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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/19/2007 3:27:35 PM | Nip has it rightly, when most populous nations numbers 1 and 2 flex their technological muscles, they will have their shot at dominating this century, just as the US and the olde Soviet block did in the Twentieth Century.
Good thing the entire fvcking world has caught onto English as the 'happenin' language for publishing research.
English: it's not just for theoretical physics jargon.
Mao would not recognize the modern version of China any more than Stalin would recognize the new Russia.  | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/19/2007 4:10:48 PM | Mao actually would be very proud of what China has become and where its going.
First we have to understand what imperialism and colonialism means and how it operates, then understand the unique cultural heritage of old mercantile civilizations.
At the turn of the century, China was a society that was divided by peasantry and aristocracy. Opium addiction rampant and all policy decisions were made in the European capitals and later Washington.
All that imperialism needed was a few corruptible people in power that would sell their souls for a little cash and some luxury. That's what was happening in China. Mao just wanted to implement the discipline needed for China to rise up and take it's rightful place among the world powers and communism also offered him the power to keep the colonial powers out of china. China was isolated for many years. Now they have emerged.
China will eventually become what Chinese culture is all about and old civilizations are not after domination. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/19/2007 5:26:04 PM |
Mao would not recognize the modern version of China any more than Stalin would recognize the new Russia
Chairman Mao would recognize the modern need for China to be in the position it is. Isolationism was the answer in the middle of the 20th century but not in the information age the 21st century has dawned on us...
I think he would be proud of the developments and only cautioning the party commissars on slow and strategic steps towards the same direction.
Good thing the entire fvcking world has caught onto English as the 'happenin' language for publishing research.
True, but most funded positions would require flawless knowledge of mandarin chinese I bet...
Overall it's a great development towards a more stable world order. No fanatic/zealot in any government would have a free reign when the chinese zapping gun is in full swing...(heheheee) | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/19/2007 7:05:41 PM | it was a very smart move on the chinese....when you are capable to destroy all military and communications satelites you then control information.
its a big deal for the chinese but really, this is one chapter...eventually all countrys or their friends will have capabilities like this and then some.
good for the chinese....these guys are way too cunning...props due. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/19/2007 7:38:14 PM | I don't think M-TV or most communication satellites are in danger. Commercial satellites sit tight at a geosynchronous orbit so that they are a fix point relative to earth and you can aim a dish right at them without having to task or follow it.
Spy, weather etc satellites and LEOs sit at much lower height. Usually under a 1000 Kilometers. The bird they shot at was one of low flying ones.
Geosynchronous (adj.): geo-, earth and synchronous, going on at the same rate and exactly together.
A satellite in geosynchronous orbit circles the earth once each day. The time it takes for a satellite to orbit the earth is called its period. For a satellite's orbit period to be one sidereal day, it must be approximately 35,786 kilometers (19,323 nautical miles or 22,241 statute miles) above the earth's surface. That is a lot higher than the Shuttle ever goes (usually about 300 kilometers). We calculate this height using, what are today, common geometric formulas.
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 4:33:15 AM | | Just remember that it was Bush that started all this non-sense when he wanted a missile defence shield. There is no way the US will be allowed a weapons system that they could use to threaten the world. Thank God China has stepped up to the plate and sent a message to the US. Stop making trouble. We want to live ina peaceful world, like the one we had before Bush was appointed.(votes in 2000 were never counted). | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 5:37:10 AM | | i wouldn't worry too much about china at this stage..... in the medium term they have no real interest in going to war against the usa..... it would be a disaster for both sides | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 5:46:21 AM | when the soviet union collapsed, a lot of people were happy and the expression " peace dividends" came to light.
few years later, we have the right to ask where those dividends went?
then bush came and he came to the rescue of the military industrial complex ( MIC). peace is extremely dangerous for the MIC. they don't make money peddling peace. and bush listened.
and then someone realized that hey, the us is the only super power left so we can invade any country, bully any country into submission we want and bush invaded iraq to get the oil for free...
