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Posted: 6/11/2008 3:52:42 AM |
probably one of the many many cases were social workers intervened, possibly involving removing children and consequently possibly saving lives and halting suffering, however you wont have heard of any of these because they are never reported in THE SUN
I am assuming that was directed at me and was meant as an insult? | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 7:46:27 AM |
ok then. tell me... how do they do this? you are obviously very knowledgeable and i think you stated that you've had involvement. just how do they go about seeing it through from start to finish???
Well for one thing you do not make a report stating that the child/children seem to be neglected/bruised/in severe agitation or that the parents are drunk/drugged up/wicked towards their children and then file that report back at the office and have a cup of tea and forget all about it. You make twice weekly visits, you talk to the children and the parents alone and then if the situation does not improve you put the kids in foster care until the situation is either resolved or the parents are prosecuted if they have been either abusing or neglecting their children!!!!
please explain, what is it that they actually do wrong? tell me what can they do to improve their practice? how do they go about doing this?
As above.
i think your expectations are very commendable, please explain to me what it is you want changing? use your neighbours, across the road, as an example. how would you have gone about saving this family? what would you have done different?
And as for the
this is absolute rubbish!!! it is yours, mine and everybodies job to look out for the welfare of OUR children.
after i said Social Workers are PAID to look out for the welfare of children when they are working in that field... Can you explain why it is rubbish?? Are they not paid then?? Are the all volunteers?? Or are they paid to do something else completely different when they are working in the childrens part of social services?
With no disrespect to Victoria, it should be borne in mind that she died almost 8 years ago. There has been lots of changes since then, and yes there has been huge improvements
Why the feck did that girl die of starvation after being visited by a Social Worker? Why were her and her siblings found scavenging for bread crumbs?
Thing is, if you actually bothered to read the beginning of this thread you will see that i didn't slate ALL social workers. The ones appointed to my mother to help her with various things such as getting her "Blue Badge" for my dads car so that he could take her places with ease such as shopping were great.
Trouble is people are lumping together social services as if they were a giant mass, they are individuals working for a department and yet some people on here refuse to see that there really are some Sh*t social workers......
All sticking together and covering each others backs!! | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 7:59:48 AM | [Did i say all? I don't remember saying that at all.
What do you deem as a successful case?
I think when your a person clearing up the mass of destruction they leave behind, it leaves you with a tainted view.
you got lucky with your SW, not everyone does. Open your eyes to the possibility that some in the families teams are far from perfect. Some, dare i say it, most of those i have seen practice are manipulative bullies. Get over it.]
i deem a sucsess when a family are helped either through a crisis or to parent better or the child for its own safty was removed.
have you had a social worker? are you angry at being deemed unfit? if this is not the case you seriously need to get over yourself . maybe the sw may be deemed as dominat iv never met one that bullies tho but then they are dealing with people either unfit or not capable of looking after children and may well need to be handled in a different way to more 'normal' for want of a better word people | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 8:29:01 AM |
i deem a sucsess when a family are helped either through a crisis or to parent better or the child for its own safty was removed.
have you had a social worker? are you angry at being deemed unfit? if this is not the case you seriously need to get over yourself . maybe the sw may be deemed as dominat iv never met one that bullies tho but then they are dealing with people either unfit or not capable of looking after children and may well need to be handled in a different way to more 'normal' for want of a better word people
The use of generalising in your statement is unreal. are you saying all parents of children who have been placed on the at risk register are unfit or not capable? if you truly believe that i suggest you do some research.
I deem a success to be when the needs of the FAMILY are met with as little intervention as possible.
Can i ask how many child protective team SW's you have met?
Have i ever been considered an unfit mother? why, in SS eyes yes i have. As i am sure 25%, yes thats right 25% of the female population would have had they sought help too. Now, my children have never attended a casualty unit for any injuries, all their immunisations where up to date, my only fault was i had postnatal depression. I had support from my HV (of 10 years) and CPN, that my children where not at risk. Yet SS who i had never met before with their probabilities saw things differently. Am i angry, yes, because mine wasn't an isolated case, if it was, then fair enough, i had a shit SW and it was the luck of the draw.
However, since working within the field of mothers who have PP and PNI i know just how common it is to have an uneducated SW dictating what's best for a woman, her child, and her family despite medical reports to the contrary. What do you say, shall we lock all women who have a mental illness such as postnatal depression in secure psychiatric units? just becasue they are not 'normal' (your word) have you ever seen a woman being forcibly dragged away from her children, who at the time are the only thing she lives for? how vast is your knowledge in the filed of child protection and the families courts?
