| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 3:33:56 PM | For yugmde
There is http://alberta.quitnet.com/ for people who want to quit smoking.
To those who think there is all this help for drug addicts etc..There is just as much resorces for those who want to quit smoking.After all quitting is about will power and so is quitting crack, crystal meth etc etc. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 3:57:03 PM | Quitting is not just about willpower for junkies or smokers.... It's a physical addiction as well.
Smokers do not get the same benefits as drug users... Drug users have the option of living in a rehab center, free from any temptations... Smoker's do not have this option. Drug users also benefit from free prescription drugs in their effort to come clean (while in rehab).... Smoker's do not have this option either. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 4:03:39 PM | That's because the goverment is selling the poison. They're not interested in selling the cure. By that notion, one could surmise that if the government was the dealing the "horse," they may not be that enthusiastic about selling the treatment too...
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 4:09:43 PM | | maybe guys changing their names to ~princess matt~...... now that is just WRONG .... oh wait.. maybe if someone is driving in a bad way on the road u should be able to give them a warning nudge.. especially when u have a nice big 4x4 to cause alot of damage LOL | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 5:02:49 PM |
Quitting is not just about willpower for junkies or smokers.... It's a physical addiction as well.
Smokers do not get the same benefits as drug users... Drug users have the option of living in a rehab center, free from any temptations... Smoker's do not have this option. Drug users also benefit from free prescription drugs in their effort to come clean (while in rehab).... Smoker's do not have this option either.
I know its a physical addiction.WHen I quit I had head spins , vomitting etc .
When a few people who are in my circle of life went to quit there was no help , other then support groups. Of course there is treatment centers and stuff. But all in all if a person truly wants to quit then they will quit.
By the way I quit cold turkey and I was a horrid smoker..I even had to have one in the middle of the night to get the nicotine. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 5:33:25 PM | This is a little off-topic but I wanted to respond to an earlier poster:
AGain the david millgard thing was over 25 years ago - and there was really no substantial evidence that he did it anyway.
So maybe you can tell us why he did so many years in prison and came out a shell of himself...with his family broke from trying to get him out??
You seem to be very family-orientated..have seen a few posts about your family on here....from someone who knew that family well..and saw what that did to them...25 years ago?...some of us will never forget...and we vote too.
BTW: Millgard=Milgaard. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 6:58:55 PM | Excuse me for not spelling write - me dumbo blond (ease up)
I was trying to say - that the justice system back then didn't have the tools it has now. What happend to him and his family was horrible, and the people who built the case against him didn't have substantial evidence that they have now lets say against Bernardo (I am sure we have all seen the tv move about MILGAARD). Again, it was horrible, but that was over 25 years ago - but because of the idiots who built that case, are we supposed to let people like Karla Holmolka free? Are we supposed to let Clifford Olsen and Bernardo have a chance at parole? How about the families of their victims that they destroyed? YOu pointed out families - well how about theirs? | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 7:03:03 PM | Ask your friends the police and their friends the lawyers why Holmolka is free...
And don't stress yourself....Olsen and Bernardo will never walk free in this country again.
I'm done....will let this thread get back on topic now. | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/28/2007 7:14:27 PM | This should be moved to the events thread. Let's have a lynching. I mean it. Or maybe a guillotining flogging, stoning or a flambe at the steak [pun intended].
Justice must not simply be done, it must be SEEN to be done.
That may be part of the problem of capital punishment being "no deterrent". It's been quite a long time since capital punishment was a public event in the west, and the amount of evidence and liklihood of being caught has improved greatly since then. One innocent, even for only ten guilty is a lot less victims than those ten would add, given another chance. Oops. I've said this before. At least twice. I don't know how to suggest this as a new law, but it would make a popular event. We could even have two in one night - at different places! | |
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Posted: 1/28/2007 7:17:01 PM | The justice system does not use "tools" Queen...
The police use tools. Very good ones I might add, to my detriment.