then china came.........and india...........and.....and the bully............ | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 3:12:41 PM | "They have the worlds largest air force which would ensure no enemy aircraft would enter their airspace and can protect their coast."
someone has obviously confused the concepts of 'largest' and 'best'
"They also have a strong navy which means the water off their coast would be secure."
they have a strong navy compared to Thailand, but it doesn't have the power to stand up to any of the actual powerful navies in the world....let alone the superpower of the US navy
"China has the upper hand but it wont take long for others to build the same technology. Last year Bush claimed that the US would ensure only friendly nations would have access to space. Now the Chinese are the ones holding the technology to decide who is or isnt in space."
sorry bucko, technology decades old is somewhat far from an 'upper hand'. as far as access to space....the ability to shoot down a satellite or two does nothing to actually help you gain access to space. not to mention the tremendously more capable tracking ability of the US. the ability to shoot down a satellite is worthless until you can find them.
"If China is militarily and economically stronger than the US why does america believe they are the only superpower?"
your question makes no more sense than asking, if sweden has a colony on the other side of the galaxy, why does japan believe that it is the only country to have ever been nuked? or any other 'if (insert obviously false statement), then why does someone believe (obviously true statement)' question
"This is such a simple weapon and its interesting that its taken so long for someone to come up with it."
which shows the basis of the lack of any sense to your whole post. you haven't been paying any attention to the world around you for several decades | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 3:18:29 PM | WHAT? How do you shoot down an orbiting body?
Wouldn't it just turn into a huge amount of orbiting space debris, every last little paint fleck, of which has to be tracked? | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 3:31:41 PM | they have a strong navy compared to Thailand, but it doesn't have the power to stand up to any of the actual powerful navies in the world....let alone the superpower of the US navy
vietnam too did not have
the power to stand up to any of the actual powerful navies in the world....let alone the superpower of the US navy | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 3:37:01 PM | That's the problem. With this type of weapon, if it were ever widely used, we'd effectively turn our planet into one with a junkyard of lethal orbiting debris. It's bad enough already. This type of an attack would potentially destroy a lot of other non-targeted satellites.
I'm not sure about the laser weapons however, and if they would cause the same destruction. What's even worse about those is that one might not even see it coming. Traveling at the speed of light, and having to go 600 miles, takes far less than the blink of an eye.
With the relative delicacy of the components, it would not take much to inflict a deathblow . What's even more ironic, is that the USA has by far the most to lose. With it's great dependence on high tech and satellites (and not much back up) , a massed strike against US space based military and communication targets would pretty much turn the USA military into the Who's "Tommy".
Deaf, dumb, and blind....and no way to play that mean game of pinball anymore.
Many of those smart bombs, which need GPS information to function, are going to suddenly become "Homer Simpson.
That's why this single handed militarized space warfare concept that Bush was so pumped up about is so idiotic. By forcing others to embark on it, or risk losing protection, you sacrifice your advantage over your enemy.
Once that's gone, they (since they are not as dependant on such hi tech) have the advantage. If you are used to fighting with hi tech devices, and suddenly lose them, you have to start from zero with less experience than your enemy has.
In a time of war, you don't have time for that. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 3:44:35 PM | | "vietnam too did not have" which is why vietnam had no ability to use the ocean for any military purpose. that would make it rather hard to invade and conquer taiwan would it not? | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 4:28:47 PM | you missed the point. vietnam defeated the us. so does it matter if the us could control all the oceans on earth? it could not control vietnam.
and by extension, same with china. a lot of people are stick stuck with a 50's calendar... | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 5:28:39 PM | China was sending a message: In the future, the US is going to pay a price for it's use of outer space as a platform for it's military and economic apparatuses. We don't have a monopoly on space anymore. We're going to have to play ball with them on some level.
The GPS's are used for surveillance, artillery and rocket guidance, land, sea and air navigation, weather forcasting, communication and many other things and China is one of many nations who feel pushed around by the US for having done this for so many years.
