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Posted: 1/18/2007 2:32:54 PM | | before they entered the big brother house..jade goodie and her mother said they did not care about other peoples celebrity status and that they were not gonna take any shite from anyone..so in a fashion.they went into the house to cause trouble.to make good television viewing..all to make themselves more money when they get out...and it was poor shilpa that ended up being the target of there plot..if shilpa wasnt there..goodie would of picked on somone else..simple as that....but now..it seems as though her little publicity stunt has backfired..she is in for a shock when she gets out...i cant see her getting out of this one by pretending to be thick and nieve..its over for her now..... | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 2:37:16 PM | its got everybody talking about it and dont think its really been racist at all.
what a boring show if they all got on well with each other. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 3:45:32 PM | I am VERY MUCH SURPRISED at all the attention this "Racist" incident has so far generated just because we happened to have been opportuned to witness just one incident that was beamed into out homes by BB and Channel 4. The reality is that this sort of incident plays itself out daily in many different places and common people (Not just celebreties), unfortunately BB Production crew is not at hand to broadcast it. Then you have some of the public complaining against racism whilst they have at one ignorant blissful time played the part of one of the 3 BB protagonists but as there is not Media record of their actions, it is ok to make a bigoted complaint.
I am very dismayed that BB Producers and Channel 4 have been made out to be the evil ones, whilst in reality BB is a social experiment that MIRRORS Reality, so what is their crime, showing "us" who we really are? 
Hopefully someday, we would all see beyond "colour" in our hearts and mind, and just see peolple and rejoice in the ethnic diversity, it is about time, this is year 2007  | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 3:53:30 PM | I don't think the attacks have been racially motivated at all. I think Jade and Shilpa are just two people who don't get on and wouldn't under any circumstances. I think Jade has been out of order with the way she has spoken to Shilpa, but I think the worst part of it is that Danielle and Jo have sat and sed all the way through, backed Jade up to her face and then change their stories when questioned about it.
I think Jade is in for a shock when she leaves the house. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:00:31 PM | It has all gone a bit too far now, yes I do not agree with the bullying but I do not agree with what they say about racism. I truly believe if it were a normal selection of big brother candidates and the person in question was not an actress the not even half of the people would be complaining. Just because she is a bollywood actress so what,?
She is playing the victim and trying to gain support from the public and other house mates as she does not stop going on about it. I take no sides, as I disagree with a few of the candidates in the way they have treated her yes I do believe that she is being bullied but not racial. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:01:03 PM |
Hopefully someday, we would all see beyond "colour" in our hearts and mind, and just see peolple and rejoice in the ethnic diversity, it is about time, this is year 2007
hopefully,but not likely.as long as there are humans there will always be prejudice.which is sad,but it will never change. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:01:14 PM | Yes and another addition,.........................
why has this incident been labelled as BULLYING? For example, you introduced your friend JAMES to your other friend Shridhar from India, and James responds to Shridhar, "can I call you SAM as Shridhar is a bit of a mouthful" and Shridhar just says "ok" in other to just get along.
Would this be bullying on James's part or plain ignorance and lack of respect for Shridhar? Please let us call a spade a spade, this is not bullying, it is RACISM which had been induced by stark ingnorance and a lack of self awareness...........  | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:12:43 PM | In Response to Tesh 88 's post "hopefully,but not likely.as long as there are humans there will always be prejudice.which is sad,but it will never change"
I don't think change is beyond us humans as we are higher animals which makes us perfectly capable of overiding our instincts (lesser animals need to be conditioned to do this), so all hope is not lost my friend. Reality broadcasts like Big Brother could actually be catalysts for change as they show us who "we" really are, as was mentioned eralier, let us see how the protagonists (OIKS) see themselves once the show is over and they rejoin the rest of the public. The good thing is that the whole incident is on record and records seldom lie.......  | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:25:35 PM | MSG 83 As long as there is more than one race, there will be racism - fact.
