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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 7:40:18 PM | You're quite right about your specific choices of work hours. No disagreement here. This is a business matter. When they figure out that it costs less and profits more to change the balance of their shopping and labor hours, AND can find the manpower, it will change. Simple as that. What business doesn't want better margins?
Communism had 70 years in just one country to adequately demonstrate that people make no special effort unless there's special reward. Why would they? It's not even a good idea biologicaly - why make more effort than needed? Not everyone takes advantage of "the system", but when the system promotes it, more will do it. There's no sense in busting your ass if the result is the same. Certainly increased rewards could reap increased benefits, but if that were enough, why would anyone choose EI or welfare over employment? There's no shortage of people willing to trash a house NOW, why would that improve if they had no financial obligation? It won't. There's a reason I have little *positive* faith in human nature. It's because, by and large, humans have a negative nature. Individuals have merit, but the species is short-sighted and selfish. That means that individuals, on average, are too. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 7:47:27 PM | I agree with harsher penalties on people who abuse animals. - but then again we live in a society where sick perverts who destroy kids lives get a slap on the wrist...
case in point
that Ewanchuk guy - who commited three sexual offences to a 7 year old girl, has had the sexual offender taken off the plate - and is put long term offender - but get this - because he has served 2 years in remand, they were saying on the news that will cut whatever jail time he will get dramatically - meaning - a few months?
And also on the news tonight - a warning about another offender put on the streets after a short time, they said that they were not told his offences by police, but it has to do with girls under 14 - gee wonder what that was. They warned he is a high risk to reoffend - so what the hell is he doing back on the streets?
Before any other laws are taken care of - this god damn government better do something about this bs system they call justice here. Its not safe to be a kid anymore (or a woman for that matter).
Harper is working on stricter sentances, etc - but will he have enough time in office to do it - something the liberals and the previous conservative party under Mulrooney failed to do?
And again, captial punishment - if its a solid case backed up by witnesses, dna, and other solid evidence. And these sick perverts - not this bs of 3 month sentances, but 25 years - thats a lot less of a sentance than they put the victims through. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 7:55:16 PM | I have to put my two cents worth in on the cattle industry.....
I have been involved in the livestock industry for about 20 years now. I have taken alot of flack over the years because of it. I have honed my standard response to "People have chosen to live in apartments, we have had to devise ways to house cattle the same way in some instances."
I had the great fortune a few years back ( yes, in large cattle feedlot) of working with an old cowboy (yes, a real one) who claimed he was trying to get a law passed to fence in the cities and free range the province...I offered to help start pounding fence posts! | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 7:58:30 PM | sadly trevor, as much as i wish that society could pull off such a thing as you suggest, i just cant see it. the society we live in today is one of selfish-ness and greed. in order to put such a plan in place would require a militant regime to lay the ground-work to even get it rolling. the latest generation has been dubbed the "Me" generation for a reason. the damage that has been done to the work-ethics of our fore-fathers alone, is staggering.
a law that requires change.......
the labor law that states you have to enroll a full-time employee into drug rehab prior to being able to terminate them. so, if billy bob is a habitual crack user, and gets into an accident in a company vehicle, i have to put his ass through rehab, and keep his job for him. sorry, but to me, that is all wrong. and some people dont seem to understand why my company has pre-employment drug screening..........i know i may get roasted on this one, but we were fined by the BC government for terminating an employee we caught using drugs on one of our sites. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 8:25:52 PM | Duh! You don't fire dummies for using drugs, you say you fired them because they were stealing or habitually late or A.W.O.L.... but I digress, I suppose you've learned that lesson, eh?
And for the guy who was using drugs while on duty? Fire him for stealing company time. Obviously he/she wasn't engaged in appropriate work activities if they were warming up the spoon... | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 8:33:24 PM | | Matt.......i wish it was as easy as you say. in BC the laws are built for the employee, not for the employer. so, billy bob complained that we wrongfully terminated him. we orginally terminated him for "other" reasons, and he, having a labor lawyer as a GF, claimed it was because he was a drug abuser, and had to be put through the system. best part was that he provided his own failed drug test to prove he was a user. needless to say, we gave him "modified" duty until he failed his monthly drug screen........at which point, you can say bye bye......... | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 10:06:58 PM | Well, Im going to input my 5 cents!
