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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/20/2007 9:40:45 PM | Nobody on this forum is even slightly close to "the program". Certainly not the BeltWay deal.
We as humans, need to face facts.
The facts are, none of us no what the fluck is going on.
The facts are, we all can sit on this forum and argue about some website that posted "facts" about what you want to believed in what was going on. Or argue about some other website's "counter facts" that you do not want to believe is going on.
The facts are, if you believe that George H. Bush invented "The New World Order" your an idiot. He said the phrase. But he certainley didn't invent it. It's quite amazing that the vast majority of people that squawk that prase online in a forum has nothing other contribute than a couple websites to back it up.
The facts are, that we can argue about what would happen in a war between the U.S. and China. And what would happen to the evil U.S. Yea, the United States is so evil. No country in the world has given more to help people than the U.S. I'm sooo sorry that we didn't give enough to the one legged midgets of Siberia. Get over it! If you want to spend your money on a "feel good" measure then Go for It!
We can argue about how everybody wants some other country to come up with -something-that the U.S. doesn't have. But yet, we all really do want the U.S. to come up with something better. Because if the U.S. falls, all humans fall.
The people of the world on this date January 21, 2007 are far better than they were on January 21, 1776. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/20/2007 11:42:17 PM | I saw some time ago, some "expert" speaking about the nightmare
scenario of destroying satellites using a domino type effect. Aside
from Military ramifications, this ALONE could destroy the Western
Economy!
It was postulated already some time ago, that in a time of serious
global military conflict, technologically advanced weapon systems
would be quickly depleted and battles would be fought, utilizing
more conventional means!
What ever happened to the millions of Chinese soldiers that were supposedly
poised to come across the top of the world? Are they still poised to strike,
or are they busy assembling I-Pods? | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/21/2007 8:22:10 PM | Well, China wouldn't have to go far to strike the U.S.'s military if they wanted, so I'm sure they still have troops in place. They could hit the Pacific fleets and bases and that would hurt us pretty badly.
As for the comment on the technology, wars could really be changed by technology if used properly. Sure you would run out, but how much damage would you do before you run out is the question.
-Drew- | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/21/2007 9:14:29 PM |
The emmergence of China and India as economic powers will have as great an effect on the 21st. century
I agree with this and post 21 by MG, that it is an economic matter not military presently. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/21/2007 9:15:51 PM | To clear up a few things here
1) The chinese airforce isn't nearly as strong as the US airforce. We are advancing at a very fast past but still the US is at least 2 decades ahead of us in that department. J-10s are 4th gen fighters f-22s are 5th gen.
2) Our navy doesn't match the US navy, it cannot stop it or go in dirrect combat against the whole of the US navy. What it can do it take on maybe 3-4 carrier battlegroups. ( If i remember correctly the US has around 12 carrier battlegroups). That doesn't mean the US can interdict China thou. Our coasts are way to big for that and china has build a rather massive submarine fleet, wich are pretty good at sinking ships.
3)A war full flegged war will never happen anytime soon between China and the US. Why? Because of MAD ( Mutal Assured Destruction), both sides have enought nukes to blow each other to hell. Oh and don't give me that crap about china only have 20 ICBM, we had 20 ICBMs 20 years ago, just because we haven't announced more doesnt mean we haven't build more of them in the last 20 years.
Thats how it is at the moment, China is a emerging superpower we haven't attained it yet. Of course in 20-30 years from now the numbers should be changing significantly. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/21/2007 9:32:03 PM | I'll preface this with the assurance that it is the unvarnished truth. I wasn't drunk, dreaming or on any kind of drugs.
One evening, about 2 1/2 years ago I was alone at my house on the island. The separation had been realized and the ex and my boy had moved out. I was bored and lonely, so went out to do a little star gazing.....wonderful conditions, the sky ablaze as you only see in remote places. I laid myself onto the camas meadow and stared up into the universe.
Suddenly, a moving dot of light appeared. Cool! A satellite! I watch the stately progression across western skies. When bang. It stopped moving!!! Stunned, I continue to watch
as it begins a series of quick movements in all directions. After about 5 minutes of this maneuvering it stopped again.
I only wish I been able to tear myself away to go get a camera. If I had know how long it would go on I would have.
The next act was announced by two explosions, bright bursts of light just below and north of the satellite. This was followed by at least five minutes of intermittent explosions all around the bright point of light. Even some above. I could see glowing debris fall on some bursts. Then as quickly as it started, it was over. The satellite just hung motionless again. I watched for another twenty minutes but nothing further happened.