I am passionate about this, damn right i am, i have seen far to many families destroyed on probabilities. After all that's all it takes, the balance of probabilities.
I am not alone in this view, there is many a respected professionals pushing for changes.
What i struggle to understand is that just because yours was a positive case how you can think that everything i have wrote is hogwash (was that the word?)
The only source of knowledge is experience.
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 6/11/2008 9:03:07 AM | i took an overdose when i was 18...approximately 90 tablets.
i also suffered post natal depression after having my first son, and virtually had a breakdown when my second son was 6 months old as my partner and i split the same day as my dad died.
my second son was in and out of hospital on many many occasions when he was a baby due to asthma.
if everything that has been stated by other's about social services on this thread is true, then why have i never ever been approached by them?
i suffered clinical depression from the age of about 17 right up until a few years ago, all documented and treated, yet i was never appointed a CPN...surely to be under the care of a CPN it has t either be severe depression or other concerns?
not trying to undermine anyone here, but i simply just don't understand why it would appear that such a large proportion of women on the net (not just here, but other sites i have used too) seem to have involvement with social services. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 9:06:41 AM | | i have met about 5 child protection sw in total all different with different approaches my problem with what your saying is that its not impartial. im not saying all mothers with pnd are a risk to their children but some obviously are and the parent may not know what is being said by their cpn and mental health team to the sw in question. you are completly blinded by your experience and however sad that maybe your spouting off like this in a genral forum is not making a balanced discussion it is trying to in some way to justify how you feel and get gratification from others views that you are right. i was seen by a child protection sw due to being a victim of domestic violence, was i deemed an unfit mother no ,why, because i listened to what they had to say and worked with them for the good ofmy child , your argument would be much better stated if it had been a discussion about wether mental health patients make good parents rather than focusing on the supposed wrong doings of social workers which you are painting as some dark forbodding figure just w\iting to pounce on our children to have them adopted away to meet there figures, im not saying there are not some sw that are in need of retraining but id say its the exception no the norm! | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 9:39:13 AM | probably one of the many many cases were social workers intervened, possibly involving removing children and consequently possibly saving lives and halting suffering, however you wont have heard of any of these because they are never reported in THE SUN
"I am assuming that was directed at me and was meant as an insult? "
yes it was and no it wasnt an insult, it was a fact. your blinkered and biased views make no allowance for a lot of the good work that goes unseen, unnoticed and pretty much ignored becuase it isnt newsworthy or sensationalist enough to be splattered over the pages of a national rag.
can I ask, do you tar all GP's with the same brush as harold shipman? you really need to get a sense of perspective. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 9:51:27 AM | Please note that i have not tared and feathered the social services. I mention my posotive experiance with them in previous posts and also mention that I am fully aware of the fact that they are, like organisations, a colection of individuals. Some bad some good. Just because some of them are bad/good dose not meen they all are and I think everyone on this thread should keep that in mind, all of the bad and good expericances people have reported on here are probly pretty representative of both extreams of the social services. They clearly are largely helpfull and good people, but can also quite clearly fail obcenly and let people down in the worst of ways.
baviaans kloof
You have every right to see your files. Why don’t you put in a request? Just beware, you may find out information that you didn’t want….
Firstly. DO NOT EVER CAST ASPERSIONS ABOUT ANOTHER PERSONS MOTHER That is a sure way to piss someone off!
Secondly, please read what I said. I know for what reason I was taken from my mother for those few hours, what I was asking WHY paganism was considered enough of a reason? Thats like saying that all Vegans are bad mothers. Or all aethists.
Are you sure your memories are representative of actual events? Again, your files…..
Please don't insult me by sugesting that I don't know what happened in my own life. i would never sugest that your own person experiances were wrong because nobody knows what you have expericanced but you.
If I say I had a bad experiance of the social services when I was a child, then it dose not mater what any files say because they can not acount for personal experiance, only for what was reported.
Besides that, my files do not say much anyway (yes I have seen them, you were asuming I hadn't) they give such sparse information that it is imposible to obtain any information from them that would be of any use.
Do the research yourself.
I will do, but i am no social worker and do not know where to start. So I need someone to tell me what sorts of papers and laws have been and gone so that I know where to look. I'm not omnicient you know, I need someone to tell me things like....