Look for China to champion the opposition to "The New World Order" proclaimed by Bush I at the end of the cold war. The rest of the world is sick of being threatened and invaded.
If Bush II hadn't pushed them too far, they never would have been motivated to spend the amount of time and effort it took to get this far. They don't have money to spend like we do. In their economy, this must have cost hundreds of times the money and effort it would cost us. and they've got even more pressing needs... water, dams to stop a terrible flooding problem, many other things; but as long as we keep threatening, they feel cornered and don't dare to stop. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 5:51:02 PM | How can we forget about it when it hasn't been fully tested and put into production yet?
http://en.bitacle.org/v/0zoswh-tws0/aircraft-mounted-laser-weapon-may-be-ready-in-two-years.html
(circa 2005 news blurb).
The only aircraft mounted lasers that I know of in use are for radar and FLIR, the later used for detecting faults for geotech mapping for earthquake risk.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061108-022913-3278r
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_electronics_of_the_United_States | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 6:03:12 PM | Check out the Boeing YAL-1. That's just the ones that are not part of the Black Ops programs, which God only knows what THOSE guys have produced.
The Boeing YAL-1A Airborne Laser (ABL) weapons system, designated , is a megawatt class chemical oxygen iodine laser (COIL) primarily designed to shoot down Tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs) similar to the Scud while in boost phase. The laser system is fitted to a heavily modified Boeing 747-400F freighter and is still in the test period. The laser has been test fired on the ground but not yet in flight. However a much less powerful early flying prototype successfully shot down several missiles in the 1980s. It was called the Airborne Laser Laboratory, and was a technological pathfinder for the ABL.
n theory the ABL could be used against hostile fighter aircraft, cruise missiles, or even low earth orbit satellites (see Anti-satellite weapon). However those are not its intended target and the capability against those is unknown. The ABL infrared target acquisition system is designed to detect the bright, hot exhaust of TBMs in boost phase. Satellites and other aircraft would have a much lower heat signature and possibly be harder to detect. This analysis by the Union of Concerned Scientists discusses potential ABL use against low earth orbit satellites: ASAT Capability of US Missile Defense Systems.
Effective use against ground targets seems very unlikely. Aside from the difficulty of acquiring and tracking a ground target, firing downward through the dense atmosphere would significantly weaken the beam. Also, most ground targets are not fragile enough to damage with a megawatt-class laser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Laser
It's politically sensitive, but it's going to happen. Some people don't want to hear this, and it sure isn't in vogue, but — absolutely — we’re going to fight in space. We're going to fight from space and we're going to fight into space. That’s why the US has development programs in directed energy and hit-to-kill mechanisms. We will engage terrestrial targets someday — ships, airplanes, land targets — from space."
- Commander-in-Chief of US Space Command, Joseph W. Ashy
However, research in the US and Russia was proving that the requirements, at least for orbital based energy weapon systems, were, with available technology, close to impossible. Nonetheless, the strategic implications of a possible unforeseen breakthrough in technology forced the USSR to initiate massive spending on research in the 12th Five Year Plan, drawing all the various parts of the project together under the control of GUKOS and matching the US proposed deployment date of 2000.
Both countries began to reduce expenditure from 1989 and the Russian Federation unilaterally discontinued all SDI research in 1992. Research and Development (both of ASAT systems and other space based/deployed weapons) has, however reported to have be been resumed under the Vladimir Putin government as a counter to renewed US Strategic Defense efforts post Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. However the status of these efforts, or indeed how they are being funded through National Reconnaissance Office projects of record, remains unclear. The U.S. has begun working on a number of programs which could be foundational for a space-based ASAT. These programs include the Experimental Spacecraft System (XSS 11), the Near-Field Infrared Experiment (NFIRE), and the space-based interceptor (SBI).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon
The XSS is quite amazing.
nside The Pentagon December 4, 2003
One year from now, when the Air Force Research Laboratory launches its Experimental Small Satellite No. 11, some eyes will gaze at the heavens in wonder at a feat of robotic technology that may lower the cost of maintaining and repairing satellites on orbit. It is just as certain that others will scrutinize this new arrival in space, suspicious that the so-called XSS-11 has a clandestine, dual capability -- as a ready-on-demand, orbiting anti-satellite weapon.
