| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/25/2007 9:54:58 PM | "I wish I could ride a horse down mainstreet while wearing rubber boots and playing a trumpet...ahhh those were the good ole days...."
Those days are still here! At least anywhere I have ever lived...as long as you aren't drinking while you do it....I have a recieved a written warning from the RCMP about that one! OPPS!
I agree with so many of the points already raised...
-Death penality when it can be proven without a shadow of doubt (the justice systen has been known to make the odd mistake)
-Minors and animal abusers should be dealt with more harshly...that is how so many more serious crimes begin.
-less privilidges while incarcerated for these people that are found guilty
-There are an amazing amount of subsidy programs in Alberta, so I have to agree with the limiting of welfare and EIEIO payments (BTW if you are found guilty of cheating the EI system, you have to repay any benifits recieved and not eligiable to recieve benifits in the future)
-The graduated winter/summer liscence is an interesting concept. However....people who drive70K on 22X on a clear morning, and slow down to 40k when there is an on coming vehicle, they should be charged with something nasty and have their privledges revoked...they are an endangerment to themselves and everybody else on the road...if they are that scared, stay home!
That is my rant!
PS....had a behavioral biology prof once say that you should have to successful train a chicken before you attempt to raise a child...maybe that should be one of the tests for the liscence! LOL | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/25/2007 10:14:49 PM | | Tell people like David Milgard that the death penilty should be there or enforced by a lynch mob... btw... he isnt the only one that has been proven innocent after having been "proven" guilty... | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/25/2007 10:25:06 PM | The laws in this country should be changed period when dealing with peds or murderers.
We are being laughed at by other countries because of our lack laws that are tender to the offenders but treat the victims and their families like the criminals - putting them through eternal hell.
Change the young offenders act. You are young enough to commit the crime - you can do the time (even though the sentances for adults are a joke as well).
Smoking bylaws - the establishments should choose on their own - if they want to allow smoking or non-smoking - and the smokers and non-smokers then could choose if they want to go into a place or not. If someone is so freaked out about not wanting to get second hand smoke - they can toddle over to the next club where there is no smoking allowed.
Drunk driving - again too many slaps on the wrists. YOu kill someone when drinking and driving - your license is taken away for good. And if you get caught driving a car afterwards, your ass is thrown in jail.
Death penalty should be reinstated (and with enough evidence, including DNA and its a 100% case - then kill the **stard - examples - bernardo - and the pig farmer). It was tragic about david millgard - but that was back when we didn't have the tools we have now. Yes I know he wasn't the only one, but now again with the technologies and advancements we have - again in bernardos case - when someone is found guilty with no chance or evidence of being innocent - then he should be given the eternal sleep.
I have to agree with the licenses about having kids. So many kids are growing up so fked up its ridiculous. Most of these thugs on the streets - do their parents know or even care where they hell they are? And its so sad that kids are having kids, but some adults shouldn't be having them either.
more stricter consessions on welfare. I know someone who works at welfare, and she sees everyday the abuse of the system (shes on the lower rung of the ladder), while those who truly do need it fall through the cracks. And she says that its like the department has a blind eye to alot of these people. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/25/2007 11:50:24 PM | I agree with VENUSFLYTRAP, about eye for an eye...
Last summer, a group of punks vandalized my car so I went after them. I don't know where I got the guts. I chased them down wiht my car, caught up to them, jumped out with my club and grabbed one of them. Scaring the sh*t out of them. Told the guy to clean up whatever he car or I'll bash his head in. A few of them cleaned up what they can and I spray painted fagot on the one i grabbed. never had a problem with them again. Surprised...lol
There are alot of stupid laws that they have (you should check someday..did you know it's against the law to practice witchcraft on Halloween?)
I agree with the parent license thing. There's alot of parents who should't have kids, and I"m not talking about teenagers. How many kids do you see running around at 3 in the morning? I see quite a few in Winnipeg.
When it comes to death, automatic death sentence. Any kind of rape, molestated, or sexual abuse, life in prison, heavy dute prison so the other imates could rape the perverts. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 12:24:13 AM | The age of consent for sex is 14 years old. That must change. It is legal for 40 year olds to have sex with 14 year olds.
The young offenders act permits youth to commit crimes and have sealed records. That must change. The guy handling all of your sensitive credit info may have a young offender record for theft and fraud, but no one would know.
When people are on social assistance, all of their medical procedures are covered. That must change. A woman can have a reversal on a tubal ligation paid for by the government, because it is a medical procedure.
Dangerous offender status should be easier to assign. That must change. It is not acceptable that a low recidivism rate and the infringement on an offender's human rights permit violent criminals to have second and even more chances.