A good place to start is the Every Child Matters paper which bought about the Children Act 2004.
this, so that I can actually do the research.
~Leannie~
i suffered clinical depression from the age of about 17 right ..... i was never appointed a CPN...
That was a failure on the S,S side. They should have apointed someone to you to help you to cope. You may have recovered faster or had fewer problems/set backs had they done so. But perhaps they had not been informed you needed support. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 10:03:39 AM | if everything that has been stated by other's about social services on this thread is true, then why have i never ever been approached by them?
Services vary in different areas. All of personal things i have put in my posts are proceedings i have witnessed myself. I have also been working with mums for 3 years now, most of the cases where SS involvement have taken place have been pushed to extremes. that's not to say some don't, its to say some do.
i suffered clinical depression from the age of about 17 right up until a few years ago, all documented and treated, yet i was never appointed a CPN...surely to be under the care of a CPN it has t either be severe depression or other concerns?
not necessarily, it can all depend on the short comings of your area, a gp just fobs off with tablets, the waiting lists for treatment via CPN's and counsellors can be too long. Whist treating the depression with medication, it doesnt treat the cause. Given what you have put there Leanie, in some parts of your life that would warrant CPN and crisis team involvement.
not trying to undermine anyone here, but i simply just don't understand why it would appear that such a large proportion of women on the net (not just here, but other sites i have used too) seem to have involvement with social services
Relatively speaking its not, there are 100's of women that post on this forum, these are a few. I see it more then i should because of the cases i work with, and the websites i frequent.
my problem with what your saying is that its not impartial.
I never said i was. You obviously are not impartial in your argument either.
im not saying all mothers with pnd are a risk to their children but some obviously are and the parent may not know what is being said by their cpn and mental health team to the sw in question.
Freedom of information act means every person has a right to see any documentation held on them. All statements put before the chair and the panel are read by all attending the conference. Also, personally, not once where my parenting abilities questioned by any other member of the panel. In the initial conference the were praised highly by the paediatrician whom i had known and seen regularly for 9 yeas upon my eldest daughters disability diagnosis.
i was seen by a child protection sw due to being a victim of domestic violence,
Funnily enough, i work alongside women's aid in allot of cases too. And they do have workers that have also made complaints about the behaviour of some SW. My contact is with mothers is all over the UK, its not just a specific area of poorly trained SW. Yes most of my argument is in a field i know allot about, but I wouldn't ever assume it doesn't happen outside my remit.
supposed wrong doings of social workers which you are painting as some dark forbodding
I have provided evidence of wrong doings have i not?
You will also see in a previous statement i haven't painted ALL SW as a dark foreboding figure.
was i deemed an unfit mother no ,why, because i listened to what they had to say and worked with them for the good ofmy child
You had a good experience, but saying you did because you did everything you were told like a good little lap dog meant that you had no problem with them beggars belief. It isn't that simple. Some people are not given that chance. Was your child even placed on the at risk register? Should it have been they believed everything your ex could of been saying it would of been a different story i'm sure. Do you have any idea of the damage that is done psychologically between a mother and her baby when separated? do you think its washed away under the rug just because they are back in each others arms?
Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I honestly struggle to understand your ability to say its all untrue when the evidence is documented. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 10:09:58 AM |
probably one of the many many cases were social workers intervened, possibly involving removing children and consequently possibly saving lives and halting suffering, however you wont have heard of any of these because they are never reported in THE SUN
"I am assuming that was directed at me and was meant as an insult? "
yes it was and no it wasnt an insult, it was a fact. your blinkered and biased views make no allowance for a lot of the good work that goes unseen, unnoticed and pretty much ignored becuase it isnt newsworthy or sensationalist enough to be splattered over the pages of a national rag.
can I ask, do you tar all GP's with the same brush as harold shipman? you really need to get a sense of perspective.
Quote ability is there for a reason.
Firstly, i don't read the sun, not because me reading ability above that of an 11 year old, but because its a rag as you stated. I am also from the north west and i would, when ever that paper is directed at me see it as an insult. 
The HS argument, pathetic one. As it happens, of my closest friends is a GP.
Did i tar all of the SW with the same brush?? I do suggest you go and read my posts again. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 10:21:53 AM | "Quote ability is there for a reason. "
I know, but I was taught to use quotation marks at school and they serve a good purpose!
" I am also from the north west and i would, when ever that paper is directed at me see it as an insult. "
self pity city by any chance?
