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| Why do people try and live off of minimum wage?
Posted: 4/18/2005 1:28:46 PM | | BM: I give a person a chance to admit they're wrong though. I confront them with the truth. That's the diff, bud...and it's not just "you're a liar because you didn't say everything" or some weak premise like that. If I call you a liar, you'll KNOW what I'm calling you a liar about. | |
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| Why do people try and live off of minimum wage?
Posted: 4/18/2005 1:41:24 PM | Elwood... whatever. Rationalize things however you want. You make simple "You're a liar!   "
statements all the time. We have all seen it over and over. Here:
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Why do people try and live off of minimum wage?
Posted: 4/13/2005 7:06:22 PM
Watchman.... you're a liar.. again. Anyone can see what you're doing...
It's not just a mistake. You're covering up. You won't admit the truth. You're wrong. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2005 2:03:02 PM | Watchman said:
Let's say the tax base is 100 and we have 100 people in the country.
Top 50 people pay $99 (not 98 like you suggest, we have 100% of a tax base right?)
The bottom 50 people pay $1
This means that the top 50 people pay $1.98 each
This means the bottom 50 people pay $0.02 each
You're suggesting that the bottom 50 people pay 98 times what they pay now.
That would be 98 X .02 or $1.96 each.
$1.96 x 50 people equals $98.00
As you can clearly see, the bottom 50 people paying 98 times the 1% is still not as much as the top 50 people pay. The top 50 people pay $1.98 each.
Now what I am saying is that ALL 100 people pay $1.00 each.
and Elwood said:
Watchman: okay.. .so that means you'd have the bottom 50 people pay 50 times what they're paying.
Tell me that's workable now?
You see, Mr. Economics... the bottom 50 are paying more than 2% of their income in taxes NOW.. and 50 times that in most cases would be much more than they make...
So tell me again... sharpen your pencil..
You do this for a living you say?
Now BM... isn't it true that $1.00/ $.02 is 50?
so that would be 50 times the taxes they're paying now. Don't think Watchman didn't know this.. yet HE came back with:
Just say you're wrong elwood, it's ok everyone reading this thread knows it anyway.....sport...
I said I didn't want to confuse your simple mind with earnings curves in that example, for what would be very obvious reasons to everyone but yourself.
THEN, I called him a liar. It was obvious he wouldn't admit the fact. His hand was in the cookie jar and he tried to make ME look the fool.. so he got what he deserved. He lied.
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Posted: 4/18/2005 2:14:06 PM | Elwood, I clearly stated in that thread that I was using an EXAMPLE that did NOT have an earnings curve on it so the math would stay simple. You took ONE post out of context and omitted the part where I said it was an EXAMPLE with no curve.
You modified my posts and reorganized them to make a false statement and then you claimed it was what I said all along.
That is fraud...
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Posted: 4/18/2005 5:22:29 PM | Elwood
Your response and it's focus on bashing Bush pretty well illustrates my point. I didn't 'use Hitler to justify Bush', I simply showed how even monsters do somethings right, and Bush in no way qualifies to be a monster.
You say to my statement about mention of things Bush has done well not erasing those where he did not that "that's your point", but you go much further than that. You immediately attack anyone who suggests Bush might have done something positive as if your whole psyche rests on denying that Bush could ever do anything good.
The best example of my earlier post is your statement that a rational person "can disapprove of almost everything he's done" and that people who don't see him as evil are "either very uninformed or very ignorant". Apparently the only rational people in the world all agree with you, in fact you say it is the definition of rationality, to me it seems more like a break with reality.
It's possible that you never said exactly that "people who oppose increased welfare programs are not 'heartless **stards", but you have d*mn sure implied it, and you have used those words to say very similar things.
I can't believe you even said this one, "I don't think I ever said" that people who don't agree with me are "stupid, fascist, heartless bast*rds". You call people stupid almost every other post, you call anyone who backs Bush a fascist, and anyone who doesn't agree with your welfare ideas heartless, maybe the 'bast*rd' was my add-on, although it has been implied as well.
I don't like people saying I lied when I didn't. I also don't like people insulting me for where I live or how I think.
If I think something is wrong, I'll say it's wrong. If you prove ME wrong, I'll say it's wrong.... but prove it first. Don't go "summing up" with "he's a liar."
You lie all the time, whether it's outright, a half-truth or taking a point out-of-context, and many folks have pointed these items out to you. Except, when we do it you NEVER admit you were wrong, you argue over technicalities, change the subject or deride your confronter's intelligence, anything but say I WAS WRONG.