Statutory release is a load of poopoo. That must change. Being released after serving 2/3 of one's prison sentence hardly fulfills the sentence of doing the time for doing the crime and it is a load that provincial sentences can be longer than federal sentences because of this.
OMG, I could go on... | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 12:27:26 AM | That smokers get the same treatments as offered to illegal drug users (Smoking aids not recognized in health benefit plans!!)
hmm mmm, That is seriously scary, you opt to turn the smoking minority, say 20% of law abiding peoples into recognized criminals, for being addicted to a drug that was legally promoted for the last 200 years? And feel that they should face the same penalties as those who support prostituion, guns and violence by buying illegal drugs such as crack, heroine, methapetamines, etc ?
And to top it off, for those who want to quit, are trying to quit, you feel they should suffer the most by cutting any available nicotine aids (which have proven to double the cessation rate of smoking) to them?...
All I can say is I would definately vote " NO " on that law, LOL
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 1:35:49 AM | quote
The age of consent for sex is 14 years old. That must change. It is legal for 40 year olds to have sex with 14 year olds.
I so agree with that one - If I ever catch that 34 year old that was screwing my 15 year old niece - he is going to wear his balls for a necktie. 14 years is pedofile range in some states, where they are called predetors, and can be jailed for having sex with someone that young. My god, no wonder kids views on sex are all screwed up - and so many youngins are having babies of their own - when our own society says its okay to do an adult act when you are so young. And no wonder we are an online haven for sexual deviants who get their kicks out of stalking and having sex with kids. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 2:05:12 AM | 1) If the law fails to provide justice, the victim or their family has the right to vigilanteism.
2) The Young Offenders' Act is changed such that rather than kids' names not being revealed, they are published in a weekly press release, along with their addresses, email, and phone numbers.
3) Drug dealers who sell to minors are castrated.
4) Rapists (including date rapists), and pedophiles receive the same treatment as #3.
5) Duelling to settle a private dispute is not only permitted, but encouraged, provided the duel uses weapons (or bare hands) requiring some form of skill, (ie. Martial arts, fencing, pistols at dawn, jousting, etc.) and are not just dirty, bloody brawls. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 5:49:10 AM | Ok sorry but first of all I DO NOT believe we should bring back the death sentence. It is really just not worth it! Just in case they’re innocent, if they’re gonna spend they’re life rotting in prison anyway… better safe than sorry.
Ok so rapists and pedophiles, boooo in prison forever!!!
Me thinks we shud also legalize pot, I personally don’t do it, but people are getting hurt by it being illegal when it really isn’t hurting anyone. The only reason they kept it illegal this long was cause they said it was a gateway drug and it sounds like pitiful excuse to me.
More harsher penalties for animal abusers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 6:29:05 AM | | in a sense,i agree with venus..except different.....if you kill someone with a hammer...you should be killed with a hammer,if you strangle,you should be strangled,maybe to feel the pail of what they put someone else through. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 8:35:07 AM | The saddest part of this thread is how the majority of you are all for more laws! Doesn't the government have ENOUGH DAMN intervention into our lives now? You folks want to live in a law-shackled world... Maybe there should be a law against people like yourselves conceiving ways of jeopardizing the remaining freedoms we have left.
The government would never penalize mothers who have more kids while on welfare. Financially, the government wins in the long run.
Permanently lose your license and car over an impairment "charge"? You gotta be kidding me. Take a good hard look into the technical aspects of impairment testing by the police and you will see why your idea is foolish. I have researched this by the way. Queenrhiannon brought up a good point though, if someone is injured due to another's impaired driving then definitely look at throwing the book at them.
Hand guns locked up and ONLY used at a firing range? I guess you haven't experienced scumbags attempt to break into your house while you were home. That might change your mind.
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 8:45:44 AM | word. i would never want to live somewhere with a rampant death penalty and harsh prison sentences. look how well that's working out in the states. more or tougher laws don't prevent crime.
are laws about punishment or about crime prevention? personally i would rather see society and the government take care of the social ills that are related to property crime, drug addiction and drug related crime. in the long run we would be better off.
i would however like to see laws around white collar crime actually being enforced one of these days. despite how they are not immediately violent or cause damage, these crimes ruin peoples lives (eg enron). | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 8:54:14 AM | @D6
"That smokers get the same treatments as offered to illegal drug users (Smoking aids not recognized in health benefit plans!!)"
"And feel that they should face the same penalties as those who support prostituion, guns and violence by buying illegal drugs such as crack, heroine, methapetamines, etc ?"