"The HS argument, pathetic one."
no it isnt, its quite relevant
"As it happens, of my closest friends is a GP."
and? | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 10:43:56 AM |
"Quote ability is there for a reason. "
I know, but I was taught to use quotation marks at school and they serve a good purpose!
" I am also from the north west and i would, when ever that paper is directed at me see it as an insult. "
self pity city by any chance?
"The HS argument, pathetic one."
no it isnt, its quite relevant
"As it happens, of my closest friends is a GP."
and?
Self pity, again, something i know little about, i was taught to speak up and be heard,
Come back when you have relevant information to add the thread/discussion instead of throwing personal digs about a persons choice of newspaper that are not relevant. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 11:23:01 AM | "Come back when you have relevant information to add the thread/discussion instead of throwing personal digs about a persons choice of newspaper "
wasnt aware I was throwing personal digs, maybe you just choose to see it that way?
what relevant info would you like me to provide? | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 11:47:50 AM |
wasnt aware I was throwing personal digs, maybe you just choose to see it that way?
Maybe i do, you stated i read the *** as a fact. When you question where i get my information and claim i only receive it from sources such as the ***, and state it as a fact, where i have never once quoted anything from their paper. 1 i question your ability to read my posts as a whole, and 2, i see it as you questioning my intellect.
You stated my views are biases to a point i am ignoring the positive cases, where have i ever said that? Again,m i ask you to please, go through my posts again, in context and point out where i have said *ALL*.
Can i question your knowledge in this field? that is the field of child protection, not SS as a whole.
what relevant info would you like me to provide?
Something of more substance then what your sparse posts on this thread seem to have consisted of.
Ive never read so much cr@p in a very long time. the ignorance displayed on this thread in the majoriy of posts is shocking
Are you absolutely sure about that?
the Children act 2004 is one thing that leaps out as being quite obvious not to mention reams of other legislation covering all other areas of social work.
CRB checks?
GSCC registration?
and who got sacked? how many nurses, doctors, police also got sacked?
the daily mail isnt a robust academic paper
absolutely top drawer stuff...bone heads lmfao!
probably one of the many many cases were social workers intervened, possibly involving removing children and consequently possibly saving lives and halting suffering, however you wont have heard of any of these because they are never reported in THE SUN
yes it was and no it wasnt an insult, it was a fact. your blinkered and biased views make no allowance for a lot of the good work that goes unseen, unnoticed and pretty much ignored becuase it isnt newsworthy or sensationalist enough to be splattered over the pages of a national rag.
can I ask, do you tar all GP's with the same brush as harold shipman? you really need to get a sense of perspective.
I know, but I was taught to use quotation marks at school and they serve a good purpose!
self pity city by any chance?
no it isnt, its quite relevant
and? | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 11:55:58 AM | "Maybe i do, you stated i read the 'sun' as a fact. " ( how juvenile to asterisk the word out!).
now, please show me where I have stated that you read the sun? you really are taking this far too personally.
"When you question where i get my information and claim i only receive it from sources such as the ***, and state it as a fact, " ???? again? where?
" 1 i question your ability to read my posts as a whole, "
Likewise Im sure! | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 11:56:44 AM | You had a good experience, but saying you did because you did everything you were told like a good little lap dog meant that you had no problem with them beggars belief. It isn't that simple. Some people are not given that chance. Was your child even placed on the at risk register? Should it have been they believed everything your ex could of been saying it would of been a different story i'm sure. Do you have any idea of the damage that is done psychologically between a mother and her baby when separated? do you think its washed away under the rug just because they are back in each others arms?
that is not what i said at all my case was closed because i worked with them is that being a lap dog, or thas being a person asking for help ,listening to advice given and being very happy with their child now, im not saying you have to dance to their tune but a woman with a burning resentment for her sw is not going to be receptive to change and to trained individuals this will be noticeable you think just because you listen to someone say poor me im ill im a great mum its true!? i said a few posts back mistakes are made they are human beings not robots, but you are deluded if you think people loose there kids without thorough investigation to meet quotas , i dont pay store by all your little qoutes from this person or that authority i can go get you a quote that says joe bloggs was taken away for a week by aliens doesnt make it true tho does it!
no my child was not on an at risk register i was told if i took my partner back she would be so no contest i didnt so she wasnt! | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 12:34:58 PM |
i dont pay store by all your little qoutes from this person or that authority
Burry your head in the sand then, these are official reports damming a government body.