MSG 82 "For example, you introduced your friend JAMES to your other friend Shridhar from India, and James responds to Shridhar, "can I call you SAM as Shridhar is a bit of a mouthful" and Shridhar just says "ok" in other to just get along.
Would this be bullying on James's part or plain ignorance and lack of respect for Shridhar? Please let us call a spade a spade, this is not bullying, it is RACISM which had been induced by stark ingnorance and a lack of self awareness........... "
So, what about those of other races who come to GB and adopt an English name? Is that being "racist"? No, of course it isn't.
Look, we shorten our friends names so that they are easier to use...so there is nothing wrong in changing Shridhar to Sam.
I suppose the residents of Barnoldswick are wrong for pronouncing their town's name as "Barlick"? | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:32:16 PM |
I don't think change is beyond us humans as we are higher animals which makes us perfectly capable of overiding our instincts (lesser animals need to be conditioned to do this), so all hope is not lost my friend. Reality broadcasts like Big Brother could actually be catalysts for change as they show us who "we" really are, as was mentioned eralier, let us see how the protagonists (OIKS) see themselves once the show is over and they rejoin the rest of the public. The good thing is that the whole incident is on record and records seldom lie.......
we are capable of overiding our instincts,but many thousands of years have passed and humans still kill,hurt,and behave in a overall bad way to eachother,spears have been replaced by guns.before colinialisation i would of believed that there was hope,but its forever scarred people of different colour. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:46:50 PM | MSG 86 It can be equally argued that Jade was acknowledging Shipla's heritage by mentioning the Poppadom surname.
After all, we English are referred to as "English" all around the world, as in "Hey, English, you want to hire a bike?".
I think that knowing SOMETHING of someone's culture is better than knowing none at all.
"a direct dig at her race."
Only to those who take every reference to someone's culture as a "dig".
You are, however, perfectly correct in informing your boys that it is not acceptable...they will make their own minds up when they reach maturity. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:46:53 PM | When I was at junior school. my best friend's name was Vibhavarvrie (sorry, not sure of the spelling, it was a long time ago), for 30 years I and everyone else have called her Vib. Later close friends have been known as Sarz, Sken, Doe, Flooze, Boxy, Vic and Lo.
Some of thise friends weren't white. Can you tell which ones?
Not being able to spell or pronounce unfamiliar names is sometimes just about unfamiliarity.
(as an example, do you know how to say Towcester or Cogenhoe?).
Sometimes we shorten names as a gesture of affection.
Sometimes it's because we are lazy.
I personally don't think the behaviour (that I have seen) in celeb BB has been racist but, to be fair, I wasn't on the recieving end of it.
In my opinion, Jade has behaved the way she has, partly because she is insecure and conscious of her own failings and partly because she has felt patronised by Shilpa. I do not condone her behaviour but I do understand it. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:48:31 PM | In response to MSG 84
regarding changing of names, at least if the owner of the name changes or adopts a different name by themselves, then it is only fair and respectful to call the them what they want to be called by an NOT what some ingnorant person suggests as an easier alternative, to whose convenience is it?
Like Shilpa Shetty, transitioning to Shipa Popadom? It would have been most appropriate if Shilap had suggested being called Shilpa Popadom. Oh well, ignorance is bliss...........  | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:58:48 PM | MSG 89 In your example, James ASKED if he could shorten the name, and the woman said he could...so no problem arose. The woman was quite happy to accept the shortened version.
As for the Shipla name, Jade wasn't involving Shilpa in the name change..the conversation took place between her and a third party. There was not one recorded/transmitted instance of Jade calling Shilpa "Shilpa Poppadum" to her face.
We all have nicknames for people that we never use to their face...why should Jade not be allowed to do the same?
" Oh well, ignorance is bliss........... "
Quite so......Jade was not expected to remember Shilpa's surname.
MSG 90 I am all for parents educating their children according to the parents' own beliefs and experience. Indeed, it is arguably the best way of educating children, no matter what race or nationality, and if a few more parents made that effort, the world would be a lot better to live in.