Air Force leaders describe XSS-11 as a small, maneuverable satellite -- a featherweight in the 100-kilogram class of space vehicles -- with a one-year mission to demonstrate "rendezvous and proximity operations" with other satellites. That's military jargon for meeting up with other space vehicles on orbit, and maneuvering close by to inspect or perform other tasks.
But the same capacity built into XSS-11 that enables it to maneuver around another satellite it is servicing can also allow the spacecraft to disable or destroy adversary satellites, if desired, some experts say.
"XSS-10 and -11 [were] both designed for the same mission," one defense official said this week, speaking on condition of not being named. "XSS-11 can be used as an ASAT weapon."
"Such a satellite could house a small kinetic-kill vehicle designed to smash into a nearby enemy satellite," Theresa Hitchens and Jeffrey Lewis of the Center for Defense Information in Washington wrote in a September opinion piece published in Space News.
In the Air Force's 1999 Microsatellite Technology and Requirements Study, the service raised the possibility of borrowing technology from the Army's Kinetic Energy Anti-Satellite, or KE-ASAT, program for its own microsatellites, according to Hitchens and Lewis.
The study's "single strongest recommendation" was "the deployment, as rapidly as possible, of XSS-10-based satellites to intercept, image and, if needed, take action against a target satellite," the two analysts quoted from a 2000 unclassified summary.
Operators on the ground could use XSS-11 to transmit detailed images of a foreign spy satellite back to a U.S. command center, for example. If the spy satellite were deemed a threat to U.S. forces or assets -- particularly during a period of hostilities -- the new microsatellite would have the capability to eliminate it, experts in and outside the government say.
"If you don't like what you see, you can ram into it," says John Pike, a longtime space policy critic and director of GlobalSecurity.org, a clearinghouse for military information based in Virginia. In building XSS-11 to be relatively cheap and easy to launch, it also may be expendable and replaceable in an anti-satellite role, he says.
Looking back at the XSS-10 experiment, the defense official said the XSS-series spacecraft's potential for destroying other satellites was demonstrated.
"It is harder to rendezvous with an object in space than hit it," the defense official said. "XSS-10 went around the object a few times."
The experimental craft "doesn't need any modifications to kill a satellite," this source added. "It's capable of doing all the missions that KE-ASAT is intended to do -- and then some. That's been proven in the flight test."
Interviewed by telephone Nov. 17, Leaf declined to comment on anti-satellite capabilities, saying any such discussion about the XSS program would "all be speculation."
But he did say rendezvous and proximity operations are absolutely essential for XSS-11's experimental satellite maintenance tasks, regardless of what others may make of the capability.
"You can't closely inspect a vehicle -- say, one with an on-orbit malfunction -- without getting 'close' and approaching from the right angle," Leaf tells ITP. "To refuel, obviously you'd have to get more than close, and 'dock' with the vehicle. While we can do that with the [Space] Shuttle currently, an ability to perform such operations autonomously and with a much smaller vehicle offers great advantages in cost and availability."
Air Force officials do acknowledge selected offensive and defensive space capabilities the United States is developing for use against future enemies. But they will discuss offensive space capabilities only in broad terms, emphasizing those systems with "temporary and reversible" effects. Service officials stop short of disavowing satellite destruction in space warfare.
Leaf cited two "offensive counter-space" programs the Air Force first acknowledged earlier this year, both of which are ground-based.
A Counter-Communications System, to be fielded in fiscal year 2005, is aimed at temporarily blocking an adversary's command and control. And in 2008, the service intends to field a Counter-Surveillance and Reconnaissance System, focused on denying an enemy's access to space-based imagery.