If you ask most police, doctors or nurses, on the whole that say SS do a pi$$ poor job AT BEST. The majority of SW are inapt and the 'good ones' are so over worked that they are incapable of doing a good job.
i can go get you a quote that says joe bloggs was taken away for a week by aliens doesn’t make it true though does it!
WTF...No but if everyone was telling you that they were being taken by aliens you would have to consider it. Trouble is that’s a stupid statement.
These arnt isolated examples, these arnt random spurtings like most posting on here. If this was any other department there would be an outcry. What if the police just started to arrest people without legal representation or trial and hold them indefinitely because you may or may not commit future crimes. What if Doctors could detain you indefenately without justification because you may or may not harm yourself in the future. Bullshite. To take a child from its mother or father is tantamount to a crime, if the mother or father has or is likely to harm its child then the mother or father should be cared for and worked with to resolve their issues.
MSG 91
Maybe i do, you stated i read the 'sun' as a fact.
now, please show me where I have stated that you read the sun? you really are taking this far too personally.
you said earlier
probably one of the many many cases were social workers intervened, possibly involving removing children and consequently possibly saving lives and halting suffering, however you wont have heard of any of these because they are never reported in THE SUN
she asked
I am assuming that was directed at me and was meant as an insult?
you replied
yes it was and no it wasnt an insult, it was a fact.
to say that she would not have heard of these because they are never reported in the sun, implies that she reads the sun...therefore you DID by implication state that she reads the sun. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 12:45:17 PM | "now, please show me where I have stated that you read the sun? you really are taking this far too personally."
"you said earlier"
please show me where?
"to say that she would not have heard of these because they are never reported in the sun, implies that reads the sun...therefore you DID by implication state that she reads the sun. "
No, the implication was that she wouldnt read them in THE SUN because such things would never be reported in THE SUN, ergo she wouldnt have read them in THE SUN..noone would | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 12:51:40 PM | you know what?
i was really enjoying reading this thread..it was interesting and thought provoking, but your silly, pedantic, word war is spoiling the whole thing!
why don't you all grow up, agree to disagree and talk about the topic instead of trying to get the upper hand!!
ffs! | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 12:53:55 PM |
"Maybe i do, you stated i read the 'sun' as a fact. " ( how juvenile to asterisk the word out!).
now, please show me where I have stated that you read the sun? you really are taking this far too personally.
"When you question where i get my information and claim i only receive it from sources such as the ***, and state it as a fact, " ???? again? where?
" 1 i question your ability to read my posts as a whole, "
Likewise Im sure!
Has been pointed out above.
but you are deluded if you think people loose there kids without thorough investigation to meet quotas , i dont pay store by all your little qoutes from this person or that authority i can go get you a quote that says joe bloggs was taken away for a week by aliens doesnt make it true tho does it!
has again been pointed out above that some of these are official reports. Do you have an official one about aliens abducting children, i would love to read it.
Sometimes it must be great to feel there is no need to pay attention to things that are happening in the world because it doesn't have any affect on you.
The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 12:56:36 PM |
you know what?
i was really enjoying reading this thread..it was interesting and thought provoking, but your silly, pedantic, word war is spoiling the whole thing!
why don't you all grow up, agree to disagree and talk about the topic instead of trying to get the upper hand!!
ffs!
Apologies Leannie, i feel i have provided more then enough evidence to back up my own argument, but lack of evidence on the other part means that its struggling to continue on debate level.
I hope you manage to read some of the links i have provided. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 12:57:15 PM | [Sometimes it must be great to feel there is no need to pay attention to things that are happening in the world because it doesn't have any affect on you. ]
and you my bitter friend should put a cushion on the floor so you dont hurt yourself when you fall off your high horse | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 12:59:18 PM | | Do you know i have retracted this posting because to be quite honest i dont give a fcuk anymore about what some of the people on this thread are saying. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 1:15:43 PM |
Do you know i have retracted this posting because to be quite honest i dont give a fcuk anymore about what some of the people on this thread are saying.
Think i'll join you, the documented legal evidence is there; for those who choose to read it.
i have no restrictions on my mail, should anyone choose to message me, feel free. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 1:24:27 PM | How on earth can anyone 'debate' with some of the unsubstantiated and biased opinions, demonising social work, that have been put forward. Debate? its nothing of the sort.
“Social services do a pi$$ poor job AT BEST.”
Enough said I think | |
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