MSG 92 Only if you are discussing parents who allow the tv and PS2 to bring up their kids. Those parents who make the effort to inform and educate their kids are doing a good job - even if they are passing on their own prejudices (Hey, my mom was taught that Mary 1 was a good queen by her Catholic relatives), but the kids can make their own minds up later. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 5:21:54 PM |
The only way I try and educate my children on how to get along in the real world is to inform them that no matter how much they would like to paint the world to satisfy their own personal dream, that dream is going to become pretty boring to look at within such a short time if you don't use any colour other than white.[/qoute]
A poignant and beautiful statement.........well done, do you have as much faith in your children as you have in them or they have in you
Even I don't know what I mean by that particular question......just assume I am in Attack mode and ignore me | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 5:25:07 PM | MSG 93 Actually, the quote is nonsense and irrelevant - my son will be taught that the best club in soccer has yellow and blue as its colours.
Or was it made in relation to race?
And haven't we lost the thread a little, here?
MSG 95 Issy, I beg your forgiveness....I don't know what possessed me.
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Posted: 1/18/2007 5:37:01 PM | Msg 94......I wil beat the bollocks out of you soon as I get the chance.......don't be giving me any cheek mister!!!!
My opinions are so sincere and genuine and I have to say I have never done you the discourtesy of claiming that your own were any less so...........I demand a little bit of respect here and now otherwise you are a dead man.........apologies accepted, once they are proffered, 'cos I am a forgivin' kinda individual; when I eventually get to meet you Vin Fourstar.......you are a dead man for being so cheeky towards me
Edit Vin.......that's alright then, will let you away with it, like I usually do, you are just too goddamn attractlive | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 6:59:48 PM | | it's more of a class thing, shilpa has it, and the thickos don't. they are definitly bullying her it's three on to one, and daniel is the worst two faced s**t stairer, also cleo knows wot's going on but seems scared of jade, and as for the so called men, where's the A-TEAM when you need them. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 11:55:29 PM | | it has just come to light that shilpa shetty is some sort of karate champion..so she aint as soft as she looks..so poor old fatty jade and her idiot mother would of come a cropper if things would of got out of hand...such a pity..because it seems a good clout is the only way to bring some people to there senses nowdays...... | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 12:15:22 AM | | I just read that too, Shilpa is a black belt karate champion. I think Jade and co have realised how the outside world may have perceived them and now it's suck up time | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 12:22:32 AM | Vin, Jade was NOT acknowledging Shilpas heritage at all. If you had seen the programme, her making fun of Shilpa was done in a most derogatory way, Poppadom was just one of the many names that she listed when being vile about her.
It was said by Danielle that Shilpa should just "F*ck off home" and that she "Can't speak English anyway", Shilpa has beautiful spoken English, far better than the not very nice "ladies" that seem to have such horrendous attitudes towards her.
I do not actually think that Jade is being racist deliberately, she is attempting to be funny, but doesn't seem to know how unless resorting to putting someone else down.
Those three girls are bullies, end of story. Danielle has lost a modelling contract through her behaviour and Jade has been dropped from an Anti-Bulling campaign that she was the face of.
I do feel that this is the beginning of the end for Jade. She made herself famous by making a fool of herself and to be honest, her stupidity was embraced and possibly manipulated in some ways. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 1:33:35 AM | MSG 99 "Jade was NOT acknowledging Shilpas heritage at all."
Whilst none of us can state for certain what Jade was thinking about, she did use a word that the rest of the world associates with India.
If she had referred to her as "Shilpa Thingamabob" or "Shilpa Whatshername", then that would have acknowledged that Jade clearly hadn't remembered Shilpa's surname, and used one that we all use from time to time. Come on, we all refer to posh people as "Peter La-Di-Da" or "Lady Muck", even when we know their real name.
There was nothing racial in using a word that is Indian, and by doing so, Jade acknowledged the fact that Shilpa is indeed Indian.
It is important that we don't get like the PC crowd, which insists that ANY reference to a person's race or culture is "racist".
"It was said by Danielle that Shilpa should just "F*ck off home"
I see nothing wrong with the use of that term. We all use it from time to time when people are annoying us. It is irrelevant where that "home" is.
