| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/10/2007 1:08:26 AM | | Not that I condone violence in any way but I know some people who go out of their way to make a scene and make our lives miserable when they drink.... Some are good, some are the caves and creavasses of the new land. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/10/2007 1:11:54 AM | | Being drunk is NO excuse for any unacceptable behavior, and if someone is using alcohol as an excuse, they have more problems than just their temper. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/10/2007 1:19:35 AM | A drunk is inherently an irresponsible person. Asking them to be responsible is a bit of an oxymoron. It's not the violence that's the crux of the problem--because it's just a by-product. It's the excessive drinking that's the problem. Here. Have a beer! | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/10/2007 11:55:41 PM | Wish you had been the policeman on my case.
Love and hugs and dont ever change.
Whoever wins your heart is one lucky girl
Loz | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/11/2007 12:51:32 AM | | Hmmmm, only came close once, and that was only because the silly ditzy kept trying to stab me, so my tempter did get uo there. But no I didn't and the only difference alcohol would have made is I might have needed a few stitches instead of a long walk to cool off before I went back for the rest of my stuff. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/11/2007 1:13:18 AM | First I don't drink a drop, but being drunk is and excuse! Why? Because the person has consumed so much alcohol into their system it has replaced the oxygen to their brain ( or whatever happens) and now the person is not in their natural mental state. They may do bad things when they're drunk. They may hit, cuss or drive and have a wreck, but how can they really be responisble for what they do if they're in a mind alterted state. If they've drank beyond some limit where they're mind is not thinking clear enough, how can they be responsible for what they're doing? I don't think they really can be. What they can be responsible for is getting drunk in the first place. Does this make any sense?
We have all heard of temporary insanity- your not responsible for what you do because your mind is in an altered state. I think its the same thing when your drunk. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/11/2007 1:25:38 AM | Thermo especially since you yourself don't drink I have to call BS.
You are legally responsible to know enough NOT to drive when you are pissed, therefore you should also know that violence carries consequenses.
Let me rephase that, I will agree that alcohol is an "excuse" and that is all it is. A cop out on accountability, an excuse ok, a reason or justification, not a chance in hell. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/11/2007 6:27:33 AM | No being drunk isn't an excuse and if someone cannot control themselves when drinking enough to respect the people around them, then they shouldn't drink.
More times then not, Abusive guys will hit the first time while intoxicated, but then there comes a time that they do it sober or drunk. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 4/11/2007 11:16:08 AM | | My ex boyfriend came home drunk one day and decided to beat on me. I packed what my car could hold, left everything else behind and was gone the same day. Never looked back. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 7:53:40 AM | | NO IT'S NOT, AND YES IT IS A SOBBER MAN OR WOMAN THOUGHT. YOU ARE VERY CORRECT IN WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS MATTER. I WOULD GO ONE STEP FUTHER AND SAY DON'T REEVALUATE ,GET OUT !!!!!!!AND DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,THANKS FOR LISTEN.SOBER FOR 11 YEARS.FRED | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 8:15:11 AM | | there is never any excuse for a man to lay a hand on a woman in my book! | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 9:02:56 AM |
Being drunk is never an excuse for anything.
Maybe to get a tattoo, but never for violence.
End of discussion. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 9:12:03 AM | Alcohol does affect our senses/thinking processes. HOWEVER, I doubt that it is the source of someone hitting/attacking another person. Not only may they have addiction issues, they have control issues- to say the least.
This is called denial. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 10:25:08 AM | | No excuse at all.....since I don't drink I'm sure I don't "understand". | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 10:40:26 AM |
Being drunk is never an excuse for anything. End of debate in my humble opinion.
co-sign. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:02:31 AM | dearest OP
i have not hit a woman. but then, i am not an abuser, nor a man. but, i have been hit by an abusive alcoholic (now ex) husband.
the answer to your question isnt cut and dry, its a rather complex one. firstly, the definition of the word EXCUSE is "to seek or remove the blame from".
ever hear the term "poor excuse"? being drunk, being under stress, being upset, had a bad day at work, << these are all excuses, and all of them are poor. there is no good excuse for poor behavior. there are, however, sometimes valid reasons for ones actions.