I think you misunderstood what I meant...... What I meant was that the crack-heads, prositutes etc. get benifits from the system.... smokers DO NOT. If a hooker wants to stop, or a meth-head wants to quit, there are resources out there (that our tax dollars pay for), to assist them in bettering their lives...
If a smoker wants to quit......................... they are are their OWN, with NO help whatsoever. I purchased the $100 Zyban stop smoking treatement program, only to discover that the health benefits plan will NOT reimburse any quit smoking aids. How unfair is THAT! But if I was addicted to heroin.... They'd literally THROW money at me to help me stop...
Ridiculous. I abide by the laws governed, but am offered NO assistance in the legal addiction that I have. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 10:21:26 AM | | i agree with cyanide2k7 being one who has lived through a fair amount of violence in my younger years I think if you kill someone you should be put to death the same way you killed them. yes i know people do not agree with this which is fine your entitled to your opinion and yes i know there is always the possibility for someone to be wrongly accused but if they have found the correct person then I think that they should do unto him what they did to someone else. Because honestly prision isnt anything really really bad.. or at least from what I have learned about the drumheller institution anyway.. (no I am not the troubled one) lol I'd rather not post my life story here for all to know. but I can say this family violence never ends even if someone dies there is always the thoughts that haunt you. Certain things that trigger memories and all that. Its a hard thing to overcome.. just my two cents | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 11:12:41 AM | I think young offenders should be dealt with more harshly, or else their parents pay the consequences of their actions. Too many kids get away with horrible things or get off too lightly. If they are going to do adult crimes then they should pay adult penalties. Parents are responsible for their kids until they're 18 so should be held responsible. Maybe more parents would pay attention to what their kids are doing. I am not saying all parents aren't paying attention to their kids but some houseplants out there get more attention.
Sen - "^^^ Damn....does it mean tons of bull riders and such are going to Jail.....lol"
Rodeo animals are very well looked after. They have eight seconds of work to do - much less than a lot of feedlot and community pasture horses and good rodeo stock is valuable.
The media is for entertainment, not for information - especially where rodeo is concerned. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 11:13:47 AM | Nemo... Yes I've heard that (now that it's too late)... But Zyban is an antidepressant as well!
Bottom line?? Why on earth would it not be covered?? Smoking is a nasty habit (and judging by the limitations of where one can smoke, I think the majority agrees smoking is a HUGE social issue). You'd think they would PROMOTE those items which support quitting
But........... No......... they don't. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 3:12:45 PM | 1. Pot should be legal to smoke/carry on your person/purchase
2. Capital Punishment for "serious" offenses (eg. crime on children, murder, etc)
3. A life sentence should be for the rest of their life, not 20 years.
4. SOME sort of E.I. policy for self-employed women, currently if you're self-employed and have a baby you do NOT get compensated.
5. The bar's should be able to serve alcohol at ANY time of the day or night.
Obviously this is just my humble opinion.  | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 3:40:30 PM | FLAT TAX, nationwide.
Introduce a plan to phase out cattle farming. It's extremely destructive to the environment.
Free basic food and housing for everybody. No exceptions. See what happens when people aren't slaves to a paycheque. Watch them blossom.
Throw away the 9-5 40 hour work week. Eliminate rush hour and 1/2 of all accidents. Why must every office have hours that coincide with the stock market?
Free stop-smoking aids to anybody who wants them. $30 for a week's worth of nicotine patches?
Turn jails into training facilities instead of storage facilities for those that don't fit well into society. See what happens when a convict is released with a journeyman's ticket in welding. Think he'll still want to steal cars? Not likely. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 4:18:34 PM | Wanting to respond to Trevor, but I never know if he is serious or not, so I won't on this one. LOL
Lots of really great ideas that you all have! 
I still want tougher laws for people who abuse animals!!  | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 4:30:52 PM | ^^Why would you possibly think I'm kidding? These forums aren't a joke. They're very serious and we shouldn't treat them as playthings.
Ok, seriously, I'm serious. I think my ideas are eventually going to find their way into the system, but probably not anytime soon. Respond away. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 5:07:39 PM | Trevor has some good ideas
And some bad ones.
Free food and housing? Who will build it? Who will produce and package? Will you pay them? If not, how hard will they work? Communism was good in theory. The trouble is, without personal gain, there's no incentive for personal effort. Party members benefit, Politburo benefits. The general populace had guaranteed basics and little reward for excellence. This led to an inefficient unproductive system where most of the population was left wanting for bread and toilet paper. If you think there are issues with people abusing welfare or EI NOW, imagine the result when homes and food are free! I didn't pay for it. They'll just give me another. Who cares if there's a hole in the wall? Who cares if I weigh 800 pounds? Oops - had a wild party, house burnt down, can you give me another?