Leaf would not acknowledge the technologies these "space control" programs will use to disrupt their targets, but experts believe they are jamming systems.
The general also declined to say if the military has now or plans any future offensive space capabilities beyond these two.
Asked why he could not be more forthcoming in explaining whether the United States currently has the capability to achieve space control, Leaf said, "We don't want to reveal any vulnerabilities, if we have any. We don't want to reveal classified information."
Air Force leaders say that in wartime, they would like to achieve "space superiority" much as the United States has achieved "air superiority" over enemy skies in past conflicts. But they are far less willing to open space systems and operating strategy to the kind of public scrutiny the procurement and use of fighter aircraft and bombers and tankers receive on Capitol Hill and in the news media.
"You don't have to understand where we're at with [space plans] to understand" the concept of space superiority, Leaf said in the Nov. 17 interview. He said the quest for space superiority is much like the objective the Air Force has sought and achieved in the air.
"We ensure the capability to use the atmospheric medium, and we deny that to the enemy. We want to do the same from space. There's absolutely nothing different about that just because it's space," Leaf said. "Now the specifics, some of the sensitivities and technical discussions and everything else are quite different, but it is as simple as wanting to do something we don't let the enemy do."
To some outside observers, it seems ironic at best -- and perhaps foolhardy at worst -- that the United States has developed the greatest reliance on space-based assets of any nation around the globe, yet is preparing to go on the offensive against relatively undeveloped foreign space capabilities. The U.S. military increasingly uses spy satellites, the Global Positioning System, Iridium satellite phones and other space-based communication networks to wage war on the ground, in the air and at sea.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/031204-asat.htm
Yep, the Air Force just wants to go up there into the "Wild Black Yonder" and take a look see....that's all. Using something like that as a WEAPON ? Nah....never dawned on us at all.....
You start saying those types of things,and doing those things, and don't be too surprised if other nations decide to do the same. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 6:38:47 PM | I think this is just the natural advance of a nations war chest in countries that have the technology and the finances. The U.S. has already had this technology and is constantly upgrading our war chest.
As for China not wanting a war with the west is, one can only hope the truth. But China has repeatably said in the White Papers that war with the west is inevible.
BTW, China does not have a an Army of a billion + soldiers as some have posted on here. The total human population in China as of June 2006 was 1,313,973,713. Then out of that take into account of women, children, elder people, people who are otherwise unable to fight and that billion man army drops down to about 2.3 million.
The U.S. has approximately 1.4 million personnel who are currently on active duty in the military with an additional 1,259,000 personnel in the seven reserve components 456,000 of which are in the Army and Air National Guard. Not to mention that the U.S. spends more than double on defense than China, Russia, N. Korea, and their neighbors combined.
But the most important stat about any of this is this. If a war did erupt between the East and West the United States will not be the only country that will be fighting the West. If you add all of our military allies (which will have to side with the U.S. considering the other option is China) and their war chests the West has them totally out manned, out gunned, and out smarted.
I see that alot of you on here do not really like the United States so much. Thats your right and your choice. But if a war did ever break out between the U.S. and China everybody and every country on this planet WILL have to take sides. There may be a few countries that will hide their heads and hope for the best, but all the countries will have to take sides.
With that in mind and seeing how much hatred there is for the United States and of course Bush (who wouldn't be in office when the proverbial shit hits the fan with China) the real question to all people is: Who would you rather be allies with? The United States and their allies? Or China and their's?
I really hope this scenerio never happens but if it did, we will all be in the shit grinder together. Whether you want to be or not.
BTW, for all of our Canadian POF'ers out there. You will have to side with the U.S. regardless of your hatred toward us. In this unfortunate scenerio shit will roll uphill. Canda has around 62,000 active troops and another 23K reserve. What will you all do if a shitstorm breaks out with the U.S. and China? You will either jump in with us or learn a third language.