Nobody cares how you live, and nobody wants to stop you from thinking the way you do, but when that includes the "I'm right and anyone who can't see that is 'very uninformed or very ignorant'" then you can certainly expect to be attacked.
Lastly, as far as calling folks liars, you wear the crown on that bubba, that and using that tired LOL to show derision. You want people to play nice, quit acting like everybody but you is a f*cking idiot. Neither one of us has a corner on brains, but at least I admit that.
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Posted: 4/18/2005 5:32:40 PM | | I am wrong all the time. I like to think I readily admit it when some one shows me my errors. Elwood, sometimes you make very good points, but there always stuffed between your anger, and your desire stick to your guns no matter what. On this thread alone I've probably changed how I think about the economics of wage earners about two or three times. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2005 9:41:21 AM | That is what I am saying equal taxation for everyone!
The Rich keep abusing the system for millions, while people complain about the few thousand lost at the bottom.
Changes in Average After-Tax Income by
Income Group, 1979-2002
(in 2002 dollars)
Income Category 1979 2002 Percent-Change Dollar-Change
Lowest fifth $13,200 $13,800 4.5% $600
Second fifth $26,700 $29,900 12.0% $3,200
Middle fifth $38,000 $43,700 15.0% $5,700
Fourth fifth $49,800 $61,700 23.9% $11,900
Top fifth $87,700 $130,000 48.2% $42,300
Top 1 Percent $298,900 $631,700 111.3% $332,800
23% for you and I while they got 111%.
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Posted: 4/19/2005 9:52:01 AM | I am saying ONE TAX STRUCTURE for everyone. And I suggest you look up the difference between a "Wage Tax" and "Income Tax". What we have NOW is a WAGE TAX (yes they call it Income Tax to confuse the issue).
The Rich do not make WAGES and are allowed many ways to differ their Income thus avoiding paying the taxes that they really should. | |
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| Why do people try and live off of minimum wage?
Posted: 4/19/2005 9:56:54 AM | MajMike: typical Neocon tactic. Whenever the subject of lies or liar comes up, you guys lie louder and longer...this time it's about me being a liar...
It's a life script for you. Feel sorry for you that you have to live up to it. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2005 10:01:44 AM |
The Rich do not make WAGES and are allowed many ways to differ their Income thus avoiding paying the taxes that they really should.
There is a serious flaw in your idea trewq;
The top 5% of taxpayers payed 53.8% of all taxes, but made only 30.6% of all income. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2005 10:03:45 AM | | I don't see that as equal. If you want to give everyone the same rate (say 33%), then the poor will be paying a lot more, and the rich will be paying a lot less. THAT's equal taxation. | |
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| Why do people try and live off of minimum wage?
Posted: 4/19/2005 10:09:33 AM | | But they own 80%, thus should be paying 80%(and again we have been through this before). This is my point about the misrepresentation of the term "Income Tax". It is not an Income Tax they only call it that to confuse. Just like changing the name of the War Department to the Defense Department, or thou shall not kill to thou shall not murder, it is done to confuse you as to the reality of what is going on. | |
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| Why do people try and live off of minimum wage?
Posted: 4/19/2005 10:11:52 AM |
The top 5% of taxpayers payed 53.8% of all taxes, but made only 30.6% of all income
So what! Let's just call this the price you have to pay to own a couple of million dollar houses and drive a freakin Bentley. If you are lucky or smart enough to become one of the top 5% of wage earners in the country, then how about paying a little back to the nation that gave you that opportunity? | |
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Posted: 4/19/2005 10:14:01 AM | But they own 80%,
Ok now this is just plain stupid.
They pay taxes on what they own when they buy it. Just how many times do you want to tax the same things?
Does that mean if I buy a million dollar home and pay the tax on it when I buy it, I have to pay the tax on that million dollars every year I own that home?
Get a grip, just because they can buy more than you doesn't mean they should pay for your inability to buy the same thing. Better yet, how about we just tax you on the value of your home and car every year even though you already paid the tax when you bought it?
So what! Let's just call this the price you have to pay to own a couple of million dollar houses and drive a freakin Bentley. If you are lucky or smart enough to become one of the top 5% of wage earners in the country, then how about paying a little back to the nation that gave you that opportunity?
The top 5% already pay more than HALF the tax revenue of the country, just how much more do you want them to pay for your inability to pay more tax? | |
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