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 AngelAmbie

Joined: 10/23/2006
Msg: 26
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Posted: 2/11/2007 10:38:06 PM
Sorry...have to add another quick post for drew_d2...


a) They can prove he was the one that gave the victim HIV; not that the victim recently got HIV.
b) They can prove he lied about it.
c) They can prove he knew he had HIV.


I work in a field closely related to this (I work with pregnant addicted women, who are high risk and often encounter HIV) and can tell you the following!
1. When you are diagnosed with HIV in Canada, it is a reportable disease. That means it gets reported to the government and you name is placed on a list. You can get tested annonymously, but they will not give you the results over the phone or anything, you have to do it in person. If the results are positive, you MUST give ID and you are to speak with a public health nurse.
2. When you get HIV, you are to give a list of all the people you have had sexual contact with. These people are then requested to get tested. You can obtain a lawyer after this and have the records of all the people who were tested to be subpeoned. This means, that if you have HIV you records are reported and can be used against you in the future for EXACTLY this scenario.
3. The public health nurse will speak with you if you test HIV positive and explain to you your legal responsibilities. YOu are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE to tell any person you MAY HAVE SEXUAL CONTACT WITH that you ARE HIV POSITIVE. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it! It is your legal responsibility and it is monitored.
4. It is an aggravated assault charge because you are assaulting the persons health by infecting them with a virus (same as if a criminal or something injected people with a substance). You are injuring them. That's why it's assault. And it's aggravated because he knew prior to doing it, it was intentional assault.

Just thought I would let you know!
 titiansmuse

Joined: 9/15/2006
Msg: 27
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Posted: 2/11/2007 10:52:06 PM
It would be great to use the power of the net and get this guys face so 'out there' while he is out of circulation,that no woman on the planet would think about touching him. If you have watched helplessly as a friend or loved one is lost to this disease, they go hard, slow and hurting-This guy should be facially branded to warn women off of him.
 betterlate

Joined: 12/22/2006
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Posted: 2/11/2007 11:11:11 PM
I feel that sentence is too light, they should put him away for ever, that sucks that he just ruined those peoples lives, that is attempted murder, what if those people cant afford the medicines?

terrible, just terrible, that guy is a monster!! LOCK HIM UP!
 blady

Joined: 8/5/2005
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Posted: 2/12/2007 9:56:06 PM
Makes me wonder how many more people are walking death machines due to HIV infections.
 Moder8TheMods

Joined: 1/27/2006
Msg: 30
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Posted: 5/16/2007 7:35:30 AM
this is murder pure and simple .. aggravated assault? rofl its murder and atttempted murder this (&*^*()_ moron deliberately knowingly sentenced a woman to death and they give him free university courses and free medication? give the fucking medication to the women he infected. Pay her tuition and let him go without medication in a solitary cell so he cannot infect other inmates.
 LoonyTunz

Joined: 8/11/2006
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Posted: 5/16/2007 10:04:58 AM
Knowing and not telling so you can nut off is attempted murder, if the disease has been transmitted it is murder.

Since this guy has shown a willingness to expose others without telling them .............. Tattoo "HIV Infected" in inch high letters right across his face, let's see him pick up and lie like that again. If I remember there was an ex-football player in Winnipeg and a base-skank by Petawawa doing the same thing. The sentences are dar to light considerring the gravity of the crime. Not only have they exposed those they have slept with but untill those people know they could have HIV they will expose yet more people. So the crime is essentially that of a mass murder or serial killer, the criminal deserves no more respect than they have earned (none in my books), if this behaviour is provable beyond all doubt this is a perfect candidate for re-instituting capital punishment.
 dorionland

Joined: 10/21/2006
Msg: 32
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Posted: 5/17/2007 8:32:06 AM
He should get the needle. Then throw away the needle.
 hope for future

Joined: 10/13/2005
Msg: 33
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Posted: 5/21/2007 4:32:30 PM
sadly this is not a suprise
this has been the only plague with civil rights to the infected.
i beleive that anyone that carries a sickness should warn others unclean etc.
i do not beleive in prisons except for pretrial holding after that restitution or execution sparing the taxpayer of course.
 goomba2

Joined: 1/29/2007
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Posted: 5/23/2007 3:02:32 PM
What's also sad is how doctor-patient confidentiality laws prevent the doctor from informing a sex partner that this person has HIV/AIDS.