It was probably the strangest thing I have ever seen. The only explanation I could come up with was that it was a test of some kind of satellite defense system. I think we can be assured that the US is working on both defensive and offensive space weapons. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/22/2007 11:41:08 AM | Because if the U.S. falls, all humans fall.
Something tells me the more ablaze the US chariot becomes as it plunges down the sky of history the more grandiloquent the verbal diarrhea will become...
...if the audience is domestic they might get an erection or go and shoot themselves in patriotic fervor but in international forums like this, I suggest you don't reveal so much at once about your intelligence... we have just met...
China has never shown any signs of aggression besides their regional claims in their neighborhood. If somehow they become our next overlords it is unlikely any full scale chinese invasions worldwide to spread democracy and freedom...errrr...communism and free market doctrine to the unenlightened but heavily endowed with natural resources will happen any time soon... | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/22/2007 12:01:13 PM |
Because if the U.S. falls, all humans fall.
I used to buy into that. I don't anymore...In fact, I almost feel the opposite is true, despite the fact that I live in the US and all my loved ones live here.
This nation is currently the biggest threat to life on earth. We have many times more weapons than it would take to make the planet completely desolate, and our biggest industry is buying, using and selling those weapons to other nations. We hoard the world's wealth while millions die of starvation; although it's within our power to keep this from happening.
The way the world is and given the history of civilization; if we weren't doing this, someone else would be... but shouldn't we be trying to change things so that's not the case?
In the past thirty years we've exported nuclear technology to Iran, bioweapons to Iraq, trained all the terrorists in the Americas at the "School of the Americas" in Panama and Fort Benning Georgia, exported 25,000 stinger missiles to Afghanistan, sewed about 9 million mines into the world and restarted the nuclear cold war.
is there a chance the world will survive the United States? | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/22/2007 4:11:58 PM | BushCo has been lobbying to build his trillion dollar plus missile defence system for sometime. They tried to sell North Korea and Iran as possible future cold war enemies. How else can you feed the military Industrial Complex? Problem is, because of Geography and Laws of Physics, North Koreans and Iranians won't be able to fire missiles at the US. But now, knowing how willing and mercantile the Chinese are. They may have very well have been paid to do this.  | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/22/2007 4:23:57 PM | Not only has our own anti-missile/satellite system been in space for over two decades,(the Strategic Defense Initiative-code name Star Wars,thank you President Reagan for giving it that Hollywood flair)our own satellites have built in counter-measures specifically designed to thwart such things. The only thing this development will bring is a lot of boring melodrama on CNN (YAWN). If you want to discuss weaponry that is truly frightening,why don't you do a little research on genetic-specific viral weapons,hmm? But,before you do,let me leave you with a fact which makes this the most horrific development of the twentieth century. All the inter-breeding we've been doing has caused such weapons to be less particular about their targets. Say a vi-weap targeting Chinese DNA,
for instance,were to be released. It would rapidly destroy people of Asian descent. It would also afflict people of PARTIAL Asian ancestry. Then,as viruses are prone to do,it mutates. Before you know it,Stephen King's book,
The Stand becomes almost prophetic-except the whole demon thing. Oh well,food for thought. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/22/2007 9:26:32 PM |
The Chinese are coming!
The Russians are coming!
The terrorists are coming!
The commies are coming!
BOO!
You forgot one Jesus is comming!!
The Stand becomes almost prophetic-except the whole demon thing.
Yeah! His first and the best book he ever wrote I think.
China is catching up,but I'd put my money on the USA military. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/23/2007 4:39:51 AM | The Chinese arn't coming at all.
They are going to stay right where they are.
2 billion people, 1/3 of the Earths population is starting to seriously compete with us for their share of this planets resources. All those material goodies we've been used to buying, the Chinese and Indians are going to want too. That means the price of everything we know will do nothing but go up and up.
All of us Westerners are going to be forced to live much simpler lives that what we've been used to. We are going to have to get by on much less than we have in the past .
The Chinese don't have to beat us on any battlefield. They only need to catch up to us economically. As their standard of living increases, ours will decrease.
As their economy gets stronger their influence in the world gets stronger.
I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, it's just the way it's going to be and we'd better be prepared for it. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/23/2007 9:31:12 AM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population
Look at the global perspective.
