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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 1:32:06 PM | What I feel about the situation you describe:
I think I'd want some verification to find out just which story is the real one before I got all wound up about it.
I really question this situation though:
You say you've dated the dude for 6 months and think you want to marry him - but - you're on a dating site and your profile says you aren't looking for a date but you describe what you think a first date should be like? I think there's a smelly fish in the pond somewhere. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 2:18:24 PM | Dorian, oh so you DO know everyone on the planet? Gee I’m sorry…
Yes I'm only 21 but I have more wisdom than many people twice my age. But I know that a person is forever learning. Lives are a lesson you go through until you get it right. It doesn’t seem like you realize that. Sorry but you sound like a selfish and conceited guy that refuses to believe in anything other than your own close minded opinions. Yes what you're saying IS true for many people, but to assume it is for everyone? Please don't think you know what I'm like or will be like in the future. That is completely ignorant and insulting to not only me, but even more, yourself. You're the type of person that will probably come back as a snail. Then I'll have some escargot for dinner. Yum yum!
<div class="quote"> You can date me or a kid that works in a gas station, smokes pot and jerks off to internet porn in his parents basement. What do you think tha wise choice is? Exactly... Anyone with a half of a brain will go for the dude with the cool job, the right attoyude and security. Otherwise, you'll be in a traailer for the rest of your life.
Is that a golden rule? The qualifications of a 7-11 clerk? 'Must smoke marijuana, live with parents and masturbate'. lol That sounds like a kid to me and I prefer not to date guys younger than 24 or 25. And I don't date drug addict lowlifes either because it's not beneficial to my drug free life style. But if a guy is say working in a gas station while he's going to school or tying to start a real career (and I don’t mean to get rich. He could be a painter if that was his gift), that's different.
You see not everyone cares a lot about the financial aspect. Yes we don’t want to be poor and homeless, but having a ton of money? Why do I need that? I don’t. Why should I be so selfish? Richness to me in measured in the strength of your character, your heart and soul. Your beliefs and principles. The talent and skills you have that makes you special or unique to any average Joe and Jane out there. And the people that are in your life that make you happy. Money can’t buy any of that. Sure a snobby rich girl may walk by with designer clothes, a Gucci purse and stick her nose up at me. But do her friends truly respect her? Would they stick around if she lost everything? I’ve know a few people (and an ex) that started their own business and made a lot of money. Every one of them said that if they lost it all, they’d have no friends left, except me for me and maybe one or two others. That is completely true.
And I’m socialist, we don’t believe in having classes.
<div class="quote"> Humans by nature have an inherent need to excel towards greatness. Your parents waht you to be better than them, you'll want your children to do better than you and so forth. It's called human nature. It's called survival of the fittest. Thant's how humanity works.
And what is greatness exactly? I think that is different for everyone. For many it may be money and for others it’s personal enlightenment. That is what I’m striving towards. Greed can only damper that search.
<div class="quote"> And as a Top 100 wealthy guy... Why would I bother sleeping, or dating a middle class tart when I can bed Warren Buffet's grandaughter? Get grip kids.. This shite just doesn't happen.
Tart? Do you know what that means? And to apply it like that? I think you have some serious issues.
What if a middle class girl was incredibly funny, intelligent, beautiful, and talented (could sing like an opera star or something) with a heart of gold? Yet she was a waitress at restaurant working her way up to her career (the arts aren’t an easy business to get into. Unless you’ve got a famous and/or rich daddy. Ahem Kelly Osborne and Brooke Hogan *gag*). And Warren Buffets granddaughter was the cruelest dumb **** you’ve ever met. Would you still pick her? Yes probably, and that's just sad.
You see I'm not disagreeing with everything you’ve said because I know it's true for many people. What I'm against is the generalizations.
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 2:40:55 PM | | I would do that. And have done so throughout various stages of when I had money. This is the same reason why I put myself in some situations that make me less than who I really am, because I know the choices are slimmer with women who can accept me in a less than flashy state. This is a weeding out process. Because I firmly believe this...A woman or man who really loves you, would gladly live in a shoe box with you than loss your love. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 5:29:05 PM | @ Moontress
I have no idea what beibng a socialist has to do with trying to get ahead. I've been a capitalist social democratist far longer than you have been a socialist. On that same point, anyone who believes in political ideology ahead of bipartisan govenment process is as dangerous as the current American president. And your assumption that I'm some kind of greedy financial capitalist is so misplaced, it's laughable.
Socialists beieve in making things better. By making things better that means "moving up the ladder." Remember Castro? Lenin? Stalin? Mao? Hitler was a pretty popular socialist at one time too? Also, you might also realie that ocialists are the most elitist, self centred and openly classest people on the face of the earth. Our history isn't all as altruistic as you might believe.