Bottom line is that the death penalty has been proven ineffective as a deterrent. There's nothing I would like more than to see guilty parties get their come-uppance, but to resort to barbarism the same as these offenders makes us no better than them, and prevents any possiblity of rehabilitation/remuneration of any sort. Recidivists must be monitored, but, and to agree with your point of view, we are not nearly close to appropriately controlling parolees/sentence releases, etc.. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2007 2:52:20 PM | ^^^And the TV royalties would pay for the cost of housing the inmate!! It would be a win-win situation for everybody! The prison makes money. The viewers are happy. The advertisers are happy. The inmate gets some much-needed attention too! What a great idea. Maybe we could have a "text from your cell phone" or a "vote online" to choose which method of execution is used.
Or maybe start a reality TV show about it:
We could start with 128 death row convicts on the first week of programming and have them play Russian Roulette in pairs. By the 8th episode, the last inmate left gets set free, and gets a prize of a sports car and a new house, with a book-publishing deal. It'll make for great TV, don'cha think? | |
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| Name 5 laws you believe should be changed here in Canada
Posted: 1/29/2007 3:17:47 PM | 5 laws that should be changed.
kindda think of it there are quite a bit.
Raise the age for sex consent from 14 - 17?18?.
Charge the young offenders to adults.
Stop Pampering the prisons.... (follow guidelines from that sheriff in Arizona)
STOP CATERING TO THE MINORITIES! Don't like it? get the hell out! GO HOME!
Crack down on welfare.. Too many people are getting a free ride.
I know these might sound controversial to some. but when you are a taxpayer and see your money giving all these people free rides... UGH..
Most important:
Stop taxing the crap outta us!!! | |
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Posted: 1/29/2007 6:37:02 PM | Raise the age for sex consent from 14 - 17?18?.
I assume you mean sexual consent between said individual and someone of the age of majority. Otherwise there is no possible way you will be enforcing such a law...you think you are being overtaxed now...wait until you have to hire the "Sex Police"
Charge the young offenders to adults.
Do you seriously believe a knee-jerk reaction will solve a problem like this? How will throwing an adult charge at a young person already screwed up enough to commit a major felony and then plunging them into "con college" for an indeterminate period do any kind of good at all?
Stop Pampering the prisons.... (follow guidelines from that sheriff in Arizona)
I should show this to my sister who used to work as a psychologist in Corrections Canada...I am sure she would laugh, and sigh, and then be glad simplistic judgemental conservatives were not the only people making laws to deal with complex situations.
Tell you what, sunshine, if you think it's such a joyride, why not pull a few odd jobs and risk capture...if you think full time captivity is so soft yourself and see what it does to you.
STOP CATERING TO THE MINORITIES! Don't like it? get the hell out! GO HOME!
Catering...to...how rich. In what way is anyone being "catered" to? Hello? Archie Bunker is that you? There is a call for you on the "WHITE" courtesy phone...repeat the "WHITE" courtesy phone.
Crack down on welfare.. Too many people are getting a free ride.
I assume you have statistics to show such a pattern of abuse? What constitutes a free ride?
Stop taxing the crap outta us!!!
Well how bad are we taxed...Jerry West notes:
http://www.rabble.ca/columnists_full.shtml?x=49727
"Canada's Finance Minister, Jim Flaherty, has said that Canadians pay too much tax. He only has it partly right. Some Canadians pay too much tax and all Canadians pay the wrong kind of taxes. Taxation is not necessarily a bad thing, and when done right most of us benefit more than we pay.
Taxing those who accumulate excess wealth and putting that excess to work providing services such as security, healthcare, transportation, education and such to everyone for little or no extra charge is a great benefit to society. Putting the burden on those who are struggling to get by to start with while creating exemptions and benefits for those who are well off on the other hand is socially destructive.
For an example, one only need compare the healthcare available to the average Canadian and to the average person in the U.S. Most Americans would almost die to have the level of service that we have in our publicly supported system in Canada, all of the propaganda to the contrary aside. In fact many of them are dying because they do not have it.