1) DEATH PENALTY: I can think of 3 and a fourth on his way for this "tax" savings. Paul Bernardo, Clifford Olson, Karla Holmoka and soon to be, Robert Picton. Honorable mentions are those detestible men that raped and murdered that 13 year old girl, Nina Courtepatte, on a Golf Course, here in Edmonton.(Im sure there are many more in every part of this country)
2) LABOR SHORTAGE HERE IN ALBERTA: Raid every labor hall in this country.Every tradesman who is not on a disability, short or long term, loses their EI in 2 weeks and has to report to their union hall as available. If the jobs are here in Alberta, specially in Ft. Mac, there are several well kept, and available "camps", equipped with every possible creature comfort.
Its either that, or if the Americans have their way, they will Import foreign workers to build these plants.(BTW, 4 more massive plants were announced this week, with the current plants going to12.5 Billion in major expanses).
3) EI : Im laughing mt buttocks off. Try and get EI here in Alberta! Its nearly impossible!For every dollar thats spent on EI in this province, another 8 (and rising) is sent Ottawa's way.
4) INFRASTRUCTURE : This country needs to wake up and join the 21st century, if we want to be a competitive free market force. Im sure the majority of us have travelled south of the 49th and are witness to a very efficient road system. Whys that? The reason is their federal gov't realizes that without it, their economy becomes sluggish and costs money. I propose a tax system modeled on the US system. For every federal tax dollar that is collected in each state, approx .83 cents gets sent back those states for road infrastructure procurement. The .17 cent differential goes to administration costs.As for our Country,for every dollar thats collected in federal taxes, approx. .13 cents gets back to the provinces. The rest goes to general revenue. Hence the deplorable conditions of the majority of roads in our country.
5) FREE MARKET : I know I'm going to get some flak on this one, for sure! I believe in this system, whole-heartadly. Im also a "closet" Liberal when it comes to the environment(Brought up on David Suzuki, what the heck do you expect!!) womens rights and the right of the down-trodden. What I mean by that is people MAKING an effort. Completely against ANYONE that abuses my tax MONEY by going the way of welfare because they have too many kids. Where are the fathers? Why should I have to pay for their house and food? Go after the sperm donors and garnish their wages!!
Well, theres my rant and my 5 cents. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 10:12:38 PM | I'm not really going to contribute anything positive to this.. just a personal wish list!
1. Clothing optional everywheres!
2. No speed limits! (obvious unskilled reckless driving should still be cracked down on)
3. Cops more leniant to motorcyclists, their equipment violations, and their antics
4. Uncensored radio
5. Can't think, toooo tired! | |
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rduke
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Joined: 2/3/2006
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/26/2007 11:48:28 PM | Pot and other soft drugs should be legalized.
Brothels should be legalized, not because I would use them of course but because it would get a lot of hookers off the streets and into a safer environment.
As for smokers getting health benefits, I don't agree with it. Smoking is a personal choice, the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for it.
I don't think there should be a death penalty. I'd rather see 10 murderers go free than one innocent person executed. Besides, in most cases it costs more to execute a person than to keep them in prison for the rest of thier life.
And I agree with ramptramp that clothing should be optional everywhere. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 12:08:13 AM | Communism had 70 years in just one country to adequately demonstrate that people make no special effort unless there's special reward. Why would they? It's not even a good idea biologicaly - why make more effort than needed? Not everyone takes advantage of "the system", but when the system promotes it, more will do it.
Ooooh, I almost ran past this discussion....
It's important to remember that the fact Communism - or more specifically, the planned economy, was a failure in the USSR had to do with a lot more than people not having incentive to work harder. The specific applications of government planning were themselves flawed and corrupt, which arguably could be seen as inevitable when the economy is run by a Communist oligarchy as the Soviet Union was for so many years.
When Stalin assumed power, his obsession with heavy industry and "collective" factory farming are what held back the Russian's internal economic health. Globally, they improved by leaps and bounds, becoming leaders in mining and industrial production. But Stalin used virtually all of the nation's production to export and supply the military, rather than benefit his people. That, combined with bad crop years (which the USSR had very little tolerance for, given their northern climate), left the millions of Soviet citizens starving for decades, even after Stalin. The classic question is whether Stalin's stupendous accomplishment of turning Russia into a world industrial power in such a short time - was worth all the lives he took. But that "power" was an illusion, because the crucial measure of the economy - the health and wealth of the masses - were in a shambles.
I'm a big believer in key elements of the individualist ideology - but the collectivist aspects of Marxism and Communism shouldn't just be dismissed. As much as the USSR proved that Communism was a failure, the US proved that Capitalism was an equal failure - arguably saved only by a second world war and its sheer size and world financial influence.