That relationship breaks up and the former partner sleeps with someone else, unknowingly spreading HIV.

If a lawyer was to know about an illegal act from his client and proof was shown that he hid that fact; the lawyer would be brought up on aiding and abetting or obstruction of justice. The doctor is now caught in a paradox, because they can't say even if they wanted to.

However confidentiality is not enforceable to criminal acts. So if the patient says they had sex with a 5 year old or stabbed someone. Then they can tell.

I don't believe having sex with someone while having knowledge of a communicable disease, and not informing the partner, is against the law. I hope someone can cite me as wrong on that.
 Moder8TheMods

Joined: 1/27/2006
Msg: 35
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Posted: 5/24/2007 12:06:23 PM

I don't believe having sex with someone while having knowledge of a communicable disease, and not informing the partner, is against the law. I hope someone can cite me as wrong on that.



I don't give a f**k if its against the law its WRONG. End of story

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 GaGirl4You

Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 36
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Posted: 6/8/2007 12:00:13 PM
Yes, this is a very sad thing that people are out there giving it to each other and not even caring....I work in a STD and HIV clinic and see it every day...You see ,the worst part of it is that alot of these people know they have it and don't come in and still sleep with people.....that way when the other person gets HIV they can't put that person in jail because it has never been in public record that he knew he had it......and so it just keeps going on and on......I have pt.'s with HIV and Aids from 15 to 72 so beleive me no one is safe in any age group...I know no one "likes" condoms but believe me people you don't want this, I have seen many many young people die from it and its not a pretty site....some can die fast others slow...

There is thousands of strains of HIV so no matter if both people have HIV they still have to use a condom are they will be making a new strain that we might not have med.'s for........When this HIV turns into aids(and it will) and you wait to come in and your t-cell count is 2 you have nothing to fight off germs, not even the germs we breath every day so you get yeast in your mouth,down your throat ,and can cover your whole body....You know then you are one sick person.......Do yourself a HUGE favor cover up, no sex is worth what I see each day........Do you really want to die just for a one night stand are just to stupied to cover it up......Very sad sickness and by all means its not just for gays...........highest in HIV right now are young black males....so please stay safe and think of what your doing because it can happen to you!Oh and by the way you can get all the condoms FREE at your local Health Dept.....USE THEM!!
 northernlooker

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Posted: 9/17/2008 6:38:42 PM
okay first of all, I have to say, it's more like the woman chose to commit suicide, becuz why do we all forget that these women have a mind of their own.....not to say his behavior was correct, but we can't completely forget that the act of sex requires two willing participants.
 Captain Girly Girl

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Posted: 9/18/2008 9:13:42 AM
Alright, this thread is making my brain hurt.

1. There is no such charge as "aslt with a deadly weapon" in Cda. There is aslt with a weapon, but no "deadly weapon". Moreover, what deadly weapon was used??? Body parts, body fluids, are not weapons. You want to charge someone with aslt with a weapon because they spit on someone?

2. There is no charge of "rape" in Cda. There is sexual aslt, sexual aslt with a weapon, aggravated sexual aslt, there is no such charge of "rape". Now, rape within lay terms is a sexual assault. Aggravated sexual aslt was the perfect charge.

3. Lying has been illegal in many circumstances. I guarantee you if I tell Revenue Cda that I only made 20k when I made 60k, I will be in a LOT of trouble. Sexual activites in this country require consent- you do not get to assume you have consent. The super drunk girl blitzed out of her mind isn't able to consent, so even if she's throwing herself at you, you can be charged with a sexual aslt if you take her to the back room to get your freak on. Lying about something as significant as HIV status is sufficient to vitiate consent, meaning in this case, lying is illegal. This is nothing new in Cdn law. In fact, the Supreme Court decided the matter 10 years ago in R. v. Currier. So "I don't believe having sex with someone while having knowledge of a communicable disease, and not informing the partner, is against the law," is largely inaccurate in Cda.

4. Murder? Puh-lease!! There's no dead body, there is no murder. Attempted murder? Not a chance. Waaaaaaay to many intervening acts, and no intent.