China and India - theres the future competition for natural resource/manufactured goods grabbing, the war of them who gots, and them who ain't (yet). | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/23/2007 5:49:44 PM | Richard Clark commented that if China attacked the US it would be through cyber-space and target computer sytems controlling infra-structure, like the power grid.
The weapon tested isn't anything new, both Russia and the States have developed and tested them in the past. Due to the danger of an arms race and space as well as the danger posed by the debris, both sides called it quits. I think China was sending a message to the west about any new arms race like missle defense or baby nukes could trigger. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/23/2007 6:40:00 PM | China paid a lot of money for that technology to build those weapons, remember Bill Clinton's Chinese campaign contributors. They can't spend all that money and not show off their new toys.
I don't for see any major conflicts between the US and China and think either would be foolish to invade the others turf. I do see China as an up and coming force that wants to be recognised by the other large world players. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/23/2007 8:41:14 PM | "is there a chance the world will survive the United States?"
I hate to say it, but these last few years have seen the final stages of American hegemony and their position as a credible protecter of human rights, or freedom.
You have depleted the worlds store of goodwill from WW2 and are trying to replace it by force. There have been so many lies, and tactical blunders.....I'm beginning to wonder if anyone is driving this bus?
The US reached for the moon! And achieved their goals in a spectacular fashion.
What a shame to see such promise perverted by petty, worldly obsessions.
We had such high hopes.. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/24/2007 6:35:34 AM | China paid a lot of money for that technology to build those weapons, remember Bill Clinton's Chinese campaign contributors. They can't spend all that money and not show off their new toys.
The Republicans made a lot more money off the Chinese, my friend.
US: Bush's Brother Has Contract to Help Chinese Chip Maker
by Warren Vieth and Lianne Hart, Los Angeles Times
November 27th, 2003
WASHINGTON - Neil Bush, a younger brother of President Bush, has a $400,000-a-year contract to provide business advice to a Chinese computer chip manufacturer, according to court documents.
At the same time the Bush administration is promising to crack down on alleged trade abuses by the Chinese, Neil Bush has agreed to strategize with China's Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., the documents show.
While there is no indication he has done anything improper, Bush's arrangement could attract attention during a presidential election cycle in which Chinese business practices have become a hot-button issue.
"There's certainly the appearance of influence being sought," said Charles W. McMillion, a Washington business consultant who advised a congressional commission on U.S.-China policy. "If nothing else, it doesn't look good."
The younger Bush's relationship with Grace Semiconductor, first reported in the Houston Chronicle, is detailed in a two-page contract filed as part of divorce proceedings between Neil and Sharon Bush. The divorce was finalized in April.
The China contract is not Neil Bush's first brush with controversy. In the 1980s, he was a director of Silverado Banking, Savings & Loan, a Colorado thrift whose failure cost U.S. taxpayers $1 billion. He was one of 12 defendants who agreed to pay $49 million to settle a negligence lawsuit brought by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
Neil Bush did not return phone messages seeking comment. Neither did his attorney, Grace Semiconductor or Sharon Bush. An attorney for Sharon Bush declined to comment.
In Crawford, Texas, where the president is spending the holiday, White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said there would be no comment on the China matter.
According to the consulting contract, Neil Bush was to receive $2 million worth of Grace Semiconductor preferred stock over five years, issued in annual increments of $400,000.
In return, Bush agreed to "provide GSMC from time to time with business strategies and policies; latest information and trends of the related industry, and other expertized advices," the contract states.
In addition, Bush was to attend meetings of Grace Semiconductor's board of directors, and the firm agreed to pay him $10,000 per meeting to cover expenses. Bush signed the contract Aug. 15, 2002.
It was not clear how much compensation Bush has received so far. The contract said he would receive the first $400,000 allotment within one month of the company's 2002 board meeting, "provided you have duly furnished GSMC with the information and details required for the issuance or transfer of the share certificate."
Grace Semiconductor, based in Shanghai, was founded in 2000 by Winston Wong, the son of Taiwanese business magnate Wang Yung-ching, and Jiang Mianheng, the son of former Chinese President Jiang Zemin. Wong co-signed the contract with Bush.
The company has said its goal is to become a leading manufacturer of integrated circuits and other semiconductor products. It has invested $1.6 billion to build two fabrication plants in Shanghai. Production from the first plant began in September.