Personally, I like Hot and Sour soup but I really don't want to be forced to eat Kung Pou Kitty. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 6:57:44 PM | Yeah,
The US really hates it when another country decides to not only try to catch up with us, but flaunts it by testing their new "Weapon" in full view of the rest of the world,....
Gawd forbid if some other country decides they are gonna be the new "Peace Keepers" of the world,......
Im sure there would be a fight over who has the right, to take away other nations right to try to bring peace to this planet ! | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 7:29:39 PM | what would be impressive is when china or the usa create a weapon, when launched into space, detonates into 5 billion pieces. lets see how long itll take until all satelites are destroyed by such a weapon.
bush should remember why we protested the weaponization of space....here ya have it. i believe bush, due to his provincial mentality, thinks he is the baddest of the bad but he´s so out of touch with the capabilities of north korea and everybody else....nk for example, does not need to detonate a bomb in usa terrirtory...let it detonate into space where all the satelites fly....it´ll bring all missiles equipped with gps technology to obsolecence. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 7:34:08 PM | Montreal, you musta skipped this part on that Wikipedia webpage you cited:
Originally scheduled for operation by 2008, due to development difficulties the program was "rescoped". The current plan calls for a prototype ABL to attempt shoot down of a test missile in 2008, delaying the final production design until after this test. The U.S. Missile Defense Agency (MDA) says this is to allow design changes based on data acquired during the test. In essence it delays the ABL attaining operational capability for several years. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 7:44:03 PM | As many have said, this one was obvious. It's so obvious that the U.S. is probably already creating a counter to threats like these. I think this test can guide U.S. research into being serious about satellite defense if we weren't already. The biggest problem I have with what the OP posted is that it would not completly negate all weapons the U.S. has. We have heat weapons that don't depend on satellites, and we could produce more of them if needed.
Also, we could produce enough bullets to kill china's military. Men would be the biggest issue, not bullets. -Drew- | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 7:56:10 PM | china needs to start sending up orbiting satelite kill machines to counter the american counter-strike weapons. they can, if they havent already, launch a mother load of those satelite killers under the guise of weather and telecommunications satelite. when the moment is right, let those birds explode into billions of pieces. the only benifactors? of course, the defence contractors and their share holders.
nothing can stop it....theres always a counter to every counter another country can come up with. nobody owns space. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 8:01:45 PM | Airborne lasers have always had the problem of trying to fit a very powerful laser (right now, a heavy payload) into an airframe.
Ground based systems, which don't have that limitation, have already been successfully tested.
Wednesday, 22 October 1997
Early Report 10/22: U.S. LASER WEAPON TEST
Editors in Europe viewed with some degree of alarm the U.S. Army's successful test of a powerful laser--which hit a targeted satellite more than 260 miles from earth--last Friday. While they acknowledged that the test did not violate either the 1967 or 1972 treaties covering warfare in space, analysts nonetheless concluded that the U.S. had "crossed a new threshold" in the technological arms race. Brussels's independent Le Soir noted: "The Americans virtually have the power to blind or to destroy satellites in flight, and thereby to paralyze armies at war by depriving them of their eyes and of their ears. A frightening lead. This technological achievement reminds us that 'star wars' is not entirely dead." A number of writers expressed particular concern that the laser test might provide Russia with "an excuse" not to ratify its pending arms treaties with the U.S. As if to confirm those fears, Moscow's reformist Izvestia declared: "The test...won't help START II ratification in the Russian Duma."
U.S. LASER WEAPON TEST: 'STAR WARS ALIVE AND WELL'?
BRITAIN: "Doing Nasty Things With Mirrors"
The liberal Guardian told its readers (10/22): "Star Wars is alive and well, even if there's no one to play with. Last Friday's test of a high-powered U.S. army laser was talked down by the Pentagon as a modest defensive measure.... The purpose of the exercise, it says, is simply to find out what other--potentially hostile--countries might do with a laser at their disposal.