For the benefit of my Cdn counterparts, and those wanting to weigh in on Cdn legal matters, the link to the criminal code is: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/C-46///en . Please note that in Cda, Criminal law is the same in all provinces, unlike our southern neighbours who have different criminal codes in each state. And canlii.org is a free cite able to provide many court decisions. R. v. Currier should be available there or via the scc-csc.gc.ca website.
 Captain Girly Girl

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Posted: 9/18/2008 1:29:28 PM
5. Lawyers cannot break privilege with clients unless the client has advised that they are going to cause harm to another individual. If I have a client tell me "Yeah, I killed her, this is where her body is burried" I certainly do not have to, and cannot tell anyone outside my office that the client said that. I'm not aiding or abetting or obstructing justice- I'm doing my job. If a client says "I'm going to kill her tomorrow" and I believe he's going to, I am obligated to notify authorities, but even then I should be doing so anonymously if possible.
 greg8001

Joined: 7/10/2008
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Posted: 9/18/2008 5:31:55 PM
Under Australian criminal law, at least in the Code jurisdictions (Western Australia and Queensland), this sort of thing constitutes the offence of 'grevious bodily harm.' Assault using a weapon is a different offence than knowingly infecting someone with a deadly disease, or giving someone a deadly or dangerous disease through reckless omission. It would be interesting to consider what sort of charges might be laid if someone infects another person deliberately using a syringe in an assault.

"Murder? Puh-lease!! There's no dead body, there is no murder. Attempted murder? Not a chance. Waaaaaaay to many intervening acts, and no intent."

In the Code jurisdictions in Australia, we do have a 'special' type of murder that does not require the prosecution to prove intent on the part of the accused - s 279(1c) in the Western Australian Code. It needs to be shown though that the actions of the accused have caused the actual death of the victim in question, and also that the accused can be held legally liable for the crime. There are other types of murder that require the proof of an intention to cause either death of the victim or injury likely to lead to death. In Australia we have had some very interesting cases where there is the 'novus actus' question - in one case a victim died after being knocked unconcious and left to drown in the tides and the tide was not held to break causation - R v Hallett [1969]. Also if someone jumps from a window and dies to escape harm, the chain of causation was held to not be broken by our High Court - Royall [1991]. Still, there was a Queensland case where the accused was acquitted of a manslaughter charge involving a car because someone grabbed the steering wheel, causing the car to crash - a good example of novus actus.

"5. Lawyers cannot break privilege with clients unless the client has advised that they are going to cause harm to another individual. If I have a client tell me "Yeah, I killed her, this is where her body is burried" I certainly do not have to, and cannot tell anyone outside my office that the client said that. I'm not aiding or abetting or obstructing justice- I'm doing my job. If a client says "I'm going to kill her tomorrow" and I believe he's going to, I am obligated to notify authorities, but even then I should be doing so anonymously if possible."

These principles also pretty much apply to Australian lawyers as well.
 Captain Girly Girl

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Posted: 9/19/2008 7:32:00 AM
Ah, someone who knows what they're talking about!

Generally, people don't die from aids. They die from other diseases that result in death due to the weakend immune system of the individual. A court may or may not keep the chain should the woman die 30 years from now from Pneumonia, but there would need to be a wealth of medical evidence to show but for the HIV, she would not have died. Now however is certainly not the time to be charging him with murder or attempt murder.
 Captain Girly Girl

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Posted: 9/19/2008 9:43:04 AM
And to show this is nothing new in Cda, from todays Wpg Sun:

The Crown is seeking a 24-year prison sentence for a man who hid the fact he was HIV-positive from his young female sex partners.

Clato Mabior, 31, was convicted in July of six counts of aggravated sexual assault and one count each of sexual touching and sexual interference.

At a sentencing hearing yesterday, Mabior's lawyers asked Justice Joan McKelvey to consider a sentence of 13 or 14 years.

McKelvey reserved her decision. Mabior will return to court for sentencing Oct. 10.

At trial, the victims -- one as young as 12 -- testified Mabior plied them with booze and drugs and engaged in repeated acts of unprotected sex without disclosing he was HIV-positive.