The Scandanavian countries, Sweden and Finland in particular, have proved for years that a balance between free enterprise and government intervention can provide citizens with an extremely high quality of life for the maximum number of citizens.
Interestingly, though, Sweden recently voted out its Democratic Socialist government after a ten year reign, and voted in a more right-leaning, conservative Prime Minister. The problem is, governments also need to operate these kinds of systems efficiently to avoid financial trouble - which I think CAN be accomplished.
I will argue to my grave that narrowly relying on "self-reliance" and "liberty" to run the world is a farce - because, as Frog argued, people's nature does not lend itself well to acting in the best interests of his fellow man, or his planet, when left alone without restriction, control, and some level of organized social welfare. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 2:58:11 AM | I'd rather see 10 murderers go free than one innocent person executed. Besides, in most cases it costs more to execute a person than to keep them in prison for the rest of thier life.
and would you like those 10 murderers living beside your loved ones?
Cost of Life Without Parole: Cases
Equivalent To Death Penalty Cases
1. $34,200/year (1) for 50 years (2), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$75,000 (4) for trial & appeals = $3.01 million
2. Same, except 3% (3) = $4.04 million
3. Same, except 4% (3) = $5.53 million
Cost of Death Penalty Cases
$60,000/year (1) for 6 years (5), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$1.5 million (4) for trial & appeals = $1.88 million
Same, except 3% (3) = $1.89 million
Same, except 4% (3) = $1.91 million
The most significant study conducted to evaluate the evidence of the "innocent executed" is the Bedau-Radelet Study ("Miscarriages of Justice in Potentially Capital Cases," 40, 1 Stanford Law Review, 11/87). The study concluded that 23 innocent persons had been executed since 1900. However, the study's methodology was so flawed that at least 12 of those cases had no evidence of innocence and substantial evidence of guilt. Bedau & Radelet, both opponents, "consistently presented incomplete and misleading accounts of the evidence." (Markman, Stephen J. & Cassell, Paul G., "Protecting the Innocent: A Response to the Bedau-Radelet Study" 41, 1 Stanford Law Review, 11/88). The remaining 11 cases represent 0.14% of the 7,800 executions which have taken place since 1900. And, there is, in fact, no proof that those 11 executed were innocent. In addition, the "innocents executed" group was extracted from a Bedau & Radelet imagined pool of 350 persons who were, supposedly, wrongly convicted of capital or "potentially" capital crimes. Not only were they at least 50% in error with their 23 "innocents executed" claim, but 211 of those 350 cases, or 60%, were not sentenced to death. Bedau and Radelet already knew that plea bargains, the juries, the evidence, the prosecutors, judicial review and/or the legal statutes had put these crimes in the "no capital punishment" category. Indeed, their claims of innocence, regarding the remaining 139 of those 350 cases, should be suspect, given this study’s poor level of accuracy. Calling their work misleading hardly does this "academic" study justice. Had a high school student presented such a report, where 50-60% of the material was either false or misleading, a grade of F would be a likely result.
We have improved our CSI methods since 1900. Again if its a solid case with witnesses, dna evidence, video evidence, and whatever else - then it should be carried out. Cost is not a factor here (I got this from an American site, because of course we don't have the dealth penalty here anymore - so we can't compare here) | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 3:21:19 AM | All it takes is one person to be killed by the death penalty ....who was to be later found out to be falsely arrested in the first place. This would be a bigger crime...and definitely a very poor reflection of a society that supports such a thing. This is why we can't have the death penalty...and we are much better off without it.
DNA evidence means nothing, apparently...(remember OJ Simpson trial?) | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 4:08:11 AM | | No everyone has the money to hire a lawyer like johnny cockrane.Yes, evidence does count - look at bernardo - this world would be a lot better off if he was wormfood. there is still a chance he can appeal - and he would be out - his whore should be dead ex wife is already out - whooping it up, while the victims families have to wake up everyday without their kids, remembering their lose, reliving the horror every single day - while she is living her life, with no restrictions. She can get remarried, have kids, get a career again - something her and ex-husband denied those girls. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 9:49:21 PM | You cannot guarantee 100% of the time that the right person is convicted.
Yes, you can some of the time. But legally, you cannot pick and choose which people you will execute based on "certainty".