During a March 2003 deposition taken as part of his divorce proceedings, as reported by the Chronicle and confirmed by an attorney in the case, the president's brother acknowledged that he knew little about the industry he had just joined.
"You have absolutely no educational background in semiconductors, do you?" asked Sharon Bush's attorney, Marshall Davis Brown.
"That's correct," Bush responded.
"But I know a lot about business," he said at another point, "and I've been working in Asia quite a long time."
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=9231
Wal-Mart's China inventory to hit US$18b this year
By Jiang Jingjing (China Business Weekly)
Updated: 2004-11-29 15:21
The world's largest retailer, Wal-Mart Stores Inc, says its inventory of stock produced in China is expected to hit US$18 billion this year, keeping the annual growth rate of over 20 per cent consistent over two years.
The trend is expected to continue, company officials revealed.
"We expect our procurement stock from China to continue to grow at a similar rate in line with Wal-Mart's growth worldwide, if not faster," said Lee Scott, the president and CEO (chief executive officer) of Wal-Mart.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/29/content_395728.htm
Wal-Mart is a major contributor to the Republican Party. In the 2004 election cycle, Wal-Mart donated $2.1 million to candidates and campaigns - more than any other retailer. Eighty percent of those donations went to Republicans, according to OpenSecrets.org. Wal-Mart's closeness to Republicans was further demonstrated in May 2004, when Vice President****Cheney said, "The story of Wal-Mart exemplifies some of the very best qualities in our country - hard work, the spirit of enterprise, fair dealing, and integrity."
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/002163.html
Lucky those guys weren't Democrats, or there would have been HELL to pay over these type of cosy arrangements.  | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/24/2007 7:32:58 AM | "The Republicans made a lot more money off the Chinese, my friend."
Your comparing apples to oranges, legal trade business and buying classified info. from a traitor. BIG DIFFERENCE!!
I do not claim to be a Republican or a Democrat and truthfully despise the party system but have not got much say in that matter. If idiots would quit defending their party and offending the other party maybe something could actually get accomplished.
Given China's past and current performance on human rights I would not be giving them the leg up we are. I believe there are many great people in China but until they can replace they're current government with freedom they will always be an untrustworthy threat. I am glad to see the people of China emerging from poverty and gaining. I am not at all impressed with their government that is more concerned with exploiting their poverty level to make great profits of which most are not spent back on their people but are being spent to build bigger government. They hold the paper on world debt while their people are literally struggling to feed their families on mere pennies a day. Their people are beaten for getting together in a home to pray and worship God as they choose to. They have come a long way but have a long way to come and with the money they have made exploiting their cheap labor markets they could be still a major threat to the free world. They have shown time and again that they are willing to sell arms to people like Saddam. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/24/2007 7:46:36 AM |
WASHINGTON - Neil Bush, a younger brother of President Bush, has a $400,000-a-year contract to provide business advice to a Chinese computer chip manufacturer, according to court documents.
At the same time the Bush administration is promising to crack down on alleged trade abuses by the Chinese, Neil Bush has agreed to strategize with China's Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., the documents show.
While there is no indication he has done anything improper, Bush's arrangement could attract attention during a presidential election cycle in which Chinese business practices have become a hot-button issue.
Whenever the police investigate one who has completed a serious crime, they
ALWAYS investigate the family members and dig deep into family history. The
Bush family has helped Hitler and the Bush family has friends with close ties
with Hussein....now we have another Bush member with special ties with the
Chinese to help them with technology´s.
All this tough talk against another nation, imo, is just cover for something more
underhanded or evil....power is used, sometimes, by those who want to hold
a monopoly on trade for personal benifit. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/24/2007 10:49:44 PM | | What else can we exspect from the Bushes? Money is thier goal! I don't think that China has any intention of using weapons against the US at this time. The Us owes them big time. 50% of the US debt is owned by foreign countries of which China is one of the loan holders. | |
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| China tests new weapon. Shoots down Satellite
Posted: 1/6/2008 11:00:20 AM |
What else can we exspect from the Bushes? Money is thier goal!
I'll agree to that.
Im more worried about the demise of our US Economy, and internal damage, from our own people in power.
If, and or when, that happens,...I feel we will be pretty much sitting ducks, for the rest of the world to take pot shots at,...even as far away as Korea.
Bring the troops home,...secure our southern border,...start removing illegals, of all race,....protect our country,..and its citizens.
First and foremost. | |
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