One problem with the Conservative budget is that a piddling one percent reduction in the GST is featured. Here is an example of a wrong kind of tax. The GST and provincial sales taxes are regressive taxes that take from those who can ill afford to pay them as well as those who can. Rather than tamper with such bad taxes, real tax reform would eliminate them. Instead taxes should be raised from those who can afford them by increased income taxes in the upper brackets. "
Jerry West is the editor of The Record, an independent, progressive newspaper published every other Wednesday in Gold River, British Columbia. His columns regularly appear in rabble.ca.
I can propose at least one law.
1. Mandatory minimum testing in the following areas before being allowed to participate in online discussions:
a) IQ
b) Basic reasoning and logic (i.e. the dialectic)
c) Some knowledge of peripheral subject matter being discussed wouldn't hurt
d) Minimum knowledge of history, political science, human psychology.
That oughta at least raise the bar a touch and weed out a few of our less critical potential lawmakers. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2007 12:49:05 AM | LOL Alberta separation, god i could go on that for hours.(my opinion is yes) but the 5 laws to change are:
1) bring back death penalty when there is no doubt...bye bye clifford olsen and carla homolka
2)legalize prostitution- it isn't going away so may as well tax it, regulate it, and clean it up
3)Eliminate provincial transfer payments - quebec has taken enough of our hard earned money
4)no more gun registry - it is my right to protect my animals without feeling like a criminal(nope mine aren't registered)
5)reform the canadian parliment to reflect the change in the last 10 years | |
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Posted: 2/4/2007 2:51:18 AM | Wow, reading some of these responses sends a chill down my spine when I think of the many fascists who might live in my neighbourhood. Bring back the death penalty? Regulate human reproduction? Make the social safety net even more inaccessable? Stop pandering to minorities (because being dark is such a sweet ride)?
Sometimes when we see a problem in society, especially one where a reasonable workable solution isn't apparent, the gut instinct is that someone somewhere has to be bigger jerk to someone else than they are presently. "Shut that son of a b!tch down!" has a final and imperative ring to it that conjures up images of SWAT members rappelling from helicopters and bursting through windows. It was one of the tools Hitler used to attact followers. Much more appealing than, "Let's investigate the root causes and come up with a coherent strategy that addresses them."
Those of you want government contol of wombs should Google "Alberta Eugenics".
To answer the OPs question, here is my list of five:
1. Give the provinces consitutional authority over how some or all of the Senate is chosen. If Alberta wants theirs elected, fine. Ontario wants Ottawa to choose, fine. Saskatchewan holds a pie-eating contest, that's okay too.
2. Ganja: Legalize, control, regulate and tax the stuff. The government will work to create strains that bring the THC levels down.
3. Create a 1-800 addictions help hotline and stick the number prominently on every cigarette package, liquor bottle and VLT (and on MJ packs if they legalize it). Also must be displayed prominently in casinos.
4. Mandate an increase in funding for mental health care. Right now, if you're loony but not homicidal or suicidal, you're probably living on the street breaking into cars to feed your drug habit so that you can ignore your demons for a spell. That person should be getting help instead of bad advice from "the voices."
5. Prison reform that focuses on behaviour modification rather than punishment and warehousing. If the Hare Krishnas can convince someone to shave their head and wear a robe to sell flowers at an airport, we should be able to convince someone that robbing people is bad. What do the Krishnas know that we don't?
I guess we'll be seeing you guys at the big rally. Bring your jackboots. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2007 10:58:56 AM | "That's because the government is selling the poison. They're not interested in selling the cure. By that notion, one could surmise that if the government was the dealing the "horse," they may not be that enthusiastic about selling the treatment too..."
I've heard this side of the argument from a handful of people who smoke before and to me it just seems like another way to pass the buck. You don't hear overweight people blaming the government because they allow junk food to be purchased unregulated. We live in a free country and are pretty much free to make what ever choices we want. But when enough of us make a poor choice, sometimes the government has to step in and make some changes for the good of the whole nation. As for there not being the same support for quitting smoking and other drugs/addictions. Drugs such as crystal meth, coke, heroine all cause serious physical and emotional problems. I would imagine there aren't many people living on the street because they got addicted to smoking.