The legal system of every major developed democracy is structured to err on the side of maximizing due process for people accused of crimes, and to ensure as much as possible that innocent people are not wrongfully convicted and punished. Our entire legal system is founded on principles such as the idea that there is no bigger injustice than convicting an innocent person. Angry reactionaries like to twist this basic legal fact into "caring more for the criminals than the victims", but those able to view it with a dispassionate lens see it for the necessary institution that it is.
Even the most remote possibility that the wrong person could be put to death makes capital punishment morally and legally unjustified.
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 10:15:35 PM | I whole heartedly agree with the above post. Very well put. It would seem that the tories in the crowd would prefer to leave with blood on their hands at all costs when the above post shows the flaws in the Conservative thinking.
There can be an unprecedented guilty verdict including DNA, a coerced confession, and a slew of eyewitnesses, but those are cases that must be relegated to life imprisonment for the sake of sparing the death penalty of those cases which are not nearly as conclusive. Also, take into account the possiblities of rehabilitation.
David Milgaard and Steven Truscott may agree. | |
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yugmde
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Joined: 1/15/2007
Msg: 68 | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 10:56:41 PM | AGain the david millgard thing was over 25 years ago - and there was really no substantial evidence that he did it anyway.
But again, as in the case of Bernardo - everything points to him - all the evidence was there, there were even video tapes of raping the girls, they found the evidence in their house of him cutting them up - etc - so he should be dead. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/27/2007 11:02:47 PM |
~ That smokers get the same treatments as offered to illegal drug users (Smoking aids not recognized in health benefit plans!!)
What kind of aids does a illegal drug user get ?? As far as I know they can only get rehab /councelling etc etc. ADDAC has stop smoking help as well which Ia m pretty sure is free. | |
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yugmde
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Joined: 1/15/2007
Msg: 71 | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 7:31:59 AM | - They should raise the legal age to 21 (drinking, smoking, gambling etc...)
- Raise the driving age to 18. I first got my learners at age 14 and that day I smashed into a parked car. I couldn't even imagine a 14 year old getting behind the wheel of a car now.
- Tougher laws in Canada... Bring back the death penalty. If you get caught stealing, cut off a finger. You rape someone, get your pee pee cut off. Also tougher sentences for animal abuse. It always pisses me off when I see a harmless animal get viciously abused and the idiot gets a slap on the wrist. They should also have tougher laws for minors. You see 13 year olds stealing cars and murdering people. The punishment that they have for these kids is a complete joke. If you do adult crimes, you should get treated like an adult in court, no matter what age. The parents should also be responsible too as they should have control of their children.
- They should also make it against the law to be using a cell phone while driving. Some areas in Canada have already enforced that law. They should have it in Alberta. There is no reason to talk and drive at the same time.
- One thing that they should bring in is parking laws. People that can't park between the lines in a parking lot should be fined and have their vehicle towed. I understand why they do not want to have their vehicle scratched, so they are ignorant and take up 2 spots, but that makes it harder for someone else to find a spot. Not only do they have handicap spaces in parking lots, but spaces for parents or expected mothers. Why don't they have a space for seniors? Why should a young, healthy woman with a child be allowed to park next to the door, while a senior have to park a mile away? I know some people would say that some seniors shouldn't be driving and I do agree to some point. They should have testing requirements and make it harder for older people to keep their license as their reflexes and eye sight fails, but not all seniors are that senile. Some are sharper than younger people. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 10:54:00 AM | 1. Basement suite bylaws...LOL with 1% vacancy in Calgary you think they'd figure this one out.
2. Kid license is not enforceable, but how about raising the age of consent from 14 to 18?
3. The PM should be like the US president: max of 3 terms then you're out. And of ocurse a triple E senate.
4. Reform prostitution laws. It's the oldest profession, and no civilization (Sumerians, Romans, Europeans, Asians, etc) has ever managed to squash it. I'd suggest reforming it to protect women (recall Robert Pickton) and then taxing the living hell out of it.
5. Get rid of bilingualism. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 1:57:21 PM | There was someone who mentioned aboot Alberta wanting to seperate. Theres reasons for this, some of them I agree with.
1) Abolish the useless senate, or make it the same as everything else, you GET VOTED in, not appointed.
2) Just recently, Sask, AB, and BC have passed Quebec in population, yet we have less than half the representatives of Quebec. Even Nova Scotia has more representatives. this goes back to when the Country was just in its infancy. Its got to change. Even Australia which is very close to our political set-up, has changed there system to accomodate the 21st century!
US...Max of 2 terms, 8years
Canada No limit. | |
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