"He knowingly withheld that information from his sexual partners on the basis that in all likelihood they would not have engaged in sexual contact with him," said McKelvey in convicting Mabior.

McKelvey called Mabior a sexual predator who preyed upon the young, vulnerable victims.

At trial, defence lawyer Chris McCoy argued in many instances, Mabior's viral load was so low he was incapable of passing on the HIV virus.

No matter the risk, Mabior had a duty to disclose his health status, McKelvey said.

"Those that are infected with HIV cannot inappropriately and indiscriminately engage in sexual relationships for their own pleasure without regard to the consequences of others," she said.

Mabior was acquitted of three additional counts of aggravated sexual assault involving three different alleged victims. Mabior, a Sudanese refugee, is likely to face certain deportation upon completing his sentence.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2008/09/19/6810531-sun.html
 trubblemakr

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Posted: 9/19/2008 9:59:14 AM
they should enact a law stating hiv infected people be tatooed in a clearly visible spot , possibly the forehead or bellybutton area, to inform possible victims of this persons disease
it isnt hurting the diseased persons rights , its protecting the non diseaseed persons life and human rights
we all expect and presume someone is honest or "innocent" until proven guilty in this pathetic country. however if we leave the onus on the infected, to inform us of their infection or disease, we will further doom future generations to suffer by these diseases.
screw the rights of the dying or diseased. i think the rights of the healthy are paramount to the rights of the diseased.
it just shows you how , as a race we have become more pathetic and stupid in our self induced ignorance of reality. protecting the dying and contagious over the rights and right to live of the presently healthy and uninfected is the height of stupidity, and the error of our ways is already being shown to us today as millions of new people are becoming infected ,and the next generation of children are being born diseased and infertile
we as a race will be doomed and eradicated by the ignorance and greed of drug companies and charities who are profitting by the proliferation and acceptance of these people into the general population.
if we look back into history, the black plague, the contagious and dying were locked away and separated, they were then burnt and totally erased to stop the disease. what have we learned from history???
 jordon3

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Posted: 1/20/2009 11:31:52 AM
This whole subject is sickening and am glad people are thinking and discussing it. As we all know condoms are apparently 80-85% effective to prevent pregnancy..also some condoms are defective....makes you wonder how effective they really are at protecting against hiv infection. That said it is my opinion anyone that is having sex with strangers and mulitple partners and such should not be allowed to use the excuse they did not know they were hiv+.....this legally should never be used as a reason to avoid be charged...simple fact that if you are having sex outside of a relationship you should be imo be tested frequently. Althou i have some compassion for those with the hiv ...I am much more interested in the prevention and further spread. No easy answer but lets not fool ourselves...just have to go to a bathhouse and see the horrific degrading lack of concern that goes on. not much different in the straight world in the night club scene.
 jordon3

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Posted: 1/20/2009 11:38:05 AM
Absolutely the fact of the creep should be posted..to help save the innocent...he is of a character that will continued to do this once he is released...no conscience.....lost his ability to recognize right from wrong. There are consequences for you behaviour and i my opinion he has lost his rights permanently in this area.
 SarahKnows

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Posted: 6/19/2009 2:48:47 AM
Okay, i have to say something. I actually know Vincent, and was by his side, along with many of his other good friends, through the court process. In regards to the story in general... once again, the "press" has totally messed up 90% of the facts. Vincent did have unprotected sex with ONE girl while he was aware of his status, yes, although he tried to be what he thought was "safe"(by not ejaculating), he was obviously mistaken that such precautions are actually effective(agreed, a pretty stupid theory to begin with). And yes, he did meet said girl at a BAR, but he had no idea she was 18(in a bar picking up random guys at 18??) as she lied for much of the relationship about several facts(like the fact that she was doing cocaine and sleeping with other people for instance - more information that was revealed in the courtroom but never made it into the papers oddly - hmm). Apparently the media just printed whatever made Vincent sound more heinous, or what would sell more papers... or basically whatever the hell they felt like printing including misquoting everything he said. I'm not trying to pick on the victim in this case, i just don't think it was fair for her and the crown to lie their way through the hearings, bending the truth at every opportunity. Vincent did a horrible thing, but he was honest, admitted it and plead guilty - there was no reason to play as dirty as they did.