Secondly, by the nature of your personal insults against me, I can safely sa that I;ve made my point about your level of life experience and immaturity.
Third... The point I made about someone working ata gas station, smoking pot and jerking off in his mo's basement had nothing to do with someone working in a 7-11(?!) Ho you came up with that, I'll never know... You missed the point entirely. I can appreciate someone working their way through school... However, woud you date someone who's life's ambition was not to o ANY beter than that. If you say yes... You're a liar.
Fourth... I didn't ONLY mention the financial aspect. That's your hang up. I talked of social standing, educational standings... Money only came up because that's the nature of the thread. Try and stay on point, and perhaps stop listening "selectively." Quite feankly, it's unbecoming.
I'm glad to know that you believe that guys 24 or 25 are mature...LOL 
Oh, please.
If you think it's greed that I'm driven by you're sadly mistaken. And you, as a so called socialist should know that glory drives any politician or political movement. A desire to be better isn't greedy it's huan nature. It's like hunger. It's called ambition.
That's the crux of my argument. I believe that ambition is important. You don't seem to feel the same way.
As for the use of the word "tart..." Don't be so rightiously indignant. It was used in jest. Seriously... Your reaction is utterly uncalled for.
And quite frankly... On the socialist theme... Louis the XIV said it best... "Absolute power corrupt absolutely." Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Chavez, all started out believeing in the greater good too.
We live in a Capitalist Social Democracy. Canada isn't socialist. You wouldn't like socialism very much if it were forced upon you which is the onlly way socialism is ever implemented is with force. History has proven that. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 5:55:35 PM | a lack of financhal security can really be a burden on a relatship. stupid fights can break out over small trivial little things. it really sucks, weither it be a fact of trying to live well beyond your means or a total mismanagement of your resources. everyone wants security in their lives weither it be financhial, spritual or emotional. it is only the financhial that people seem to care about and seek out. the reason why those with it dont brodcast it. attracts the wrong people. if you are only with someone for what they can do for you and not what they make you feel like you can never be really happy. and being rich is just a matter of where your standing. a man with a bottle of water in the desert is rich to the man dying of thirst beside him. but the wealthiest man of all is the one who finds true unquenchable love.
dont you think.
p.s im not rich, mk. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 6:13:33 PM |
I have no idea what beibng a socialist has to do with trying to get ahead.
Did I say it had anything to do with that? Ok then...
Dorian, if you knew about the history of Socialism you would know that Marxism was founded by Karl Marx, who was Jewish. You would also know the difference between the various types of socialism. National Socialism (aka the 'Nazi Party') is nothing but an insult. My social views lean strongly towards Liberatian Socialism, but I'm not stupid. I know that there will never be a true socialist society (it's impossible unless everyone, including other countries around you support it). It would never work as a system. Because in order for a country to be truly socialist, money can't exist. I highly doubt the barter system would last that long, especially in North America. There would be many items that would become unavailable and that would open up a huge black market for said goods.
Secondly, by the nature of your personal insults against me, I can safely sa that I;ve made my point about your level of life experience and immaturity
Excuse me... Did I say 'you are selfish and conceited'? No, I said you sounded like you were. The words you used made you seem that way to me. There is a difference between making a suggestion and stating something as a fact (ie. 'you sound like a jerk' to 'you're a jerk!') If you feel I've personally insulted you, then I'm sorry. Not that deserve that though, because you are doing the very same thing to me that you just complained about.
Third... The point I made about someone working ata gas station, smoking pot and jerking off in his mo's basement had nothing to do with someone working in a 7-11(?!) Ho you came up with that, I'll never know...
It's a gas station, isn't it? Hmm?
Fourth... I didn't ONLY mention the financial aspect. That's your hang up. I talked of social standing, educational standings... Money only came up because that's the nature of the thread. Try and stay on point, and perhaps stop listening "selectively." Quite feankly, it's unbecoming.
Oh I can go on about that too...
I'm glad to know that you believe that guys 24 or 25 are mature...LOL
Oh, please.
Talking from personal experience? LOL.
That's the crux of my argument. I believe that ambition is important. You don't seem to feel the same way.
Actually I STRONGLY do. Just because my ambitions aren't the same as yours, doesn't mean I don't have any.
I'm tired. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 7:21:46 PM | When I was younger and my dad was divorced, he was like that. You wouldn't think he had money by the way he dressed. You'd either have to look at his watches or look in his wallet. He wasn't CEO-rich, but he was one of the top blue-collar workers for a huge oil company.
Once I asked a female co-worker if "clothes made the man" and she said they did. My ex-stepdad apparently thought that too. But it is possible for a guy to dress nice and have a nice car and yet be up to his eyeballs in debt. It's not how much money a guy makes. It's how much he gets to keep after spending it on bills and debts. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 7:22:02 PM | You're tired now? Yes, you certainly are.