most ppl use the term "exuse" to mean "valid reason", when in fact, the opposite is true. making excuses is an attempt to relieve oneself of blame for your actions.
however, ppl do have valid reasons for defending themselves. if you hit someone, you should expect for them to at least attempt to hit you back, or retaliate in one way or another. and yes, ladies, this means you too. if you hit your man, firstly , you are wrong, but you should be prepared for him to defend himself.
i dont condone violence against one another, but it is not violent to defend yourself. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:09:03 AM | OP...being intoxicated or not..hitting anybody is pretty lame in my book...however...in self defense..is a whole nother story...people have the right to protect themselfs...I always allow the first swing...after that it becomes a matter of self defence to me...at the same time...when it comes to the female gender theres ways of controlling getting the crap kicked out of you..its called ...as fast as you can...and watch out for flying objects(ash trys,tools,tree limbs...car rims)...being drunk is a cop out exscuse for being stupid!!! | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:16:46 AM | It's great that everyone is so "anti-violent" on here. I too do not believe in hitting or beating any person, drunk or not, for no apparent reason. However, I do disagree with most of you that anyone in control cannot be PROVOKED .... DRUNK OR NOT ... and YES, therecan be a point of how much a person can take and refrain from "hurting" the other person.
Let us not forget that there are people (females that I've seen) with emotional/mental problems of their own who do their damnedest to get a man to hit them ...it's like a sickness on their part ... either for the man to prove he loves her in some twisted way, or it is a result of an abusive upbringing, or they want to have blackmail power over them, or they are so needy of attention that they want to be able to cry "abuse". I don't pretend to understand why they do it ... it's a mystery to me.
More to the point, drunk or not, I would not judge some people on what they've done when provoked to the max... but even when they are 'under the influence'. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:27:25 AM | Neither gender should hit a partner. The only justifiable violence in a relationship (to me) is if one's partner is being attacked by someone and the partner comes to the rescue with violence to the offending person. Other than that, hitting either gender is stone age aggression. Liquor is never an excuse to the rest of the world; just to the drunk trying to use it.
Liz | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:31:10 AM | Thermo---Is being drunk, getting behind the wheel of car, and killing an innocent person or worse yet, a child, a good excuse? Drunken behavior, bad or funny, is just that; drunken behavior. No excuse for it except being dumb enough to allow oneself to get into that position.
And temporary insanity? Are you by chance a defense attorney? | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:33:00 AM | | Being drunk isn't an excuse for hitting someone, verballing abusing them or cheating on them. Violence in any relationship is bad, its grounds for cops, jail, charges and breaking up. If I was with someone that used that excuse for abusing me or whatever she'd be gone, no questions asked. By a person saying they were drunk it means that they don't want to take responsibity for their actions. Even though techically it is their repsonsibity/fault because they decided to drink, they know their limit, and I'm sure they know what they're like when they drink. In my eyes drinking is not an excuse for anything, its just an easy copout for people to use so they don't have to take responsibility for themselves and what they do. | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:39:04 AM | If there are "females" who "provoke" someone into hurting them, then I would say they do have a problem of self esteem. I sort of get that out of stormee-dee's post, but I had to really go out of my way to do so. Regardless, if you have a person in your life that ellicits that behavior in order to gain attention, negative or otherwise, it sounds like the one being provoked should walk out. Much better than being thrown in jail for the night because of domestic violence or assault and battery.
"More to the point, drunk or not, I would not judge some people on what they've done when provoked to the max... but even when they are 'under the influence'. "
So, if I read your statement correctly, being drunk and provoked by an emotional/mental female is reason for murder or manslaughter? I'll ask it to you, too. Are you a defense attorney? | |
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| Is being drunk an excuse?
Posted: 9/23/2007 11:43:59 AM | | Yeah, I'd say being drunk isn't really an excuse for anything. If you know being drunk is going to turn you into that kind of person, that might harm someone, I'd think it'd be smart to decide not to get that drunk at all. I can't even imagine ever laying a harmful hand on a woman, or anyone for that matter... but alcohol is no excuse. | |
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