There's a reason Vincent only spent just over a year in a low security camp(more like a vacation I heard during our correspondence). It's because this case was NOT as bad as the press made it out to be, and neither is Vincent. He's a good person who made a really stupid, terrible mistake. He was emotionally f*cked after finding out about his status, and went into immediate denial. It's just too bad the crown had the judge and the media bought and paid for... then we might have actually heard the TRUE story.

There, now you finally have some of the facts.
 cotter

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Posted: 6/19/2009 1:48:26 PM
northernlooker ...
it's more like the woman chose to commit suicide, becuz why do we all forget that these women have a mind of their own.....
Say WHAT??? the woman chose to commit suicide? In what way? She didn't know he was HIV positive before she had sex with him!!!!

HELLO ... he apparently didn't have the decency to tell her!!!!

sarahknows ...
I actually know Vincent ... and although he tried to be what he thought was "safe"(by not ejaculating), he was obviously mistaken that such precautions are actually effective(agreed, a pretty stupid theory to begin with).
And also not a very good excuse given that health authorities are required to go into the most minute details about sex when they give you the news that you are HIV positive. And just by the way ... even if they had not done that, there is still no excuse for him not to use a condom.

And yes, he did meet said girl at a BAR, but he had no idea she was 18(in a bar picking up random guys at 18??) ...
So because she might have (in your opinion) questionable social behavior, that means she deserves to be infected with HIV? Her life has no value because she is 18 "in a bar picking up random guys"?

... as she lied for much of the relationship about several facts(like the fact that she was doing cocaine and sleeping with other people for instance - more information that was revealed in the courtroom but never made it into the papers oddly - hmm).
Again, because she may or may not have (in your opinion) questionable social behavior, that means she deserves to be infected with HIV?

Apparently the media just printed whatever made Vincent sound more heinous, or what would sell more papers... or basically whatever the hell they felt like printing including misquoting everything he said.
So, Vincent is generally not a "heinous" person ... just when it comes to "getting off" and not telling his sexual partners about his incurable disease? Gee ... how very moral of him.

I'm not trying to pick on the victim in this case, i just don't think it was fair for her and the crown to lie their way through the hearings, bending the truth at every opportunity.
How did they lie? The only lie they could have possible told that would have hurt Vincent would be if she had said that he has HIV and he really didn't. But that's not the case ... eh?

Vincent did a horrible thing, but he was honest, admitted it and plead guilty - there was no reason to play as dirty as they did.
And exactly when did he get honest about it? Before or AFTER his little deed(s) was(were) exposed?

There's a reason Vincent only spent just over a year in a low security camp(more like a vacation I heard during our correspondence). It's because this case was NOT as bad as the press made it out to be, and neither is Vincent. He's a good person who made a really stupid, terrible mistake.
A man who goes around exposing others to HIV with no regard to others is NOT merely a "good person" who made a really stupid, terrible mistake.

He is a thoughtless, selfish person who knew exactly what he was doing. It was calculated to say the least. If he had not given it any thought at all and was really "stupid", he would not have thought about NOT ejaculating ... he wouldn't have given it any thought at all. You give him way toooooooo much credit.

And just by the way, if you know so much about it all ... how was it that he contracted the disease to begin with? Was he doing IV drugs? Was he just randomly f@cking around and caught it?

You go out of your way to make his victim seem like a piece of trash, but what behavior was it exactly that got Vincent involved with HIV? Strange that you don't paint us any kind of picture about that ... eh?
 marita_b

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Posted: 6/20/2009 8:45:20 AM

Thursday, November 4th, 2004 | Volume 94, Number 17

The case of a Toronto man accused of knowingly spreading HIV to a young woman
By Erika Richmond

Police arrested 28-year old Vincent Walkem at his workplace, a downtown Toronto clothing store, on August 30. Walkem, who is HIV-positive, has since been charged with aggravated assault and accused of engaging and attempting to engage in unprotected sexual intercourse with at least three women – without revealing his infection.

According to health records released to police, Walkem had known he was HIV-positive for almost three years. His name and photograph were released to the media in the hope that women who had sexual contact with him would come forward. So far, police have received several such reports.

A young woman who tested HIV-positive during her relationship with Walkem tipped off the police. That young woman is my best friend.