I dread to see what's going to happen when you're a 38 year old idealogue living with 97 cats and preaching the values of socialism... And by the way... I have philosophy degree from McGill... I finished my degrees. Both of them. (Philosophy, Civil Engineering) I dropped out before I out get my third. I also happen to realize that the only way to true social democrcy is by utiizing capitalism. Tommy Douglas would agree and so too would Canada's greatest Professor of Economics, Mr. Stephen Leacock.
As for 25 year old guys being imature... Ummm... Yeah, I am speaking from experience. I know exactly what 25 year old kids are like. I used to be one. I also know how impetous and idealistic 21 year old women can be. Good luck in your search.
You've proven my points for me. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 8:35:59 PM |
You're tired now? Yes, you certainly are.
Yes because I haven't been able to sleep more than few hours a night in the past few weeks.
I dread to see what's going to happen when you're a 38 year old idealogue living with 97 cats and preaching the values of socialism...
What's wrong with 97 cats? LOL... and I don't preach. Stop pretending like you know me.
And by the way... I have philosophy degree from McGill... I finished my degrees. Both of them. (Philosophy, Civil Engineering) I dropped out before I out get my third.
Well good for you! I bet you feel very accomplished! I can type with my toes.
lmao
I know exactly what 25 year old kids are like. I used to be one. I also know how impetous and idealistic 21 year old women can be. Good luck in your search.
There you go again with the generalizations. I've know some 25 year olds who are way more mature than how you're making yourself look. And as far as being idealistic, that's a good thing. And if you think all 21 year old women are, then that is just silly. An idealist is someone who strives for their ambitions. They have strong principles and goals. They are visionaries and are always looking ahead to see how things could be.
I haven't met any other 21 year old idealists. In fact most females I've met in their 20's have been quite the opposite.
You've proven my points for me.
LOL ok then... If you say so...
I already said I didn't disagree with you on everything. Some points I did agree with. It was just about how you generalize and act like you know me. And you talk to me about selective hearing?
I can't do anything now but laugh. At your age, I think you're a lost cause. So I'm ending this debate here. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/20/2007 9:56:00 PM | Don't go away mad, kid...
I generalize because that's how the real world operates.
I'm 38... My last long term relationship lasted 3 years with a woman thaat began when she was 18 and I was 35. I believe I have some knowledge about women that age. I dated them when I was young and I dated them when I was older. Certainly they are not all alike. However, 99% are impetous, opinited,, foolish and silly. Based on percentages, there happens to be a good reference for generalizations.
She was one of them. She was aleady in her 3rd year t U of T and called upon to represent Canada in trak nd field.
And if you think idealistic people hve ambitons and goals... I agree. They also die broke and vacant. There are more idealistic failures than successes. Most encyclopedias would be able to reference that for you.
Good luck in your search for granola or whatever it is you think will make the world better. At least I can do something there rather than just sit back and say "I told you so," or "I'm idealistic." Trust me, kid... Experience is a far greater mesure of idealism and intelligence than anything that a 21 year old can bring to the table. (That wasn't a personal dig. Just stating a fact that most long term, tax paying, un satisfied citizens would agree with.)
Jusr do me favour in the next election and keep the conservatives out of office by voting for the liberals. As we ll understand after this time with the crazed Stephen Harper... Now is not the time for idealism. It's time for the best of the worst. The only option to save the country is Stephane Dion because he is the only one that can kill neo conservatism.
Idealism has brought down nations. Just ask the USA. THAT is NOT a generalization.
Good night and good luck being idealistic. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 1:41:15 AM | Wow, long read thru this thread. You guys need a personal to hash this back and forth.
" Trust me, kid... Experience is a far greater mesure of idealism and intelligence than anything else." Well said, coming from a pup such as yourself.
Getting off track just a little bit. Just wondering Dorian, where did your father rank in the Liberal Party and maybe perhaps a little bit of daddy's money may have allowed you to pursue your choice of 3 degrees and your current career. I'm thinking you spent all except maybe a 1/3 of your life in school. Were you working at 7-11 to pay off those student loans? Inquiring minds want to know.