Besides, smoking is so passe. Caffine is the drug of choice these days. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2007 2:58:12 PM | - Immediate retest of all current drivers in canada with gross failure penalties of losing your license and not being able to purchase a vehicle or be in possession of one until your next retest 1 yr later. Penalties for all motor vehicle crimes increased dramatically for repeat offenders or serious motor vehicle crimes resulting in injury or death.
- All sex offenders be them pedophiles or rapists are lowjacked ( i believe its called ) with a gps location device for a period of 10 yrs after release, with any major violations (hanging around places for victims or exhibiting similar stalking patterns) immediately resulting in a life sentence without the chance of parole again.
- Complete overhaul of the justice system starting with the organized crime and gang laws in general.
- No one short of the military and Tactical Teams is allowed to possess a firearm of semi automatic or automatic variety. Every firearm must be locked up securely with a electronic comibination locker and borders tightened so imported firearms and parts can be detected and halted.
- Minors are subject to the same criminal justice proceedings as adults and can be tried as adults for serious crimes such as robbery, rape, murder, etc Because no offence kids at age 8 and over are aware of what they are doing is wrong. Emphasis being placed on rehabilitating in a seperate facility but if that doesnt work and we create repeat offenders then into the system with em. The parents as well can be subject to a charge in addition to the childs sentence as well as education so that they can learn their mistakes and not repeat them. Gross negligence by the parent will result in a more serious charge that can be half or more of the childs sentence. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2007 2:16:11 PM | 1. Capital Punishment for any vicious Murderer. (Love to see the first to die be the ones on trial in Edmonton now for raping and murdering the 13 year old girl)
2. Stiffen the penalties - greatly- for any act of violence (rape and general assault of ANY kind) for all age groups. ABOLISH the youth offenders act! (quit telling kids it's okay to beat, rape, rob, and kill .... as long as you're under 18!!)
3. Decriminalize marijuana & prostitution
4. Stiffen the penalties for Drunk Drivers ... really, what's a thousand dollar fine and a year's suspension as a deterrant/punishment!! Too many innocents are still dying.
5. There needs to be a law that clearly states "People have a right to protect themselves & their families, so ENTER ANOTHER'S HOME AT OWN RISK!!" It should reduce tempation of b&e's or other criminal activity if a criminal knows that "they are fair game" once they cross that line.. (yes, and leave your average citizen's firearms alone-but that's a topic of its own)
Actually, i think the whole ------ system needs a wake-up call. If the government & laws continue to fail miserably, I would expect to see more "vigilanti - type" behavior surfacing.... | |
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Posted: 2/6/2007 6:19:53 PM | | Stop the bytchin' and get yourself elected. This thread is nothing more than a soapbox used by a group of people who have no motivation to do the work, only wanting to benefit from their narrow approach to life. If you don't vote, and the majority of Canadians under 65 don't, then don't complain that you get weak laws and watered down policies. Get yourself a membership in a party and do the work. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2007 6:35:05 PM | Well, let me think about this for a second...
1) YOA - 1 minor freebie (killings, maimings, theiving cars & ensuing wild police chases exempt) Everything else - goes on your permanent record.
2) Jail system - No more solitary confinement, No more minimum security, No maxiumum security... Everyone the same; if you've diddled little kids - well I guess ya shoulda thought of that before... And a few crooked politicians sharing cells with Bubba might just do some good 
3) Consequent sentences - not concurrent. Does it only bother me that Pickton will be out in less than 20 years? Eliminate the 3-4x bonus for "time served" while awaiting/during trial.
4) Customs - Lets make it workable... Yes we have international agreements to honour - but a >1000$ cites permit shouldn't be required for captive bred "pets". Same goes for phytosanitary certificates (not much cheaper).
5) Elections act - Fundraising... No more 8 year olds donating 5k$, No more corporate donations in the names of every staff member. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2007 6:35:58 PM |
- Pedestrian and bicycle fines for infractions should be tripled to match those of drivers
**** that, I had a cop try to give me $600 worth of fines for doing some circle wheelies for a guy at a bus stop... on a bicycle!! | |
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