There is a widespread misconception among university students that the risk of HIV pertains to other, disenfranchised demographics. Not so. A 2001 study done by Health Canada shows that 44.5 per cent of new HIV cases in Canada involve young women aged 15 to 29. The stories of those who had alleged relationships with Walkem are exclusively from that demographic; my friend’s story is not as rare as it may seem.

A year and a half after her diagnosis, I felt, along with a need to understand how the law views cases like this, that it was time to share my friend’s story with other people our age, as a warning and perhaps an inspiration.

HIV/AIDS among the young a cause for concern?



HIV/AIDS is an phenomenon that is increasingly affecting women, particularly young women. They represent a growing proportion of positive HIV test reports. According to a fact-sheet put out by the AIDS Committee of Toronto, women accounted for about one in four of all HIV diagnoses in Canada from 2001 to 2003. In the years between 1985 and 1997, they accounted for only 12 per cent of HIV diagnoses.

Women also made up over 38 per cent of all positive HIV test reports among Canadians aged 15 to 29 in 2002. In the same year, heterosexual contact remained the main risk factor for HIV infection among women – accounting for 58.3 per cent of positive HIV test reports.

Women are an increasing proportion of Canadians living with AIDS, from 6.1 per cent before 1994 to 16.5 per cent in 2002.

HIV/AIDS is also an issue of concern for young people around the world and in Canada. According to the 2004 UNAIDS Report on the Global AIDS Epidemic, young people aged 15 to 24 account for half of all new HIV infections worldwide. An estimated 10 million young people are living with HIV/AIDS in the world today. In Canada, youth aged 15 to 29 accounted for just over a quarter of all positive HIV test reports from 1985 to 2003.

There are many possible explanations for the recent steps backward in the fight against HIV/AIDS. One is that Canadians are less wary about the risks of infection than in years past. It is an idea that seems to be disproved by a recent survey commissioned by the Public Health Agency of Canada. While nine of ten Canadians see themselves as having a low risk of contracting HIV/AIDS, higher risk groups – such as youth and those with multiple sexual partners – are conscious of their higher risk of infection. 59 per cent of youths under 25 years of age also believe that the risk of contracting HIV/AIDS is higher than it was ten years ago.

What may be a disconcerting result from the survey is the number of Canadians who do not engage in safer sex practices – almost half of respondents. Of those who do not practice safer sex, 87 per cent attributed the decision to the fact that they are in a monogamous relationship.

World AIDS day is on December 1 and will feature events at McGill.

—compiled by Rishi Hargovan, with files from the AIDS Committee of Toronto and the Public Health Agency of Canada


A typical story?

My friend, who asked not to be named, says she began a relationship with Walkem in the summer of 2002. Fresh out of high school, she stayed in Toronto to try her luck in the acting, dancing, and restaurant-waiting world. She was on her own for the first time, experiencing the thrill of a new school and the city without parents. She was also falling in love for the first time. In those first months, my friend seemed more content than she had ever been.

It was a painful awakening when Walkem’s co-worker told her to get tested for HIV. Neither of us wanted to believe she could be at risk. To be safe, she went to get tested. A family friend who is very active in the HIV non-profit community went with her to get the devastating results. At 19, she was HIV-positive.

The news confounded everyone who knew her. The relationship between my friend and Walkem ended with the news that they were both HIV-positive. This past summer, a chance encounter between my friend and Walkem’s new girlfriend led them to contact the police.

When police gained access to his public health records, they determined Walkem had tested HIV-positive and had been informed of his status a year before he met my friend. Police immediately charged Walkem with aggravated assault.

The criminalization question

In order to understand what kind of protection the law offers people like my friend, I spoke with the University of British Columbia’s Dean of Law, Mary Anne Bobinski.

Bobinski told me that in the precedent-setting case of Crown vs. Cuerrier, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that people with HIV who fail to disclose their status before engaging in unprotected intercourse can be convicted of aggravated assault.

“The central question in the Cuerrier case was: Is it better to place the responsibility on individuals to protect themselves, or should criminal law be used?” said Bobinski. The judges in that case decided that there was a “significant risk of serious harm” and therefore the law should intervene.