"There is just one small problem with the Pentagon's rationale. The only power around, hostile or otherwise, in possession of lasers capable of such a performance happens to be...the United States of America.
Last week's laser test toes not violate the letter of either the 1967 or 1972 treaties covering space warfare, but the spirit is another matter. There is another lesson from the test just carried out. It shows according to the Pentagon, that low-intensity lasers could be used--and the technology is available to quite a few countries--to 'blind' the sensors on the U.S. satellites now in use. This raises a whole set of different issues about the ethical implications of such 'spying' and whether it should be internationalized. These must be resolved on the ground, not 260 miles high in the air."
USSIA: "Lasers May Renew Arms Race"
Boris Vinogradov, commenting on a laser space weapon tested recently on an American earth satellite, pointed out in reformist Izvestia (10/22): "The test could just as well pose a threat to other countries' satellites. Military experiments with lasers are even more dangerous in that they can open a new round of the arms race. Today some 30 countries have similar capabilities. Besides, those tests won't help START II ratification in the Russian Duma."
BELGIUM: "Star Wars Has Come Down To Earth"
Pierre Lefevre wrote in independent Le Soir (10/22): "The United States has just achieved a first: Hitting an old military satellite orbiting at more than 400 kilometers from the earth with a powerful laser beam fired from the ground. It has thereby crossed a new threshold in the technological arms race. The Americans virtually have the power to blind or to destroy satellites in flight, and thereby to paralyze armies at war by depriving them of their eyes and of their ears. A frightening lead. This technological achievement reminds us that 'star wars' is not entirely dead....
"On Friday, the purpose was not to destroy the satellite but only to light it up to analyze its reactions. Incidentally, the U.S. administration denies that it intends to develop anti-satellite weapons. It says that it only wants to measure the vulnerability of its own satellites against blinding lasers whose technology is reportedly mastered by some thirty countries. This laser firing nevertheless breaks an international taboo: No one, so far, had carried out an experimental attack against a satellite. Although it was informed in advance of this experiment, Russia could take it badly. The Duma is already reluctant to ratify the Start II treaty. By trying too quickly to arm itself for the future space battlefields, the United States could lose the very peaceful means of getting rid of a few thousands of enemy nuclear warheads without firing a single shot."
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/asat/971022-miracl-mr.htm
That was ten years ago, almost. The use of a laser to cripple such a target avoid turning it into fragments. That's a logical use of a weapon, if your side has a lot of satellites you do not want to be accidently damaged.
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING DPB #143 FRIDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1997 12:50, P.M.
QUESTION: How does the State Department feel about the Pentagon's decision to go ahead with the anti-satellite test?
MR. RUBIN: Well, as you know, Carol, I have some familiarity with this issue over the years and there is always going to be discussions back and forth on a subject like this. But having checked with our people, I have no reason to believe that we here in the Department had any specific problem with this test.
The reason is that the kind of test that it is doesn't pose any problem with becoming an anti-ballistic missile system and this experiment does not violate any arms control agreement. As you know, there is no anti-satellite treaty, other international law, or US domestic law. It is an experiment. It is designed to collect data that will help improve computer models used for planning protection measures for US satellites.
http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/10/971003db.html
So, back then, there was no treaty to stop the USA from doing (in effect) what the Chinese just did. No one seemed to have any problems.
As I said, this is just what we know about. The odds are pretty good that the guys in the lab coats haven't been slacking off. The black op budget is immense, and (especially in a post 9/11 world, and with this administration) I'd be more than willing to bet that capabilites have been upgraded substantially. This administration has already re-classified information that's been publically available for decades. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite Posted: 1/20/2007 8:11:56 PM | Yeah, among other things, the war helped to sell the hideous expensive (but creative) BeltWay Contract Giv-A-Way plan otherwise know as StarWars program that was to be mothballed in 2001... until a certain war conveniently started and all of a sudden, our strategic military priorities changed.
*squint* Timing is everything. | |
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