On the same idea, let's all vote for the upstanding and moral Liberal Party. That will be an entirely different thread. Cheers. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 7:03:32 AM | | You never let anyone, including friends know what your worth. It does two things and only two things, incite jelously, envy and alters peoples perceptions about you.People judge you on how much you make and what you do for a living. If your worth something people come looking for financial help all the time. If you roll around like a big spender you attract a lot of attention to yourself in ways you do not understand that tends to lead people not being quite honest about thier intentions. Men do it as easily as women.I know plenty of women who men get involved with simply because they end up supporting them in some way or fashion.I know one women who some how pays the mortgages on her boy friends properties. Cause he gambles away the profits. She has money and he knew it. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 6:08:07 PM | | You had no indication that he had money after 6 months? That kind of money is hard to hide, and if he really does have the kind of extreme wealth that you are describing you may be in for disappointment when you are living the "modest" life that he seems so intent on living. Paranoid maybe? | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 6:24:09 PM | | if i was wealthy, i would be wery of women too. if i reaqlly liked a girl, i most certainly conduct it as if i had no money at all. it wasnt a lie, it was to see if he could have a girlfriend that didnt care about the cash. thats all | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 7:28:58 PM | Oh, now THIS is a fun thread... *laughs* As for the original point of the post, I would do the same thing, had I that much money. If you've got a LOT of money, then yes, there will be people after you for your money; prospective husbands/wives included. I can totally see why he would do that.
Now, as for this whole money/social status/rich people associating with rich people thing, yes, that DOES happen...a LOT. Of course it would. Often times though, when you see that sort of thing, the people involved are people who have worked their way up (in whatever their chosen field of work may be) and are making money because of it. I would venture a guess that some average dude that won the lottery would be a lot more prone to remaining in the same social circles and doing the same things as before. However, I can only say that because that's what I'd do if I won the lottery. If in 20 years, I'm the head of some huge company (or whatever) then it might be a different story; but this IS something that is person to person.
I generalize because that's how the real world operates.
No, this is the way you operate in the world. I've NEVER met anyone with the authority to tell another person how the world works. You can observe another person's life, but you can never live it. You can never fully be inside their head. And yes, at 24 years old, I can confidently say that I've been to enough places on this earth, met enough people and have enough experiences to be able to say that. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 7:43:23 PM | Wow, so you met and fell in love with a guy who just happened to be one of the wealthiest guys in America? You were ready to settle for him when he was an average schmoe, but no that he has the dough, there is an issue? I had a similar problem when the woman I wanted to marry didn't tell me she was a funny, intelligent, easy going super model. - Oh and my wallet is too small for my $50's
Be happy, It sounds like reality TV! | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 7:43:42 PM | | He just wanted you to be interested in him for WHO he is... I know where he is coming from... I've had women interested in me because of my money, so I too, now down-play my worth. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 7:48:29 PM | Sometimes things like this happen. I just find this thread very suspect.
She didn't say it was true, she just asked how we'd react. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 7:58:33 PM |
I believe that all people have an inherent need to move onward and upward
That won't work. If everyone is moving UP, the one they are moving UP on is moving DOWN. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 7:58:54 PM | Everyone has problems that money can't take care of. Money can make your life easier in alot of ways; but, you also have to consider how having this sort of wealth is going to possibly change your life for the worse. You'll be surprised at how many people will all of a sudden wanto befriend you or possibly current friends/family will be looking for "hand outs" or loans and that it NEVER a good idea. They may distance themselves from you or cut off contact if you refuse to help them. Are you absolutely sure he is telling you the truth about all of this? Have you done your research to find out that he is who he says he is? How old is this person and how old are you? I find it interesting that he is living so "modestly" to tell you the truth. If it were me, I would have to see some sort of documentation that what he says is true.
You have alot to think about and if things to consider to progress with him, possibly a pre-nuptial agreement is going to be something he may want if marriage is in your future. How do you feel about that? What I find more interesting is if you have been dating this guy for six months, why did you join this site about 3 weeks ago? Were you looking for advice via the fora? Apparently, you have some questions and concerns. I would definitely seek the advice of your OWN lawyer if marriage is in your future. You have to look out for your own needs as I am sure he is looking out for his. Good luck to you! | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 8:02:17 PM | Is this a real situation or a made up scenario?
I can't see how anyone would be dating a man that is one of the Top 100 Wealthiest Men in America without finding out about this. If you are that rich, there would be no way to hide it. Media would be following him around all of the time, interested in what he's doing and who he is doing it to. He would have interviews and magazine articles to do. Public speaking engagements, seminars, meetings and things like that that would put him in the spot light. He would be getting phone calls from his broker, attorney and accountant.
Maybe he just made up this story to try to get a reaction from you. Either way, he is a liar. | |
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| Has money, but you wouldn't know it.
Posted: 1/21/2007 8:16:39 PM | | Boy are you naive. There is no way that his story is credible. Has he asked you for a $20,000 loan yet? It may be true that he doesn't work, but that's probably because he's a scammer, on welfare or receiving an allowance from his mommy. Anybody who is worth a lot of money, especially somebody who is in the top 100 wealthiest people in America will display their wealth like a peacock. Money and power are the greatest aphrodisiacs known to man. There is not a man alive today that wouldn't use his money and power to get as much pu*ssy as possible. Chances are he's a scammer, a bum, a liar or all of the above. You've been conned honey. | |
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