The failure to disclose was characterised as fraud, and therefore consent for intercourse was deemed legally invalid. Furthermore, because the HIV virus causes bodily harm, the act was determined to be aggravated assault.

At the time of the Supreme Court’s ruling, there arose considerable controversy over what was seen as the criminalization of HIV.

“There has been debate about whether or not criminalization makes sense; some groups thought that it may discourage people from getting tested,” Bobinski said.

AIDS activists argued that criminalizing HIV infection would undermine HIV prevention and make people reluctant to get tested. Many feared high profile cases would also reinforce strong stigmas against people living with HIV by portraying them as criminals.

A 2002 paper from the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS questioned the utility and wisdom of criminalization. “In (using criminal law for) deterring a person who knows he or she is HIV-positive from engaging in risky behaviours without disclosure, policy-makers must consider the impact that such prosecutions may have on people’s willingness to get tested in the first place...a key element of effective HIV prevention strategies,” the paper states.

The UN report suggests that public health laws, including those compelling people with HIV to disclose their status to partners, ordering them not to have sex, or forcing medical treatment, are strong enough measures to combat acts like those alleged in Walkem’s case. Such legislation could be backed up with fines, but the report maintains that HIV transmission should not be criminalized.

After Crown v. Cuerrier, public health offices all over Canada began to warn their patients of the potential criminal charges for non-disclosure. Public health counsels all patients living with HIV on their “responsibilities” to stop the spread of the disease. Public health also engages in “contact tracing” or partner notification. The public health official will ask the patient to contact people with whom they have had sex or shared intravenous drugs. If the patient is reluctant, the official is obliged to do so.

In a September 1 interview with the Toronto Star, the Director of Public Health for the city of Toronto, Rita Shahin, said: “Most people who are infected behave responsibly.”

However, there are at least ten previous Canadian cases of people with HIV knowingly withholding information or misinforming their partners in order to have unprotected sex.

The Supreme Court of Canada chose criminal prosecution as a means to deter possible public health offenders, punish those who knowingly spread HIV, and protect innocent people from infection.

Because of my first-hand knowledge, I have been convinced that public health counselling alone does not always effectively encourage disclosure.

The Toronto Star recently interviewed another former girlfriend of Walkem’s. Jessica Whitbread told them she had just parted ways with Walkem, in December 2001, when he told her that he was HIV-positive. She too went through the ordeal of testing positive for HIV.

Seven months later, Walkem met my friend for the first time.

The new face of HIV/AIDS

Today, my friend attends university and gives AIDS awareness talks and workshops to youth. She wants to get the message out to young women that they are at risk of HIV infection. Contrary to popular belief, my friend, and Whitbread as well, are emblematic of the new face of HIV/AIDS. Young women are the fastest growing HIV risk group, but perceptions are slow to change.

“Forget stereotypes,” my friend said. “I was in a trusting, monogamous relationship. HIV can happen to anyone.”

Even with AIDS in the news almost daily, recent studies have shown that people under 24 are the most ignorant of the risks of HIV. “People talk about condom fatigue and people are tired of those messages,” said Shahin. The perception that “miracle” drugs have turned HIV into a chronic disease also may reinforce the misconception that HIV is not as dangerous as it once was.

Walkem now awaits trial for his alleged crime in the strict custody of his family. Whitbread recently participated in the Toronto AIDS walk, with 87 of her closest supporters and friends.

For my friend, the news of her infection helped her decide to get her studies started. She is now a full-time modern dance student. Touched by a horrendous betrayal and living through the fear of illness, her courage, drive, and passion are an inspiration to all those who know her. “It really put life into perspective for me,” she told me. “While at first I felt sorry for myself, it has actually made me incredibly motivated.”

http://www.mcgilldaily.com/view.php?aid=3126



Let me repeat this because I think this is the main reason he was convicted,....


When police gained access to his public health records, they determined Walkem had tested HIV-positive and had been informed of his status a year before he met my friend. Police immediately charged Walkem with aggravated assault.