The work week will coincide with the demands or it simply won't work. France had a 4 day work week. The recently recently changed back to 5 because 4 simply wasn't adequate. In a world of multinational companies and international business, there are a lot of things which demand immediate response to events as much as 12 time zones away. If we're not living in agrarian communities of a few hundred people, it's just not feasible. That doesn't mean everyone has to be on the same schedule - staggered hours can spread the rush over a larger time frame and still leave people in key positions and times. Ultimately, many jobs will not require ANY appreciable commuting, and decentralized industrial and office areas will reduce centralized congestion.
I'm of mixed feelings on subsidized stop-smoking aids. For the INDIVIDUAL, it's cheaper. But to take money FROM taxes in order to REDUCE a long-term tax source AND gradually [?] eliminate many sources of income, is quite unlikely. Add to that the fact that smoking is both legal AND a personal choice. I'm a non-smoker, which will never change, and I'm hardly militant about it. However, I think the solution is gradual elimination of choices until smoking is no longer an option. Maybe not illegal, but at least not a major addiction and not a major source of employment and income HERE. The idea of people choosing whether to go to a smoking or non-smoking venue is ridiculous. It doesn't work, period. The majority are non-smokers, yet VERY few venues choose to be non-smoking. The reason is, smokers light up wherever they like, and non-smokers tolerate it in order to be "where the action is". In that environment, it is against a business' best interests to be non-smoking. Employers are a different matter - smokers will be there whether they like it or not. In this case, majority non-smokers have the leverage.
I mostly agree with jails as training [and reform] facilities. As I understand it, they ARE. Of course, Human Rights laws being what they are, you can't FORCE anyone to learn in prison. Now...if they actually earned a fraction of the going rate for the field for work done under lock and key - I imagine the interest in learning and reform would grow enormously!
Cattle farming - again a mixed perspective. Perhaps it could be done better, but entire removal? No. Massive herds of herbivores are natural, and have been for hundreds of millions of years. Massive herds of herbivores on beds of clay which used to be rainforest is NOT natural, and a definite environmental issue. So is confinement to small regions where land is overgrazed, shorelines are trampled, water is polluted, etc. Elimination isn't the key - change is, and much of that change lies in other nations, not so much in North America. The landscape here has endured massive herds of Pachyrhinosaurus, Centrosaurus, Triceratops, Maiasaura, caribou, mammoths, camels, llamas, zebras, horses, rhinos, pronghorns, deer, bison...Maybe fewer fences and a return to migratory ranching?
Nope, not adding laws, but the topic was "changed here in Canada", so I'm right on target.
vvv have you started backtracking my previous posts? They've been short and humorous lately, but that's NOT the norm! People have a tendency to post their thoughts and opinions, but they rarely consider additional factors or consequences. That's when I speak up!vvv | |
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Posted: 1/26/2007 7:25:06 PM | Free food and housing? Who will build it? Who will produce and package? Will you pay them? If not, how hard will they work? Communism was good in theory. The trouble is, without personal gain, there's no incentive for personal effort.
You've nailed the reason why communism doesn't work. You also imply that humans will do only the minimum required to survive. I don't believe this is true. I'm just saying that the basics should be supplied for free. The amount of resources required to supply flour, apples, milk and tofu to the population is minimal. If you want shrimp and chocolate, you'll have to put in that extra effort to be able to afford it. If people weren't forced to numb their minds at minimum wage jobs, they could learn whatever they want, with no pressure. Our society would be much better off. I could be wrong. It could be a devestating experiment, which results in an unmanageable welfare state. Maybe I have more faith in humans than you, frogEyes.
The work week will coincide with the demands or it simply won't work.
What baffles me is having shopping malls open during the business day with more staff than customers. It seems utterly pointless. Shut down the stores during the work day. Open them up at 6:00pm and close them at midnight. Why must I take a day off work to get a passport? Why can't I do my banking before work? After work? Why do I have to sacrifice part of my work day to make the 3:00pm closing time that most banks seem to practice? (yes, SOME banks have SOMEWHAT better hours, but not nearly sufficient, IMO)
As far as subsidizing smoking cessation aids, the money spent would be a fraction of money saved. That might not be entirely true, though. I suspect that much more money is taken in from cigarette sales than is actually spent treating smoking related illnesses.
Excellent point about removing fences to restore grazing areas to other herbivores. That's one of my biggest beefs about the cattle industry. It prevents the movement of other species. (Plus I took a barbed wire across the throat when I was 12 years old on a snowmobile)
Holy novel, Frogman. (and always enjoyable to read) | |
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