a deep connection with someone once in my life that could have been considered a soul connection. A vibe that I never felt with anyone before or since. I am very skeptical that you can achieve a soul connection from a few months online without meeting.
What I think you are experiencing is enjoying getting to know someone who seems to have a personality that is a "good fit" with you. I bet if you both did one of those jungian personality tests that you would find you are compatible types. The fact is that you aren't experiencing real life tests together. Only the good part of life. You know that part where you laugh and enjoy spending recreational time together. You can't know that you are "soulmates" until you have experienced the bad stuff together. The stuff that shows you will accept each other despite all the crap that life sends you. The times when you screw up and your partner overlooks it because he loves you. Then there are the small things. You know the irritating things. The way he chews his gum...the way he drinks the milk directly from the jug, stuff like that. You won't know how these tests, big and small will affect your "soul connection" until you meet and live life together. Thats when you can say you have really connected with a soul.
"It's the day in and day out chronicle of irritations, problems, compromises, small disappointments, big victories and working toward common goals. If you have love in your life, it can make up for a great many things you lack. If you don't have it, no matter what else there is, it's not enough"
You won't know that......until you meet and spend long periods of time together. I would say to be wary of looking for a mate who is ideal and who feels and thinks exactly the way you do. No one can live up to that kind of standard. 'Soul mates' (if I can use that term) don't agree on everything but they will also not require you to change. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 3:15:46 PM |
I think the soul is that which is left when you take away what is false which is John, Mary, or whatever your name is. It is ineffable and nonphysical and has no wants, needs, or desires, and therefore is unconditional in its love. These souls all connect with each other as there is nothing attractive nor repulsive involved
Excellent post Justyouandme!
I have also read the book 'Power of Now' by Eckhart Tolle. Great book. I also like the reference made to Thomas Moore a few threads back on 'Soul' Mates. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 3:48:53 PM | I would say to be wary of looking for a mate who is ideal and who feels and thinks exactly the way you. No one can live up to that kind of standard. "Soul mates" (if I can use that term) don't agree on everything but they will also not require you to change.
I can relate to your words, Squirrly. They are certainly true of me and my own "soul mate". We are not "exactly the same", nor would we wish each other to be. Our differences are an important aspect of our relationship. We value what we learn from each other.
Last weekend, my partner best described what defines our soul connection. He said, with deep emotion: "Now that I have found you, I can't imagine being without you." It is the same for me. It is inconceivable that we break our connection.
Beginning two years ago, I began sending this prayer up to the heavens: Please send me a strong, kind, and giving man, someone I can count on.
On the day we first met face to face, these words went through my head as I turned to greet him: "It's him." I immediately pushed it aside, and didn't pull it back out until recently. I have never before had those words flash through my head upon meeting a man. I recognize it as an angel message, whispered in my ear. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:12:45 PM | | I think we all have many chances in life to find a soul mate. What is important is to remember that both people have to believe in a soul mate. It's nice to have the dreamy visions of things we can find in the movies but people have to realize finding your soul mate is hard then getting a roll on a movie in Hollywood. Also it is a connection within our selves between two minds. Also it is good to never loose hope in finding things we can't put a finger on or we can't even label. Life's too weird to fully understand and the soul is quite the same. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2007 1:08:01 PM | msg#7: BINGO!!!! you nailed it woman!
a little ci.....a little care...a lotta love and you've got the perfect combo....and boy what ya baken smells great.
bless.
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