In my opinion,...he should have gotten MORE jail time,.....and have been charged with murder,....as should anyone who does this sort of thing
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Posted: 6/24/2009 6:39:40 PM

And also not a very good excuse given that health authorities are required to go into the most minute details about sex when they give you the news that you are HIV positive. And just by the way ... even if they had not done that, there is still no excuse for him not to use a condom.


true, they are "supposed" to do that, yes. and there is no excuse that any of us would possibly understand, because we weren't in his shoes. and by that i'm not saying he might've came up with one that was acceptable... i'm saying that he may have came up with one that was acceptable to him, at that time. considering his state of mind after being diagnosed was clearly unstable, what he needed was emotional help.


So because she might have (in your opinion) questionable social behavior, that means she deserves to be infected with HIV? Her life has no value because she is 18 "in a bar picking up random guys"?


not at all. this was just one of the points that the crown kept repeating over, and over, and over. that he was in a bar picking up 18year olds, and knowing the two individuals invovled i know that this was definitely not the case at all, considering she picked him up. you're right, it has no real significance if we're just discussing the rights and wrongs of hiv and transmission. but this is a thread about the case in general, or so, at least i thought it was.


Again, because she may or may not have (in your opinion) questionable social behavior, that means she deserves to be infected with HIV?


again, no. this was another situation where i was extremely annoyed while listening during the court proceedings and reading the media reports. it was completely one-sided. and i guess if you're looking in from the outside, that sounds terrible. but if you know the individuals involved, if they are friends, and the facts are being picked at random and twisted into something else, it can get quite frustrating. yes, this is small and insignificant when looking at the big picture, but then again, it kinda isn't.


So, Vincent is generally not a "heinous" person ... just when it comes to "getting off" and not telling his sexual partners about his incurable disease? Gee ... how very moral of him.


no, he is a decent person who did a heinous act. if a person lives a good life, is, for the most part, an honest and caring person. who makes some terrible decisions that wind hurting innocent people, should that person be judged only by those decisions? or should they be punished for those mistakes and then forgiven? yes, he lied, he lied for a long time and a girl got hurt, hurt for most likely the rest of her life. but that doesn't change the fact that he is a good person.


How did they lie? The only lie they could have possible told that would have hurt Vincent would be if she had said that he has HIV and he really didn't. But that's not the case ... eh?


as i said before. they bent truths at every corner, way too many too mention them all in fact. some examples would be the fact they pegged him as a predator, that there may have been many women, no, there were TWO. other girls that came forth were women he had been in relationships with before he was aware of his status. i know because i was one of them, and i know most of the other girls.

and the second girl who tried to claim that they "may have had" unprotected sex numerous times, later said in court that it may have only been once or twice, and she wasn't sure if a condom was used because she was too drunk. when Vincent had been saying this the entire time. yet the media just printed the original statement... not the factual one. again, these are minor details that i just found really irritating.
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And exactly when did he get honest about it? Before or AFTER his little deed(s) was(were) exposed?

yes, when he was confronted by the girl he came forth about his illness. look, i'm not arguing that what he did wasn't stupid, selfish, wrong and terrible. i just think that the facts were there, out on the table, there was no reason for any of the other crap. he lied to his girlfriend and exposed her to hiv, those were the facts and he admitted his guilt. personally i think he was relieved it was over, the lies, the hiding, everything was talking a huge toll on him. i think he got caught up in something he never really had control of... not emotionally anyway.


A man who goes around exposing others to HIV with no regard to others is NOT merely a "good person" who made a really stupid, terrible mistake.

personally i think you've been spoon fed by the media for too long. not everything is in black and white, Cotter. good people make mistakes... some are really terrible mistakes. and some mistakes aren't as simple as forgetting to tell your gf you have a serious, possibly life-threatening illness. obviously there was much more going on that we'll probably never understand... or perhaps most are just too lazy to bother.


He is a thoughtless, selfish person who knew exactly what he was doing. It was calculated to say the least. If he had not given it any thought at all and was really "stupid", he would not have thought about NOT ejaculating ... he wouldn't have given it any thought at all. You give him way toooooooo much credit.

i agree, in this specific instance he made some "thoughtless" and "selfish" choices. i have never disagreed with that. "knew exactly what he was doing"? well, unless we can actually climb inside his mind and see what was going on i think its a little presumptuous for anyone to say that, especially if you have never met him. i have known him for many years, i think i'm giving him just the right amount of credit.
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