Again, just because Shilpa's home is in a foreign country does not make the comment "racist". Danielle merely acknowledged the fact that Shilpa has a home to go to - she didn't even state that she should "go back home to India", which isn't racist either.
It is important that the PC crowd don't read "racism" into every statement uttered about the fact that other races have homes in other countries.
True, Danielle later apologised for her comment, but let's not forget the pressure that is placed on people when discussing "race" - BB repeated her comment to her, and it was immediately obvious to someone as dim as her that the comment had been seen as being "racist" (otherwise, why would BB bothered to have mentioned it?).
The PC crowd has infected some with the notion that any mention of anyone's age, height, weight, intelligence, sexual preference etc somehow warrants an "ism"....it's time we reclaimed our language.
I also accept that these three girls may hate Indians with a passion.....but none of them have said anything yet which proves that.
I agree with the "class" argument.......these women are way out of their depth with regard to Shilpa, and it's plain that they resent it. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 1:42:18 AM |
Whilst not of us can state for certain what Jade was thinking about, she did use a word that the rest of the world associates with India.
If she had referred to her as "Shilpa Thingamabob" or "Shilpa Whatshername", then that would have acknowledged that Jade clearly hadn't remembered Shilpa's surname, and used one that we all use from time to time. Come on, we all refer to posh people as "Peter La-Di-Da" or "Lady Muck", even when we know their real name.
There was nothing racial in using a word that is Indian, and by doing so, Jade acknowledged the fact that Shilpa is indeed Indian.
It is important that we don't get like the PC crowd, which insists that ANY reference to a person's race or culture is "racist".
"It was said by Danielle that Shilpa should just "F*ck off home"
I see nothing wrong with the use of that term. We all use it from time to time when people are annoying us. It is irrelevant where that "home" is.
Again, just because Shilpa's home is in a foreign country does not make the comment "racist". Danielle merely acknowledged the fact that Shilpa has a home to go to - she didn't even state that she should "go back home to India", which isn't racist either.
It is important that the PC crowd don't read "racism" into every statement uttered about the fact that other races have homes in other countries.
True, Danielle later apologised for her comment, but let's not forget the pressure that is placed on people when discussing "race" - BB repeated her comment to her, and it was immediately obvious to some as dim as her that the comment had been seen as being "racist" (otherwise, why would BB bothered to have mentioned it?).
The PC crowd has infected some with the notion that any mention of anyone's age, height, weight, intelligence, sexual preference etc somehow warrants an "ism"....it's time we reclaimed our language back.
I also accept that these three girls may hate Indians with a passion.....but none of them have said anything yet which proves that.
^^^^^^ very well written
At last, Vin has written (and very eloqently I must say) what I wanted to say.
I'd love to see what the PC brigade made of this thread! hehehehhehehe | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 1:43:12 AM | Simple case of three stupid women ganging up to pick on someone they see as prettier and more classy than them. In fact so stupid they didn't stop to think how their "private" chats would be percieved by the viewing public.
It is all about two things:
1 Class
2 Stupidity
Oh and remember who's interest is it most in to whip all this up and keep it going? The media of course who generate money from it | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 5:07:47 AM | Hmmmm…………………sorry but eh……….a “racist”, is someone that has prejudicial opinions/feelings against people or a person of a different race. Well, at least it always has been unless something has changed.
We all saw that clip; yes even down under it was featured on the news as the latest scandal to hit the UK. What I couldn’t get was, how was it racist. I mean you need two different races to start with all I saw was Caucasians. So how did it get to be racist? It may qualify as ethnic discrimination but certainly not racial discrimination.
Again, unless something has changed the country that has the largest population of Caucasians of all the countries in the world is “India”. Yes afraid so, check if you like? There’s no racial difference between an Indian and an Englishman unless the Indian is a Tamil in which case he/she would racially be defined as an Australoid. You can easily distinguish them by the deep crease where the nose joins the forehead.
Just a thought. | |
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